Bootlegging Illegal?

[Malcolm]

Is it illegal to sell one of the shows i download off easytree on ebay or something?..Ive seen people selling them jw if its illegal?

[chineseblues]

yep it is.

[jemin]

Bootlegging (recording and selling) is illegal period, unless given permission by the band.

[Cowboy Buddha]

what if i give it to someone

[Pandora]

what if i give it to someone

You can do that as much as you want    But selling......no 

[F.D.N.A.]

Is it illegal to sell one of the shows i download off easytree on ebay or something?..Ive seen people selling them jw if its illegal?

  i don't know

[jarmo]

I think the whole bootleg thing is basically illegal, but most bands don't seem to care unless somebody is making money of it.

If you download a show for free and then sell it, then you're definitely gonna make some people upset.





/jarmo

[chineseblues]

I think the whole bootleg thing is basically illegal, but most bands don't seem to care unless somebody is making money of it.

If you download a show for free and then sell it, then you're definitely gonna make some people upset.





/jarmo

and prolly get banned from the trackers

[Cowboy Buddha]

so pretty much if you try to make a profit out of it yourself is illegal.

[Malcolm]

Do many people get caught?

[yomomma]

it's only illegal if the band cares.gn'r don't care so do what you gotta do.i know alot of people are gonna get pissed at me for saying that but shit i was selling gn'r for years on e-bay and not one notice or letter or anything.i sold to duff's wife n' buckethead and not 1 problem.now on the other hand once upon a time i was selling the mike tyson's fights on dvd and showtime contacted me and told me to stop or else.i honestly believe gn'r does not care 1 bit about the selling of thier shows.i never sold anything that they were selling so maybe that's all that counts.i guess what it comes down to is that if it's copyrighted then it would be illegal but the police won't just come after you because they have cars to pull over n' seatbelts to watch so they have to be pointed in the right direction n' if the band or record company doesn't point then...and yes trading and giving is still illegal because your still distributing copyrighted material,it's just the chances of anybody caring goes down a bit.i personally don't worry about things like that i leave that up to the gn'r police like limiluis.limilus was hired by the band to stop the selling so if he see's you selling your gonna get yelled at!!! watch out!!!  sorry but he just kills me.he spends so much time to stop this n' it just won't go away.try stopping the coke dealers,well no that's probably legal in your country.another point is that the copyright laws are probably different in each country.seems like in japan it's legal to take a show and put it on a silver cd with a cover and label n' call it an original.i think that is complete bullshit that the "big traders" say that's ok because all it is is a coverup,hell i can make silver originals you can buy them online for about the same price.any show that was not released by the band is an illegal product,period.so don't say silver cd's (original,no sorry but it's not)are ok!!!!

[jarmo]

You're making money of somebody else's work. It's really easy. First somebody needs to record the show (and risk getting kicked out and his/her equipment taken away), then somebody needs to put it on a DVD/CD/online so you can get it. Then you take that work, burn it on a disc and make a nice profit.

What's wrong with this picture?

Taper tapes the show for free
He/she authors a DVD for free
He/she puts it online to share with other fans for free
You download the show for free and sell it on Ebay.




/jarmo

[Pandora]

I think the main beef traders have with selling is that the original tapers invested money in their equipment, took the risk of bringing it into the venue and sometimes took the time to tweak the recording afterwards. And then they shared it, most of the time for free, when they could have kept it for themselves. Seeing other people making money off their back probably doesn't push them to share other recordings in the future, and it kills the whole thing.
Oh, and "official" bootleg companies like Aces High have no more right selling live recordings than the average Joe, IMO.

[Pandora]

Shit, Jarmo beat me to the punch 

[jarmo]

Don't act so surprised. 



/jarmo

[Pandora]

Eat me.

Note the subtle variation on that trademark AG phrase 

[Christos AG]

Eat me.

Note the subtle variation on that trademark AG phrase?

Oh Yeah...
 

[jarmo]

I'm gonna delete your posts if you only post smileys.

Just because you're Greek doesn't mean you get special treatment. 



/jarmo

[jemin]

it's only illegal if the band cares.gn'r don't care so do what you gotta do.

GNR doesn't care?  I have to say seeing Axl jump into the audience to take a camera from someone suggests otherwise.  Also I have heard Slash say on many occasions including recently that they don't like to play unreleased material because of bootleggers.  I think that it's more of a case that they know it is going to happen anyway.

[Malcolm]

it's only illegal if the band cares.gn'r don't care so do what you gotta do.

GNR doesn't care?  I have to say seeing Axl jump into the audience to take a camera from someone suggests otherwise.  Also I have heard Slash say on many occasions including recently that they don't like to play unreleased material because of bootleggers.  I think that it's more of a case that they know it is going to happen anyway.

Nine one dude lol

[jemin]

Nine one dude lol

What does that mean?

[Nightfall]

I think the main beef traders have with selling is that the original tapers invested money in their equipment, took the risk of bringing it into the venue and sometimes took the time to tweak the recording afterwards. And then they shared it, most of the time for free, when they could have kept it for themselves. Seeing other people making money off their back probably doesn't push them to share other recordings in the future, and it kills the whole thing.
Oh, and "official" bootleg companies like Aces High have no more right selling live recordings than the average Joe, IMO.

