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« on: November 05, 2006, 08:54:16 PM »

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/ousted-evangelist-confesses-to/20061102182309990027?ncid=NWS00010000000001

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (Nov. 5) - Saying he was a "deceiver and liar" who had given into his dark side, the Rev. Ted Haggard confessed to sexual immorality Sunday in a letter read from the pulpit of the megachurch he founded.
   
The disgraced former president of the National Evangelical Association, which represents 30 million evangelical Christians, said "because of pride, I began deceiving those I love the most because I didn't want to hurt or disappoint them."

In a letter that was read to the congregation of the New Life Church by another clergyman, Haggard apologized for his acts and requested forgiveness. Neither Haggard nor his wife, Gayle, attended.

"I am so sorry for the circumstances that have caused shame and embarrassment for all of you," he said, adding that he had confused the situation by giving inconsistent remarks to reporters denying the scandal.

"The fact is I am guilty of sexual immorality. And I take responsibility for the entire problem. I am a deceiver and a liar. There's a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I have been warring against it for all of my adult life," he said.

Haggard resigned last week as NEA president, a post from which he held sway in Washington and condemned homosexuality, after a man claimed to have had drug-fueled homosexual trysts with him. Haggard also placed himself on administrative leave from the New Life Church, which has 14,000 members, but its independent Overseer Board fired him on Saturday.

In his letter, Haggard said "the accusations made against me are not all true but enough of them are that I was appropriately removed from my church leadership position."

He did not give details on which accusations were true.

As the letter from Haggard and another from his wife were read at the first morning service, some people in the standing-room only crowd in the 8,000-seat auditorium wiped away tears and put their arms around each other. Gayle Haggard promised to remain with her husband, and the audience laughed when she said they no longer had to worry about her marriage being so perfect she couldn't relate to them.

At least one national evangelical leader saw the confession as a possible opening for better relations between gay activists and evangelicals. "There is something good, believe it or not, that could come out of this. My hope and prayer is that this whole tawdry affair will lessen some of the vitriol that has gone on between gay rights activists and evangelicals," said Rich Cizik, vice president of the NEA.

"I had always expected him to do the right thing. God bless him," Cizik added.

Ryan Price and his finance, Karen Geyer, of Colorado Springs, also were impressed. "It seemed genuine - from the heart. It's unfortunate but it happens," said Geyer. "He's reaching out and asking for forgiveness," said Price.

Jessa Schreiber, a Christian therapist from Hamilton, Ohio, who also attended the service, said the timing was good because the whole world was watching because of the Tuesday elections. "I think God ordained this time to show the love of Christians for one another and above all his love for us and the need for the savior," she said.

The Haggard letter was read to the church by the Rev. Larry Stockstill, senior pastor of Bethany World Prayer Center in Baker, La., and a member of the board that fired him.

Youngsters were sent out of the room before elders began speaking about the church crisis.

"Worshippers are always challenged by crisis. And when tragedy and crisis strikes it is at that moment that you truly decide if you are a worshipper of the most high god. And today as the worship pastor of this church I am very proud of you," said the Rev. Ross Parsley, who stepped in for Haggard.

"I am so grateful for the government system in place here at this church. ... The speed with which things were dealt with this week has been a testimony to the godliness, to the integrity and authority of the overseers of the board of this church," he said.

Haggard, 50, had acknowledged on Friday that he paid Mike Jones of Denver for a massage and for methamphetamine, but said he did not have sex with him and did not take the drug.

The Overseer Board, made up of clergy from various churches, used stronger language.

"Our investigation and Pastor Haggard's public statements have proven without a doubt that he has committed sexually immoral conduct," the board said in a statement.

The NEA, representing 30 million evangelicals, named the Rev. Leith Anderson, senior pastor of Wooddale Church in Eden Prairie, Minn., as its interim president.

Jones said in a telephone interview Sunday: "I am sad for him and his family. I know this is a tough day for him also. I wish him well. I wish his family well. My intent was never to destroy his family. My intent was to expose a hypocrite.

"I hope the healing process can start. I welcome his request for forgiveness for me."

Haggard's situation is a disappointment to Christian conservatives, whom President Bush and other Republicans are courting heavily in the run-up to Tuesday's election.

Many were already disheartened with the president and the Republican-controlled Congress over their failure to deliver big gains on social issues even before the congressional page scandal involving former Rep. Mark Foley.

Haggard, who had been president of the evangelical association since 2003, has participated in conference calls with White House staffers and lobbied Congress last year on Supreme Court nominees.

Haggard founded New Life in the mid-1980s and held its first services in the basement of his Colorado Springs home.

Jones, who said he is gay, said he was upset when he discovered who Haggard was and found out that New Life had publicly opposed same-sex marriage - a key issue in Colorado, with a pair of issues on Tuesday's ballot.

Associated Press reporter Robert Weller in Denver contributed to this report.

11/05/06 17:52 EST

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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2006, 09:36:48 PM »

This saddens me more then anything else.  Its a shame the guy just couldn't be himself AND still be seen as a "good christian".  I'd gaurantee the drug use was to deal with the fact he is gay.

Its just sad that to some people being gay is equal to being a sinner.  I would think the liars and murders of the world deserve that label.
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2006, 09:38:58 PM »

Why dont we just smear him and try to make his life as worse as possible?
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2006, 11:04:56 PM »

Why dont we just smear him and try to make his life as worse as possible?

What the hell do you think I have been doing?

hahaha, keep up!

He's a lying sack of shit who actually did his best to trample to the rights of homosexuals in this country. All while doing crank and some hustler boy. Give him a break?

Give me a break!

