7/10/06 Greece FLACS and MP3's

[EFISH]

Done... ENJOY.
DISC 1
Intro--http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Z42DTTRA
Welcome To The Jungle--http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JBR1ZKOC
Its So Easy--http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7ZJ9IB0Q
Mr. Brownstone--http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Q3L99OPZ
Live And Let Die--http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2HXQ6Q5N
Robin Fink Solo+Sweet Child O' Mine--http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ASSSIVEJ
Knockin' On Heavens Door-- http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LRM03YVH
Band Jam--http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WAIEAU68
Dizzy Piano Solo (Ziggy Stardust)--http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9KIJFRIO
The Blues--http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ULZRBN8R
Axl Talking/Band Jam 2--http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6G8WBJ1J
You Could Be Mine--http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8O2KFNL0
Light My Fire--http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZOTSFLB0
Richard Fortus & Robin Finck Guitar Solo (Beautiful)--http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FFKOXXVU
Out Ta Get Me--http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FFPVZYGQ

DISC 2
November Rain (Inc. Asshole Song)--http://www.megaupload.com/?d=M5SF5OBF
Better--http://www.megaupload.com/?d=G8J1XPT1
Bumblefoot Solo (Don't Cry)--http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EP7AIT4L
Madagascar--http://www.megaupload.com/?d=91IHISNT
My Michelle--http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6IE99I0G
Patience W/ Izzy--http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QWVC19AF
Nightrain W/ Izzy-- http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KNLK0GN4
Paradise CIty W? Izzy--http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FTOB22N0
Outro-- http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YKQXJ21D
FULL SHOW IN HIGH QUALITY MP3---http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UGWFYM11

[baldek]

Thanx man the other mp3 version posted here was a mess
 

[EFISH]

No problem. and this version rocks. the sound is awesome.

I'm also in the process of uploading each separate video to youtube so people who couldnt download it can atleast watch it

Watch it here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKgYEfKZC8g and then click my other videos to see the rest as i upload it.

[chad_er33]

thanks.  i sent you a pm as well.  let me know what you think.

[Gaymo, the Hobbit]

transferring it from a divx video still makes it lossy

[zombux]

transferring it from a divx video still makes it lossy

exactly, this is nonsense.

[blueheart]

megaupload doesn t work for Greece. it has never available slots 

[zombux]

megaupload doesn t work for Greece. it has never available slots?

they changed their policy recently, seems there are no slots at all for our countries. fuck that

[Pandora]

transferring it from a divx video still makes it lossy

Exactly. The audio part of a divx is made of mp3. So it's exactly the same thing as if you were uploading mp3s.

[timebomb]

thx

[EFISH]

Ok guys.. basically I am putting the video through a program. Making each video the lentgh of each song and using the "clean extra noise" button to make it clearer.  I convert to wav and then to FLAC. Trust me.. You cant even go straight to mp3 so, Im going to have to go from the FLACs to the MP3s when i make the mp3 of this bootleg... and trust me it loses quality. So, if you care about quality, take the flacs

Also, update... Disc 1 is uploaded. On with disc 2 tonight...

[blueheart]

could please someone upload it on yousendit or rapidshare 

[Pandora]

Ok guys.. basically I am putting the video through a program. Making each video the lentgh of each song and using the "clean extra noise" button to make it clearer.  I convert to wav and then to FLAC. Trust me.. You cant even go straight to mp3 so, Im going to have to go from the FLACs to the MP3s when i make the mp3 of this bootleg... and trust me it loses quality.

All depends on the bitrate you choose for the mp3. In the end, the FLAC will be nowhere near a WAV, because it's an mp3 to start with. It's just impossible, you can be sure of that.  So in short,  if you extracted it as an mp3 with excellent bitrate, say 320 Kbits, or even 192 Kbits, it would sound exactly like your FLAC.
Sorry if I come across like an ass, but it's a technical matter I care a lot about.

[Tomorrows]

Ok guys.. basically I am putting the video through a program. Making each video the lentgh of each song and using the "clean extra noise" button to make it clearer.  I convert to wav and then to FLAC. Trust me.. You cant even go straight to mp3 so, Im going to have to go from the FLACs to the MP3s when i make the mp3 of this bootleg... and trust me it loses quality. So, if you care about quality, take the flacs

Also, update... Disc 1 is uploaded. On with disc 2 tonight...