Well they also don't seem to like it when it's shared for free...the numerous times i had to read that because of that they won't release new stuff...it's getting boring..
Anyway selling is wrong.

[Christos AG]

I'm gonna delete your posts if you only post smileys.

Just because you're Greek doesn't mean you get special treatment.?



/jarmo

What the hell r u talking about?

R u drunk again?

[Malcolm]

Nine one dude lol

What does that mean?

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Someone said Axl dosent care about bootlegging and they they said st.Louis and he dosent care? lol

[jemin]

Nine one dude lol

What does that mean?

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Someone said Axl dosent care about bootlegging and they they said st.Louis and he dosent care? lol

Ah, I see.  I took it to mean that they cared then but it doesn't matter now.

[Will]

Like it was said many times in that thread, bootlegs are illegal, that's the bottom line.

Laws may be different depending on what country you live in, but basically bootlegging (meaning recording/ trading/ selling a show) is prohibited by law. The reason is that artists (and especially producers and big majors who totally hate bootlegs) don't make money on it and some of them say bootlegs don't do justice to their music.

Some bands allow it (i.e: U2 and Pearl Jam), some bands do it themselves (Pearl Jam, String Cheese Incident, etc.) but they certainly don't allow selling on eBay and stuff. The problem between traders and sellers has been covered in this thread as well.

[Goddamn_Electric]

You're making money of somebody else's work. It's really easy. First somebody needs to record the show (and risk getting kicked out and his/her equipment taken away), then somebody needs to put it on a DVD/CD/online so you can get it. Then you take that work, burn it on a disc and make a nice profit.

What's wrong with this picture?

Taper tapes the show for free
He/she authors a DVD for free
He/she puts it online to share with other fans for free
You download the show for free and sell it on Ebay.




/jarmo

Actually...the taper tapes the show for the price of the ticket-which could be sky high these days.

[Pandora]

Actually...the taper tapes the show for the price of the ticket-which could be sky high these days.

That's assuming they only go to the show to tape it, which is stupid anyway.

[jemin]

Actually...the taper tapes the show for the price of the ticket-which could be sky high these days.

That's assuming they only go to the show to tape it, which is stupid anyway.

Why else would they be bringing their equipment?

[*Izzy*]

Actually...the taper tapes the show for the price of the ticket-which could be sky high these days.

That's assuming they only go to the show to tape it, which is stupid anyway.

Why else would they be bringing their equipment?

They also get to watch the show and enjoy the live experience

  Izzy?

[jemin]

Actually...the taper tapes the show for the price of the ticket-which could be sky high these days.

That's assuming they only go to the show to tape it, which is stupid anyway.

Why else would they be bringing their equipment?

They also get to watch the show and enjoy the live experience

  Izzy?

It isn't easy filming the show and enjoying it at the same time, believe me.  Afterwards yes, during the show not so much.

[Pandora]

Actually...the taper tapes the show for the price of the ticket-which could be sky high these days.

That's assuming they only go to the show to tape it, which is stupid anyway.

Why else would they be bringing their equipment?

You misunderstood me. By your line of reasoning, all tapers would buy a ticket for a show only to tape it, and then trade it or sell it.  Meaning those people wouldn't be fans of the bands whose show they attend. Which is stupid.
So the price of the ticket is no added cost to the taping. They would have spent the same amount of money if they hadn't taped it.

[jarmo]

I meant the taper records the show for us for free. Usually we don't pay these people at all for them providing these recordings.




/jarmo

[Drew]

I'm sure someone, like the sound crew, film crew or band becomes upset like when there's a riot and the soundboard recordings are stolen or somebody within the crew steals the audio or video recordings and hands them over to some fan. Even though no money might be made off of it, it is still someone's work that's being passed around without any permission..

[jemin]

Actually...the taper tapes the show for the price of the ticket-which could be sky high these days.

That's assuming they only go to the show to tape it, which is stupid anyway.

Why else would they be bringing their equipment?

You misunderstood me. By your line of reasoning, all tapers would buy a ticket for a show only to tape it, and then trade it or sell it.? Meaning those people wouldn't be fans of the bands whose show they attend. Which is stupid.
So the price of the ticket is no added cost to the taping. They would have spent the same amount of money if they hadn't taped it.

But you do know that there are people that actually do this right?  Not to trade of course but to sell.

[Pandora]

But you do know that there are people that actually do this right?  Not to trade of course but to sell.

Yes I know that, although I'm not sure there's so many out there.
But then they shouldn't complain about the added cost. If they do that they're assholes anyway. No pity for them. And I don't think that's exactly the kind of people we were originally talking about.

[jemin]

But you do know that there are people that actually do this right?? Not to trade of course but to sell.

Yes I know that, although I'm not sure there's so many out there.
But then they shouldn't complain about the added cost. If they do that they're assholes anyway. No pity for them. And I don't think that's exactly the kind of people we were originally talking about.

I assumed we were just talking about bootleggers in general.