Will Traditional Christmas Still Exist In 25 years?

[polluxlm]

Define traditional Christmas.

It used to be a celebration for the Sun. Then Jesus took over, and now we have Santa Claus (how the fuck did they spin that one originally? Jesus gets abandoned for an old, fat, materialist white dude.).

It's just a mirror of society. As long as that changes, Christmas will do too. Hell, for all we know Santa takes a heart attack and is replaced by JP Morgan. The kind industrialist.

I think I might take bets on that one.

[Howard2k]

Define traditional Christmas.

It used to be a celebration for the Sun. Then Jesus took over, and now we have Santa Claus (how the fuck did they spin that one originally? Jesus gets abandoned for an old, fat, materialist white dude.).

It's just a mirror of society. As long as that changes, Christmas will do too. Hell, for all we know Santa takes a heart attack and is replaced by JP Morgan. The kind industrialist.

I think I might take bets on that one.

Bingo-ish.

Christmas today is not what it was 250 years ago.  It's constantly changing.   

[norway]

I mean like Christmas decorations, Tree with Angel on top, Christmas Eve putting cookies and milk out for Santa, Christmas Gifts, Families together...All the holidays and special events like Halloween are getting watered down every year because of Political Correctness and its a joke...

Christmas is traditionally a European thing and followed as Europeans settled elsewhere. A pagan festival.

It's the same with Halloween.

A lot of the old pagan traditions are christianisized or just practiced without people know why and what it means.

On the Yule-Eve (Julaften for Norwegians, Christmas-Eve for Americans) the gods came to the world from their spiritworld together with elves (which became christian angels) and so, the people made their homes as clean as possible, hanged gifts to them in the threes etc to make them feel welcome.

All the things like "Christmas (Yule) decorations, Tree with Angel (star) on top, Christmas Eve (Yule Eve) putting cookies and milk out for Santa (No, not him  ), Christmas Gifts, Families together" are originally pagan traditions with a mythological explanation, but now for most young people, it in only exist in a christian or modernised context.

So yes it's a joke. If I had it my way we'd burn all churces down on European soil.

It used to be a celebration for the Sun. Then Jesus took over, and now we have Santa Claus (how the fuck did they spin that one originally? Jesus gets abandoned for an old, fat, materialist white dude.).

He is Heimdallr, the white god or now better known as "Santa Claus". A very eliteist one

Only the good children get presents from "Santa Claus" on Yule Eve.

[polluxlm]

Only the good children get presents from "Santa Claus" on Yule Eve.

That's highly theoretical.

[SLCPUNK]

What would Jesus buy anyway?

[Dr. Blutarsky]

No better gift than the gift of laughter.   

Too bad that gift is only legal in Amsterdam! 

[Kasanova King]

Of course it will.  Silly question.

[GNRreunioneventually]

fuck being PC some one doesn't like some thing they ought to shut the fuck up and deal with it like a normal person instead of suing some one or some thing because some how it pisses you off



I myself will always have a Christmas tree i will always say and type "Christmas" not X mas. and if affends some one, they can go fuck them selves. plain and simple

[w.axl.rose]

damn ill be 46 in 25 years.

[IKnowWhereIAM]

fuck being PC some one doesn't like some thing they ought to shut the fuck up and deal with it like a normal person instead of suing some one or some thing because some how it pisses you off



I myself will always have a Christmas tree i will always say and type "Christmas" not X mas. and if affends some one, they can go fuck them selves. plain and simple

This is the way it should be...if everyone thought that way, everyone would be happy doing their own shit - and leave everyone else alone.  Don't worry about offending anyone...they can go f--k themselves anyway.   

[The Catcher]

I mean like Christmas decorations, Tree with Angel on top, Christmas Eve putting cookies and milk out for Santa, Christmas Gifts, Families together...All the holidays and special events like Halloween are getting watered down every year because of Political Correctness and its a joke...

Christmas is traditionally a European thing and followed as Europeans settled elsewhere. A pagan festival.