It would be worse quality because its already compressed in the DIVX so you dont want to compress it again into mp3. Itll sound awful - it does in similar cases like when DVD sound is ripped to mp3.

You did the right thing. A DIVX audio extraction tool would be the best thing to use though because that wouldnt recompress the sound.

[*zoe*]

megaupload doesn t work for Greece. it has never available slots

Just keep trying and there will be available slots.Last week I wanted to download a song.It took me 30 minutes to find available slot but at least I downloaded the song. 

[zombux]

Ok guys.. basically I am putting the video through a program. Making each video the lentgh of each song and using the "clean extra noise" button to make it clearer.? I convert to wav and then to FLAC. Trust me.. You cant even go straight to mp3 so, Im going to have to go from the FLACs to the MP3s when i make the mp3 of this bootleg... and trust me it loses quality.

All depends on the bitrate you choose for the mp3. In the end, the FLAC will be nowhere near a WAV, because it's an mp3 to start with. It's just impossible, you can be sure of that.? So in short,? if you extracted it as an mp3 with excellent bitrate, say 320 Kbits, or even 192 Kbits, it would sound exactly like your FLAC.
Sorry if I come across like an ass, but it's a technical matter I care a lot about.

I can confirm it. the quality was already lost during DivX compression

[blueheart]

megaupload doesn t work for Greece. it has never available slots

Just keep trying and there will be available slots.Last week I wanted to download a song.It took me 30 minutes to find available slot but at least I downloaded the song.?

I keep trying but there are only 50 slots available for Greece
I don t think I will ever find any available for me 

[estranged.1098]

All depends on the bitrate you choose for the mp3. In the end, the FLAC will be nowhere near a WAV, because it's an mp3 to start with. It's just impossible, you can be sure of that.  So in short,  if you extracted it as an mp3 with excellent bitrate, say 320 Kbits, or even 192 Kbits, it would sound exactly like your FLAC.
Sorry if I come across like an ass, but it's a technical matter I care a lot about.

FLAC is nothing like an mp3, the compression is lossless (pretty much like when you compress using ZIP, except that FLAC is optimized for audio while ZIP isn't). For that reason you don't lose quality when you convert from WAV to FLAC.

[EFISH]

Pandora just said that when you from original recording of the video to DIVX, the quality on the divx goes to mp3... which i knew that..

But what I didnt make clear was that I had to clean the audio and then convert to wave and then to FLAC. I couldn't go straight to mp3 anyway. So the lossless of this show is the FLAC and going to mp3 will lose quality as you will all see, if you decide to download the mp3's of this show I'll post tonight.

Also, working on disc 2 as soon as i get home.

Hope that cleared it up for everyone. enjoy this.

[Pandora]

FLAC is nothing like an mp3, the compression is lossless (pretty much like when you compress using ZIP, except that FLAC is optimized for audio while ZIP isn't). For that reason you don't lose quality when you convert from WAV to FLAC.

Well I know what FLAC is, thank you. I am not talking about FLAC, I'm saying that the audio part of a divx is lossy by nature (usually mp3). That is a fact. So converting it to WAV or FLAC or any other format won't make it any better.

But what I didnt make clear was that I had to clean the audio and then convert to wave and then to FLAC. I couldn't go straight to mp3 anyway. So the lossless of this show is the FLAC and going to mp3 will lose quality as you will all see, if you decide to download the mp3's of this show I'll post tonight.

I think I still haven't made myself clear    Converting it to FLAC won't make it better, it just doesn't work like that. Whatever the program you use, you could have converted your WAV into an mp3 (a good quality one), and the result would have been the same because the source is already lossy. Try converting your WAV into a 320 kbits mp3, and you will hear absolutely no difference. Bitrate is the key word here. Bitrate, I insist, not format.
I hope it's clear now. If not, I give up 

[EFISH]

OK.. i here ya. 

I'll keep doing the FLACs becasue i mean, ive done half the show already, but when i convert the wave's to mp3 ill make it the best quality mp3 so if you want.. you can just wait for that.

