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« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2007, 01:19:49 AM »

We're in the clear now, and can blame China....



Report: China Will Pass U.S. As Polluter
Apr 24 01:41 AM US/Eastern


SHANGHAI, China (AP) - China will pass the United States as the world's biggest source of greenhouse gasses this year, an official with the International Energy Agency was quoted as saying.

China had been forecast to surpass the U.S. in 2010, but its sizzling economic growth has pushed the date forward, the IEA's chief economist, Fatih Birol, was quoted as saying in an interview appearing in Tuesday's Wall Street Journal newspaper.

"In the past couple of months, economic growth and related coal consumption has grown at such an unexpected rate," Birol was quoted as saying. China's rising emissions will effectively cancel out attempts by other countries to reduce their own, he said.

Those comments follow the weekend release of a Chinese government report detailing the costs of climate change but asserting that the country should focus on development before cutting greenhouse gas emissions.

Higher than average temperatures meant spreading deserts, worsening droughts, shrinking glaciers and increased spread of diseases, said the report, compiled by more than a dozen government bodies. It said emission limits were unfair and would constrain China's current energy and manufacturing industries.

China is a signatory to the Kyoto Protocol on reducing greenhouse gasses, but is exempt from its restrictions because it is a developing country.

The Paris-based IEA advises developed country on energy policy.
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« Reply #41 on: April 25, 2007, 09:24:59 AM »

No surprise there.

Its kind of silly to ask everyone to cut down on their greenhouse gases when China will continue to put whatever it wants into the atmosphere.. Undecided
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« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2007, 12:53:52 PM »

It's impossible that global warming could spark conflict because everyone on the planet agrees that man is causing global warming.... I mean the earth has never, ever gone through periods of cooling and warming, and cooling and warming...(the safe bet is it's America's fault).



yeah it has.. when it went through the ice ages
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« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2007, 05:42:03 PM »

^ That was kinda my point. Plus many other times too.
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« Reply #44 on: April 25, 2007, 10:25:16 PM »

look at europe and look how close it is to the north pole. if europe stopped being warm, it'd need a lot more oil that it consumes now in order to keep their people alive. if they needed so much more oil, they'd have to get em from other nations and other places as well. in order to do that, they'd have to fight off a lot of other hungry customers of this black gold.

the gulf stream is what keeps europe as warm as it is considering how close europe is to the north pole. if anything were to interfere with the gulf stream, europe just might be the first part of the world to go into the next ice age. a few weeks ago, the gulf stream had stopped.  Shocked

i believe there's nothing we can do to fuck up the earth.. all we can do is kill ourselves off. statistically speaking, the earth has had an ice age at an "average" rate of every 10,000 years.. by that sense, we're 2,000 years overdue for another one.

all the people saying that us burning oil and releasing methane in the air is what's causing the increase in temp. historically speaking, its proven that in the past, when temperatures increased, the levels of methane increased.. not the other way around. its not the methane that's causing the temperature increase, its the temperature increase that's causing the excess amounts of methane because of all the methane gasses trapped in glaciers and polar ice caps that get released once they melt.

so i believe that us humans can kill ourselves off and do whatever the fuck we want but the earth will go through its motions as it always has and the worst we could possibly do to it is nuke its land surface and make it inhabitable for humans and/or mammals at best.

You hit the nail right on the head. The SUN is causing global warming, not us. But the problem even with THAT theory... which disturbs The Powers That Be, is people will still wonder about the coincidence of us being here and fucking up the planet at the same time the planet was gonna go to shit anyways... and THAT points to an intelligent design. THAT'S what they don't want ticking around in people's heads.

The "Gulf Stream failure plunging Europe into artic temperatures" is a seperate issue from the "Ice Age" thing. If the Gulf Stream fails, England and near-by areas get cold like Norway in Manatoba, Canada. The Ice Age thing would cause the entire northern part of the planet (and probably the bottom too) to be covered in Snow and ice... everyewhere from England, to New York, Seattle, Japan, Mongolia, etc., etc., as a result of that domino effect after one really snowy winter.
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« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2007, 10:52:01 PM »

My favorite planet is the Sun......


