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Limbaugh Says Actor Fox Exaggerates Effects of Disease in Ads


By Daniela Deane
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, October 24, 2006; 4:42 PM

Conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh today attacked actor Michael J. Fox for inserting his halting voice into the U.S. Senate campaign in Missouri, suggesting Fox was "acting" in a commercial where he's shown shaking while endorsing the importance of stem cell research.

"He is exaggerating the effects of the disease," Limbaugh told listeners today, encouraging them to go online to watch Fox's commercial, which first aired Oct. 21 in St. Louis during a World Series game. "He's moving all around and shaking and it's purely an act."

In the commercial, Fox throws his support behind Democratic Missouri Senate candidate Claire McCaskill, who supports stem cell research, against Republican James M. Talent. Fox also taped similar ads for other Democratic candidates, including Benjamin L. Cardin in his Senate race against Republican Michael S. Steele in Maryland and Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle (D), who is seeking reelection.

The ads bear witness to the actor's unmistakable decline from Parkinson's, which the actor has suffered from for a long time, and harnesses that physical degeneration into a political message.

"What you do in Missouri matters to millions of Americans, Americans like me," Fox said in the television spot, which will continue airing throughout Missouri this week.

"This is the only time I've ever seen Michael J. Fox portray any of the symptoms of the disease he has," Limbaugh said. "He can barely control himself."

Limbaugh said Fox could "control himself enough to stay in the frame of the picture" and to keep "his eyes right on the . . . teleprompter. But his head and shoulders are moving all over the place."

"He is acting like his disease is deteriorating because Jim Talent opposes research that would help him get cured," Limbaugh said, adding that Talent only opposes "fetal stem cell research, but not adult."

"This is really shameless of Michael J. Fox," Limbaugh said. "Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting."
Fox, who gained fame for his roles in the "Family Ties" and "Spin City" television shows and "Back to the Future" movies, has long been open about his battle with Parkinson's and his support for the research that could lead to a treatment.
But in this ad he shows a noticeable degree of decline not widely seen in previous public appearances. His speech is clear but his head and body are jerky and unsteady.

Besides the ads, Fox has also made plans to appear at events for two Democrats, Sen. Robert Menendez of New Jersey and Tammy Duckworth, a candidate for Congress from Illinois.

"He wants to take on races and get involved in races that involve a pro stem cell candidate against an anti embryonic stem cell candidate," Fox publicist John Rogers said.

Cardin aides in Maryland said Fox contacted the campaign after seeing news accounts of Steele's position on the research. In February, Steele told members of a Baltimore Jewish group, "Look, you of all folks know what happens when people decide they want to experiment on human beings, when they want to take your life and use it as a tool."
He later apologized for the remark, which was interpreted as a comparison between embryonic stem cell research and Nazi experimentation.

Limbaugh is a friggin disgrace, I don't care what political party you belong to but anyone that listens to anything this vicodin and viagra popping idiot has to say is completely insane.

Seriously who the fuck takes Rush Limbaugh for anything more than a joke these days?? The guy is the biggest fucking hypocrite in his little news radio cult, a drug addict who puts down others and an all around fuckhead.? Between his pill obsession and Bill O'Reilly's sex obsession, how is it that people can still allow themselves to be duped by these assholes??

Ya know , I really want to rant, but thing is Limbaugh isn't worth my time!

His comments were really disgusting.  Fox responded with a lot of class.  It breaks my heart to see people suffer like that.  I won't turn this thread into a stem cell research debate, but how do you see someone like MJ Fox and not think that maybe we should be doing SOME research....  :(

What did MJF have to say about it?? I haven't seen his statement yet.? Yeah it's a fucked up situation.? Parkinson's is a really fucked up disease.? Perhaps that piece of shit Limbaugh has never seen Muhammad Ali recently....he's in really bad off shape.? MJF has had Parkinson's for quite some time now and the effects are generally going to get worse.? I believe he had the brain surgery treatment that helps the body to produce more dopamin to send to the brain, but even then it isn't a cure.? Meanwhile Rushy is comatosing on Viagra and painkillers and making money putting down homosexuals, blacks and disabled persons.?

Edit: also about this being the first time MJF showing symptoms, that's bullshit.? You can always notice the jerks and spasms when he talks.....perhaps Rush was sober enough to finally see that this time!  AND as for not taking his medication Rushy, I'm sure you'd be right there to scarf it down you disgusting piece of shit!

I dont know this Limbaugh guy - but that is an outrageous insult he has dealt to MJF and other sufferers of Parkinsons.  I've read interviews with MJF where he's had to delay public appearances because he was shaking too much. If this is the only time that Limbaugh has seen him suffering its probably because MJF has to pick and choose quite carefully how much public stuff he can do these days and is actually able to. 

to dismiss that as acting makes me furious.  totally sick.

Limbaugh's an AM radio "celebrity" with an extremely conservative talk show.  He was also an NFL commentator for about a week before he couldn't hestitate from bringing up race in a comment.  The guy is a piece of shit......he's made numerous statements about how drugs are destroying the country...then in 2003 the hypocrite is found to be a painkiller addict.  He fished doctors for years scoring prescriptions all over the country.  Then in 2006 he was detained in an airport for having a bottle of viagra (which was in his physicians name, not his) to do god only knows what with (perhaps call up the boys, Foley and Hastert, and go paging????).  Anyhow  the guy is a piece of shit and that's all there is to it.  Not worth wasting any more energry on.

I forget his exact words, but basically he made a joke and laughed it off. said something about how he "heard some comments were made" and something about his medication working really well today (but he was visibly suffering from the effects of parkinsons).  He just downplayed it, more or less implying that stupid comments like that are just not worth discussing.

The moment I saw the ad I knew some dumb ass conservative would say something like that. Just like how I knew some dumb ass conservative would say Katrina was Gods punishment for homosexuals.

limbaugh apologized to fox and said "i stand corrected" on the very next segment of his show.

his listeners called and told him he was incorrect - that fox does shake like that and it's not exaggerated.

i'm not standing up for this guy, but a fair and balanced reporter woud have mentioned this.

