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Terminator release date confirmed

BBC World (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7266714.stm)

The fourth movie in the Terminator series will be released on 22 May 2009, film studio bosses have announced.

Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins features Batman Begins star Christian Bale as rebel leader John Connor.

Charlie's Angels director McG will take the helm on the movie, which is expected to be the first in a new Terminator trilogy.

Production will begin in May this year in New Mexico in the US and will be the biggest film ever shot in the state.

McG said in a statement that New Mexico represented an arid Western United States in a post-apocalyptic future.

"This is the story of a man's search for belief in himself and his fellow man. It's a long journey and the landscape plays a critical role," he said.

The film will open against family film Night at the Museum II: Escape From the Smithsonian - the sequel to the 2006 film starring Ben Stiller as a night security guard who realizes the exhibits where he works come to life when the sun goes down.

The last Terminator movie - Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines - starring California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, was released in 2003 and earned $150.4m (?75.7m) in the US.

EDIT: Changed title.

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I take it you didn't know this information yet?

The Charlie's Angels movies were awful. Uh oh.......

I read in an online article that james cameron recommended that director to the movie company...so maybe hes not that bad lol.

Still trying to figure out why Bale would do this given that McG is the director. It's gotta be a cash grab from Bale. He's not getting paid anywhere near as much as he deserves for the Batman movies because they aren't huge box office smashes.

Ah...I don't know...the first two were great, T3 was good...let it go...

Did McG direct those movies? No. I fear he'll ruin the franchise. The first 3 ARE good movies, which is why a hack like McG shouldn't be allowed to put his stamp on the franchise. Hopefully Bale picked this role because the screenplay is very good.

you also do realise Arnolds not in this either....

McG is a horrible director...

dudes...Terminator 3 is a big pile of shit how can you guys even put it in the same league as Terminator 1 and 2?

Don't let the Terminator series end up like the Crow...

:'(

wow i really hope that this does'nt totally kill Terminator for me or anyone else. I'm not gonna lie, on May 22nd 2009 i am going to brace myself for total shit. Not gonna lie.


why can't they get the actors and actress' from the 3rd one instead of having a whole new cast AGAIN!?!?!?

Could not agree more. T2 is possibly my favorite movie ever....either T2 or army of darkness..I've been going back and forth for years...anyway when I started reading that article and saw the Bale part I was briefly excited. John Connor, the best and last hope for all mankind, should not be a 5 foot 4 crybaby wuss like in T3. I swear he had more balls as a preteen. However that excitement was quickly destroyed by the mention of McG. If Cameron did actually recommend him it's probably cause he's still pist they keep churning these things out when he never wanted anything made after T2 and he's trying to sabotage the film. Which after T3 you can't blame him for.

The actors? You're worried about the actors? You should be far more worried about the DIRECTOR. He's a hack, plain and simple. As far as actors go, Christian Bale is a million times better than Nick Stahl.

I don't see the point making this film. There's already The Chronicles of Sarah Connor, isn't that enough?
They have to make a feature film based on John Connor as well. Is it going to be a continuation from the last film?

They've already covered John Connor in his youth and adulthood, they've had a glimpse into the future where he's fighting the war with a bunch of robots and leftover humans who got slaughtered anyway, they've already exploited his mother in her own dedicated TV series, they've covered the events leading to and including Judgement day, they've covered two different models of the helpful terminator, they've covered two or three 'evil' terminators who have all come back from the future for the same thing..

Where do they go from here?

It takes place in the future. We get to see the war now.

I just hope there is a decent context/storyline, and it's not one and a half hours of CGI war

exactly.  can't wait to see how it turns out.. i hope they are careful and don't screw it up!
but with Bale, i have high hopes!

let the GNR song on the movie soundtrack rumors start.. NOW!   :hihi:

Oh boy; well I'm hoping that something would have been released well before that time.

"You Were Mine" the new Song GNR will use for Terma-nate-ah 4. 

..And I read an article where he speaks very highly of T3. Maybe on both occasions it's just him having a laugh:D

Then again ever since titanic Cameron has had such a god complex, i guess losing any taste in movies might be part of it.
It's very unfortunate that after making a movie that brings in certain combination of  cash/critical acclaim/awards you stop being very good actor/director and start being a VERY IMPORTANT PERSON.
After you start being a VERY IMPORTANT PERSON you just can't sit the fuck down and make a good movie like you used to, you have to CHANGE THE WORLD instead. This is done by either A) Making movies about Jesus or B) Finding tombs of Jesus. Since former was already taken, Cameron went with B)

Back on topic! Fuck T3. Fuck McG. fuck fuck fuck.

hahah.. i'm actually hoping this will be around the time of the C.D. followup!