It's the same with Halloween.

A lot of the old pagan traditions are christianisized or just practiced without people know why and what it means.

On the Yule-Eve (Julaften for Norwegians, Christmas-Eve for Americans) the gods came to the world from their spiritworld together with elves (which became christian angels) and so, the people made their homes as clean as possible, hanged gifts to them in the threes etc to make them feel welcome.

All the things like "Christmas (Yule) decorations, Tree with Angel (star) on top, Christmas Eve (Yule Eve) putting cookies and milk out for Santa (No, not him  ), Christmas Gifts, Families together" are originally pagan traditions with a mythological explanation, but now for most young people, it in only exist in a christian or modernised context.

So yes it's a joke. If I had it my way we'd burn all churces down on European soil.

It used to be a celebration for the Sun. Then Jesus took over, and now we have Santa Claus (how the fuck did they spin that one originally? Jesus gets abandoned for an old, fat, materialist white dude.).

He is Heimdallr, the white god or now better known as "Santa Claus". A very eliteist one

Only the good children get presents from "Santa Claus" on Yule Eve.

Haha, damn straight! Great post!

[Jim Bob]

Christmas will always be jesus's birthday 

[The Catcher]

I always wondered how christians would deal with christmas if it somehow was discovered, as believed, that Jesus wasn't born on the 25th of December at all...

[polluxlm]

I always wondered how christians would deal with christmas if it somehow was discovered, as believed, that Jesus wasn't born on the 25th of December at all...

The same way they deal with his death falling on different dates every year.

[Bodhi]

I always wondered how christians would deal with christmas if it somehow was discovered, as believed, that Jesus wasn't born on the 25th of December at all...

Jesus wasn't born the 25th..he is believed to have been born sometime in August or September..."Christmas" was originally celebrated on December 25th to coincide with the winter solstice of the Julian calendar...he was not actually born on December 25th...it is when the birth is recognized and celebrated...

[polluxlm]

I always wondered how christians would deal with christmas if it somehow was discovered, as believed, that Jesus wasn't born on the 25th of December at all...

Jesus wasn't born the 25th..he is believed to have been born sometime in August or September..."Christmas" was originally celebrated on December 25th to coincide with the winter solstice of the Julian calendar...he was not actually born on December 25th...it is when the birth is recognized and celebrated...

Yes, we know that's the truth of the matter. Still we have a billion Christians going around thinking it actually is his birthday, so I think we can assume what has happened is a deliberate attempt to misguide and decieve.

For those interested in the development of Christianity, do a search on "Arrius Calpurnius Piso".

[norway]

I always wondered how christians would deal with christmas if it somehow was discovered, as believed, that Jesus wasn't born on the 25th of December at all...

Thats a gross generalisation of christians, or are they that bad in USA?

The fact is this is about people too easy accomodate to whatever is politically correct for the time.

so I think we can assume what has happened is a deliberate attempt to misguide and decieve.

Well duh...and can you say witchfire?

It has always assimilated itself into it's host-culture, the ideology remains the same.
I think it has a very degenerate philosophy for humans.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

damn ill be 46 in 25 years.

Stop your whining, I'll be 60 

[cineater]

damn ill be 46 in 25 years.

Stop your whining, I'll be 60 

I'll be dead

and Kohl's will still be trying to get my Christmas shopping.

[Henson]

It is quite clear that it isn't Jesus Christ's birthday.  The significance is in the symbolism, as in the solstice that someone else pointed out earlier.  Even the severely Orthodox recognize this as truth. Christmas is the birth of Light from Dark.
   You can trace the symbolism all the way back to the first recognized prophet Zoroaster, as he too had twelve disciples, a passion and a rebirth.  Or you can trace it through the Manicheans.
   Then, the Triple Conjunction Theory also alters basic testament belief of an exact time of the Christ's birth. As science, literature, and mythology all point to 7 b.c. as a more factual date.