Yeah but a decent human being wouldn't have made those comments in the first place. 

Thank you.

How dare you steal the words out of my mouth.

There's no question Limbaugh is an idiot and that his comments were disgraceful.  I do, however, find some of the people's outrage on this thread ironic considering their viewpoints on other subjects.

You could never just say "Hey that Limbaugh is an ass."

You have to find another way to pick a fight huh?

Berkelely you are truly the most ridiculous person who posts in "the jungle".  I'm speechless at your last post, like SLC said, you can't just comment on the thread.  I think you have a crush on SLC, I really do, and you try to get his attention, but its just "bad attention".  :rofl:

No, I just can't stomach reading your outrage. ?You attack Limbaugh for his baseless vicious political attack on Fox, yet you condone, and even promote, arguments such as the United States inflicted 911 upon itself. ?I at least am consistent. ?Like yourself, I hate hypocrites. ?

See that is the point.

Nobody here is "outraged", we just think he is a right wing stooge.........which of course he is.

Why don't you just ask him out? ?Are you trying to get him to approve of you by constantly defending him? ?My post is absolutely reasonable. ?I said Limbaugh is an idiot. ?SLC can turnaround other people's posts in other subjects and argue that they are hypocrites because they support Iraq. ?Yet, I cannot point hypocrisy of the same kind. ?Why don't you read the posts and actually think instead of writing before you think.

Don't ask, don't tell.

limbaugh should have just criticized the add itself, which is filled with lies.

in the commercial, Fox accuses Talent of wanting to make stem cell research a crime, which is a lie.
 

You still don't see the hypocrisy? ?Limbaugh uses the same tactics that you do to undermine his oppoenents. ?You promote an argument that the United States inflicted 911 upon itself to undercut Bush, just as Limbaugh argues that Fox is faking his Parkisons to undermine him on stem cell.

"You're a towel"

"YOU'RE a towel"

haha thats what you sound like.

More strawman bullshit. I don't argue that the US inflicted 9-11. I do argue that the entire story has not been told and that there are inconsistencies in the "official" story. But you knew that already............wanna take me out to lunch now?   :-*

Ok. ::)  I had read some of your posts in the past, and I thought you were reasonable.  Your recent comments lead me to believe otherwise.  Maybe SLC will let you carry his jockstrap.

You create more strawmen then anyone in any of these threads, yet that is always your only response. 

We agree on Limbaugh.  At least that is gaining ground.

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Hahaha this one only took a page (no pun intended to the GOP party or Mark Foley) to get started.  :rofl: :peace:

Foley likes to thumb his pages I hear.................

Don't bother paying any attention to Limbaugh. ?Comments like these have always been his trademark and his pathetic way of keeping himself "relevant". ?So he needs to go off like this every once in a while. ?Do you really think this lowlife windbag would be the country's most popular political talk radio guy if he addressed issues purely on their merits?

My apologies for going off-tangent by addressing the thread topic. ?Please continue from where you all left off, anything is more interesting than Rush Limbaugh.

Of course it was wrong of him to say that... Nobody's argued that. The thread would've just died away after a few "this is horrible posts. but people again, had to drag the right wing, left wing shit into this and talk as if this was the actual viewpoint of the entire party. Plus there is the thing that he _did_ apologise. These guys are trying to get every edge they can, and we've seen how dirty they can play at the last presidential elections. So sometimes, there are going to be exaggerated comments from both sides.

It was stupid of him to say so, but he apologised. Everyone overreacts sometimes. I for one think it's ethically not the best of ideas to use a visibly sick person to drive political agendas. And I know he's doing it because he wants to. Still. People's votes and actions should be based on facts, not on political ads that tell 1 side of the tale and offer no objectivity what so ever.

A decent human being wouldn't have said it in the first place? Maybe true. But is a politically active person that tries everything to get his/her point across ever a decent person, is another question.


btw. I haven't seen the add nor Limbaughs comments on video, so this is all just my thoughts on the article and opinions in general.

People who wish to post about Fox's political adds and Limbaughs idiocy.. You've come to the right place. People who want to talk about iraq, rightwing leftwing or give any other bullshit reply (eg. HannaHat's last one)... go find another forum.

This is the only warning about getting back on topic.

nice post skeba  : ok:

i think using fox for political gain is a smart move by the dems. the ad is powerful.

i just don't know why they have to have him lie about the position of the republican opponents. it may hurt some of the impact. cause the reason the commercial works is that it's real life, not politics.

but once people realize there are lies, it makes the ad political.

I only saw an excerpt of the ad on CNN last night....anyone have a link to the real one?

Skeba, nice post indeed (even though you're not a towelie fan, hehe).  It'd be nice if we could stay on topic for once.

just check youtube - it's gotta be on there.

i can't wait to see the Republican commercial tonight which features celebrities against stem cell research.

hopefully it's 100% honest, unlike the Fox ad (which misled viewers).

this is a chance to clear up everyone's position; namely that
1. the bill Fox supports would make CLONING a constitutional right,
2. Talent does not wish to criminalize stem cell research,
3. he is against embyonic stem cell research.

Here is the ad of MJF:

http://claireonline.com/multimedia/ads/MichaelJFox.jsp

In fairness here is the response ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nguJQ_dRPXw

This YouTube video has both the MJF ad and some of Rush's radio commentary/supposed apology afterwards:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14pGY1P97L8

Radio archive of his commentary after the initial attack on MJF:

http://mfile.akamai.com/5020/wma/rushlimb.download.akamai.com/5020/clips/06/10/102306_5_fox.asx

Personally, I wish celebs/sports figures on both sides of the coin would just shut up and play ball games and/or make movies-tv shows. 