Maybe they will have some robo sex in the movie with a hot ter-mah-nay-tah... or Spermanator.

i still dont understand why they didnt get a better and more accomplished director. baffles me.


but the fact its set in the future is exciting and cool. and christian bale is awesome, i hope he signed on cuz the scripts good. ill still be seeing this.

Last I heard Bale was set to play john conner...though I also hear that John Conner wont be the central character..which i actually find kind of puzzling.  According to http://movies.ign.com/articles/851/851752p1.html Sam Worthington is playing the lead.  :smoking:

john C isn't the central / main character in this one, but he becomes a lot bigger in the next two films.

So they're planning at least two more after this one? Come on..

And if John Connor, who is somewhat excusable as a central character in a Terminator film, isn't even the main character, then who is?

Didn't some dumb company buy the franchise? They aren't interested in making a good movie and continuing the Terminator legacy, they just want to milk this baby and make on profit on what they paid.

well it has been said that it's the first of a new trilogy.

John is a big character in the film but he sort weaves in and out of the story you see in this one. The real main character is named Marcus, which is sorta like  Vin  Diesel's Riddick, but even more bad ass.

I always wanted to see a terminator movie from the future, the world in Kyle's flashbacks for example :peace:

http://rss.warnerbros.com/terminatorsalvation/

Wow, you guys are really upset about this McG guy.

Let me add fuel to the fire.

He's responsible for The O.C.

why can't JC take it back over?

this was his baby to begin with wasn't it?

Yes it was his baby . But he has moved on to other things and already told the Terminator tale he wanted to.

I guess if there is one positive James Cameron is giving MCG input so maybe there's some hope.

I also would say that having and actor like Bale is another positive.

bale is a great actor. i loved how he played bruce wayne/batman.

here check out this concept/production art... looks pretty cool

(http://rss.warnerbros.com/terminatorsalvation/conceptart1-thumb.jpg)

doesnt matter...Christian Bale is one of the best actors in the world today...it will be hard to mess up a movie that has him in it...

I sure hope you're right about that.

No actor is immune from making bad movies......at the end of the day its the directors vision..

its like saying 88 minutes was goign to be good because of al pacino.....or Rocky and bullwinkle because of Robert dinero

oh btw guys...its been confirmed that they will be shooting for a PG-13 movie....its all over the net..

I'll be the first one to say it so no one else can...

Gn'R are coming out with a song on the soundtrack!  ::)

there i said it

I liked the first 3 pretty good, especially the first 2. I think it's time to leave the series alone though.

He's not.  At least not IMHO.

I agree, though...Charlie's Angel's sucked.

But the show he's involved with..."Supernatural"..is actually VERY well done and so is "Chuck".  I know those are EP credits....(though he may have directed an ep or two of Chuck...can't remember)

"We Are Marshall" was also well directed.

I think he can pull off a Terminator movie..

the thing is, "we are marshal" is a cliched sports movie.....Terminator is a futureistic sci-fi/action movie....and his last "action movies" were charlies angels

plus with a Pg-13 rating dissapoints me..

But the Charlie's Angels property, IMHO, sucks.  When you've got shit to work with......  Pair that with the fact the action sequences in the FIRST movie weren't complete cluster fucks (it was the rest of the movie that sucked ass).  Full Throttle, I admit, was a complete abortion.....from script on up.  No forgiving that one, I guess......

Again, though, Chuck and Supernatural both have action elements to them....though I agree, they are EP credits not directing credits.  I'm pretty sure he DID do an ep or two of Chuck...

"We Are marshall" shows he can do more character driven (but not completely character driven) pieces...and choreographing sports action isn't TOO far from what we're talking about, here.

I think he can pull it off.  I definitely don't think this is akin to tapping Uwe Boll as director.  It's not a slam dunk like getting Cameron to do it, either, but I don't think it's the "kiss of death" many here seem to think it is.

For Terminator. McG is a good choice

He is up and coming, and respected by alot of actors.

still though, what about the Pg-13 rating???  I get the feeling this will end up like Die hard 4....

Future war should be violent, not watered down..

Jonathan mostow was a much better director than McG and to most he didnt pull off a Terminator movie...I just dont have much faith in a sub-par director, pg-13 rating and the same scriptwriters of T3

You can still do a good action flick at  pg-13. There have been several good action or adventure flicks that have been rated below R. The fact of the matter is the studio wants to make money off of this property and making it pg-13 gives them an opportunity to make the most bang for their buck.

I will give this film a chance and actually see it or at least a trailer before I completey bash it.  :smoking:

The PG-13 rating will suck but just look at it this way there will likely be an unrated dvd version just like die hard.

One Possible Future

We're in the middle of week five. The New Mexico wind is kicking the shit out of the crew but providing a perfect backdrop for our post-apocalyptic world.

Sam tore a muscle on the left side of his ribs in a fight sequence. Neither of us wants to use a stunt double.

