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Ok, shoot it down or go with it, but I'd like to here a studio or live version of the now to be Guns N Roses playing AFD songs. After the NY shows I've now come to the agreement in my mind that this band is what was once again and that is GNR. WELL DONE GUYS! And before you start to cry about the New material- new cd keep in mind just your thoughts on the topic!

in an interview with kurt loder back in 1999 axl mentioned that the new band re-recorded appetite along with YCBM and patience

wasnt that for buckethead and co to learn the old songs etc, he has scrapped the recording of AFD im sure i read .......

be intresting to hear it though

That would be the worst thing EVER in the history of rock n roll as far as i'm concerned. You can't improve on perfection! Only those too young and dumb to understand would want AFD re-recorded with these hired hands.  :rant:

I'd just want to hear it for Axl re-recorded Vox.  Releasing it would be carreer suicide.

I know there's alot of other things he wants to cover but I think doing this would complete the band as one in the sound department.   

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That would be the worst thing EVER in the history of rock n roll as far as i'm concerned. You can't improve on perfection! Only those too young and dumb to understand would want AFD re-recorded with these hired hands. :rant:

No,  you need to see it for yourself, Robin's playing is more than I can tell you! It's all about now! Get your old head phones off and go to the show. I thought the samething you did until I went to NY show. Trust me THEY ROCK   

The new band is good, but you can't redo the originals. I think re-releasing AFD would be the worst move possible. It would turn the tide for many old fans like myself.  This new GNR would lose credibility instantly and not be able to establish themselves. Hey look at Linkin Park. I thought their first album was descent. Then they re-released it and it was horrible! They lost all creditability for casual fans. Plus, they mocked Sweet Child which YOU NEVER want to do.  Back  to the point at hand, Axl realizes that his new band needs to release CD and other new material.

Your right! I never thought of it that way but I got to admit,  they do a great job live.

Axl is on a roll right now.

16,000 tickets sold in a few minutes
DJ's foaming to interview him
Fight at a club----its in every paper in the country
Headlining Festivals
Fans, DJs, celebrities, sports stars are acting like he is the only ROCKSTAR in the world.

We might have to admit....Axl fucking knows his business : ok:

That would be an insult to the old band.
They wrote those songs not these new guys.

AFD redux should be released over the net for free, a special import CD, or b-sides to singles, if they would do it at all.  These are their songs now. They have put their own stamp on the songs, they play them live, they are associated with them, so they can do what they want. I'd be interested.

I don't think putting it out as an album would be a good idea though. It should be for the die hard fan. Newbies should identify this line up with the songs they created, more than the old songs.

Your insane if you think the AFD are associated with the new line up, get real people im kinda scared with some posters here.

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

I'd like to here a studio version of AFD by the new band. A live version wouldn't mean that much to me I think.

I'd also like to hear it, but I would never want to see it released... Then the mainstream public, will start to compare the two, and the new band, although they're excellent, wouldn't survive... The new version could be just like or even more up to date (music wise), which might make it good, but it can simply never have that 1987 vibe, of a bunch of guys that just known eachother for a few years and landed a major record deal.... A new version can simply never out do original AFD...

Some people here are all about Finck and not about Slash I guess.  I don't get it personally, they both play very differently.  While slash brings the blues Finck brings that kinda Kurt Cobain sound to his bends.  Finck has great emotion when he plays some parts and it is very deep and I like it in moderation, but when he goes faster he comes out as sloppy.  But I don't understand how people prefer the AFD songs with Finck's style over Slash's style, that is beyond me.   I was hoping with bucket gone they'd finally get the solo's right.  Fortus should just play every lead on the old songs.

To my ears it's like hearing Rachmaninov's Piano Concerto No. 3 in D Minor in an out of tune piano. 

Yeah he does a decent job on the SCOM studio recording but even when I play it to people unfamiliar with the material they know it's not Slash.

No Fincked up AFD should be released, only the new stuff. 

i have to say as being a life long gnr listener from like 1987 i would never want AFD re-recorded or UYI, that was old GNR and thats the way is should stay. of course they have to play them and maybe put out a live recording of the songs with the new gnr but the old records need to stay old gnr, you cant and shouldnt try to something that made you famous in the first place, that cd is legendary and should never be redone. however i do agree the new gnr is great just not great enough to rerecord AFD and then put it out for public listening.

We ve all heard the AFD songs played live during 2002 and 2006.  And I thought the band played the hell out of those songs, they sounded great.  But I don't think re-releasing AFD is necessary, Id much rather prefer a live CD after the NYC shows, the European Tour, and the Fall NA tour.  GNR should be concerned with releasing new material.  This Xmas CD, the Hammerstein DVD and possibly a live cd should be released

GNR = Gnr songs... So yeah, they're associated with the old songs.