I think in the case of MJF and Christopher Reeves, Magic Johnson, Nancy Reagen etc.. its a little different b/c they help bring awareness to issues and they are issues that actually effects them, that they are personally dealing with.  But do I really care what Tim Robbins thinks?  Or what Kurt "JEEESSSSUSSSSS" Warner thinks?

Nope, not really. 

Oh, I totally agree, I was just putting it all out there so people could form their opinions.  I really care not what some chick from Everybody Loves Raymond thinks about stem cell research, to me her opinion is just as valid as mine or anyone else out there and that is what I find to be exploitation of status.  I do not have a problem with sufferers such as MJF backing an issue that affects them personally-

I just watched the response ad and I have to say.......wow...pretty pathetic. ?You guys talk about MJF using his illness to gain support for Stem Cell research.......OF COURSE HE DID. ?He and millions of others that suffer from diseases could highly benefit from the future advances that can be made. ?The reponse ad featured a bunch of people that have no reason to be on the commercial other than they're huge sports stars or tv/movie stars. ?Who gives a shit what Kurt Warner or the pitcher from the Cards thinks. ?Same with that Everybody Loves Raymond chick and the guy that played Jesus. ?
They're really overplaying the human cloning thing. ?The goddamn amendment isn't about cloning humans and all that Gattaca shit. ?It's about harvesting embryonic stem cells which is basically removing cells out of the embryo at a very early stage....master cells that can duplicate what other stem cells cant. ?Doctors have successfully now removed the cells from the embryos without damaging it at all. ?Fuck even Govnah Ahnuld supports it and has pleaded with his fellow republicans to pass it. ?
Personally I've seen what the effects of Alzheimers and Parkinsons can do. ?It's horrid to sit there and watch a person try to drink a cup of coffee when they're shaking so uncontrollably bad that they continually spill it. ?It's horrible to watch someone forget their own son's name due to Alzheimers. ?Why the hell would anyone want to stop medical advances that could be used to treat this? ?If you feel it's an ethical thing please explain why.....the floor is open to anyone.

No worries dude, I wasn't responding to you posting it, just to the ad itself - I think its cool to see/hear both sides of the coin  : ok:

Him and Nancy Reagan.............

Bill, I agree. Its terrible to watch someone you love suffer knowing their could be a cure to their problem out there - its a shame people can't sympathize others just b/c it doesn't directly effect them.  But when it does, they are VERY quick to change their minds.

Kinda like how I'm Pro-Life.... until my girlfriend gets pregnant!? ?:crying: :peace:




j/k

the issue is simple. most people are FOR stem cell research. we're all on the same page there.

some are AGAINST embyonic stem cell research. their argument is simple, they believe that you are taking human life to try to preserve human life. and therefore they do not agree with it.

you may disagree with that statement, but if you take a second to understand where they are coming from, it's not all that crazy. they just have a belief system that differs from you.

and i believe polls show that most people are against cloning of any type.

Hey! I am a dudette! ;D

My personal opinion is that I am for the research because I have had people in my life that it has affected personally and watching them degenerate can just rip your heart into pieces no matter what political affiliation you belong to. ?

Just look at Nancy Reagan for instance and the suffering she endured. ? ?

I think pulling out the guy who played JESUS for the response ad was a pretty cheap shot (notice they put him in the ad 1st)!

cheap shot??? it was a smart move. they know who they need to get motivated to vote.  :hihi:

and although the ad is powerful, i wonder if this is a mistake by the Dems. why get the religious right motivated to vote? we'll know the impact in 2 weeks.

the true cheap shot was Fox lying in the ad....

"That ad claims opponents want to criminalize research and prevent the expansion of stem cell research. Those claims are just false and misleading," Ruse said. "Our gripe with Amendment 2 is it creates a right to do human cloning and it creates the right to human egg trafficking for cloning research."

well thats a great example...or how you're against gay marriage, until your daughter comes out of the closet and tells you shes a lesbian....

I think the religious right was going to vote anyways, just as the liberal left is going to vote no matter what....its the moderates who are going to tip the scales here and like you said, most people are in favor of stem cell research of some kind. 

Or you are against the death penalty until a child molester kills your daughter.  Or you are against parental notification for abortion until your daughter gets pregnant.

good examples, i agree, hyporcrisy is really frustrating and irritating.  good thing i'm pro death penalty so I won't have to have a change of heart  : ok:

But if we went by that wouldn't everyone have to shut the fuck up about politics? Everyone has to have a day job, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have a say or express their opinions just based on what they do for a living. Some of the best political statements were made my people in movies, music (as shown in their art) and even sports figures; Ali, Jim Brown, Arthur Ashe.....

But lawyers should definitely stay out of politics.? ;D

....and Pat Robertson..... and all religious groups for that matter.?

I see your point, but its attempting to use that celebrity to get attention or sway opinion.....what makes Kurt Warner's opinion on stem cell any better or more important then yours?  how come they used celebs instead of everyday people in the ad?  See my point.  Its supposed to get your attention and be like "WHOA, Mike Sweeney said hes against it......".  I think the other side is just as bad, I don't really give a shit what Sean Penn or Alec Baldwin thinks (they are both part of F. A. G. after all heheh).

As for musicians and artists...its preaching but its not pushing.  It also is art and that is a form of expression, its supposed to stir up emotions.  As for the sports guys you mentioned, like i said before, those issues personally effected them (same with Magic Johnson).  Yeah there are exceptions to every statement, but generally speaking, i think they should all just shut up.  leave the politics to the people whose job it is and stick to baseball/football.

Personally, I hate how preachy Bono is, but I do applaud him for doing TONS of work.  but its hard to take someone seriously when they are trying to end world poverty but they live in million dollar mansions, wear expensive clothes and sunglasses and once paid thousands just to have a hat of his flown from one country to another b/c he forgot to take it on a trip with him.

But that's the thing though, we can't leave it up to the people whose job it is. That's the thing we have to get away from is depending on people to do their jobs and not informing ourselves about what they're supposed to be doing. That's why I think its a good thing that a celebrity gets behind an issue, just for the fact they can draw people to that issue, even if its just for us to say "They don't know what the fuck they're talking about." It causes us to get involved.