This movie takes place several years after Judgment Day, but prior to 2029. Just like it took a long time to get an HD plasma screen in our world, it took Skynet a lot of research and development to get to the T-800, and this movie explores that "space between." We have all been fascinated with the world after Judgment Day. Here it is.

In this film, there are Hydrobots that patrol the water, Transports that move human prisoners around, Harvesters that collect human beings as lab rats for Skynet and Aerostats that survey all that is going on with the resistance the world over.

We've started shooting the T-600 - the bigger, grimier, nastier version that preceded the T-800.

Like Reese says, they're easier to spot but they pack a mini gun and carry kick ass fire power. They're eight-foot tall killers that prowl the badlands looking for anything with a heartbeat to terminate.

Stan Winston, Production Designer Martin Laing and ILM came up with the designs and that thing is on Kyle Reese's ass throughout the entire picture. Wanted to achieve that bummer, rubbery skin, prosthetic look that cloaks an unrelenting machine with a singular focus of killing.

More to come...

Also, I realize my name is ridiculous. I was born Joseph McGinty Nichol. McG is short for McGinty. I have been called this since the day I was born to create separation from my Uncle Joe and Grandpa Joe. I realize it sounds like some Hollywood nickname, hip-hop choice. But the truth is, this is simply my name - for every day of elementary school, every zit-filled day of high school. I have been taking shit for it ever since. I get it, I would think it's lame too. But it's just a name, and to change it now would seem fraudulent.

Oh yeah, don't get too uptight about the prospect of the film being PG-13. We have entertained the idea of a PG-13 rating largely because Batman Begins, in my opinion, was made compromise-free. So we'll see. The movie comes first and it will be protected at all times?

By the way, there are only three people who know the ending.

The unknown future rolls toward us.

it shouldnt be pg-13, is that what he means?

it sounded so great and promising until i read that bit.

15 or above. It needs to be violent, when its a pg-13 a.k.a as 12a in the UK it can be violent but its not what i call "seriois violence". In 18 rated violence, example, when the terminator rips a heart out, its done relentlessly and brutally, you only get that feel in a high rated movie. In PG-13s its not done right ,its not done realistically enough or violently enough for it to shock. Terminator 3 was terrible. I dont want another let down.

he is just the director...not the writer....huge difference....plus Christian Bale would NOT sign on to a movie if it did not have a good script... : ok:

It sounds like he is saying he won't compromise the film to just get a pg-13 rating. I hope it isn't pg-13 but if it turns out it is i'm sure there will be an r or unrated dvd version like there is of everything these days.

Stan Winston just died.  Sad day for terminator fans.  R. I. P.

Bale is perhaps one of of my least fav actors.

the John Connor in the last movie was horrible though.

Ill see it based on the trailers though. I dont know about Terminator without Arnold.

That sucks. I wonder if he completed his work on t4 before he passed. RIP

Who was Stan?

I consider him to be one of the few good actors left.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Winston

Wow, huge loss.

Definitely huge loss. The guy was a genius with special effects and makeup.

I don't think the Terminator movies will be the same without Arnold in it. I have not heard much news about this at all. 

It'll be weird but i still think it can be good without him.

Bonham Carter Joins Terminator Salvation   


http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=46412

I wonder what part she will be playing.

We have our first T4 trailer. http://movies.yahoo.com/premieres/8841507/standardformat/

loved the ending on that trailer. hope we get to see more of that robot in the next trailer they release  :smoking:

Yeah i really liked the trailer. I'm guessing this is the same one that will be shown before the dark knight but i'm not sure. So maybe there is more to look forward to soon.

there were alot of daylight scenes.....thats one thing i disliked. it should be at night, the post nuke world portrayed in the previous movies was always dark.

But other than that it could be cool, hopefully not too much CGI, more model work.

I'm sure there will be plenty of night scenes since thats when its safer for the resistance to move around. I can't see it all taking place during the day.

http://io9.com/5026133/a-closer-look-at-our-robot-foes-of-terminator-4-and-mcgs-t+600

saw this preview when I saw Dark Knight, can't wait! : ok:

movies that are dark all the time piss me off, its just an excuse for cheap sets.

the sets in the future of the old terminator movies are all dark but they look damn impressive and epic! Im sure with the modern technology if they really wanted to, they could outdo it in scale.

I dont doubt that.

I wasnt a fan of T3. But after spending 200 million to make it, the studio still brought in 433 million bucks. They're probably counting on a similar profit with this film.

Did anyone like T3?

Parts if it, the terminators were credible and fascinating. Especially the TX.

What ruined it was how the director wrote John Connor.

