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Hi guys...

I came across this link via the Gn'R Bar... it is a link to another site, where a poster commented that she will be interviewing Dizzy Reed on her Chicago Radio show... on Thursday between 3 - 5 pm. She has been asking what sorts of questions she should ask... anyway, for info regarding the station and stuff like that, check out the link here ::

http://pub25.ezboard.com/fthemachineheadforumfrm1.showMessage?topicID=44177.topic

and didnt dizzy said last time he was in chicago that next time he was there he would have Chinese Democracy in his hands?

Well let the truth be told, Dizzy might say when it will come out and maybe play a track but I doubt it

things change, particularly often in the GN'R world..

yes, he said that hopefully he has the album with him in the next time when he's around.

Why doesnt she ask him just that??? "Hey dizzy you promised next time you are in Chicago you will have the album in yr hand, dude what happened???"

Dizzy never said that.  He said maybe next time he goes on that radio show that I would have the record.  Forget the radio station he was interviewed on.  Lets face it the album is not coming out.  It might of but with the greatest hits coming out and bucket head leaving its done.  Just accept it.  If it does come out out then awesome.  If not, oh well.

Hahah

If Dizzy was a poster on this board he would be banned for bullshitting

He has made more innacurate statements than Raoxlse achieved.....i don't expect much from any interview....

Are they ever going to come out with ANYTHING?  Will the Vegas DVD's ever hit stores? WTF is the ALBUM!?

 :rofl: good one

Waaah Waaah Waaah........

I just hope he gives us credible information this time.  Somethings got to be brewing in the GN'R world right now.  Maybe a single is coming our way....

You have a lot more faith then I sure do. I honestly dont expect the album to drop this year or ever for that matter until maybe August or Winter :no:

Well what say you Aunt Ger? You must have something to tell us? Maybe?

If dizzy is interviewed maybe for once he could give us some usefull info

he wont say shit... coz nobody will ask him the tough questions...

he will talk about Happnin Harry or something..
maybe touch on the Velvet Revolver ...

but when it comes to GnR  shockingly he wont have much to say.....

It will be a waste of time to listen to...

Couldn't off said it better

if that's true, then where do Dizzy get his info? I hardly think he's making anything up, he's probably only telling what he's heard from Axl or others. but as I said, things seem to change all the time in the GN'R world, I think it's cool that Dizzy is sharing, better than him saying "no comment" or something.
he says what he knows, it's not his fault it changes before it takes place.

I really don't have anything to say actually. Everyone on these forums seems to know more then I do. I'll see Dizzy on Friday, along with Harry and I don't intend on asking Dizzy anything about Bucket or the CD. He is tired of everyone asking him the same questions over and over. We will slam a few :beer: and just talk about the weather!!

Aunt Gerry you should ask dizzy if he saw dawn of the dead yet.

No offence to you or Dizzy - but the reason people ask him the same questions over and over again is simply that we get no other source of infomration at all. It would simply take a press release or a sentance on the site saying - "Buckethead is in/out and CD update will come at Rio-Lisbon". Instead with the years of silence since 2002 - the only chance the fans get to find out whats being going on the last 2 years is to ask Dizzy or another member of the band.

Are you gonna ask if they (GN'R) think the weather will change "soon"?  ;)


I can see the posts already: "Dizzy says he thinks the weather will change soon. Oh my God, oh my God,  Chinese Democracy is coming soon!!!!"  :hihi:



/jarmo

 :hihi:

and I agreed with Lineker10, if Dizzy or other member of the band don?t want to be asked so many times about CD or the band, just put some NEWS from HIS MOUTH on HIS WEBSITE or HIS BAND WEBSITE, this is not too much.  :smoking:

Why is that?? Why is he "tired of everyone asking him the same questions over and over?????

is that tooo fucking much information to share with the fans, the ones who pay for this shit....

Is it TOOOO Much to ask if our favorite band still has a fucking guitarist????

IS THAT TOO FUCKING MUCH TO ASK??

I mean shit hes out there playing fucking  3/4 Guns n Roses Songs in his set but wont answer anything about
the band?

If hes "Tired of the same questions"  dont you think for one second we as GnR fans are equally as Tired of asking the same fucking questions??? HMMMMMM There might be somthing fucking wrong here...

 

take it easy..there is also other things in this life than the damn GN'R. If we get a new information, fine, but I'm not going to start tripping about it if there isn't any news (from Dizzy)..it's no use.

This is what Dizzy will say.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

"When's Chinese Democracy coming out Dizzy?"

Dizzy: We are working on it, it should be out soon. Maybe summer. Hopefully maybe.

"Is Buckethead out Dizzy?"

Dizzy: I dont know, but he got a contract, so he's hopefully in the band, if not maybe. I talked to him in March 2003 and he said he was maybe in the band but didnt really know, so I take that as a maybe and a yes.

"Rock in Rio 4 eh?"

Dizzy: Yes, so it seems. It looks like we will be there, but I dont know. I'd say it's a propably maybe with a possibility in there.

"Talked to Axl lately Dizzy?"

Dizzy: Havent talked to him since February, but I think things are okay. I heard reharsals start next month, but I have to go and check the Internet out first to know for certain.


 :beer: ;D

One wonders what Dizzy is sure about.........

Q.Whats this Axl chap like?

A. Well....i've heard......

 :hihi:

i actually agree with him.
i don't know what's going on with this band, but i know that if I were in dizzy's shoes, i wouldn't mind talking about the band or the musical progress of it, because not only would i be honoured that alot of people still care so much, i would look at it as a responsibility to answer patient fans.

Thanks for nothing.   ::)  You have been so much help over the last few.....well......come to think of it... you have been wrong about absolutely everything you have told us to date.  So enjoy his company and the conversation about the weather.  Cause there isn't one person on this forum that gives a shit if he is tired of hearing questions about GNR.  We are tired of him giving wrong answers to those questions.  Damn, is that hard to understand?
 
-TyRod-

She?s a lady dude... take it easy  :peace:

Aunt Ger, do you think is possible you bring Dizzy just one night in the HTGTH forum and have us ( GNR AND DIZZY FANS ) have a great conversation about all of this? do you think he?ll do it?
could be great... and think about it, the whole world ( or not, if WE decide not to tell the world ) will see that things is going ok ( I think ) and that?s a GNR MEMBER telling that.


so... ? ;)

Ah man, come on, lay off.  Whatever the case may or may not be with Dizzy and the band, Aunt Ger is just his aunt and a fan, there's no reason to get pissy about it.

I actually felt like I tempered my post quite a bit.   :-\

Its great that we have a board members that claims to be having dinner with a band member and goes as far as to state that she has no intentin of asking him what is going on especially at this very volatile time.  Can anyone else here actually say that they would do the same?

If I were having dinner with a band member Friday, I'd grill him for all the info I could get, then I'd pass it on to this board.  And I'm sure most of you would.