Warner is speaking just on religious beliefs, which with me completely makes his opinion irrelevant, which again is my opinion. But he should stand up for what he believes in. Its up to us to listen.

And we're all hypocrites in our own way ;)

Limbaugh is an ass. ?Plain and simple.

Limbaugh is not a politician. ?He's not even much of an activist. ? He's a radio personality getting paid (well) to direct his particular line of rhetoric to the masses. ?Considering his popularity when taking into account his past foibles...he's obviously good at it. ?But rest assured it's 90% schtick.....the man started life as a talentless DJ doing top 40 schtick, so he knows it well.

Now, he's not an idiot. ?He said what he said knowing full well the shit storm it would drum up. And the rise in his Q rating and public awareness. ?And the rise in ratings it would likely cause. ?And, on the marginal plus side, that it would draw attention to the campaign for his "side" of things. ?It wasn't going to "hurt" him with his dittoheads.

Oh, and I wouldn't exactly characterize what he said as an apology. ?It was sort of backhanded and then, more or less, retracted on his show the next day.




He went on to take a bunch more pot shots at Fox, stirring the pot as is Rush's schtick.

Drugie Rush went right back to taking shots at Fox after his "apology". What a total dirtbag.

Maybe he is just jealous that Fox is able to obtain his drugs with a prescription?

I hope he keeps talking....say all you want chubs  : ok:  The more press for this the better

Voters Increase Support for Stem Cell Research After Viewing Michael J. Fox Ad

Republicans' Support for Republican House Candidates Declines

FLEMINGTON, N.J.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--A new national study revealed that American voters' support for stem cell research increased after they viewed an ad featuring Michael J. Fox in which he expresses his support for candidates who are in favor of stem cell research.

The study was conducted among 955 Americans by HCD Research and Muhlenberg College Institute of Public Opinion (MCIPO) during October 24-25, to obtain Americans' views on the stem cell research before and after they watched the ad.

The participants included self-reported Democrats, Republicans and Independents. They were asked to view the ad and respond to pre-and post-viewing questions regarding their opinions and emotions concerning the ad.

Among the study findings:

    * Among all respondents, support for stem cell research increased from 78% prior to viewing the ad, to 83% after viewing the ad. Support among Democrats increased from 89% to 93%, support among Republicans increased from 66% to 68% and support among Independents increased from 80% to 87% after viewing the ad.
    * The level of concern regarding a candidate's view on stem cell research increased among all respondents from 57% prior to viewing the ad to 70% after viewing the ad. Among Democrats, the level of concern increased from 66% to 83% and Republicans' level of concern increased from 50% to 60%. Independents' level of concern increased from 58% to 69%.
    * The perception that the November election is relevant to the U.S. policy on stem cell research increased across all voter segments, with an increase of 9% among all respondents pre- and post-viewing from 62% to 71%. The Democrats' perception increased from 75% to 83%, Republicans' perception increased from 55% to 62% and Independents' perception increased from 60% to 68% pre- and post-viewing.
    * The advertisement elicited similar emotional responses from all responders with all voter segments indicating that they were "not bored and attentive" followed by "sorrowful, thankful, afraid and regretful."
    * The vast majority of responders indicated that the advertisement was believable with 76% of all responders reporting that it was "extremely believable" or "believable." Among party affiliation, 93% of Democrats 57% of Republicans and 78% of Independents indicated it "extremely believable" or "believable."

Respondents were asked to indicate what candidate they would vote for in the U.S. House of Representatives election if it was held today before and after viewing the ad.
# Republicans who indicated that they were voting for a Republican candidate decreased by 10% after viewing the ad (77% to 67%). Independents planning to vote for Democrats increased by 10%, from 39% to 49%.

 :rofl:


I don't even see how this guy is even still on the air.  Fat, useless painkiller popping idiot taking shots at a seriously ill person.  His so called apology was bullshit.  He says "if I am wrong" not "I am wrong"

But yea, let him keep on talking, he is causing his own party to lose votes and I find that part of it very amusing!

Love him or hate him, his commentary on Michael J. Fox was disgusting.? Rush is a good example of why alot of non-Americans don't like us very much.? I'm just speaking the truth.? :'(

Folks with Parkinson's disease are a portion of the patients I treat as a physical therapist.? I get to see the ravages of this horrible condition up close.? Actually, I get to see alot of horrible afflictions that stem cell research could one day cure.? Do folks today realize that as they age, they too could be victims of conditions like this???? It boggles my mind how stupid and near-sighted some people can be.? ?:-[?

Then, to listen to this windbag try to say Fox was trying to trick people by not taking his meds makes we want to scream.? That is Michael J. Fox!!!? Michael J. Fox IS that guy who is being ravaged by Parkinsons!!? ?

I just saw that jerk mimicking Fox on an Entertainment Tonight clip.  What a dick.  >:(?

it was too little too late, you dont do something that low and expect "oh sorry" to make you look like a decent person, Rush is a fucking idiot and needs to shut the fuck up!

Think of the lives that have been lost over Anna Nicole. The horror. The humanity. Millions of Stem Cellians trapped between dried out pages of old Playboys. If only God will forgive the Liberals for this.

Bud Fox personally thinks Rush is back on the junk. His shows have been increasingly incoherent and bizarre. Then again, that pretty much describes the entire Republican Party, so go figger.

You are walking lockstep with Rush, repeating his second attack on Fox.

Fox also did an ad promoting Arlen Spector (R) in 2004 as well you incoherent stooge.

Are you going to claim they were "using" Fox then also?

yes. and it was a smart move by them as well.

I am not blinded by partisanship to any party. you should try it.  :hihi:

and in my entire life, i've probably listened to about 90 seconds of rush limbaugh.

Good job in refraining from namecalling.