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« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2007, 08:34:21 PM »

Arctic sea ice melts faster than thought

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BOULDER, Colo. - Arctic sea ice is melting three times faster than many scientists project, U.S. researchers reported Monday, just days ahead of the next major international report on climate change.
 
Scientists at the National Center for Atmospheric Research and the University of Colorado in Boulder concluded that Arctic sea ice has declined at an average rate of about 7.8 percent per decade between 1953 and 2006.

By contrast, 18 computer models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a U.N.-sponsored climate research group, estimated an average rate of decline of 2.5 percent per decade over the same period, the researchers said.

International delegates are meeting in Bangkok, Thailand, this week to hammer out the final wording of the third IPCC report.

Both the observations cited in the new study and projections from the IPCC computer models are for September, when Arctic sea ice is typically at its low point for the year.

For March, when the ice is typically at its most extensive, the new study found the rate of decline was 1.8 percent per decade, about three times larger than the mean from the computer models.

The researchers said their observations indicate the retreat of summertime Arctic sea ice is about 30 years ahead of the pace projected by climate models.

"While the ice is disappearing faster than the computer models indicate, both observations and the models point in the same direction: the Arctic is losing ice at an increasingly rapid pace and the impact of greenhouse gases is growing," said NCAR scientist Marika Holland, one of the study's co-authors.

Gavin Schmidt, a climate researcher at the Goddard Institute for Space Studies, said the study is "a good reminder that uncertainty in model projections cuts both ways." Critics of some global warming scenarios have said the models exaggerate the potential problems.

"My feeling (along with the authors) is that it is likely that the models are insufficiently sensitive," Schmidt said in an e-mail to The Associated Press. He said the reasons for the lack of sensitivity are unclear.

"Overall, the models have a track record of getting large scale changes right, particularly in temperatures, but at the regional scale (like in the Arctic), there is more variability," he wrote.

The Boulder-based researchers used a combination of early reports from aircraft and ships and more recent satellite measurements to come up with their observations of the ice melt.

They said the discrepancy between their observations and computer projections indicate computer models may have failed to portray the entire impact of increasing levels of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

The computer models indicated that increased greenhouse gases and natural climate variations were about equally responsible for ice loss between 1979 and 2006, the researchers said.

They said their own study indicates greenhouse gases may have a "significantly greater" role than the models suggested.

A number of factors may lead the computer models to underestimate the rate of decline in sea ice, the researchers said. Several models overestimated the thickness of the ice, and the models may have failed to fully account for changes in currents in the atmosphere and oceans that transfer heat to polar regions, they said.

The study, "Arctic Sea Ice Decline: Faster Than Forecast," will appear in the online edition of Geophysical Research Letters on Tuesday, three days before the IPCC issues its report.


Link to article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070430/ap_on_sc/climate_melting_arctic;_ylt=AgW0E16KFzMEpXvDX.G4ZofMWM0F
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« Reply #47 on: May 22, 2007, 01:57:40 AM »

Mon May 21, 5:02 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Christian, Jewish and Muslim leaders are urging
President George W. Bush and Congress to take action against global warming, declaring that the changing climate is a "moral and spiritual issue."

In an open letter to be published on Tuesday, more than 20 religious groups urged U.S. leaders to limit greenhouse gas emissions and invest in renewable energy sources.

"Global warming is real, it is human-induced and we have the responsibility to act," says the letter, which will run in Roll Call and the Politico, two Capitol Hill newspapers.

"We are mobilizing a religious force that will persuade our legislators to take immediate action to curb greenhouse gases," it says.

The letter is signed by top officials of the National Council of Churches, the Islamic Society of North America and the political arm of the Reform branch of Judaism.

Top officials from several mainline Christian denominations, including the Episcopal Church, United Methodist Church, Presbyterian Church, African Methodist Episcopal Church and Alliance of Baptists also signed the letter, along with leaders of regional organizations and individual churches.

Rev. Joel Hunter, a board member of the National Association of Evangelicals, also signed the letter, though that group has not officially taken a stance on global warming due to opposition from some of its more conservative members.
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