Face it, for our loyalty, we deserve some official news.  I for one am offended that Ger won't even ask what's going on.

-TyRod-

I'm sure he has his reasons for not telling everything he knows about the album (song titles, ideas for tour dates etc.). If he's been told not to talk about it, he's not gonna start just because you're unhappy with the fact that he's not telling you anything.

And he could just tell the fans who are approaching him at the shows to fuck off. Would that be better?  ::)



/jarmo

Well, regardless, she's still his aunt.  If someone chooses not to ask him about what's going on, then that's their perogative, noone has any responsibility to anyone or this board to ask anyone about anything.

Anyone, sorry for being so off topic.  This is all I have to say on the matter, so I won't talk about it anymore.    :peace:

I don't think Dizzy is the person who's gonna give you the official news when the time is right.


If one of my friends or relatives asked me not to ask about his/her work because he/she couldn't talk about it, I'd respect that.


/jarmo

So you don't think that one of the most loyal music fanbases in all the world deserves to have just a little bit of news?  I'm not talking about a full blown explanation of events here.  Just some small press release that would give the status of CD.  Just a small bit after 16 month of silence.  Come on now.  How can you say that we don't deserve some info?  Because we are so loyal and so tormented, we DO deserve some goddamn news.   :rant:  Please spare me the "perogative" stuff.   ::)  Of course it is her perogative, but that doesn't make it right.

What else are you going to talk to Dizzy about?  "Hey Dizzy, how is that solo thing of yours going?  You the one where you tour small bars and play GNR covers?  Please.

Ger, do the right thing and get us some info.

-TyRod-

 

I agree with you dude.... 1000 percent... i mean at least just answer the question

"Does the band still have a god damn guitar player"?

ok we all know by know we have figured it out that there is no news as always about the fucking album...

but "Does the band still have a god damn guitar player"?

but to come to the board and flaunt in front of everyone that you have a family member in the band, management, or whatever that MIGHT be able to give a little bit of news, to flaunt that and then say "but im going to ask them nothing"  whats the point in that?  

If May 30 comes and there is a cancellation or an illness in the band, you wont have to worry about getting tired of answering the same questions over and over again,  Coz  alot of people might not give a shit anymore..

Why don't you go to the shows yourself and ask? See what he tells you.

Looks like whatever he has said hasn't been good enough.


Dizzy could tell Ger the planned release date and she'd post it. When the date passes, she and Dizzy would be called liars...


Why is it so hard to understand that these guys probably aren't allowed to talk abou it? How much have you heard from Josh Freese about what he did in GN'R years ago?

Even if I wish there'd be more updates on what's going on from the band, it's not gonna happen. This is just the way the band works. They won't comment on rumors or answer questions about their future plans.



/jarmo

i don't mean to go off topic here, but so fucking what?!
girls aren't kids, man, just tell her the truth. goddamnit.
people are to be treated equally, male or female. just my two cents. peace

Whatever dude.  I'm not sure how you are able to defend Ger coming on your board and basically saying "I'm going to have dinner with Dizzy Friday and I'm not going to ask him anything...nananananah."

And don't you think that Dizzy, if Ger is in fact his aunt, would be more willing to give info to her than to me?

-TyRod-

Because I don't care.

It's her decision, I don't really care what they talk about or don't talk about at dinner.


My opinion is, and has always been, they'll tell us when they're ready.

You're not gonna get any exclusive news by bugging the members at their solo shows.

Especially since it's Axl that you should ask.  ;D



Possible, but don't you think it's possible that if he told her she couldn't tell us?



/jarmo

Sure that's possible.  But I have a hard time believing that Dizzy, or any of the band members that might still belong to GNR, really care anymore whether Axl wants them to stay quiet.

All I'm saying is that she should at least ask.  I would...and I bet you would too.  You may say that you "don't care"....but no one starts and maintains the biggest online GNR forum/website in the world unless they actually care.

-TyRod-

You guys are a riot!! I don't mean to sound uncaring. I'd really like to ask Dizzy what the hell is going on with GN'R these days, but you have to understand. There are some things he can't discuss with me. I am his aunt, of course and I am really into GN'R music, but like I said and I know it sounds callous,but we just don't talk shop when we're together. Seriously! Everyone knows as much as I do on these boards,and then some. Sure I could pick up the phone any time, call him and bitch at him about GN'R, but that isn't going to get Chinese Demoracy out any sooner. Axl has the last word. I didn't mean to piss anyone off. But after awhile the same questions being asked, do get a bit old, and I have a wonderful relationship with my nephew. I just don't see the point of me asking him the same questions over and over. If there was a way for Dizzy to come on these forums to set a few records straight, I'd jump at the chance, but I don't see that happening. If I had a laptop to take with me to Leo's on Friday, I'd probably ask him to post. I have told him all about the wonderful fans he has on the web. I told him to let Axl know also. Maybe they both surf the forums when they aren't busy, who knows?  ;)

I'll ask him that on Friday. Note sure if he's had to time to take in a movie. I will in fact ask him how the shows went on the east coast of course.

Aunt Ger, you have to understand that we are, 10 years I think, waiting for some news... you beeing Dizzy?s Aunt, you are the only person here to tell us some real news from his mouth.
like you said, dizzy and the boys ( old and new line-up) have a lot of fans, people that just love their work and have a lot of respect for all this years of music, but I?M SURE Dizzy can?t talk too much, but... since when can?t he talk to his fans?!

All I?m asking you, is that you give him a call, or just mention what he "could do" to THEYIR FANS ( not the midia, just THE FANS! ) and bring he here, to talk to his fans.

I think it could happen... why not?! he doesn?t have a compoter?! WHATAHELL, let?s buy him a computer then!

ps: sorry the english

ask him if axl still has his braids, ok? seriously, i would like to know. i really like those braids. :)

You rock Aunt Ger.

I love their music. But I don't care about some of the other stuff. I don't lose sleep over the fact that there's no new album, I don't trash stuff because a show gets cancelled (twice for me in 2001), I'm not mad at Axl because he doesn't tell us what's going on etc.


Sure, if I ever met a band member, I'd ask about their music. But if the answer was "I can't say", I wouldn't be insulted or angry.....

Actually, the most interesting question might be why they have this policy of being so quiet.  :hihi:


/jarmo

That sure is some acronym you've got there.

But what does it mean.. www.acronymfinder.com had no replies.. And they had 73 meanings for ASAP. I think you're just making it up.

 :hihi:

Quite possibly the funniest thing ever to be posted in the GNR section.

Well all i know is i hope that Dizzy says at least something about the album and the status of buckethead cuz agreeing with Ty Rod Tullip i think its about damn time we get some news around here. Is this a band or is this just a big joke?

Does that mean that you will ask Dizzy weather or not buckethead is still in the band, or weather or not CD will come out.  :rofl: :rofl: I couldnt resist

AuntGer go and enjoy yourself and spend some quality family time with you nephew. Enjoy the show and throw down a few for me.