Why does it look like Bale is fighting in regular streets and in sewers? At the end of 3 all those nukes got launched anyway, so shouldn't everything be an irradiated wasteland?

terminator 3 sucked. It was just bad, could of been good but it was made for kids n loaded with comedy.

i liked it a lot.  not sure why everyone poop on it so much.  I thought the highway scene in the beginning and the two Terminators fighting in the end were amazing scenes.  I also like the actor who played Connor a lot (he was in Carnivale, great show on cable thats off the air now).

Def not as good as T2 or the original, but still pretty good.

I hope T4 is awesome, but I'm not holding my breath with McG directing.

I agree that it had some good action scenes, but I also agree with norway. The John Connor character in that movie just had something wrong with it, I dont think it was the actor so much as it was the writers and script behind it.

Damn, I hated T3. The gynoid sucked and I don't know... it was just weird. Like somebody said, too many scenes in the daylight. Anyway, T4 seems to be shaping up well, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

Terminator 3 was like The Godfather 3 in that they were good movies, but added absolutely nothing to the overall narrative?it?s as though they were tacked on.

T4 though?it actually looks really cool. The whole ?going back in time to stop Sarah/John Conner from being killed? got kind of old and it will be great to see the world of the future where Cyborgs rule the world.

Hoping that chick from my so-called life isn?t in it though? 

Nah she won't be in it neither actor that played john or kate will be in this one.

I didn't see it mentioned here, but more fantastic news in the last few days (or, err, week)!, Jonathan Nolan is writing the story.

That's Chris's brother!, the guy who co-wrote The Dark Knight!

I had no idea he was even involved at all.

I was reading an article, can't remember where, that stated McG said at comic con that terminator 4 could be an r-rated film despite him initially saying they were going for pg-13. Thought some of you people complaining about a pg-13 rating would like that. Though I still think if it gets an R it would be heavily edited ala Die Hard 4 to get a pg-13 rating. Than an unrated dvd. But anything is possible. :smoking:

None of us did! It was only announced at Comic-con, so 'twas. Great news though, eh? He also wrote the short story that became Memento!

He basically said that there were two people that wanted, or at least were pressing for, pg-13. But other than that, he's got the freedom to make the film that he wants. If it's pg-13, then it's pg-13. If it's not... Well, then it's not.

Wow, great news. This gets better and better.

http://rss.warnerbros.com/terminatorsalvation/2008/07/comiccon_poster.html

i can hardly wait

who is gonna play kyle reece?

since someone has to or else the entire thing would be a paradox if he wasnt in it.

i bet your regretting saying that now?

Here's a very cool new promo image!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=50815

Thanks, really looking forward to seeing this.

It looks as they are getting it right, the atmoshphere, the horrifying terminators...still curious about the actors. :peace:

This info is old, but apparently a new guy called Roland Kickinger is going to play Arnold's role as the T800.

Link here (http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/07/17/roland-kickinger-filling-in-for-schwarzenegger-in-terminator-salvation/)

damn he really looks like Arnold.

i hope atleast when they quit making TERMINATOR movies that Arnold comes back one last time and does at least something in the 5th or 6th or however long they're going to make this one last.

does anyone know if they are going to go with the TV show or are they going to ignor it all together?

I'm pretty sure that this takes place in the future from the tv show, so they probably will have no references.

From the way I understand it is that the show is it's own separate thing  from the films really.

thats stupid, they should go with the show or the show with the movies so that way it doesn't make all the Terminator fans and movie goers to go " What? "

It's not really stupid. THe show is it's own thing just like comic and games .

i'm saying that its stupid because people are going to get confused about the two unless they have an episode or a movie that says directly that the show goes one way becuase thats one posible out come to the future and that the movie is another posible out come but i think eventually the two should kind of meet.

i'm saying that they should do that because most people that are new to this story line will get confused and then not watch anymore


i hope the best for both, i love this show and movie :peace:

Considering the show didnt follow T2, and completly ignors T3, I dont think there will be a problem if T4 ignors the show.

I've been a life-long Terminator fan, but even I was turned off when I first read about T4. 

Arnold out, Bale in?  Horrible trade.

even if they do go with what you just said, in the end you will be say... "what :headscratch:"

Bale isn't taking Arnold's role.

Ja. It's ROOLANDDDDDDD KICKINGERRRRRR! :headbanger:

I have so  low expectations about this that I can't get disappointed atleast.

Hoping there is a good outcome to be had from Mcg + Bale team up is like  putting couple of layers of shit inside your favorite cheese burger and hoping the outcome is still tasty.

Terminator isn't just Arnold as a brand. ;)
Yet, he did act the terminator in way that will be forever unmatched.

I definintly think they are able to make great t-movies, maybe better ones, with good directing and acting.

There is more terminators to impersonate, t1000 which I think was played exellent, the T-X and so on.

I am looking forward to this.

It is a franchise one is familiar with.