I'll admit I prefer Finck over Slash. Not that I don't love Slash, but Robin is what got me interested in GNR again.

should be on internet not released

              The new G'n'R needs to release " New " albums. Not hits redone like AFD which is called a modern day classic. Some doubt this new Guns n Roses already. Re-recording AFD would be a big nail for them.

I definitely don't want to hear AFD re-recorded, however I would really like to see AFD remastered.  The sound quality compared to cds today is poor.  UYI not much better.

They wanted a raw sound, not too polished. 

True, but I'm not talking about the rawness.  I'm talking about enhancing the sound quality.  For instance, if you listen to a modern cd released today like the new Pearl Jam than listen to AFD after, you have to raise the volume to get the same sound level.  I wouldn't want them to clean up the raw sound, just make it sound as if it had been recorded the same way using today's technology.

give it away or for download.. but dont release it

Or maybe an iTunes or GN'R fanclub special?

I agree, but in the event of I agree with the post quoted below.

Yeah, this new band should re-record AFD, then Lies, then UYI 1 & 2, and then TSI, and then... just maybe, they'll be accepted as GN'R... NOT! :hihi:

Yeah, it shouldn't be released.... maybe give it away as a bonus disc or give it away on the net. Only reason I would like to hear it is you hear Buckethead on some of the solos... like nightrain.

No BH on it, Finck is on it.

Don't get me wrong, I fucken LOVE the new lineup I love the old one too, but new AFD should NEVER be released, it's a discredit to the old band that they might not have been talented enough to play those songs properly, and it's an insult to the new guys to suggest they can't write well enough. I understand what people are saying, It might be nice to hear a new twist on the material, but you can get boots all over the net. maybe the free download idea. But if Axl tried to release it as a cd, Id lose all respect for him. (If anyone needs to know what "school" I'm in, I'm 22, always liked rock, got the CDs quite late (about 7 years ago I think) so abviously never got to see the originals, but wish i had. I'd say I'm a die-hard that started late.)

big time!

I certainly dont want anything of the kind

AFD is perfect as it is and I have no desire to hear this bands take on it
The mere suggestion is an insult to Guns N Roses and their fans

However, a remastered/repackaged version is long overdue

Ohh I could care less then..only think different would be Axl's voice and an udated sound... not enough to really interest me because the first one is perfect.

It should be a bonus disc on Chinese Democracy...

I think most fans would even blast a bonus disc b/c of axl's "aged" voice on the old songs.  I'm not saying it's "bad" on sweet child big daddy, which a lot of people do say sometimes, but it's not the same as 1987.  His voice was a young fresh howling monster on appetite, and now its a kind old beast which has grown mature and wiser, yet like on better, can still get pissed off. 

I say leave Axl's available vocals to new songs where it fits fresh in your memory and is uncomparable to its youth.  That way people won't be able to say it's not what it used to be, but will say... this is damn good.   

Well, I wouldn't want AFD re-recorded by the new band.  However, the Hammerstein shows proved beyond a doubt - to me, at least - that the current GnR can stand on their own, and - if the performance I saw was any indication - they're going to put out some amazing music in the future.  Leave AFD in the past where it belongs, great as it is, and bring on Chinese Democracy.

Well he is isn't he... ;)

At least the only one left with any cred.

It would be a cool bonus for the fans  8)

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how bout he just focus on CD, im fuckin tired of waitin and its drained the life out of me to not listen to the leaks and i just want an album out, i can listen to AFD whenever i want

All I want is to here the New band jam on the old songs with Axl's voice today. I'd like to here the new guys version, I really don't care what some of you fucken think. I was there in 87' they flat out took over and ran like the wind. Nobody could compair and still Nobody can! I'd like todays version and if its a bonus, I'll take it! The new band is really good and I want there new material too. Guns N' Roses feeds from Axl's Attitude don't forget it!  He's a fucken STAR..............

Humm ;D

I can see that elements of AFD's production are a little clunky now, in that its a 1980s recording. (NB: I'm refering to the production only, I love the old band, and the songs, and the album rocks, its a true classic) - so like in a dream world it would be nice to hear it redone with modern recording techniques that would capture more how GNR actually sounded when playing those songs live.

However...in the real world (not my dream senario) I think it would be a terrible idea because:

1. It would (with reason) create *even more* debate and comparisions with the new and old band, which to me would add less focus on listening to great songs and more on fights and crap.

2. Axl's voice has a different tonality to it these days. I'm not saying its worse or better, just that it would sound a little different. To some it might sound better, others worse, endless debate and distraction, see point 1.