God damnit :hihi:

Even with someone at Dizzy's dinner table we get no info......

At this stage i don't think i'd get any info if i kidnapped Axl...... :hihi:

Captain Pal's supposed to hold him hostage, and Kiedis wants to join him, but there's always room for more accomplices  :hihi:

GNR is obviously not, nor should it be, Aunt Ger's primary concern when spending time with her nephew, yet at  the same time, Dizzy could give a one word answer with regard to Bucket...

yes or no?  THAT'S IT!  Then go pound as many cold ones as you like....I bet her and Dizzy have a hearty laugh at our expense though....We've got quite a few commitable  folks here, myself included...Shit, we must be insane to keep faith this long...
joe

By no means do we laugh at anyone's expense!! Dizzy is always happy to hear what I tell him about the posts I read. He does have a laptop, and  no doubt reads for himself, when he finds the time. But I don't think he's takes it with him when he tours. For those that have actually met and talked with him, they would agree, he'll answer any questions you ask him if he in deed knows the answers. He's one cool guy, and to quote what Harry said the last time I saw them, "Dizzy has never let his fame and fortune go to his head." He treats everyone the same, and never once holding his head to high. I'm very proud of his accomplishments. I promise I will ask him a few questions, but like I said, not sure if he'll be able to answer any of them.  ;) :beer:

sounds great! :peace:

Naaah I'm not the only one that could possibly know what is going on these days with GN'R. Dizzy's wife Lisa knows a hell of a lot more, but she too can't or won't say much. I don't even ask her. And I'm included in those 10 years of waiting. I just keep listening to the old stuff over and over again. You know something? That is what keeps me going. I know sooner or later, Chinese Democracy will be out and it will be the best. But until then, I'll just keep playing the old songs.

don't we all....
hey, please remember to ask him about axl's braids, ok?
write it down. ;) thanks.

Speed_Stone, you're a riot, and you gotta love the sig!

thank you, i'm glad you liked it.

What about Axl's braids?

The sig is retarded bigtime.

Leave Ger alone for info already.

J'amon man, it's just his "dance song".   :peace:

Rant all you want about GNR's stupid machinery that never gives it's fans information. For crying out loud, we dont even know who's in the damn band! Mention one band that works like this..

But dont take it out on Aunt Ger or Lisa Reed. They are sweet people that cares. Dont shoot the messenger, it's not their fault GNR's communication system works like it was 1933.

I'll try and remember all of those questions, but like I said, he might not tell me. OK??

People should have a right to know whether or not GNR are really playing Lisbon or not.  If theyre confirmed to play - and they are - then why keep it a secret?  Why not let fans know so that they can make preparations to go and shit like that?  

That's funny when you think about it. Would you demand a confirmation from any other artist regarding their shows once you bought the ticket from the official site which states GN'R are playing? :D

Didn't the August 2002 tour dates get announced by the festival organizers and then GN'R "confirmed" them the day of the first show?



/jarmo

A bottom of a line, have a good time with Dizzy. You will ask some questions if you want to ask and if you find a appropriate timing for that. Just have a fun time with him and please don't stress with thinking what questions we would want to ask from him..just have nice time with him and don't stress 'cause of us! ..it's your family..

You, sir, are a class act.  That is the way to look at it!

Enjoy some time with your nephew, Ger.  Talk family stuff, have a few beers, discuss TV shows.

Make it an evening about family.  You owe us on this board NOTHING, regardless of what some may think.

Well, this got off topic. Back on, the earlier questions that Ger was requested to ask should be asked of Dizzy during the Chicago interview.
/Mike

please ask if he still has them! :)
thanks alot. i really would like to know.


SLCPUNK: shut the fuck up, you're not the right person to be speaking about "retarded" sigs.

Yeah Jarmo, you?re right !!

I remember clearly that the 2002 european shows was only announced by the organizers, and in the day of the first show they put up an interview with axl on gnronline.com, as they arrived in hong kong.

Peace  :)

yeah! that's true! that was so sweet though, i loved that interview.
this is what people obviously forget when they say that axl hasn't given us anything, well you all seem to forget the fact that in addition to playing us brand new guns n' roses material, axl has also delivered the most informative interview in a decade. the kurt loder interview in 1999 was of course great as well, but the interview they posted the day the summer tour started was something that most uf us had only been hoping for. it was long and explainatory.

Does anyone know if this radio interview is going ahead

If so anyone going to listen to it?

thanks Aunt Ger
you don?t owe us nothing
we just don?t understand why they don?t say something about this situation...
we?ll thank you for the rest of our lives if you come with something "good"  :)... couse you know, NOTHING seems to "fix" anymore  :P

This is GNR dude  :D And I wouldnt spend all that money on tickets, travel, hotels if I wasnt sure GNR is playing, and Im not.
This is yet again Guns N Roses, anything can happen.

that's true! this is what goes with axl rose, and what's quite amazing is the fact that he is still this unpredictable, ten years after and with an almost whole new line up. cheers to the unpredictable axl rose! :beer: well, i'll have one, anyways. :P

That doesn't sound like a bad idea  : ok:

We demand information so much that we have to ask Dizzy Reed's aunt.  Since when did Dizzy tell us anything credible anyway? I'm sure it's not his fault just ole Axl coming up with new plans and new excuses to why he hasn't executed them.  I'd really like some news though, even if it is from Dizzy that'd be great Aunt Ger!

I know!! I know!! I'll see what I can do. I make no promises!! OK???  :peace: :beer:

Was he interviewed on the radio?



/jarmo

Ask if Dizzy smokes weed...

I think Brain does.. he looks like a pot head...
So does Chris Pittman..

but what about  Dizzy??

Oh ok... Thanks...I kind of thought so ....

But Brain and Chris Pittman look like they smoke weed..

and your point is..?

I think it is safe to say that a guy with a chicken bucket on his head smokes a little weed as well. ;D ;D ;D ;D

no, no point...I wasnt trying to make a point...I was just curious what members smoke weed... no idea why...

well, all i know is that axl appearantly has stopped. ;)

sorry boys no news...
I think it's over...
hoping something else but seems like..
Jarmo thanks for great pages!
Rest in peace AXL...

Yeah he did the interview.  Can't find it on line any where.  If you click on that girl's name it will take you to the EZBoard profile and the link to that radio station.  Maybe they will put it up.  She hasn't responded to the post yet.

Dizzy said they didn't ask many GNR questions.  His look probably said, don't go there.

Man you gave up hope after three whole posts?

You really hung in there! :hihi: :)

how do you know?

Did he have CD in his hands like he said he would?  Or did his look say, dont go there?

So this interview actually took place, eh?

Did anybody listen?  What questions regarding Gn'R were asked?  How did Dizzy answer them?  I'm curious, ya know!