Right, but Bale is horrible IMO.  A Terminator movie with him and not Arnold no matter his role turns me off right away. 

Bruce Wayne/Batman was the weakest character in The Dark Knight.

i think Bale is a fine actor.

what we should be more worried about is that for some reason the studio picked a director who has a grand total of THREE films under his belt, 2 of those being Charlie's Angels movies.  :nervous:

still looking forward to it tho.

Yeah, Bale fucking sucks. He has never done any other roles than Batman. He turns me on right away.

Bale is actually a pretty decent actor.
As for T4 , well we will see in a few months how it is. can't. be any worse then T3

Precisely.

Bale is a good actor, not great but good. People who think he sucks should see The Machinist.

new trailer, shown in Japan:

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=51189

looking good.

Can't see the trailer, godamn!

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x66eya_terminator-salvation-trailer_shortfilms

this is the only one online right now.

That looks almost exactly like the teaser trailer.

because it is the teaser trailer. the one i posted was much longer, it was around 2 minutes long. but it got pulled. hopefully a new trailer will surface soon.

Oh ok, darn i'm bummed i missed it before it got pulled.

here we go, the official trailer:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/terminatorsalvation/

The official trailer is up in HI RES enjoy!  : ok: http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/terminatorsalvation/

Damn dude you beat me by seconds.  :hihi:

^lol wow.


this looks pretty damn cool. the plot is interesting, it seems like its a little more than just the war between the machines and humans, as connor says "this is not the future my mother told me about". here is the all thats been said about the actual plot.


"Set in post-apocalyptic 2018, John Connor (Christian Bale), the man fated to be the leader of the human resistance against Skynet and its army of Terminators, and the future he was raised to believe in is altered in part by the appearance of Marcus Wright (Sam Worthington), a stranger whose last memory is of being on death row. Connor must decide whether Marcus has been sent from the future, or rescued from the past. As Skynet prepares its final onslaught, Connor and Marcus both embark on an odyssey that takes them into the heart of Skynet's operations, where they find out a terrible secret that may lead to the possible annihilation of mankind."

I like what i saw in that trailer. It really looks like it will be good. May can't come soon enough.

Yeah it looks good, and it also goes into a new direction compared to the other 3.

It looks pretty awesome, i can't wait to see this!!!!

interesting how the movie also has an asian girl in it....

hmm, the trailer looked AMAZING, but not an immediate fan of this "twist" with Marcus Wright.    Adding in new elements is cool, but I hope they don't deviate too much from the story we've all come to know at this point....

but the story can change. thing that have happened in the past have change the way the future may be.

ehhhhh, i guess so.... but then it's kinda like there is no reason the first few movies even needed to happen!?!??!  Changing it TOO much from the original would be stupid and prob piss off a lot of fans.

Considering that the story of the 2nd movie is about changing their own story, I think the fans will understand....

I liked the future war depicted in the first two movies better.

This one doesnt look as cool, visually.

yeah , but this is also the begining. Even in the trailer John says how this isn't like he was told it would be.

Jury is still out Trailers can be deceiving. 

They could of left the set looking cool like the first two though.

I mean the exceptional quality of the set on T2's future war scene is fucking EPIC

but we don't know really how fair into the future war those scenes would be.

I have a feeling over the other two movies of the new series you will see that stuff.

Yeah this movie is just early on in the war in 2018. We'll have to see how it progresses in the next two. We don't know how far in the future the flashback scenes in T2 and the original are supposed to be. So that can explain why it doesn't look like that in T4 yet.

here's another new article on it:

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=50798

They're already talking about the next movie!!!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=51301

I'm skeptical about this flick because of the lack of ARNOLD, but ill give it a shot. Hope it's better than i expect

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40287

New theatrical trailer.

A nin song is in the trailer.

Yep i noticed that too. Appropriate song too i think.

Very cool trailer. Seems a bit CGI heavy though.

Im waiting on that age rating still before i decide whether this should be awesome or not.

Why?  Its not like theres never been a great PG 13 movie before.

Yeah i think it looks really cool. The age rating doesn't matter much to me if its R or PG-13. I mean Live Free Or Die Hard was PG-13 and still very good.

awesome trailer.. this movie is gonna be better than a lot of people think!

I find this comment from February 2008 to be kind of funny....

I am very skeptical of this movie also. It looks like it could be decent but I dunno.

There is a rumor floating around that Christian Bale originally turned down the movie role. MCG asked what do i gotta do? And bale said make the movie be able to be done on a stage with no special effects. So he went out and hired Nolan to do some rewrites and than Bale read it and signed on.

