Will Traditional Christmas Still Exist In 25 years?

[Malcolm]

What do you guys think? I mean like Christmas decorations, Tree with Angel on top, Christmas Eve putting cookies and milk out for Santa, Christmas Gifts, Families together...All the holidays and special events like Halloween are getting watered down every year because of Political Correctness and its a joke...So with Christmas being the main one..Do yous think it will be around then? with the same traditions?

[mrlee]

it better stay around.

why the fuck should we get rid of our celebrations just cause people who follow a different religion, who get taken in by our country, come in n start bossing us around?

They get money and a home given to them. Yet try to change our way of life.

If theres one thing that pisses me off about immigrants its when they do that.

Ungrateful bastards.

[SLCPUNK]

I've been working hard to turn it into a gay holiday.

Family friendly of course.

[The Catcher]

Yes. Thank God I don't live in The Politically Correct States Of America.

[mrlee]

Yes. Thank God I don't live in The Politically Correct States Of America.

lolz you think the states are bad?

come to the UK.

[CheapJon]

it'll be around, supermarkets and shit would never allow it to disappear

[The Catcher]

Yes. Thank God I don't live in The Politically Correct States Of America.

lolz you think the states are bad?

come to the UK.

In that case, I don't think I'd like it much there either. I hate political correctness.
If certain politicians get it their way, in 25 years I'll have to apologize for my ethnicity and celebrate christian, jewish, muslim and buddhist holidays in order not to step on anyone's feelings.

[mrlee]

Yes. Thank God I don't live in The Politically Correct States Of America.

lolz you think the states are bad?

come to the UK.

In that case, I don't think I'd like it much there either. I hate political correctness.
If certain politicians get it their way, in 25 years I'll have to apologize for my ethnicity and celebrate christian, jewish, muslim and buddhist holidays in order not to step on anyone's feelings.

Lol that seems to be the case these days in most places.

Dont you know, over here we get complaints for celebrating St Georges day now because it offends the immigrants.

No mind, they can build their places of worship all over the place and not get a fucking whisper thrown at them over it.

[The Catcher]

Well I don't mind immigration as long as I get to keep my fucking identity and not seeing my country turn into the middle east. What is so fucking beyond comprehension is seeing politicians everywhere fall to their knees and obey every command the immigrants utter, scared to death of being accused of racism. Makes me sick to see the authorities treat immigrants like little kids while shitting on everyone else. It's actually an insult to the immigrants, as well as everyone else. What makes sense in any country is to treat everyone, immigrant or not, as equals, but the way they are reacting to immigrants only shows that they are scared of ethnic and religions minorities and don't consider them mature enough to be treated like regular people. Fuck politicians everywhere.

[mrlee]

I wouldnt have an issue with them practicing there ways here. If they didnt try to change other peoples ways because it doesnt correspond to there ways.

Its not just middle eastern immigrants.

The polish (they immigrate to the UK in strength) are just as bad and are one of the main contributors to the complaints about sporting the english red and white flag.

Not ALLl immigrants are like this. i mean one kid at my college is Hindu, but he still celebrates Christmas anyway to join in with the festivities....and milk his parents for presents.

See i dont mind that all. He doesnt complain, he doesnt have to join in. But he does for the fun of it. Thats cool/

Its a shame more dont think like him.

[Axl4Prez2004]

It's a silly question whose aim is to rile up the masses.  "My religion's under attack!" bullshit. 
No, Christmas is not going anywhere.
Nobody's taking your (or my) Christmas tree away.  Nobody's taking your angel (or my star) off the top of your tree.  Nobody's making your Christmas Eve cookies or my Christmas-time buckeyes illegal (though with all the ridiculous calories they should be!  ).
Thanksgiving turkeys, Halloween pumpkins, and Easter bunnies will be safe Malcolm.  Don't worry.
 

[mrlee]

praise the lord.

Save the Cookies.

[Mal Brossard]

Christmas will still be around because the religious right wants it around.  Religious holidays are alright by them, it's the non-religious, or those of religions they fear that they don't want around.