Well........saw Dizzy and Harry last night. I asked him a few questions, like how did the shows go on the east coast, when did he get in town, does he get any royalties from the GH cd. Answer to the last question was a big "NO".............they band doesn't get shit!! So no matter how bad you want something from GN'R....buying the GH won't help them. If you really want to help the band, continue to wait for Chinese Democracy. I believe it will be out this year soon. Axl knows his fans want it bad and he'll release it when he's ready. Harry and Dizzy were awesome as usual. Harry has an incredible voice, and watching Dizzy on his keys, just blows me away. I get goosebumps every time. He is looking so good these days, but he said he was tired and couldn't wait to get back home with Lisa and the girls. I agreed with him on that. We took a bunch of pictures, and just chilled, talking family talk about planning a family reunion next year. One thing he would like to do is bob for Buds instead of bobbing for apples!! I could make that easy and use bottles instead of cans. LOL.........might have to put that on the list of games we will be playing. Well......everyone, I'm sorry I didn't ask the questions you were expecting me too, but I didn't see the point. Axl is the man you have to ask those questions. And I beleive he is tired of hearing them also. Why continue to piss them off, just wait, and if you don't want to wait, then you were never true GN'R fans to begin with. Don't you remember me saying, that faith is believing in something when common sense tells you not too? Taken from the movie, "Miracle on 34th Street." If you truly believe in GN'R, give Axl a chance to do whatever he intends to do about Chinese Demoracy and when is the best time to have it released. I'm sure in the long run, you won't be disappointed. That is the one thing I know for sure! The songs on it are great, and I'll continue to wait for my copy. After all.......how much more gray can my hair get?? LOL....... :peace:

Thanks Aunt Ger. I'm glad you had a good time and that Dizzy's doing well. That's whats important.

@#$%Muther

Thanks for not jumping all over my back! We did have a great time..always do! :beer:

Not to be overly analytical but what makes you think this year or even better "soon"




Ok, sorry in advance aunt ger, but i got to ask.  Have you heard the album already ? This statement makes it seem as though you have heard the music and it would be nice if you could elaborate.

Thanks Aunt Ger..I don't blame you at all for not asking a million GNR questions...I'm sure he's sick of answering them as well.

No I haven't heard any of the songs on CD...but I take the word of Dizzy, that it is indeed great!!

Yeah.........he is sick of all the same old questions. Wouldn't you be?? That is all anyone is concerned about these days. Has anyone actually went up to him and asked him how he is doing? Ask him any questions outside of GN'R related?? I don't think so!! Do any of you bring your job home with you, and spend all night long discussing it with friends and family? :peace:

sure being a member of guns n' roses and working with axl is a job, but it's also a fucking privilege.

nope, but my best friend does! ;D it's boring to listen to! except from every now and then when he's got something funny to tell.

thanks for sharing what you two talked about Ger, it's always cool to hear how things are going with Dizzy! : ok:

And your point is?

That has nothing to do with what aunt Ger said. The guy has a life outside of GnR. He has a family, maybe he doesn't wanna talk shop all day long. Especially with his family members.

i just stated it. now get off my back.
having such a great job, he shouldn't be sick of talking to fans. that in itself is a privilege.

by the way, i just thought of something.
remember back in the day when rolling stone did that article "where the hell is axl rose?", where they interviewed alot of axl's former friends and stuff? back in 2000? why hasn't anyone approached dizzy about it? he's the guy who's stuck with axl and has been hanging around him all these years! of course other people have to, but in thinking that dizzy actually has been a member of guns n' roses since 1990, it's absurd that they didn't approach him. it's possible that they did, though, and that he refused to talk about him. but no matter how reclusive axl is these days, that's an odd thing to do.

Dizzy knows how to show a girl a good time.

http://pub25.ezboard.com/fthemachineheadforumfrm1.showMessage?topicID=44376.topic&index=2

We send a guy to interview him next time.

That's funny!  :hihi:

Thanks Ger!  Glad you had a good time! :beer:

I believe the story you're referring to was in Spin magazine (with Axl on the cover). I remember getting it and actually thinking CD was around the corner.

It was a good read, cool stuff.

Thanks Aunt Ger
Thanks!


and I BELIEVE YOU.
THANKS JUST TO CARE.
 : ok: :beer: :-*

hmmm glad it was such a nice time...i had a nice time with my family this weekend too,.... does anyone care???

I just get a big ol fucking kick in the ass how "hes tired of answering the same questions all the time"   Well im sure we are just as fucking tired of asking them......

Its not like he would have answered fully or been correct on them anyways...

Axl we need you to say something!!!!!

SOMEONE really needs to say something.  Dizzy is the one getting bothered all the time about everything.  Axl it's not like your doing anything important right now.  Come out of your hole and fucking tell your dedicated fans something they want to hear besides negativity!!  I think we actually deserve something by now...we've been on the Chinese Democracy waiting list for some time now!

Why does everyone " assume " that dizzy is tired of gnr questions?

Hes in the fucking band! ( well, if u can call it a band )
They havent done anything since they have gone " the axl way ", produced fuck all ! ! ! !

I beleive the record has been complete for approx 2 years now, but the label has returned it for axl to sort it out numerous times because its not good enough to release as a $13m investment.

Thats why none of the " axl band " members can say anything about a release date, everytime they think they have it complete, the label says it isnt good enough and returns it for completion!

the dirt: no, it was rolling stone, i knew it was. i checked up on it on this site, though, and the title was actually "what happened to axl rose - the inside story of rock's most famous recluse". i remeber that article being a good read also, but it was so full of bullshit. i do however remember reading a long article titled "where the hell is axl rose?", and that was probably from spin. my bad. :P

Yeah, that must be it  ::)

I hope that everybody understands what a bullshit comment this is.  And chances are that if you do believe this, youre more of an Axl fan than a GNR one anyway.


At least you acknowledge that common sense doesnt apply...

Obviously Axl wont disappoint.  I mean, hes done nothing but come through for the past 10 years.


Yeah, nevermind that they havent been heard, theyre great anyway.


Really?  Id love for you to update us with corrections...

Speed-stone.........Dizzy loves talking to fans!! He'll never turn his back on an autograph, but if you were to buy GH where no one in GN'R gets any royalties from, I doubt he'd autograph that for you. Why can't people walk up to him and tell him how great he looks, or anything other then what the hell is going on with CD or what is Axl really like to work with. He has always been greatful to Axl for asking him to sign up with GN'R.

booker floyd: you should just chill out.

I want to know how the average joe public fan would know that about the GH cd??

say you do more with your time on the internet than I do and visit other non GnR sites?

but your an average fan and you just picked up the GH cd and LOVE IT... ITs your CD of the year,....

IF you asked Dizzy or Axl or Izzy or anyone to sign it whats the reaction???