3. Musically it would be a waste I feel. I mean, ok maybe axl thinks those songs were never put down quite as well as he would have liked, but at least theres a tollerable version out there (note I say that with a cringe cos to me its like one of the best albums of all time not just tollerable! LOL) - but in terms of production - the version has been out there sucessfully, its not like the recording is so bad its murdered the songs and made people think that good material was a pile of crap. So like - given theres only ever going to be a certain amount of material released before an artist dies - it seems better to work on new stuff - rather than repaint portraints that are already considered masterpieces just cos new brushes have since been invented.

4. I dont dispute the new band rock out now. They are cool - i'm not kocking them. And being the current line up of GNR - they have every right to play all of GNR's back catalogue live and stuff. However, it also remains that (axl aside) these are not the guys that wrote these songs. This means an AFD recorded with the new band is basicly a cover album at best. Now some cover albums are cool (I love TSI even tho its trendy to bash it) - but really - a cover album at this stage is a waste of the kickass abilities of the new band. I mean come on - we've heard songs that have rocked my world like IRS, better, maddagascar - such awesome songs - lets focus on recording more unreal new stuff to add to the world - so that what future generations will look back on is like 10 great GNR albums rather than just a few.

5. I think it would be bad PR for Axl. (Although maybe he doesn't care!) - but i mean theres a perception amongst some people that the lack of releases for the last 10-15 years whatever it is now, means he is done. So releasing songs that are 20 years old, would just create a bit of a "has been vibe" - kinda like going to see jaws 57, its like it just gives you the idea that these people have given all they have creatively - and now all thats left is to rehash what they've done. NB: Please dont flame me for this, i'm just saying SOME people would hold that view. I personally think AXL is the best front man of all time, a truely great musician, and i'm SURE he has amazing songs lined up for the future. I love the new material that i've heard - it shows that he could write amzing songs for many years to come that would be true classics. I'm just saying, although we think he is great, many out there dont, and releasing an old album not new material would fuel the fires of those that want to hate.

6. Its history and should be respected for being a product of its time. Its a bit like when speilberg decided to re-do ET and remove the swearing and the guns. Or lucas' endless tinkering with the original starwars films. AFD was a classic album and has entered the public conciousness as such. For this reason alone - messing with it is strange for people - it wouldn't matter now good the new versions were - if the solo doesnt sound the same, or the vocals the same - then its not the versions of the classic songs we all know. Maybe they'd be better or worse - but to me and thousands like me - right or wrong - those songs exist as they are on the album - and any other version i heard would maybe sound cool -  but still incorrect - because like "its not how the song goes" now in my head. I think what i'm trying to say is that in a way - once a song becomes famous - the ownership of a song goes from the artist to the general public (as a lawyer i know this isn't true legally - but i'm talking more mentally) - you know - like Rocket Queen is no longer Axl's song in a sence - its a song of Axls that millions of people now know and have their own connection to. So like hypotheticly - if he was to rerecord it with a totally new outtro and dump the existing ending (i stress - there is no plan of this nature - its just an example) - the millions like us would be singing the old ending in our heads. I suspect i'm rambling and making no sence. I'm just saying some art, like starwars in movies and and like AFD in records, becomes iconic and exists in public conciousness in its original form that way - and so to try and modify it, to my mind is not a good thing to do.

So summing up - I really hope they don't redo AFD - but rather make CD and a bunch of other soon to be classic albums.

Here is another thought i had. Someone suggested having AFD2 tracks as b-sides. To be that would be a really insidious thing to do, cos your messing with the casual fan then. You know like say madagascar becomes a huge hit in the style of NR, so that millions of non GNR fans hear it. So they rush out and buy the single. There on the back (or track 2 i guess these days) is like "Mr Brownstone" (new band). Being a new kid - they dont have AFD yet, So they think its the only version of the song and if they meet a GNR fan and talk GNR they think they know what song he likes when he say that one. Ok - i'm not making any sence cos i'm too tried. But i just think its pretty weird. its like fucking with history and the sence of who made songs and when  they were made.

Roll on the new albums instead!

I agree,I don't think I'd want to hear the new band re-record the old songs for a studio album,they do them live so that's good enough.

There was a rerecorded version of SCOM on the credits to big daddy I think it was. That's the only place I've ever heard it, it's not on the soundtrack and as far as i know, never been officially released. I think that song would be a fair indicator of how the new AFD sounds.
If anyone has that song... you know  ;)

Legal issues with the old band would prevent its release even if Axl wanted. He would need permission from the other 4 guys, which there is no chance of happening. If the Donnington reunion concerts had happened and all the rights to the songs handed over to Axl, then it would be possible.  But right now, no way!

I don't think it's necessary anyway. We can hear the new band's take on the songs from the live bootlegs. No need for a studio version. I think some guy remastered all those songs from live bootlegs and took out crowd noises to make a new AFD, i'm sure it would be easily found.