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Death is a lot like Iron Maiden. Every Death album is different, but they all have a distinct sound that is recognizable as Death. Death took up where Possessed left off, adding better guitar work and some of the harshest vocals of the time. It's not a typical, cookie monster death metal grunt, but rather a raspy grunt that eventually evolved into a high pitched shriek. Death didn't have the overwhelming talent of bands like Cynic or the brutality of Deicide, but it had a great combination of both styles that worked well for a long career. Every album is a great album, but requires some effort to get into.
A lot of people have bashed Death because they became well known after Chuck Schuldiner died. They point at stupid details like the cross on the logo not being upside down anymore, the difficulties the band had at keeping members together, and the supposedly Christian lyrics. These guys can go listen to 6 Feet Under or Mortician or whatever crap they like.
If you like brutal death metal, Death's first 4 albums are for you. If you like a progressive touch, their last 3 albums will appeal to you. If you like all good music, get all 7. Like all good music, this stuff takes a while to get used to, but the early albums are still the best way to introduce a n00b to real death metal. Plus, you'll understand where everyone was getting
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Downloading a couple of tracks off of "Scream Bloody Gore" now.
Ill let you know what i think, to be honest, ive always struggled to listen to Death Metal, i do like a bit of Venom every now and again though, and Deicide are quite good too.
Thanks for the headsup man!
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Oh God, Death fucking sucks! The band does to...
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Quote from: Arron on November 19, 2005, 02:03:06 PM
Downloading a couple of tracks off of "Scream Bloody Gore" now.
Ill let you know what i think, to be honest, ive always struggled to listen to Death Metal, i do like a bit of Venom every now and again though, and Deicide are quite good too.
Thanks for the headsup man!
This sucked really bad and one more thing Venom are NOT death metal.
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Remember I said that all of the albums are different? Don't judge Death until you've heard at least 2+ songs from each album, since the band went through several style changes. Scream Bloody Gore takes most of the songs from Death demos, and it's really raw. Leprosy is less brutal, but much more polished and technical.
If you like technical death, get Cynic, Gorguts, or Atheist. Death isn't purely technical or brutal, but a balance between the two. Most people either love or hate it. It's something that takes a while to get used to, but it's very good.
Venom are considered the first black metal band, but they're black metal in ideology only. Their sound is much like Motorhead's, and they're similar to many NWOBHM bands. The black metal sound we're famililar with is from the 2nd wave bands like Mayhem. Venom, Mercyful Fate, Celtic Frost, Slayer, Bathory, Hellhammer, and a few others are 1st wave bands that had the same beliefs, but very different sounds. Black metal has a very strange history.
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Quote from: Walk on November 19, 2005, 07:53:33 PM
Black metal has a very strange history.
And a very strange, and very small following
Why do u keep posting these threads? No one cares, no one even listens to this stuff - ur just trying to make urself look like a rebel, well there is a word beginning with 'R' with which people think of you as, but its not rebel.
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What the fuck's your problem? Stick to the Def Leppard threads and whatever other run of the mill shit you listen to.
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Quote from: Izzy on November 20, 2005, 05:56:14 AM
Quote from: Walk on November 19, 2005, 07:53:33 PM
Black metal has a very strange history.
And a very strange, and very small following
Why do u keep posting these threads? No one cares, no one even listens to this stuff - ur just trying to make urself look like a rebel, well there is a word beginning with 'R' with which people think of you as, but its not rebel.
Piss off, pop boy.
I've only heard their cover of Judas Priest's 'Painkiller' but it's fucking brilliant. I shall be buying an album soon.
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Quote from: Izzy on November 20, 2005, 05:56:14 AM
Why do u keep posting these threads? No one cares, no one even listens to this stuff - ur just trying to make urself look like a rebel, well there is a word beginning with 'R' with which people think of you as, but its not rebel.
I care.
I like Walks recomendations, they are not the norm no, and some of the lyrical content of the bands leaves a lot to be desired but i dont just listen to the lyrical content, i listen to the music, the riffs, the energy, the hooks the solos the drums.
Its a complete package man, the lyrical content of a band is all part of the ingredients yes, but there is a lot more to music than what the vocalist is saying.
Ive listened to Rock and Roll and metal played by people with different beliefs to myself but that doesnt tar me with the same brush as them because thats what they believe.
Lets face it, people who believe in anti - semitism, suck! However, some of the music out there made by these people fucking rocks.
And for that, and that alone, i will always read these threads and check out Walk's recommendations because i have found that the bands he does share with us are more often than not very good and worth a listen. Despite their beliefs.
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Quote from: Metallifuck on November 20, 2005, 08:50:14 AM
I've only heard their cover of Judas Priest's 'Painkiller' but it's fucking brilliant. I shall be buying an album soon.
Human is probably the best one to start with. It isn't as progressive as the later albums, and it isn't as raw as the early ones. It's their best selling album, and a favorite among hardcore fans as well. It even had a music video made for it! It kind of helped that Death had 2 former Cynic members when this album was recorded.
The only complaints I've heard with Human are with the cold production and short length, but I was never bothered by it. It's a good, quick death metal album.
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...I've only heard two songs of Death...'Spirit Crusher' and 'Voice Of The Soul'...and...in my opinion...they sound good...but not great....
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You can check out the discography thread for Death album reviews.
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Quote from: Izzy on November 20, 2005, 05:56:14 AM
Quote from: Walk on November 19, 2005, 07:53:33 PM
Black metal has a very strange history.