Hopefully that means the movie will have a cohesive and interesting story and not just explosion after explosion.  :smoking:

I have to say that this movie was truly spectacular. I watched it two times in the cinema, I loved it both times. Visually it's stunning. A truly post-apocalyptic landscape with terminators and other killing machines roaming around freely with the surviving humans scattered around in small groups of resistance. The rest are put in enormous prison camps. We get much more insight into this future world in this movie than in the previous ones, where the action takes place in the present. This time we get to see it all. The terminators are many, and they are ever-present throughout the movie. Yes, those metal-skeleton ones we love so much to see, and they are savage as hell. It's a very impressive movie, and one that I would recommend to anyone. If you have watched the other Terminator movies or you just want one hell of an action adventure, this is a must-see. Movie of the year.

i dug on it also. Wish it had been a higher rating though. But for the most part it was great, a lil bit of cheese, but nothing major.

also i liked how they got GNR in there, and also Alice In Chains which was very unexpected by done very well.

Seriously???  I saw it and thought it was one of the dumbest movies I've ever seen, and I'm a fan of the franchise!  Without giving too much away, the events of the final third of the movie are so ridiculously inept I actually laughed aloud at the preposterousness of it all.  The story throughout is a disjointed jumbled mess with poor pacing and even worse dialogue.

There are also a few Dr Evil style "just fucking kill him!" moments were these ultimate killing machines make such a friggin meal of "terminating" someone it's a miracle the war had lasted 5 minutes.

Utter tripe and an embarrassment to the first 2 films (3 was so-so).

You liked 3 better than this one?

I thought the fourth part was pretty cool. A bit too cold and steely but it suited the movie ok. The plot was decent too and the MotoTerminators were awesome. All in all not as great as T2 but a good instalment in the chain.

Tough call between the 2, neither has much charm IMO!!!

With 4, I just particularly couldn't get passed a couple of really hideously bad moments near the end of the movie.  I don't want to throw out spoilers and mention them, but if you've seen it you'll know what I mean.

Mention them!  The movie has been out long enough....

Overall I enjoyed the 4th film... like someone already said, the scenes with Alice in Chains & GN'R (especially the tie in with the terminators locating them with the sound) were awesome.

Someone help me out here though, is Skynet looking for Kyle Reese because he is part of the resistance, or because he is John's father?  I think in the movie they said he is "#1 on the civiliian list being targeted by Skynet"... if that's the case, it doesn't make any sense at all.  Looking back at the first three movies, it seems to me that Skynet is NEVER aware that Kyle is John's father.  Furthermore, if they somehow DO know this.... why would they "capture" Reese instead of just putting a bullet in his head ASAP?

It also occurs to me while I'm typing this that in the 3rd movie, Arnold was "selected" to kill John in the future because of his childhood attachment to his model... this is something else that Skynet couldn't possibly know?  Also, when time travel is developed, why doesn't John just take a sports almanac back in time and give it to himself?

Skynet wants Reese because he's John's father. Remember in Part 4, John hasn't yet send Reese back in time to Part 1. So if Skynet kills Reese, no more John Conner. The first three movies show the events before Skynet is created so we don't know whether it is 'aware' of the fact or not. It delays killing Reese since it knows  that John Conner will try and rescue him. Sort of use him as bait and get two birds with one stone, so to speak. The Reese - Conner relationship is sort of like the Grandfather Paradox.


The way I understand it is that Skynet has the same information about the events leading into Part 4 as Conner himself.

you mean sneaking into skynet part? which even i thought would be impossible.

However the majority of the film rocked. and shit all over the horrid third one.

That is a minor plot hole in an other wise swiss cheese laden clusterfuck!!!

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Like the fact Skynet is so sensitive they can lure out Terminators from miles away with a radio, yet they can total half a forest when they are chasing the cyborg and not a peep.

I mean defibrillation with broken cable?  Heart transplant out in the wilderness with a doner that just happens to be compatible?  Those scenes just blew my brains for their complete stupidity.

All the really lame shoe-horned tributes to the previous movies.  They were all without fail, clumsy and cringe-worthy.

Why lure Conner into Skynet when they have Kyle Reese?  Just kill Reese and Conner fails to exist?

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Nothing will beat the first movie, what an atmosphere and coreography it had.

There is a lot of great scenes and moments in t4, but the plot, story, casting and acting was disapointing.

How is that possible?  The only way they could know that information is if Skynet watched the first three films... Since you obviously can't learn something in the future, Skynet must have discovered this information in the past, but at what point?  All the Terminators sent back in time were wiped out and even if they DID know Reese was sent back in the first movie, they wouldn't know he knocked up Sarah Conner?  Skynet should be as oblivious to this point as Reese himself.

If they fixed that, it also solves the problem Leddy asked of "Just kill Reese and Conner fails to exists"?  This is the plot hole that irritates me the most because they could have done more with the movie IMO if Skynet didn't mysteriously know information from the past movies.