One thing I find peculiar: didn't Fox admit that he purposely did not take his drugs when he testified in front of Congress so that the effects of his condition would be more profound?  Doesn't Rush have a right to say that he may be doing that here to get across a political point of view?  If that is so, shouldn't Rush do it?

I certainly don't agree with attacking the messenger, but if Fox really has used such tactics then I don't think it is terrible to point them out.

His movements are a side effect of the drugs. Not from not taking them. That is how dumb druggie Rush and his stooges are.

What's next? Muhammad Ali a faker?

VP Cheney faking his heart condition?

You pretending to be stupid for a cheap laugh?

I see you have come to yet ruin another thread.


Ok so i see alot of you people saying its ok for Fox to be political cause it brings light to the issues that he believes in! but then why is it not ok for conservative celebs to talk about an issue that they care about? I sympathize with fox and his condition but what I don't sympathize with the blatant lies that his add portrays. 

That is not what Fox said on the Today show or when he testified in front of Congress.? He said that when he testified in front of Congress he purposely did not take his medication so that they could hear and see the effects of his disease.? I am not criticizing him for this at all, but pointing it out is not criticizing him either.?

It is his disease that cause the uncontrolled muscle movements, not the medication.


More namecalling.? Keep it up.? How have you not been banned?? I don't think I have ever read one post from you that doesn't have personal attacks.? Many people have been banned for much less.

OK, Bud Fox changes his mind.

You aren't acting for a cheap laugh are you?

Who said that?

You?

If stem cell researchers were talking about cures for  baldness, being overweight,  drug addiction, hearing loss, or trouble getting a hard on you can be Rush would be at Fox's side.

Berkeleyriot apologizes.  Berkeley create typos.  Berkeley think Budfox so smart.

Berkeley think Budfox brilliant.  Berkeley think Budfox nail coffin on head. 

Because showing the true symptoms of the disease, without expensive medications that many people can't afford and many insurance companies won't cover, is somehow dishonest?

You talk about Fox "admitting" he didn't take his meds like he suddenly decided to put on a performance...when, in fact, he was portraying a much more realistic picture of what the disease does to many, if not most, people.

As for Rush's right to criticize Fox....does Fox now have the right (or obligation) to point out that Rush was a drug addict who's opinions and thinking may very well be muddled by that previous addiction's effect on his brain (witness his hearing loss as evidence of some serious neurological damage)? ?Or that he spends hours on end preaching about morality and ethics after spending much of his "political commentary" career being a complete hypocrit? I think doing so, while possibly true, wouldn't exactly be the right thing to do...do you? ?Because, if you do...this whole conversation is moot.

No one denies Fox is sick. ?He has Parkinsons. ?So Rush first accuses him of acting. ?Then backs off THAT assertion and just says "Well, the guys off his meds....that makes the ad misleading". ?Bullshit. ?It's not misleading. ?It's an accurate portrayal of the disease. ?So what's the problem?  That Rush doesn't like it because it portrays his "party line" on embryonic stem cell research poorly and makes the opposing view point more sympathetic?  Well no shit it does.  That's entirely the point.  So just say it.  It was an ad designed to play on people's sympathies.....

But how can Rush garner ratings by saying that? ?Or by actually attacking the ad, rather than just Fox's appearance in it? ?The answer is, of course, he can't. ?So he says the most outrageous (but calculated, make no mistake about it) thing he can think of...and it worked. ?Look at the press he's getting.....

^^^ I agree.  You're basically saying anybody suffering these days should just take their meds and be quiet so none of us healthier people have to feel uncomfortable - rather then ACTUALLY SEEING the effects of their illness.  ???

Berkeley - you think he likes taking his meds? you think he likes the side effects?  Are you on medication?  :hihi:  how about finding a cure for these diseases so you dont' HAVE to take medication?  Oh wait, then the pharm companys would lose money, nevermind.  ::)

Pretty sick that you would think someone is showing a more "profound" display of their terribly condition just to get across a "political point of view".


Fox told Couric that he did the ads only to advance his cause, and that he doesn't care about politics.

"Disease is a nonpartisan problem that requires a bipartisan solution," he said.

"Would you support a Republican candidate?" Couric asked.

"I have," Fox replied. "I've campaigned for Arlen Specter," describing the Republican Senator from Pennsylvania as a "fantastic champion of stem-cell research."

Limbaugh is an ass. I never did like him.

My opinion about stem cell research ( neither party has come up with this)

Let the parents make the choice whether their "specimen" should be used for reserch. We have a choice if we want to donate our body to science after we die. If a fetus did not make it, why throw it away? Why let it die in vain? It can help someone else's life, making its short existance make a difference.

Showing the effects of the disease is part of the whole point of the campaign because we should all know that pharmecutical companies are NOT about finding the cure but rather to keep people paying high prices for their drugs to so call "control" the disease.  Finding a cure doesn't help them because it eliminates the need for people to pay them for these overpriced drugs.



So why wouldn't it be OK for MJF to show what the disease looks like without the drugs?

Rush on the other hand loves the pharmecutical companies because he is an overpaid windbag who can afford to buy them for his recreational activities. ::)

You nailed it Bandita.

Its not ok b/c some people think "whats MJF complaining about, we have medication for that, whats he got to worry about - hes just using this as a tactic for political reasons"   ::)  Pretty retarded.

:rofl: Im sorry but in a very serious topic here this is amusing but very true..

I think Rush Limbaugh makes alot of very good points in his criticizing of the Democrats and the liberal media. But he never thinks the Republicans do anything wrong or bad and everything they do is right. He always thinks the Republicans are the good guys. Which is so wrong in my opinion. That is just too extreme to have that point of view. What he said about Fox is wrong. And it's disgusting how the Democrats have used people like Cindy Sheehan and Fox to push their agendas.