[estranged.1098]

FLAC is nothing like an mp3, the compression is lossless (pretty much like when you compress using ZIP, except that FLAC is optimized for audio while ZIP isn't). For that reason you don't lose quality when you convert from WAV to FLAC.

Well I know what FLAC is, thank you. I am not talking about FLAC, I'm saying that the audio part of a divx is lossy by nature (usually mp3). That is a fact. So converting it to WAV or FLAC or any other format won't make it any better.

I misunderstood you, but I still don't agree with something.

The audio on divx is lossy, but if you rip that to WAV and then to a lossy format (like mp3 or ogg vorbis, my favorite) you will lose quality from the original recording. Like Tomorrows posted the best thing to do would be extract the compressed audio from the file, but if you can't do that flacs are still the best option imo.

[bucketheadfan]

please share in yousent it or rapidshare 

[chad_er33]

i keep getting told "download limit exceeded"  what should i be doing?

[EFISH]

because with megaupload you can only download one file at a time.. unless you pay extra. so try d/ling one at a time 

(uploading more right now)

[chad_er33]

that's what i was doing but it seems to be working now

[imsorry]

Thanks fish

[chad_er33]

now it's not working again.  i am only doing one at a time.   

[chad_er33]

only cd 2 to go.....hopefully.

[*zoe*]

megaupload doesn t work for Greece. it has never available slots

Just keep trying and there will be available slots.Last week I wanted to download a song.It took me 30 minutes to find available slot but at least I downloaded the song. 

I keep trying but there are only 50 slots available for Greece
I don t think I will ever find any available for me

Yeah it seems that I can't find available slot too.I was trying for about an hour yesterday but nothing...

[Pandora]

The audio on divx is lossy, but if you rip that to WAV and then to a lossy format (like mp3 or ogg vorbis, my favorite) you will lose quality from the original recording.

Hmm, I'd be curious to hear that because that seems like a technical impossibility (assuming you convert the file to an mp3 with the same bitrate than in the divx). Got any samples for comparison?

[Tomorrows]

The audio on divx is lossy, but if you rip that to WAV and then to a lossy format (like mp3 or ogg vorbis, my favorite) you will lose quality from the original recording.

Hmm, I'd be curious to hear that because that seems like a technical impossibility (assuming you convert the file to an mp3 with the same bitrate than in the divx). Got any samples for comparison?

You can try it yourself with any DVD audio - try ripping a music DVD chapter into high quality mp3 and compare it against the DVD source. The drop in quality  is really blatant.

As far as I understand, DIVX audio is a compressed (and lossy) format but a different one to mp3. The conversion from DIVX audio -> mp3 involves a loss of quality just because of the file differences even if the bitrate numbers stay the same.

[Pandora]

You can try it yourself with any DVD audio - try ripping a music DVD chapter into high quality mp3 and compare it against the DVD source. The drop in quality  is really blatant.

Well of course, if you're using a DVD the drop is going to be blatant. But that's not what we're talking about here.

As far as I understand, DIVX audio is a compressed (and lossy) format but a different one to mp3. The conversion from DIVX audio -> mp3 involves a loss of quality just because of the file differences even if the bitrate numbers stay the same.

Divx is either made of mp3 or ogg (Ogg Vorbis) which is just as lossy. Try any analysis tool and they'll tell you that.

I would make a comparison myself if I knew how to rip a divx straight to WAV. EFISH, what program did you use if you don't mind me asking?

[bucketheadfan]

I cant download from megaupload... mexico have 500 slots free...

[EFISH]

Divx is either made of mp3 or ogg (Ogg Vorbis) which is just as lossy. Try any analysis tool and they'll tell you that.

I would make a comparison myself if I knew how to rip a divx straight to WAV. EFISH, what program did you use if you don't mind me asking?

I'm using a program called Ulead VideoStudio10

its a trial version and i only have like 20 days left, but its a really awesome program, for editing audio, editing video, mixing stuff, making video
s.. basically anything u can think of

[bucketheadfan]

Divx is either made of mp3 or ogg (Ogg Vorbis) which is just as lossy. Try any analysis tool and they'll tell you that.