You are getting confused. In the future and present, you already know the past. You know today what happened yesterday right? When Skynet comes online,
John Conner already exists and it only surmises that it has enough information about Sarah and John Conner (From public records, databases whatever). However it doesn't know John Conner will become important until the future. You might however, say that it's because of Skynet and the Resistance and Kyle being sent back that John Conner is born in the first place. This is unexplained and is called a time paradox.



Skynet doesn't want to just kill Conner, it has some plans for Reese as well (There's a scene with Reese on the table with a Terminator guarding him). Maybe something to do with the Resistance. Using him to lure Conner is an additional reason. The machines want to kill Conner in the future since there is no guarantee that killing Reese will make Conner just 'disappear'.


It's the future. Maybe they have drugs to solve the compatibility problem. They don't show the actual operation so you don't know
where it was done and by how many doctors.

I'm not saying what I said are the actual reasons. Just a few possibilities.

Right, in fact... until John becomes the leader of the Resistance and a threat to Skynet, they should not care at all who John Connor or Kyle Reese are.  I'm absolutely sure that since John Connor is aware from a child that he is the future leader of humanity, he doesn't have a record in some hospital that says "Kyle Reese from the future is my father"... not that a hopsital would keep a record of someone from the future being his father anyways.

I understand there is a time paradox involved, but that's not what the complaint is.  The only information Skynet could possibly have about Kyle Reese in the T4 present is that he was born like any other regular person and lived his life up to that point.  He has not become John's father yet and Skynet has no source from the past to inform them that he will eventually BECOME John's father.  The only person who should know that is John.... and what sucks is the story works better if they took this into account.

I think Sarah Conners ranting and raving about EVERYTHING  on video tape might have tipped Skynet off. 

sorry to interupt/get off toic of disscussion but will there be another Terminator? i was just wondering cause after i saw #3 in theaters a week later i knew there was gonna be a 4th but what about a 5th?

....and does anyone else think the're gonna go about numbering the movies like star wars? cause in the "4th" movie there was a lot of blanks from the 3rd till the new one, so maybe it'll be like 123 789 456? or some shit like that maybe ???

There's going to be a trilogy, appearantly. Reinventing the series. This has been confirmed by several official sources. I don't know, however, if Christian Bale has signed on for all three movies or not, I'll have to find out. But the same company, who recently aquired the rights for future Terminator movies, will produce the next movies too so it's quite possible that McG will direct all of them, which I wouldn't mind personally. I was more than happy with the job he did on this one. So it looks like we have a lot of Terminator to look forward to in the years to come. 8) P.S. The next one is reported to be planned for release in 2011. Appearently the plan was to wait, but the success of this movie got them to want to release it early, according to sources. Which is great news for us. 8)

Yes, there is a 5th part. I think they shot some scenes for it in parallel with Salvation, but I'm not sure.

Agreed.

T1 came had no frills. It was all about the story and the characters.

I'm pretty sure that Bale is one who already signed on for 3 movies but i guess we shall see.

it's made about 360 million total so far (the 4th movie), so I'd call it a success...

And it also had this thriller/horror theme to it at times.

They are making 3 more of it?
Frigging Holywood milking money off everything, no artistic integrity it seems.

No, two more a 5th and 6th to show the whole war.

awesome  :smoking:

i actually hope we get to see more of a war in those ones. Similar to the start of Terminator 2.

NEWSFLASH: They already did, in this one, in case you missed the whole movie!

news  to me.

Hardly saw a battle on the epic scale. most of the time it was John Connor n Kyle VS the world.

I wanna see soldoiers fighting masses of machines n vehicles like in T2!!!

Me too, I loved that war we saw on both 1 and 2.

Very true, I thought that's what this one was gunna' be all about and it quite angered me when that didn't occur.

I doubt we will see another movie any time soon.  This movie was plagued with re-writes that caused way too many inconsistencies, which led to bad word of mouth and a somewhat disappointing box office for Warner Bros. I liked enough of the movie, but it did have too many problems to restart the franchise with.  Blame Bale.

Terminator 5 slated for 2011. Who knows?

So I would Like to hear everyone's theory of the "How could Kyle Be John's father to begin with" in this thread...because when it comes down to it...to me that's the only thing about the story at this point that they could truely fuck up. Waiting to hear your thoughts.

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Kyle is always Johns father. John always sends him back in time. Simple as that.

I understand the situation but thats whats known as a paradox. I guess my real question is how do you believe that the paradox started to begin with due to a paradox being an unatural event and all?

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To buy into the movie, you have to believe in time travel. To believe in time travel, you have to buy into the paradox.  Each time travel movie sets up its own kind of "rules". As long as the movie sticks by those rules, its fine.
 

I totally agree, but was just wanting to hear if anyone had any ideas that pertain to said rules.

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Are you saying that nothing can be changed through time travel then?  That hasn't been the "rule" in the Terminator movies. 