Remember Drew, Michael J. Fox has also appeared in ads for Arlen Spector, Republican from Pennsylvannia.  Michael J. Fox is doing what any of us would do if we were put in the same horrible position he is in right now.  Stem cell research isn't some pipe dream pie in the sky theoretical concept like cold fusion.  It is real science and our best bet at taking out (not just treating symptoms with pills, sorry pharmaceutical companies) dreaded diseases.
It just happens to be an idea that an overwhelming majority of Americans support.  A greater percentage of Democrats believe in allowing (not mandating) federal funding of such a great pursuit that will benefit mankind!  Of course Democrats are going to bring this to the attention of the American people.  It's an issue that works. 

Rush should stick to the Republican M.O. that worked for them in '04.  Fear.  Fear of war and fear of gays.  Talk about a great motivator.  It's win-win for the Republicans.  If we don't get attacked, it's because we brought the war over there!  If we get attacked, just think how bad it would have been had the Democrats been in power!  There's also alot of hidden anti-gay sentiment in the US (especially potent with the right-wing evangelicals).  Any type of mention of gay marriage, even if no legal actions to stop it are taken, will help the Republicans.  For some reason, people think acknowledging gay people exist may turn their kids gay.  (think Family Guy..."take that Nancy-Boy!"   :rofl:

Good points Axl4Prez2004. :)

I am with the Democrats and Fox in their support of  Stem Cell research. Trust me! :yes: I think there is so much we could gain from this research and I think it would lead in alot of ways helping people who suffer from diseases. Especially, Diabetes and Parkinson's.

I am not here to defend Rush nor criticize Fox.  I agree that Fox has the right to represent to true nature of the illness.  However, those that are against stemcell also have the right to point out that Fox purposely did not take his medication.  To the extent Rush went beyond that, he is an idiot.  Those against stem cell may want to show that there are drugs that actually help Fox and that he doesn't normally feel those kind of effects when he is on the medication.  All I am saying is the more information the better.

I dont think the democrats used anyone, i think these people are more than happy to do what they did! These people have a cause and want to be heard! : ok:

I say let  him "self medicate" himself into humiliation and shame. He already is an idiot who is poisoning America, so let  him destroy himself so we  can get this Nazi off the air and instead replace him with a sane person who is not filled with anger against humanity (or anyone who disagrees with him).

This guy is a piece of shit. : ok:  Maybe someday if someone he loved or maybe if he himself got inflicted with this, THEN maybe he would understand and be qualified to comment.

The medication Parkinson disease patients take makes them shake. Its a side effect.  How is Fox exaggerating when his entire life is anything but what it use to be?


I dont see anything wrong with Stem Cell Research, As long as abortion is legal u might as well get something positive out of it.

People have this stupid belief that GOD thinks its wrong or its immoral.

Well u know u can look at it like this.

If u get cancer maybe GOD intended for u to die with cancer.

If U get any disease, maybe GOD intended for u to die that way, So in my opinion there isnt much difference in going to the doctor and getting treated for those diseases than having these same scientists and people who were born with a GOD GIVEN ability to come up with cures and solutions that find a way to use Stem Cell Research  for victims of heinous diseases to maybe someday be able to live normal lives again.

Id rather Cure parkinsons and the hundreds of other ailments than be "Moral" whatever the hell that means.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=o8lsjfjgAA8

Hard to see Michael like that.  :no:

I agree. That totally contradicts the seperation of church & state.

How do politicians know what God thinks?

My new policy: Vote against all incumbents, regardless of political party. If you dont like the way things are now, vote those who are making decisions now out of power.

Well, according to Bush, God spoke to him about Iraq and gave him advice.  :nervous:

Cant say I remember Bush saying that, but Id be worried if he did.

On talking to his father about Iraq:

"You know he is the wrong father to appeal to in terms of strength. There is a higher father that I appeal to," Bush said.

I was watching a documentary on CNN where people around him have said that, and I'm paraphrasing, that he is on a mission from God about the middle east. Makes sense seeing all the God and religious statements he's made about the war.

When he used the term Crusade before the war it actually made me shudder. I never would have figured anyone would be that dumb to say that, knowing how that is still such a sensitive issue with muslims.

Is this the quote? Where does it say God spoke to Bush?

All I read is that Bush looks for guidance from God.

That's just to bad. Cause there is no outcry from the Muslim population aginst these Muslim terrorists anyways.

The appeasement that is filling this world sickens me.

We tried appeasement with Hitler. ( It diddn't work)

Muslims who lead a life following the faith of the true Muslim need to take control of their religion from these ultra right Muslim fanatics who preach death and murder.

uh...When millions of your people were butchered because of their religion, I think that would leave a sour spot. Ask the Jews...

Its this kind of arrogance that's got us into this mess. Forgien Policy. There is a reason for it. Its good to understand a people who think completely different than you do.

I always found it ironic that the right wing used fear the way they do. Seems that lately they are terrorizing the American public more than anybody else. Their political ads constantly show Osama Bin Laden and nuclear bombs detonating. They are using Osama's tapes exactly what they were intended for: to scare people. Fighting terror, with terror?????.brilliant.

I don't care to understand anyone who's life mission is the destruction of me, my family, and my country. Anyone who's religion that the full intent of killing those who do not follow does not deserve my understanding or my condolences.

From an old USA Today article:

On Iraq:
Bush believes he was called by God to lead the nation at this time, says Commerce Secretary Don Evans, a close friend who talks with Bush every day.

The thought of another assault on the United States horrifies Bush. Aides say he believes history and heaven will judge him by his ability to prevent one.

I'm sure there is more...I'll keep looking. 

Bush believes God speaks to him. This is not in a literal sense. Many Christians claim the same thing. They feel a spiritual drive and recognize it as "God speaking to them" through events or whatever. It's not like Bush sits in his Oval Office and says, "Yo, God, homeboy, what's up, G?"