Like the pagan celebration of Halloween.  The religious right hates Halloween, which is why it has been getting the shaft and being made out to be way more dangerous than it ever has been or ever will be for the past 10 years or so.

[Izzy]

I don't think its existed for decades to be honest

[jarmo]

I don't think its existed for decades to be honest

Because you stole it!




/jarmo

[GeraldFord]

Yes, I think FOX NEWS expose "war on X-Mass" will save it!

[Bodhi]

Yes. Thank God I don't live in The Politically Correct States Of America.

god I hate how people look at us that way...because it is true... 

[IKnowWhereIAM]

If gay male couples, and the children they gave birth to, hanging hemp tote bags on the home fusion generating station, while their genetically improved pet panda bear plays piano and sings religion-neutral carols can be considered traditional, then I would have to say YES!  An we can blame it all on Obama, too! I have seen the future!

Christmas will still be around because the religious right wants it around.  Religious holidays are alright by them, it's the non-religious, or those of religions they fear that they don't want around.

Like the pagan celebration of Halloween.  The religious right hates Halloween, which is why it has been getting the shaft and being made out to be way more dangerous than it ever has been or ever will be for the past 10 years or so.

Dude...Christmas is a hybrid-holiday - The PAGANS, Norse, Saxons, Egyptians, etc - all celebrated a major 'holiday' (festival) near the Winter Solstice.  The Romans used their own ingenious method of combining just enough of everyone elses religion, to make forced conversion not-so-distasteful.  Besides, what the hell does fat-man-in-red-suit have to do with religion?  Get your pagan ass out there and enjoy! 

[freedom78]

Yes. Thank God I don't live in The Politically Correct States Of America.

god I hate how people look at us that way...because it is true... 

It's all too much PC shit.  The easily offended atheists think any religious displays are an affront to their existence, so they attack Christmas, Easter, etc.  The wingnut Christians are offended by other holidays, like Halloween which they think is Satanic (whilst ignoring the pagan roots of most Christmas traditions).  And all the while, people get more and more pissed off because the population gets larger but the fucking parking lots at the fucking malls stay the same size!  

I try to avoid the angry Christmas that is everyone fighting over shit and praying to commercialism, because it's depressing.  If you're not close family (spouse, sibling, parent, in-law) you get homemade candy from us for Christmas.  It's nice, personal, and people like it.  If you're close family, you get candy and some other gifts.  But I honestly look around and think "what the fuck do I even need?" when people ask me what I want.      

If gay male couples, and the children they gave birth to, hanging hemp tote bags on the home fusion generating station, while their genetically improved pet panda bear plays piano and sings religion-neutral carols can be considered traditional, then I would have to say YES!  An we can blame it all on Obama, too! I have seen the future!

That's the Christmas spirit for ya. 

[IKnowWhereIAM]

That's the Christmas spirit for ya. 

No better gift than the gift of laughter.   

Until 'they' come to my house with guns drawn, Christmas will be celebrated my way, in my home...it does bother me that people get all uptight and offended by people who go nuts with lights, and the lights fans who hate the baby jesus tents, and the rest of the BS...but I will still have my decorated tree (pagan), and tell my kids about Santa (another hybrid) until they are old enough to know I'm lying...and I will tell them the baby jesus/donkey tent story so when my neighbor puts that up they'll get it.  Christmas is just like every other Holiday, a great excuse to get together with family, and celebrate in whatever way you choose/for whatever reason you want/believe.

[polluxlm]

Define traditional Christmas.

It used to be a celebration for the Sun. Then Jesus took over, and now we have Santa Claus (how the fuck did they spin that one originally? Jesus gets abandoned for an old, fat, materialist white dude.).

It's just a mirror of society. As long as that changes, Christmas will do too. Hell, for all we know Santa takes a heart attack and is replaced by JP Morgan. The kind industrialist.

I think I might take bets on that one.

[Howard2k]

Define traditional Christmas.

It used to be a celebration for the Sun. Then Jesus took over, and now we have Santa Claus (how the fuck did they spin that one originally? Jesus gets abandoned for an old, fat, materialist white dude.).

It's just a mirror of society. As long as that changes, Christmas will do too. Hell, for all we know Santa takes a heart attack and is replaced by JP Morgan. The kind industrialist.