John must have had a different father in one "alternate reality", but once he sent Kyle back the first time a loop was started.

My brain hurts.

Again, John NEVER has another father.  Kyle is ALWAYS Johns father.  Its a circle. no beginning, no end.

There is a beginnig to it all...that's how this whole thing got started. I mean let us not forget who started the series...James Cameron! Now I know he is no longer involved, but he set the stage for this whole thing. Every story has a beginnig and an end.

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wonder what the next ones will be called The Quest for More Money :rofl:

Sad but true

i dont care what the next title is, ill still go and see it.

Sad but true again

Hopefully next time they will pick one of the former John Conners and stick with him

I think as long as they end the story the right way it won't totally suck.

At this point I'm questioning when it will end it could be in 2 years could be in 20 either way they will use dirty tatics like changing the actor playing the key role in all the movies it's kind of funny how he's the key to the survival to the human race when if he's ever confronted by a decent termator basicly he just runs away at least in 4 people can't say he didn't fight :rofl:

So true. He's not much of a leader yet, but who knows in the next movies he might step it up...god I just hope the next two are at least a little better than the last one.

Hell I don't think he's every been much of a leader but I give him a pass from childhood up to the final days of being a teenager but as an adult he should have been a bit more brave like in 3 but at least in 4 he's not chased by a bitch that can't die just a funcking army of termanators and other crazy shit

jd you dont have to quote SAC all the time. do it too much and Adz will get on your ass  :rofl:

Ok then

Ya it's hard to stand up to any army of terminators, but I have to agree the current JC is kind of a wuss. If only James Cameron could've done 3 and then ended it! Why god...why!

It's simple the people that made termanator got greedy and made up a new future where basicly everything they fought for up to that point is almost lost a easy attenion seeking movie to make a few bucks they don't care about anything but the money

All too true my friend.

Are you looking forward to James Cameron's "Avatar"?

Actualy I am he dose look vary good in this movie I don't like his voice though

Schwarzenegger Says Terminator 5 Starts Filming Early 2014!

TheArnoldFans is in Australia for the next few days covering Arnold Schwarzenegger's big visit and his participation in the 21st Century Financial Education Summit. Schwarzenegger is speaking at various locations and seminars but it hasn't been all talk about business entrepreneurs and sports leaders because Arnold did talk a little about his next big film. "Terminator 5 starts filming early 2014," said the T-800 star himself and even said production would begin in January or February. Schwarzenegger also told us he would receive a final script for Terminator 5 and Triplets (a sequel to Twins) in the next couple of weeks.


good opportunity to have a new GNR song on it?

Can't wait :smoking:

Wow, this sounds like its going to be a blockbuster and THE film to see. I love all of the Terminator franchise and even thought the chronicles series was cool, can't wait.

Nice, the first video is an absolute masterpiece. The 3rd is ok, but gets ruined by the worst John Connor ever and the 4th doesn't have good scripting or acting for the futuristic warriors imo.

Love this scene from the 1st one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1bd5-AX9Wo

nah, the third is shit, but it's not Nick Stahl's fault at all, he's a
great actor, loved him on Carniv?le, one of my fave tv show.

just hope Arnie will ask a song to Axl for the movie...

I really liked Kristanna loken (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CLIWyKuHiQ someone used wttj in a t3 fanvid) and arnold in t3. The atmosphere of the movie was ok too. When it comes to Nick Stahl, it is not him but the weak charracterisation of John Connor, which is the writers fault.


That would make sense for them both. YCBM >>> OMG >>> new song ;D

Couple new articles came out about the new films...including a release date!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=105916

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=81941

Nice the released is on June 26, 2015. Less than two years to go. Nice to Arnold making another Terminator since the last one could have been a lot better. I' sure Arnold would like this to be a big hit since his come back movie this year "The Last Stand" did not do that well is the box office but I feel was a good action movie. Would be cool to have a Guns N' Roses song in the movie and even a new one maybe. Who knows in two years we could have a new album out.  :beer:

I have a love/hate relationship with the Terminator franchise.  I believe T2 is arguably the best action movie of all time (Predator might have something to say about that) and Terminator is excellent.  T3 while a huge step down from T2 wasn't that bad.  T4 was a god awful piece of shit and I have hated it since it was released.  Hopefully T5 comes back strong. 

The Sarah Connor Chronicles on Fox I thought was awesome.  I loved that show and I am still disappointed it was cancelled.  Anyone else watch it?

I was initially hesitant watching Sarah Connor Chronicles, it seemed like it could have been cheesy but it ended up being quite excellent, especially toward the end of the last season.  The characters, interaction and new angles on the Terminator universe really made it great, not just the action.  Very sad it was cancelled, it was really going somewhere.
I really hope that they can capture some of the spirit of the show in the new movie!