I dont think after supporting this band For 10 plus years that asking if the band still has a fucking Guitar player is alot to ask... I have 4 Tattoos of this fucking band for christ sake... for anyone to say "your not much of gnr fan anyways" is complete bullshit.. Of course ill fucking wait, what else can i fucking do... but ill bitch the entire time coz the way Iam being left out in the dark is bullshit... Yes "ME", ME, ME, ME... to treat fans this way after they stick with you for soooo long through all the BS is crap... and Its hard to say it but Axl, Your wrong on this bro... Dead Wrong... IF Iam pissed off at this, then you have fucked up bro...

oh and Aunt Ger, your cool, sorry it seems im tearing into your post, Im just pissed off that I (and other fans) dont even know if they have a fucking guitar player and nobody from the band seems to give a fuck......  

I have no clue to who made that last quote. I don't see anything that GN'R has done in the past to be bullshit!!
I know what Axl and the band is capable of creating and there isn't one song in the past I've heard that I didn't like. I was told that CD is awesome, and I believe it to be true, even without hearing it yet. And as far as I'm concerned "Booger"/ Booker or whatever the #*ck your name is........I could give a shit you're not a fan! With an attitude like yours, who needs you? :rant:

A highly intelligent response  : ok:

Kind of puts everything youve said into perspective.

Thanks but no need to apologize to me for anything. Jump in when ever you feel like it. Everyone has to realize that some things can't be said over the Internet. Loose lips sink ships. LOL.....And be pissed off if you want.......I am too, but I'm not gonna get my blood pressure up at my age. Shit!! I'd have a coronary before I ever get a chance to hear CD!! I will keep my cool. I don't spend all day long listening to GN'R music. I have a large variety of music to listen to. Boy!! It's a good thing I didn't get any tatoos yet!! LOL.......I was thinking of putting Chinese Democracy on my shoulder with a date on it.......or question mark....LOL.......Yeah.......everyone should just chill, I agree.

You're a loser!  If you don't want to wait stop racking up posts and leave scumbag

What's in perspective is that you have a problem. Someone who knows Dizzy does us the curtesy of posting on here honestly, without making up bullshit, and falsley raising hopes. Something many of us find interesting and appreciate.

She was telling us what she knows and has been told. What right do you have to have a go at her?

@#$%Muther

I think it's Booker's hobby.....  :hihi:

I suggest certain people stop with the insults.


Thanks Aunt Ger for posting.


Did anybody read the thread (http://pub25.ezboard.com/fthemachineheadforumfrm1.showMessage?topicID=44376.topic&index=2) cineater linked to?

SpyderQueen13



/jarmo

You're welcome Jarmo... :love:

I don't think Booker was that far out of line, especially on the waiting issue.  Being pissed at Axl for the delay does NOT make anyone less of a GNR fan.

I've said this before and I'll repeat it, some people (not referring to anyone specifically) think that in order to be a "fan" of Axl, you must agree unconditionally with everything said or done by him or those surrounding him.

Truly being a "fan" means you can objectively criticize the person for his shortcomings rather than attempt to justify them all the time, while remaining an ardent supporter.

Given the last ten years, every Axl fan has the right to criticize him for his procrastinations, especially given the fact that he's been so prone to teasing and tantalizing his fans with the imminence of the album's release.  ("We're gonna deliver and it's gonna be out of the ballpark!")


I must ask, Aunt Ger, are you insinuating that Dizzy won't sign anything unless he's getting royalties from it?  If I approached him with a pen and a pad of paper and asked him to sign it, would he turn me down, simply because he isn't receiving money for that pad?  "Never turning your back on an autograph" means you sign anything the fans ask.

Also, a poster on this site (can't remember who) once said he approached Dizzy with the first Slash's Snakepit album (to which Dizzy made a substantial contribution) and Dizzy said "I'm not signing that fucking record!"

I see your point but it's not comparable. Dizzy's job is something millions of people have as a hobby and would die to make a living out of. I'm sure Dizzy also felt like that when he first started out as a musician. You're not a musician if you dont love music.

So it might be his job, but it's also his hobby and one of the biggest factors and love in life.

I wouldnt call my work that. I just do the crap Im supposed to do, go home and listen to GNR.

Right?

Some of you really thinks that waiting makes somebody be a GN'R fan?  :rofl: That's really funny. So when we'll have CD (because there is a chance - maybe), we won't be fans anyomre, 'cause we get the damned album? And now the ones who are curious who is in the band and who is not are not fans? So how can I recognize a true GN'R fan - he doesn't mind if there are no news from the band, no news about the state of recordings, no statement whether they'll show up their next gig, and wait until hell freezes over for the CD? Well, a fan can't resist him/herself, when CD sees the light, he/she will buy it - but hell, why this fucking band is unable to communicate with fans?! :rant: Damn, even the Elvis Presley fan club gives more update to the fans, however The King is dead for 27 years!!!

Got that right.

This is not a normal functioning for a band, but nobody make you a fan, you chose that on your own free will. If you dont like it, then go home.

I'm a fan, but I reserve the right to criticise when something happens that I do not find slightly amusing. For example the Buckethead disaster. For all we know, he might even be in the band and we just got bogus reports. That's how it works and you're not human if you're not a tad pissed off or at least quite surprised.

Hi Aunt Ger. Thanks for posting. I guess you enjoyed your trip.
For all the Questions. I understand why Dizzy (and for sure Axl too) is sick of all these Questions, but you know it?s normal. There are a lot of true Fans out there who are waiting for something new. But they also want to get some infos. So, it?s just normal to ask the same Questions all the time. But if there is anyone who don?t believe in Axl, Dizzy, Tommy, Richard...in GnR, that person wouldn?t still be here.  I hope we will get something new soon, cause I believe. And all GnR members will get our full support when they are ready.
Anyway, thanks again, Aunt Ger  :beer:

 :rofl:  Reminds me of:

"In the March 2004 issue of Maxim Magazine on page 46 there's a picture of a line of mummified corpses from Papua New Guinea. The leading line to the story reads "No this isnt a line of fans waiting for the new Guns N' Roses album"..... "  True fans!  :hihi:

He wasn't commenting on the information she passed on between her and Dizzy.  He was commenting on the bullshit comments about "true GN'R fans" or the songs on CD being great.  So what, just because she's Dizzy's aunt she can't be called on for making stupid comments (and not backing them up)?

Wait a second. None of the band are getting royalties for the GH?
Not Slash, Axl, Izzy Duff, or Matt?

So the record company is taking all the money from it?

That sucks.

I don't feel anything I said was stupid! It was just something you didn't want to hear.  I guess I don't know what is a true fan so to speak. I just know that I was told the songs on Chinese Democracy were great. So I'll leave it at that. If all of you have nothing better to do then talk negative about GN'R, then I feel sorry for you. Get on with your life and stop whinning about when is GN'R going to get back in action and come out with CD. Like others have said, there are a lot of great bands out there and great music to listen to. When in fact CD comes out, go and buy it if you'd like, but until it does, stop your bitchin'.

Dont pay any mind to people like booker floyd and such Aunt G.
They get off on talking shit.
As you can see Booker has soo much time on his hands he can reply line by line to everyones posts.