And a very strange, and very small following
Why do u keep posting these threads? No one cares, no one even listens to this stuff - ur just trying to make urself look like a rebel, well there is a word beginning with 'R' with which people think of you as, but its not rebel.
Fuck off
How fuckin' dare you and who the hell you think are???
First you think no one listens to this stuff then you insult Walk for no reason.
Go suck on Liam or some off your wicked hero's, and leave the real deal alone!!
whats real pathetic is that you say this............and you listen to Limp Bizkit
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Quote from: ClintroN on November 27, 2005, 06:56:58 AM
Quote from: Izzy on November 20, 2005, 05:56:14 AM
Quote from: Walk on November 19, 2005, 07:53:33 PM
Black metal has a very strange history.
And a very strange, and very small following
Why do u keep posting these threads? No one cares, no one even listens to this stuff - ur just trying to make urself look like a rebel, well there is a word beginning with 'R' with which people think of you as, but its not rebel.
Fuck off
How fuckin' dare you and who the hell you think are???
First you think no one listens to this stuff then you insult Walk for no reason.
Go suck on Liam? or some off your wicked hero's, and leave the real deal alone!!
whats real pathetic is that you say this............and you listen to Limp Bizkit
You are doing the same thing, you are insulting Izzy for no reason! everyone are entitled to their own opinion but not their own set of facts, that's it!
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I didn't mind his saying that no one listens to death metal, because truthfully very few people listen to it. His personal insults no longer bother me, though, since he throws them out so often. I ignore him, and you should ignore him as well, and he'll go away. He can have his own opinion about me, but it doesn't have to appear in every other thread I make. I get the point...
"Never argue with a fool, for you will degrade yourself to his level, and he'll beat you with experience!"
As for Death (getting back on topic), I recommend Control Denied to hardcore fans. It was a side project of Death, except it's power metal! It's power metal with guts behind it, like Jag Panzer, not like Power Quest. Unfortunately, only one Control Denied album was made.
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Quote from: Walk on November 27, 2005, 08:05:50 PM
I ignore him, and you should ignore him as well, and he'll go away. He can have his own opinion about me, but it doesn't have to appear in every other thread I make. I get the point...
This is Izzy you're talking about - look how many posts he's made
I'm into Death Metal (as a genre) at the moment, although I'm slacking on getting albums. I've got Nile and Strapping Young Lad's latest albums. I like the technical side of it all and the rage can be good to hear if I'm in the mood for it. And SYL's Alien has a song that sounds like it's from Dark Side Of The Moon! Megadeth are my favourite metal band and Rust In Peace is my favourite album so you get the idea.
Does anyone else here read Terrorizer and if so should I bother getting it? I doubt I'd find out much reading Kerrang
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Quote from: GNR_Green on November 29, 2005, 04:53:56 PM
Does anyone else here read Terrorizer and if so should I bother getting it?
It's alright, though I rarely buy it these days because I find the 8 ? price tag a bit much. I used to buy more magazines around '96-'98, nowadays I get the same stuff from the internet
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Go to sites like metal-rules.com, metal-archives.com, and anus.com. Forums have better recommendations than payed-off magazines. Also, it's best to get the classics first, and not the lastest fad br00tal death metal band.
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4 years ago, on December 13, 2001, Chuck Schuldiner died. He's making some interesting new music with Dimebag and Lennon now. Pay your respects!
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8915784124148938714&q=Death
Check out this video. I've never heard a Death bootleg from the early days with the high vocals until now.
It's interesting how Chuck gave up the deep vocals over time, but could always do the shrieks. Both styles are great, and it's had to really pick one as better.
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I've covered "the flesh and the power it holds" with a friend of mine for his school exam.....I think it's an amazing tune, especially the beginning. I'm not so much into death and black metal, but this is one of the few bands in the genre that I have respect for.
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30 seconds to about a minute into the song is indeed an amazing intro.
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I've covered "the flesh and the power it holds" with a friend of mine for his school exam.....I think it's an amazing tune, especially the beginning.
Yep, and the rest of the album is nothing short of brilliant either. The Sound of Perseverance has been kicking my ass for a few months now, I haven't really got tired of it even after about a zillion listens. I've also checked out Symbolic and Individual Thought Patterns, but TSoP seems to be my favorite so far.
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Have you listened to Cynic, Atheist, Watchtower, and Coroner? Those are all great. Unfortunately, many post-Death bands just seem to rip off the sound, and the earlier bands juts have a few similarities, but they're still great.
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Nope, actually out of those, Cynic is the only band I've even heard of. Give me a recommended album and I might check them out?
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You must be kidding.
Unfortunately, Cynic only made one album, called Focus. It's probably the greatest one album wonder in metal history. I'm surprised you haven't heard it, since it's absolutely essential for prog/death fans. Some Cynic members made the band Portal with a self-titled demo tape, but it was mediocre. Fortunately, they later formed the band Gordian Knot, which is an excellent instrumental prog band.
Cynic was originally a technical thrash band, so their early demos might be interesting from a historical point of view, but they're not essential. For great technical thrash, Watchtower is what you need. They only released two albums: Energetic Disassembly and Control And Resistance. They're both excellent.
From Atheist, get Piece Of Time and Unquestionable Presence. If you love those, you might like Elements, but only their first two are really, really good.
Coroner is more technical thrash. Everything they did before the mediocre Grin album is excellent. Their work with unorthodox song structures is similar to later Death. It's too bad the vocals suck.
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Fortunately, they later formed the band Gordian Knot, which is an excellent instrumental prog band.
Ah, that's probably the connection I know Cynic from - I love Gordian Knot, those guys are amazing. Guess I'll have to get Focus, then
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