I would make a comparison myself if I knew how to rip a divx straight to WAV. EFISH, what program did you use if you don't mind me asking?

I'm using a program called Ulead VideoStudio10

its a trial version and i only have like 20 days left, but its a really awesome program, for editing audio, editing video, mixing stuff, making video
s.. basically anything u can think of

hey efish man reupload this show in yousendit or rapidshare pls

[estranged.1098]

Divx is either made of mp3 or ogg (Ogg Vorbis) which is just as lossy. Try any analysis tool and they'll tell you that.

The audio part on divx movies is lossy, but converting from one lossy format to another will hurt the audio quality even more.

If you can get the audio from the divx in its original form (ogg, mp3, ac3, etc) you won't lose any quality, but if there's encoding to a lossy format involved then you most likely will.

[Pandora]

The audio part on divx movies is lossy, but converting from one lossy format to another will hurt the audio quality even more.

Sorry to keep contradicting you, but you are not encoding from one lossy format to another. You're basically getting a pseudo-WAV that is actually an mp3, and then reverting it back to its real form.

I made a comparison with an avi music video I had, using one of my programs, and guess what? No difference whatsoever, which of course, only makes sense.....

[EFISH]

HAha, well im uploading the MP3's right now.. high quality.. if you care to download them, you can compare for youself

until then....

[EFISH]

check the first post of this thread to download this full show in MP3 format (320kpbs).

well, heres the link again, anyway...

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UGWFYM11

[Blank]

Thanks for doing all the work of extracting and posting the flacs.
 

[31illusions]

hey, i am downloading these FLAC files. can someone tell me how i open .FLAC? do i need to download a program like winrar? please help.  i'm confused.  thanks! 

[EFISH]

i beleive its flacfrontend.com

if not, just type in FLAC codec   on google or on download.com and u shuld find it without a problem

[rossco]

thank you for these ! sounds good

anychance anyone got a audio cover for this yet?

[estranged.1098]

The audio part on divx movies is lossy, but converting from one lossy format to another will hurt the audio quality even more.

Sorry to keep contradicting you, but you are not encoding from one lossy format to another. You're basically getting a pseudo-WAV that is actually an mp3, and then reverting it back to its real form.

I made a comparison with an avi music video I had, using one of my programs, and guess what? No difference whatsoever, which of course, only makes sense.....

Stop apologizing. 

If the audio on the Divx is mp3 (it could also be Ogg, divx ;-) audio, AC3) then it's fine. I don't know how the mp3 algorithm works but if you rip to mp3, then to wav, then back to mp3 at the same bitrate I don't think you'll lose much quality. But like I said, if the original audio was AC3 for example, the quality on the mp3's will not be as good as the flacs.

[Pandora]

But like I said, if the original audio was AC3 for example, the quality on the mp3's will not be as good as the flacs.

I agree, but since it's not the case here, my reasoning still stands, and the term "lossless" is inappropriate.....

[estebanf]

Can anyone re-upload the ''outro'' from this concert (FLAC)? That's the only file not working.

Thanks in advance.

[bucketheadfan]

Can anyone re-upload the ''outro'' from this concert (FLAC)? That's the only file not working.

Thanks in advance.

hey esteban si lo bajaste te lo cambio

hey I need this show pls tradee

[EFISH]

yeah estaban ill do that now.. check the first post in a couple minutes


edit: i just sucesfuly redownloaded the outro.. whats the problem?

[estebanf]

yeah estaban ill do that now.. check the first post in a couple minutes


edit: i just sucesfuly redownloaded the outro.. whats the problem?

thanks dude, when I wanted to download that file, an error ocurred in Megaupload. Luckily, it was a light file!

Now it's working, do not know what happened yesterday.

thank you for all your efforts EFISH! 

[EFISH]

Some people on this board and others were having problems downloading the Outro.. so i fixed up the link on the first post... if you need it, you can grab that now


hope everyone enjoys this cool show

[jazjme]

AWesome , thanks , its so cool listening to all these shows!

[bigbri]

Thanks for the work on this show! From what I've heard, it sounds good! Much appreciated.