I think I might take bets on that one.

Bingo-ish.

Christmas today is not what it was 250 years ago.  It's constantly changing.   

[norway]

I mean like Christmas decorations, Tree with Angel on top, Christmas Eve putting cookies and milk out for Santa, Christmas Gifts, Families together...All the holidays and special events like Halloween are getting watered down every year because of Political Correctness and its a joke...

Christmas is traditionally a European thing and followed as Europeans settled elsewhere. A pagan festival.

It's the same with Halloween.

A lot of the old pagan traditions are christianisized or just practiced without people know why and what it means.

On the Yule-Eve (Julaften for Norwegians, Christmas-Eve for Americans) the gods came to the world from their spiritworld together with elves (which became christian angels) and so, the people made their homes as clean as possible, hanged gifts to them in the threes etc to make them feel welcome.

All the things like "Christmas (Yule) decorations, Tree with Angel (star) on top, Christmas Eve (Yule Eve) putting cookies and milk out for Santa (No, not him  ), Christmas Gifts, Families together" are originally pagan traditions with a mythological explanation, but now for most young people, it in only exist in a christian or modernised context.

So yes it's a joke. If I had it my way we'd burn all churces down on European soil.

It used to be a celebration for the Sun. Then Jesus took over, and now we have Santa Claus (how the fuck did they spin that one originally? Jesus gets abandoned for an old, fat, materialist white dude.).

He is Heimdallr, the white god or now better known as "Santa Claus". A very eliteist one

Only the good children get presents from "Santa Claus" on Yule Eve.

[polluxlm]

Only the good children get presents from "Santa Claus" on Yule Eve.

That's highly theoretical.

[SLCPUNK]

What would Jesus buy anyway?

[Dr. Blutarsky]

No better gift than the gift of laughter.   

Too bad that gift is only legal in Amsterdam! 

[Kasanova King]

Of course it will.  Silly question.

[GNRreunioneventually]

fuck being PC some one doesn't like some thing they ought to shut the fuck up and deal with it like a normal person instead of suing some one or some thing because some how it pisses you off



I myself will always have a Christmas tree i will always say and type "Christmas" not X mas. and if affends some one, they can go fuck them selves. plain and simple

[w.axl.rose]

damn ill be 46 in 25 years.

[IKnowWhereIAM]

fuck being PC some one doesn't like some thing they ought to shut the fuck up and deal with it like a normal person instead of suing some one or some thing because some how it pisses you off



I myself will always have a Christmas tree i will always say and type "Christmas" not X mas. and if affends some one, they can go fuck them selves. plain and simple

This is the way it should be...if everyone thought that way, everyone would be happy doing their own shit - and leave everyone else alone.  Don't worry about offending anyone...they can go f--k themselves anyway.   

[The Catcher]

I mean like Christmas decorations, Tree with Angel on top, Christmas Eve putting cookies and milk out for Santa, Christmas Gifts, Families together...All the holidays and special events like Halloween are getting watered down every year because of Political Correctness and its a joke...

Christmas is traditionally a European thing and followed as Europeans settled elsewhere. A pagan festival.

It's the same with Halloween.

A lot of the old pagan traditions are christianisized or just practiced without people know why and what it means.

On the Yule-Eve (Julaften for Norwegians, Christmas-Eve for Americans) the gods came to the world from their spiritworld together with elves (which became christian angels) and so, the people made their homes as clean as possible, hanged gifts to them in the threes etc to make them feel welcome.

All the things like "Christmas (Yule) decorations, Tree with Angel (star) on top, Christmas Eve (Yule Eve) putting cookies and milk out for Santa (No, not him  ), Christmas Gifts, Families together" are originally pagan traditions with a mythological explanation, but now for most young people, it in only exist in a christian or modernised context.

So yes it's a joke. If I had it my way we'd burn all churces down on European soil.

It used to be a celebration for the Sun. Then Jesus took over, and now we have Santa Claus (how the fuck did they spin that one originally? Jesus gets abandoned for an old, fat, materialist white dude.).