Booker you really need to learn something.
And i know its hard but I know you can do it.
Its called RESPECT.

I really think its sad that Aunt G and Lisa come to the boards as fans, and also try and answer some of our questions and give us a little insight on what is going on since the band has not given any in a while.

Im so sick of some  of you ungreatful whiney so called fans.
If  you dont want to hear what they have to tell us then dont read the damn post but stop it with all the petty insults and wise ass remarks, its getting old.

As we all know things in this band change, even on a daily basis, sowhat is t rue a week ago might not be true now.
If  you have not learned to deal with that by now then i feel sorry for you.
But you really should have learned that a long time ago.

Now get over it and if you dont have anything to add to the convo without bashing or insulting someone, dont do it.

 :hihi:


I didnt realize it took soo much time to use the quote function efficiently?  

I guess some people pick things up faster than others...


Understand something: I dont give a shit whether Aunt Ger or Lisa or Axl himself makes comments such as "just wait, and if you don't want to wait, then you were never true GN'R fans to begin with"...I will comment on the stupidity of it regardless.  It has nothing to do with who made the statement.  I see comments like these, and I comment on them - thats how message boards work, I think.  And in the tradition of this boards fairness, someone responds to my sarcastic but generally uninsulting posts with "Fuck you "Booger" and everybody cheers...Insults are okay, as long as their directed toward the "bad guy".


Sure, with stupid posts...


Hmmm...you mean like claiming that the album will be out by Thanksgiving?  Naaa...


If she had *just* told us what she knew, that would have been fine.  But she saw fit to inject her opinion...and that too is fine, but I think her opinion is wrong and said so.  Thats the nature of an internet message board.  And shes the one who resorted to personal insults.


I dont think I was out of line at all.

Its real simple...I took those comments and applied common sense to each.

"If you dont like waiting, you were never a true GNR fan" - Bullshit, for obvious reasons.

"Believe in Axl, he wont disappoint" - Sure, if you ignore the fact that the last 10 years have been nothing but disappointments.  He sure came through on December 6, why would anyone question their faith in him?

"The songs on Chinese Democracy are great" - Now, had she said "probably" or "hopefully" I would have kept my mouth shut.  But the blindness of that comment is ridiculous to me, and it should be to everybody else.  And if you dont want to comment, fine, but dont dont villify me for pointing out the obvious.



^ Listen to this man.


 :confused:

So because you were told something, you believe it?  Okay...


And the oversimplified cliche argument is echoed for the billionth time.  Us "negative" types are GNR fans.  We come to this board to discuss GNR.  It just so happens that nearly everything about GNR at the moment sucks, and has for sometime.  So should we stop commenting or having an opinion because of that?  We should only be positive?  Well, thats gonna be impossible for the less delusional, because we recognize how silly, and downright delusional, a lot of this boards so-called positivity is.  And then someone will say "Youre biased, youre positive about Velvet Revolver!"  Anybody with a half-objective eye can look at the two situations and understand why our opinions are the way they are.  When things in GNR stop sucking, Ill be thrilled.  But until then, as a fan of the original Guns N' Roses (the real reason everybody is here), and a hopeful fan of the new GNR, Ill call it as I see it.  And if that hurts some of your feelings, or shatters some of your illusions, then Im sorry.  

Wow! Booker......sorry you have so much animosity built up in you. I'll only comment on one thing. I was told by three people that have actually heard the songs on CD. I believe they would not lie in telling me this. Everyone is entitled to their oppinions on GN'R, but negative comments sure as hell are not going to get Axl back in action. As for the album coming out by Thanksgiving. Dizzy himself said in an interview that it would be out by June, and when it didn't come out by then, I was told by Thanksgiving. Sooooo I made an ass out of myself by posting that and it never happened. Well.......for wonderful people like yourself........I won't post anymore information I may have, whether it be true or not. Sorry for the insults, but I can dish them out just like anyone else, and I will defend GN'R and it's members against anyone who disses them.  :peace:

Booker, son, I think you need to eat more pancakes in the morning because obviously someone keeps pissing in your cheerios.

Three words for you GET A LIFE.

Just because people are not negative like yourself and share your viewpoint and happen to have faith and believe in a band that you love to see as "non-existant" why does it bother you?  I am surprised at how disrepectful your posts are to EVERYONE on here.  Contrary to what you believe, you do not know it all so stop being so condescending to people.   >:(

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I?ll let this question to somebody else ask.

Sorry.....my comments aren't appreciated, so I won't say who told me that the songs were great.

 ::)

don?t take what Booker Floyd said like if all of us "feels" the same way...
I agreed with him in some points and TOTALLY AGREED with YOU in others

what about I PM you to know that?  ;)

I know.....I know Rnt... : ok:

that the older gnr members dont get nething sux

That's fucking funny TIPSY, cuz your own posts seem to share Booker's skeptical point of view about this band.  Here's some of your faith in newGNR:

 -- Tipsy

Eat some of those cheerios, dude.  

Booker can be er, abrasive, but he said:


Pretty much everybody on this board has been doing exactly that, including yourself.

Does the band have a guitar player??? i dont care about CD anymore...there are no news for that anyways...

But does the band still have a guitar player???? :'( :'( :crying:

I was wrong.  Dizzy is not playing in Hollywood tonight.

Now Ger what are you doing over here taking this kind of abuse?  Come on were getting ready for a party.  By the way you didn't say what you did with your hair?

No, but that's irrelevant.


I still say it's irrelevant.  You're saying that Dizzy wouldn't sign a GNR-related item because he didn't make money off of it.  I mean for crying out loud, asking him to sign the GH record isn't exactly the same thing as asking Paris Hilton to sign the bootleg porn video she's in.



Hmmm, Dizzy not autographing something that he worked on with Slash and several other former GNR members.  I wonder what that reason might be?   :P


Really?  Would he sign it after I wiped too?   :hihi:  (That was a joke, flamers.  A shame I have to clarify that, but I do so to avoid the obligatory flaming.)


You should never have to apologize for that reason Booker.  People such as you and I give this board balance.  Otherwise, it would have long been an Axl-worshipping shrine.  Neither you or I expects Axl's apostles to apologize for defending him so rabidly (nor would they), so don't do the same yourself.

And to everyone else, read my post about being a fan.  Some of you need to get it through your heads that you can offer due criticism of your idols and still be a fan.



:hihi:  I could add some more sarcasm to your statement, but I think I'll refrain this time since Dave didn't say anything directly to my offense.


True, and that serves as another reason why you shouldn't apologize.

booker floyd, stop making an ass out of yourself. go back to your own shitty life, and stop taking it out on us. that meaning people in here. fuck you. i remember you insulting me months and months ago for no reason also, so fuck off and leave people alone, at least the ones who are simply stating their opinion. now take a hike.