You lefties throw that "fear" word around like it's a bad thing.? In my opinion, it's a healthy fear of a real threat.? Because the left is (and has always been) weak on national security, they wish everyone would forget about terrorism altogether.? Instead of whining about the right, how 'bout you guys on the left grow some balls and actually come up with someone who is actually serious about fighting terror.  Who knows?  You might actaully win an election.... :hihi:

I hear what you're saying, I don't think Wubya has a Jesus phone in the oval office.  But if he feels he is being "called upon" by God to start a war....that scares me.  Especially when we're supposed to have seperation of church and state.  I see nothing wrong with seeking guidance from God, but if you're getting premonitions/callings and then acting on them regardless of other things going on in the secular world, thats just a little unsettling to me.

I love this POV....yeah, us "lefties" and the democratic party just wants to see our country get blown up.  Guys like Max Cleland are "soft on war" haha. what a joke.  Explain to me what Iraq has to do with the war on terror or national security?

Mainline:  "Instead of whining about the right, how 'bout you guys on the left grow some balls and actually come up with someone who is actually serious about fighting terror."

for a second there, I thought we could have a civil discussion without personal attacks.  mainline, an apology is in order.

a quote from SLCpunk:  "Their political ads constantly show Osama Bin Laden and nuclear bombs detonating. They are using Osama's tapes exactly what they were intended for: to scare people. Fighting terror, with terror?????.brilliant."
...Bush may not be book-smart, but the guy knows politics.  He's street-smart.  2 presidential elections "won," and I do believe he and Karl Rove know which buttons to push to get the American people voting for his side.  Unfortunately, I do believe the Republicans will retain control of congress.

The stem cell issue is a slam dunk for the Dems...but fear of gays and fear of terrorism trumps fear of disease.  Please cue Madagascar, "What we've got here is.....fear!"  :(

So do I, that's why I have it....


Who said you lefties "want to see our country blown up?" ?I don't believe that. ?Well, except for the real nutcases out there. ?I do believe most on the left are weak on national security, the issue being terrorism or whatever. ?Until the left quits saying the right is just using fear, and somehow demonstrates they can defend this country, nobody will take them serious on that issue.

As for the war on terror/national security and Iraq, I'll just cut n' paste.....http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=17519.80

In my opinion, groups like Al-Qaeda are simply a symptom of a larger disease - destitute, disfunctional, dictator-run societies that fuel armies built on the perversion of a religion. ?Both Afghanistan and Iraq were and are a part of that disease. ?Many say they supported going into Afghanistan but were against going into Iraq. Hypothetically speaking, we could have gone just into Afghanistan alone, kill a lot of Al-Qaeda members (maybe even getting Bin Laden himself), drive the Taliban from the region, and help set up a local government friendly to the West. ?But the underlying problem described above would have remained. ?It could be said that, as long as they stay within their own borders, a country's problems are none of our business. ?After 9/11, it became our business. ?And not just Al-Qaeda or Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein, but the whole cancer that we know as the Middle East. ?I see Iraq as a test-run. ?A chance for at least one nation in that region to move beyond the dark whole it and so many of its neighbors are in. ?Will it all end with the desired results? ?I don't know. ?It is ultimately up to the Iraqis whether their nation succeeds in democracy or falls into civil war. ?Ironically, people in such countries as Iran, Syria, or North Korea should want the U.S. to succeed in Iraq. ?If our efforts prove in vain, we'll know that instead of trying to build up an enemy nation, the answer may just be to simply destroy it.

Bush?? Rove?? The typical arrogance and condescending attitude of the left has cost them elections.? You and your pal SLCPUNK are classic examples.? You think everyone who disagrees with you and voted for Bush is some hillbilly yahoo to dumb to know what's what.? Everyone else is clueless while you on the left know what's really going on.? Keep up that kind of thinking and you'll continue to lose.

I'll say it again, fear (or a realistic awareness) of the terrorism threat is a good thing.? Admitting there's an enemy out there isn't enough.? You actually have to be willing to do something about it.? The left hasn't proved it is willing.? And they're probably not.? So they'll keep on keeping on with the "fear" accusations....

As for gay marriage, gay people trying to get married made it an "issue."? Not George Bush or Kal Rove.  Just wanted to clear that up.....

"If he feels that way?"  'If' being the key word there.  So, you really don't know, do ya?  But you've come up with an image of Bush that is comfortable to you.  It's how you want to see him.  And it scares you?  I thought we weren't supposed to let ourselves be ruled by fear.....

I agree. Washington and Lincoln also contributed their reasoning to God's influence and prayed for guidance, but they were very intelligent men and brilliant politicians. George W. Bush is neither.

"Mainline: ?"Instead of whining about the right, how 'bout you guys on the left grow some balls and actually come up with someone who is actually serious about fighting terror."

for a second there, I thought we could have a civil discussion without personal attacks. ?mainline, an apology is in order."

Mainline, you've posted twice since the request for an apology was made. ?People can disagree in a civil manner. ?This should be an enlightening dialogue, not a place to shout out one's own diatribes. ?You also said SLCpunk and myself are pals. ?SLC, do I know you? ?Do you know me? ?If I'm not mistaken, I posted my extreme opposition to a political cartoon SLCpunk posted a while back that had the WTC towers being bombed, and compared it side by side with bombs landing on civilian apartment buildings in Iraq. ?It was wrong on many levels and I posted that. ?

Also, can you please explain how western European nations have been able to live for many years without collapsing? ?They do have gay rights. ?As far as I know, gay couples have the same rights under the law as straight couples. ?It's amazing, huh?

Also, can you please tell me why we chose Iraq over say, Iran, or Syria, or North Korea? ?Heck, the majority of the 9/11 attackers were Saudi. ?

We've gotten off-topic by the way. ?This thread is about Rush Limbaugh and his absolutely inappropriate actions. ?His mimicking of a man with Parkinson's disease, on-camera, was disgusting. ?Just forget your party-lines and admit that fact, and we can move on. ? : ok:

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Are you requesting an apology from me?  What did I say that needs apologizing for?  I know you disagreed with SLC's cartoon.  That's why I said you are more objective than many around here.  But I still see you echo him a lot, if even unintentionally.