He is Heimdallr, the white god or now better known as "Santa Claus". A very eliteist one

Only the good children get presents from "Santa Claus" on Yule Eve.

Haha, damn straight! Great post!

[Jim Bob]

Christmas will always be jesus's birthday 

[The Catcher]

I always wondered how christians would deal with christmas if it somehow was discovered, as believed, that Jesus wasn't born on the 25th of December at all...

[polluxlm]

I always wondered how christians would deal with christmas if it somehow was discovered, as believed, that Jesus wasn't born on the 25th of December at all...

The same way they deal with his death falling on different dates every year.

[Bodhi]

I always wondered how christians would deal with christmas if it somehow was discovered, as believed, that Jesus wasn't born on the 25th of December at all...

Jesus wasn't born the 25th..he is believed to have been born sometime in August or September..."Christmas" was originally celebrated on December 25th to coincide with the winter solstice of the Julian calendar...he was not actually born on December 25th...it is when the birth is recognized and celebrated...

[polluxlm]

I always wondered how christians would deal with christmas if it somehow was discovered, as believed, that Jesus wasn't born on the 25th of December at all...

Jesus wasn't born the 25th..he is believed to have been born sometime in August or September..."Christmas" was originally celebrated on December 25th to coincide with the winter solstice of the Julian calendar...he was not actually born on December 25th...it is when the birth is recognized and celebrated...

Yes, we know that's the truth of the matter. Still we have a billion Christians going around thinking it actually is his birthday, so I think we can assume what has happened is a deliberate attempt to misguide and decieve.

For those interested in the development of Christianity, do a search on "Arrius Calpurnius Piso".

[norway]

I always wondered how christians would deal with christmas if it somehow was discovered, as believed, that Jesus wasn't born on the 25th of December at all...

Thats a gross generalisation of christians, or are they that bad in USA?

The fact is this is about people too easy accomodate to whatever is politically correct for the time.

so I think we can assume what has happened is a deliberate attempt to misguide and decieve.

Well duh...and can you say witchfire?

It has always assimilated itself into it's host-culture, the ideology remains the same.
I think it has a very degenerate philosophy for humans.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

damn ill be 46 in 25 years.

Stop your whining, I'll be 60 

[cineater]

damn ill be 46 in 25 years.

Stop your whining, I'll be 60 

I'll be dead

and Kohl's will still be trying to get my Christmas shopping.

[Henson]

It is quite clear that it isn't Jesus Christ's birthday.  The significance is in the symbolism, as in the solstice that someone else pointed out earlier.  Even the severely Orthodox recognize this as truth. Christmas is the birth of Light from Dark.
   You can trace the symbolism all the way back to the first recognized prophet Zoroaster, as he too had twelve disciples, a passion and a rebirth.  Or you can trace it through the Manicheans.
   Then, the Triple Conjunction Theory also alters basic testament belief of an exact time of the Christ's birth. As science, literature, and mythology all point to 7 b.c. as a more factual date.

[Axl4Prez2004]

forget 7 b.c.

7 BCE is even more "factual."   

[polluxlm]

forget 7 b.c.

7 BCE is even more "factual."   

That one's nuts too. Before the common era, what does that even mean? An era? Definitely reminds me of the stars and their cycles.

[Mama Kin]

Not only will it still be around, the stores and Christians will have finally turned into a 365 a year celebration.

Seriously, the stores have had Christmas shit out since fuckin' July.

[Jessica]

NO

According to surveys, in netherlands, france, uk and america, in 10 years time, the local population in schools will be massively outnumbered by black and arabic people.

Most of them are muslims nowadays.

So no, there will be mosques everywhere, women may be forced to wear a veil and xmas will be scrapped to please muslim masses.

[Jim]

NO

According to surveys

.... ?

[norway]

NO

According to surveys

.... ?

Consequence analysis and demographic statistics.

On one Sweedish school for example there is only one real Sweede so many emigrate, for now.
The children are the soldiers for some adults vision of multiethnic societies.

I guess I should say multi-cultural but I view it diferent, no offense.

It's silly, our commodified society.

[polluxlm]

It's silly, our commodified society.

Embrace the new world order, terrorist.