Edit: You would defend the hypocrite!  hihi

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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2006, 11:34:39 PM »

Why dont we just smear him and try to make his life as worse as possible?

Edit: You would defend the hypocrite!  hihi


why, you defend hypocrites on a daily basis!
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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2006, 11:36:17 PM »



why, you defend hypocrites on a daily basis!

I addressed you on that, and you did not reply.

Try again.
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2006, 12:22:32 AM »

im not defending him! To be all honest I had never even heard of the guy prior to this.
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2006, 02:53:58 AM »

im not defending him! To be all honest I had never even heard of the guy prior to this.

Stooge.
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2006, 02:57:05 AM »

im not defending him! To be all honest I had never even heard of the guy prior to this.

Stooge.

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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2006, 02:59:54 AM »



Insults smooth

It is all you are worth really.
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2006, 04:01:48 AM »

This saddens me more then anything else.  Its a shame the guy just couldn't be himself AND still be seen as a "good christian". 

blame the bible for that.

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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2006, 04:26:26 AM »

Bud Fox. Shut the fuck up if you really have nothing to add.

We've been allowing a few political threads here since people have been civilized, but it's posts like "Stooge" that'll get them banned again.
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2006, 07:10:13 AM »

this story tickled me. not quite up there with the limbaugh's of the world, but very funny.
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2006, 12:51:22 PM »

Bud Fox. Shut the fuck up if you really have nothing to add.

We've been allowing a few political threads here since people have been civilized, but it's posts like "Stooge" that'll get them banned again.

Show anything intelligent brody has posted. Show it. Fox certainly gives rationales that go way beyond "everyone else is doing it". But he gets nothing but horseshit lies, strawmen and finger pointing in return. The guy is a stooge, there is no way around it.
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2006, 12:56:43 PM »

this story tickled me. not quite up there with the limbaugh's of the world, but very funny.

Apparently the former Rev Haggard took that ?My Rod and My Staff shall Comfort Thee? a little to literally. That is one of the problems with inerrancy.
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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2006, 01:11:14 PM »

Bud Fox. The fact that Brody posts a lot of 'witty' one liners puts him on thin ice also. I was supposed to include him in the post this morning but was in a hurry. So Brody, you too might want to put some more content to some of your posts than "you defend hypocrites".

I didn't say he has posted anything intelligent. But insulting another member of this board is against the rules.

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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2006, 01:14:44 PM »



I didn't say he has posted anything intelligent. But insulting another member of this board is against the rules.



Fair enough.
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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2006, 06:07:46 PM »

Fired Evangelist Slams Gays in New Movie
Monday November 6 1:55 PM ET

The Rev. Ted Haggard has been fired amid allegations of gay sex and drug use, but the evangelical leader can still be seen at the height of his powers preaching to thousands and condemning homosexuality in the documentary "Jesus Camp."

In one scene of the film, which follows a group of children as they develop evangelical Christian beliefs, directors Heidi Ewing and Rachel Grady visit Haggard's 14,000-member New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colo. He tells the vast audience, "We don't have to debate about what we should think about homosexual activity. It's written in the Bible."

Then Haggard looks into the camera and says kiddingly: "I think I know what you did last night," drawing laughs from the crowd. "If you send me a thousand dollars, I won't tell your wife."

Later, another joke for the filmmakers: "If you use any of this, I'll sue you."

The married, 50-year-old father of five admitted in a letter read Sunday to his followers that he was "guilty of sexual immorality." He has yet to address specific claims by a male escort that Haggard paid him for sex over the past three years.

Haggard has acknowledged that he paid Mike Jones of Denver for a massage and for methamphetamine, but said he didn't have sex with Jones and didn't take the drug. He resigned last week as president of the National Association of Evangelicals, which represents 30 million people, and was removed Saturday as leader of his own church.

"Jesus Camp" is playing in several cities and expands to more on Friday and throughout the year. Ewing and Grady said that when they shot footage for the film at the New Life Church in October 2005, they were struck by how enraptured Haggard's followers looked.

"Pastor Ted, they were so proud of him. They thought he was hip, young, he didn't have that stodgy James Dobson feel," Ewing said Monday, referring to the Focus on the Family founder. "They all really adored him, that's the first thing I thought those people, those faces, they hung and took notes on every word he said I can't imagine what those people must be feeling."

Haggard has disputed the way he's portrayed in "Jesus Camp," saying on his Web site (in a posting that since has been removed) that the filmmakers shot for hours at his church and only used the parts in which he was playing with negative stereotypes.

"You can expect to learn as much about the Catholic Church from 'Nacho Libre' as you can learn about evangelicalism from 'Jesus Camp,'" he wrote. Ewing and Grady say Haggard is the only one who has complained about the way he was depicted in the film.

"Jesus Camp" also shows Haggard speaking to an aspiring young preacher named Levi, asking him whether people listen to him because he's a kid or because he has something to say. His advice: "Use your cute-kid thing until you're 30, and by then you'll have good content."

Grady said that when she first heard about the accusations against Haggard, "I was shocked but I was not surprised in any way because he did come across as somewhat of a hypocrite even in our movie in a smaller way, of course. He was so cynical in that exchange with that child in our movie, it was odd and it popped out."

Haggard also leads the audience in praying for President Bush to select a Supreme Court nominee who supports their beliefs (it would end up becoming Samuel Alito) and later brags about the rapid expansion of evangelicalism.

"It's got enough growth to essentially sway every election," Haggard says with a smile. "If the evangelicals vote, they determine the election."
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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2006, 06:23:54 PM »

 no^^^^^

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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2006, 06:35:36 PM »

no^^^^^

Some people are so confused...



Amen.


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