I may be negative in my posts but I don't entice a poster like Booker does just because they don't share my viewpoint.  With my statements, I was speaking collectively.  I don't go in and purposely pick apart the statements made by posters and quote them back as I don't care if people don't share my view point.  And I certainly don't let it get to me enough to be condescending >:(

So before you go frothing at the mouth, read Booker's posts again and then mine. ::)

Funny how Booker needs to leave people alone who are simply stating their opinion, but when Booker simply states his opinion, he gets flamed with profanity-laden insults and is told to leave the site.



Well, I read your post, and here I go frothing at the mouth.  I pick people's posts apart line by line because I address statements that I feel are worth addressing and discussing.  It isn't a matter of "caring" whether or not someone shares my viewpoint.  It's a matter of bringing more than one opinion to the table when a subject is being rationally discussed.  I don't know if you realize this, but when an actual discussion is taking place, "collective" (as you put it) statements go out the window.  Nobody sits down and speaks collectively when they're having a discussion, they address and debate any individual statements worth the time.  And obviously, discussions here are worth all of our time because otherwise we wouldn't be here.

There, my "frothing at the mouth" is complete.  

The only problem I've got with Booker is the way he states his opinion.  Not his actual opinion...simply how he goes about it.  He often comes off as ridiculing and being obnoxious.  I don't care if he states his opinion...I'm sure most don't...but when he does it in such a way that it's clearly intended to infuriate others....then that I have a problem with.

It simply promotes others into flaming him...then that's all the thread becomes...one big flame war....just like this one has..

Does this band still have a guitar player??

Your responses in this thread are completely out of whack with reality.  This is a prime example.

You see, nobody is grinding their life to a halt over this band.  The world does not revolve around GNR.  It didn't when they were actually a popular R&R group, and it most certainly doesn't now.   So please, stop with the over-dramatization, ok?


dave-gnfnr2k writes:

Respect is a two way street.  Seeing that Aunt Ger has shown none for Booker, I see no reason why he should have a whole lot for her.  



I think blatant brown-nosing is even sadder.


Shouldn't this be directed at Aunt Ger, as she is the one who insulted Booker.  Not vice versa.


It's just so sad that someone would have a negative thing to say about GNR, considering everything they've been doing right lately, isn't it?  I really feel for you, man

I hope we're done with the "poor Booker / Booker the asshole" thing for now.

Obviously by posting what he did he knew he might get attacked. Same thing when you post negative comments about Steven in the Ex-Gunners section. Right Dizzy? ;)




/jarmo

Does this band still have a guitar player?? Aunt Ger? Mysteron, Axl, anyone???

After reading this entire 9 page thread...

It seems like Dizzy and Booker are the 2 who I agree with the most.  as a 17 year Guns N' Roses fan-i find it absolutely rediculous that the GNR camp cant even give us a simple update saying they still have a guitarist, or saying the album is in pre-production/post-production/nowhere near complete, or even tell us if they're going to show up in Lisbon.

I have bought, and will buy any record GNR releases.  I WILL NOT buy the Greatest Hits album, because I dont need an album with 14 songs that I already own.  I also think Axl Rose is a lunatic.  I camped out for 40 hours to get front row tickets to the Chinese Democracy Tour, and I was one of the lucky few who actually got to see a show.

Seriously, what the hell has that man done for us in 10 years??  We paid for his house, we paid for his drug addictions, we paid for his legal trouble, we paid for his cars, his assistants, yet what has he done for US in the last ten years??  

Dont get me wrong, I feel Axl is one of the greatest songwriters and frontmen to ever live, but the guy is a fucking jackass.  I dont even think HE understands whats going on inside his head on a daily basis.  

I support everything Guns N' Roses does, as long as its positive.  But whats so positive about a cancelled tour, continued delays and excuses-or lack of excuses-as to why the album isnt out, and not even addressing whether or not you still have a guitarist in the band?  You have MANAGEMENT.  Its not like Axl has to go out and make these press releases himself, thats his Manager's job.

Needless to say, even though I absolutely cannot stand Scott Weiland- I'm way more excited about Velvet Revolver than Guns N' Roses these days.  This is mainly because I've come to the point where I dont even think Chinese Democracy will ever see the light of day until Axl Rose is dead and buried.  And only then if we're lucky.

At least with VR we get new music from key members of GNR.  I just wish their singer didnt completely suck.

You call this abuse?? LOL.......These people are pumped up. Just interested in what their oppinions are. As for my hair?? I was ready to put some pink and purple streaks in it, but chickened out. Maybe next time!! OK.......so where's the party?? :beer:

Please ignore the small minded idiots that abuse you for your discretion,these are the same people who cut you off in traffic,dont hold doors open for you, they believe they have a god given right to information that you feel is wrong to give... some gnr fans still have class :beer:

First party is Thursday--Lars' birthday.

Then we jump to June--Denmark.

Counterfeit_God  great post.

Aunt Ger is a toughy, she can ignore/deal with idiots as they come her way.

You paid for his house buy buying a product which you got. So what if he invested some of the money in a house, that's really not any of our business.

If you buy a pizza at a pizza place and take it home, do you expect the guy who owns the place to come over to your place and wash the dishes too? What has HE done for you lately?  :hihi:

I'm sure a lot of record company executives are living in nice houses because of us buying albums, are you gonna demand stuff from them as well?  ::)



/jarmo

i agree with jarmo with this one.oh and hi ya aunt ger !
if you buy something axl made then you are getting a product of his music,thats all.
the party is right here.HTGTH !

Thanks for the compliment SLCPUNK!.........I'm sorry if I stepped on anyones toes here. I'm really a sweet, wonderful person. I just don't like remarks that degrade Axl, Dizzy or the whole band, old and new members.  :peace:

Well...what band are you talking about?? This is getting ridiculous. but I guess with no official news. The rumors will keep coming...surely, Guns N Roses should know this by now...

and by the way there are some remarks and abuses in this thread that should not be spoken between us gnr-fans...=)

I mean...take it for what it is!

I, as usual, agree with Dizzy and Booker.  This is now beyond ridiculous.  What was once a great and proud rock and roll band has been destroyed.  It is now to the point that history will see this band as a joke and not as one of the great rock bands of all time.   :'(  

There is nothing sadder than watching a great legacy destroyed by an ego.  I just see Axl as a modern day Nero.  He is the egotistical idiot in his house playing the violin as Rome burns all around him.  And what is worse is that he appears to be oblivious to the fact that he has destroyed his own legacy.

-TyRod-

such bullshit. you'll eat your words when guns n' roses are on stage again, AND when chinese democracy comes out.
and by the way, the legacy of axl rose is already there, and he couldn't destroy it if he tried.

w. axl rose is and will always be a legend. he has left his mark on music history forever.

Ditto to that Speed_Stone !! I agree with you 100% !!  :beer:

I hope you are right.  I'd love to eat those words.  It would be a pleasure.

But I doubt I will.

-TyRod-

Yes.  But now there is an asteriks next to his name.