I'm aware that the entire world has always gone on with gay people in it.  But I wouldn't hold up Western Europe as an example or something to model. 

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I think we should deal with all of them.  Iraq was as good a place to start as any.  Already being in Iraq and Afghanistan, we're right next door to both Syria and Iran in case we need to go into either country.  North Korea's time is coming.  And for Saudi Arabia, I haven't liked the fact that we've let them play both sides.  They need to know they - i.e. the ruling family - can be toppled over night.


Yes, we have gotten off-topic.  I don't agree with what Limbaugh said.  He's a blowhard.  Party lines?  I lean to the right, yes, but I'm no Republican.

The right wing forgot about fighting terrorism when they went into Iraq and let Osama wonder in Pakistan to gather support and find a nuke.

Now, when it is time for an election, you guys bring up Osama again, and use his films as a way to scare Americans into voting. It's rather pathetic.

National security has been compromised by the piss poor leaders in our white house. According to the latest NIE report we have created more terrorists because of Iraq, and are less safe now.

All of which I said would happen since day one.

Fighting terrorism has more to do with than Osama.


There's that liberal arrogant, condescending attitude again.  I also mentioned that a few posts up.  Thanks for confirming....


We'll just have to disagree on that one.


Even if you were right, what do you want?  A medal?

No, he wants to be endowed like Ron Jeremy so he can pleasure himself orally. He told me so!  ;D

Yes, he wants a medal.

And with that, this thread is most likely closed.

Thanks dude.

I can delete it?  ???

'Twas just a reference to our discussion last night...  :-\

Well it should prob be closed anyways, its kinda gone way off topic and I think we can all agree that Rush is a douche right?  :beer:

 It does have more to do than Osama, but it sure didn't have anything to do with Iraq. Everything claimed by Bush and Rummy, turned out to be nothing more than a big old pile of poo. Killing over 650,000 Iraqi civilians sure hasn't done a darn thing either.

Nothing wrong with mentioning the truth at all. Bush hasn't focused on Osama at all. He dropped the ball, and went into Iraq, creating a civil war instead. Now the political ads are showing Osama (his tapes too) as this "threat." What a joke.

Disagree all you like, but the National Intelligence Estimate is one of the most important reports that is produced.

You wanna talk about arrogance? Being arrogant is taking one of the most authoritative intelligence reports and ignoring it, while saying "there is more to terror than Osama." That is arrogance. It is that kind of arrogance that has slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and close to 3000 of our best, while creating more terrorists, making us less safe, all while Osama looks for WMD in Pakistan.

Way to go.

Great post.  How anyone in this country today can ignore those facts (and yes, they are indeed facts) is beyond me. People STILL think Iraq and Osama were connected....scary right?

But I love when people say the Dems are weak on terror.  Where is this coming from?  They haven't been in control at all the last 6 years.  Most dems supported the war (at first, under false pretense like most of america).  Do people think Dems wouldn't have fought back after 9-11?  It really baffles me.

Like I said before, the right wing uses fear just like the terrorists do: to control people. They turn the left into the boogie man du jour. "If the liberals take over then THIS will happen to national security."  (" But never mind THIS is going on right now on our watch.")

They have a constant rotation of fear the use: gays, attack on religion, terror, liberals, flag burning, etc.

About a year ago I gave Bush the benefit of the doubt and now I am gonna stand up, be a MAN and admit that I was totally Wrong.

Totally Wrong and wish I could go back and change how I felt at the time.




Gays cant marry cause of GOD

We cant use stem cells which would improve so many people's quality of life cause of GOD


I love how supposed Religious people can somehow think they are qualified to SPEAK for GOD.


I say we get our gifts from GOD



So from Surgeries to anti biotics on down the line, people were born with GOD Given abilities to cure these diseases.


Someone answer this IMPORTANT QUESTION:

why is it ok to use another human being's Bone Marrow for Leukemia, Why is it ok to use another Human Being's Organs but its not ok to use another human's Stem Cells?


What kind of hypocriscy is that?

Interesting how Osama was never captured. Interesting how the whole thing ends up with the Iranians being the winners, with the Sunni Taliban destroyed in their East and the Socialist Hussein destroyed in the West, with them now within months of gaining control of Shiite Iraq and its vast oil fields, so that they will end up control over a third of the oil on the planet.

Also interesting how Iranian spy Ahmed Chalibi ended up being a top advisor to Dick Cheney-that's a real pisser. Interesting how Bush and Iran can wave nukes at each other, and the price of oil goes up and down like a magician's yoyo. Couldn't have gone better if they planned it, now could it?

OO! An insult. Tell Bud Fox, since you are a Republican, did you get an automatic free membership in NAMBLA?

How do you expect to anyone to take you seriously when you throw out ridiculously inflated numbers?? Over 650,000 Iraqis?? LOL!? I don't think so.? At most, it's about 50,000.  Hell, even Lancet estimates only around 100,000.  And YOU'RE the one who's always harping about "facts...."

http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/index.php#count

Who said I was a Republican?

As for NAMBLA, you gotta know that, if anybody, it would be the left who would defend a group like that.

Lancet estimated 100,000 over two years ago.

This is a new study by Lancet:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.deaths/index.html

Also the first Lancet study came under wide spread attack by right wing fascists who refused to admit their war crimes. This time Lancet asked John Hopkins University to supervise the test.

Thanks.



If it walks like a fascist...................



The only group I see defending phedophiles these days is the republican run Congress.

Ok, Bush thinking he was called by God is different. Thanks HannaHat.

The GOP used trumped up lies and excuses to invade Iraq. Now you Republican sick fucks can murder Iraqi kids and feel good about yourself while you are doing it, all the while preaching at us what great fucking "patriots" you are. Murder, torture, rape - that's what you really stand for. You'e a bunch of fascist killers who have turned the world into our enemies. Keep up the good work.

right... and we're back to fucking Iraq again!

FUCK!!!