*  Destroyed and humilitated the name GNR due to ego and utter stupidity.

Dizzy, Booker and you are all great people because you argue well, and you all have valid arguments

But outside of that, strip away any expectation, any press cuttings etc.. Look at gnr with respect to album releases, then you are looking at one of the best bands ever in the history of music, And that is all that matters at this moment in time

If Axl were never to release anything ever again, then so be it. That is his perogative

The perspective you are looking at, the one that has supposedly destroyed gnr  :hihi: is a perspective created by the media, by expectant fans, by people that dislike Axl and Dizzy's aunt, bless her cotton socks and her pink and purple hair

That is my opinion

I really don't understand why Booker deserves to be attacked over the comments he made. Many of us agree with him.

I totally respect Aunt Ger. I think it's wonderful that she posts here and is so supportive of her nephew. I even thought people were being too hard on her for demanding her to get answers from Dizzy for us.  However, I completely disagree with what she said.

I mean no disrespect to her, but the fact is she can't she the band through our eyes. She sees them through the eyes of a loving aunt. She is going to be supportive of them no matter what because of her personal connection to the band. Of course there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but she can't expect everyone else to feel the same way about the band.

Our only connection to the band is their music but we haven't gotten a new studio album in 14 years. 14 years is a hell of a long time to expect fans to sit around waiting for the band to resurface. That's almost 2/3 of my 22 years on earth! Some fans may have no problem with waiting and dealing with all the negativity that comes along with being a fan, but there are those of us who don't want to deal with the same old bullshit time after time.

I don't think it's fair to judge a person as a fan unless you've been in their shoes. Do you know what it's like to have your lifelong dream of seeing your favorite band shattered because the lead singer decides he doesn't want to show up? Imagine what it's like to be at the actual concert, having set through the opening acts, only to  find out that the show isn't going to take place after all.  Do you know what that is like? Especially when the band doesn't respect their fans enough to offer an apology or an explanation and they just disappear for over a year. That's only one example of the shit we have to deal with being GNR fans.

I don't like being accused of not being a good enough fan because I'm tired of all the shit that is thrown at us. I consider myself a great GNR fan because I absolutely adore the music they gave to us, but that is in the past. I am not a fan of this new band because that have done absolutely nothing to earn my support or respect. They may win me over someday, but until they actually do something there is no reason for me to give them my unconditional support.

HEY!  You stole my words!

that?s EXACTLY what I think, maybe Aunt Ger, Mysteron and others don?t look at GNR the way we ( "ordinary" fans, people that dont "know" any inside info or people close to the band ) look, cause the only thing we can see is a band (?) that just come and say "hey, we?re alive! this is our news... " and "bla bla bla" , then just DISAPEAR ... then some years ahead come back with the same old situation... but we can?t just say "calm down, the plan is going well ... "  :-X

This is one of the best and most thought out and non judgmental posts ive read in along time... I like the way you pointed out the good in both side of this stupid argument..  bottom line is were all here for the same reason....if its family connections, musical likes, personal history...we all visit and post for the same damn reason.....lets call a truce shall we?

Maybe it's that. Maybe it's age though. I'm late 30's. By nature, I have learnt not to expect too much from people. I'm quite a chilled person

Many bands in the history of music imo have cancelled concerts, been there, done that blah.... I'm going to Rio in May for gnr. If they turn up, cool. If they don't, then I will enjoy the experience anyway. I'll go to have a few beers, have a laugh, listen to some good music and enjoy the experience.....and I will do that whether gnr are there or not

I've been a fan of gnr for a very long time, but I have also learnt to appreciate how they function

Well, its been hardly "Poor Booker," just reasonable people saying they agree with my posts.  The "Booker the asshole" part is right-on though.

Great post, GirlGunner.

Girlrunner........sorry you don't agree with me,but glad you respect me anyway. And you are wrong in saying that I love the band because Dizzy is in it. I loved GN'R music before he signed up. And no one is getting older by the day then I am.......give me a break! I just turned 55!! I've been waiting to hear new tunes as long as anyone else, but being pissed about it isn't gonna get it out any sooner. Imagine seeing me in a car next to you at a traffic like blasting out Chinese Democracy when it surfaces. My hair can't get any gray/whiter or whatever. And if you don't want to sit around and wait for it, then fine. Move on to listening to some other band. And I know what it's like to have GN'R not show up for a concert. It happened to me too, but I didn't take it out on Dizzy, and bitch at him about it. Shit happens!! That's part of life. I get on with mine, and hope you don't sit and wait for CD to come out and then complain that you waited so long for it and it wasn't as good as you thought it would be. They'll always be those that criticize anything and everything that GN'R does.  :peace:

GirlGunner,
That was an exceptionally good post.


Aunt Ger,

You don't seem to grasp the fact that just because we are here discussing Axl, his band, and the delays does not mean we aren't going on with our lives.  GNR is obviously our favorite or one of our favorite bands, so naturally we're going to be discussing it under any and all circumstances.  That doesn't mean we are obsessing over what Axl does or doesn't do and it doesn't mean we're not out there rocking our asses off to other music.

There is no better example than myself to attest to that fact.  Yeah, like many people, I'm here every damn day discussing the same shit over and over.  But you know what?  I also have around 570 CDs in my collection that I listen to as often as possible.  I also attended 9 concerts last year.  I've already been to one this year, and I've got tickets for two more already, and hopefully more to come as the year progresses.  I also belong to several other message boards like this one, only they are devoted to other bands.  I belong to a Motley Crue board.  I belong to an Ozzy Osbourne board.  I occasionally visit AC/DC boards.

So in summation, just because I am here offering complaints and criticism, points and counterpoints regarding Mr. Axl Rose and his band, does not mean I am dwelling on him and not living my life as I should.



:hihi:


 : ok:


At the very least, they still have Robin Finck and Richard Fortus.

You just made me smirk, there, young fellow.  You know why?  Because I have heard that "you're going to eat your words" statement made about 1000 times over the past three years.

From the beginning, I said that Axl was going to have an extremely difficult time holding it together on his own.  Given his past dispositions, I didn't feel this was a ludicrous, uneducated assumption on my part.

But I can remember the kids on MTV.com (and later this site) telling me I was going to eat my words when Axl hit the stage for the 2001 European tour he had planned.  But then it got postponed.  But still, they told me to wait and see.  The European tour got rescheduled for December 2001.  They told me to just wait until Axl was onstage kicking ass at that tour.

Then after that got cancelled, Axl did a show in Vegas, telling everybody that he didn't even know he had a European tour to begin with.

But still, the young-uns defied me to doubt Axl, and told me to wait and see, and that I would eat my words.

After 8 months of nothingness from Axl, the overseas mini-tour came.  My detractors were ecstatic.  They said "SEE!  We told you Dizzy!  Now you're really going to eat your words!"

Then came the VMAs, and despite Axl's remarkably poor showing that night, it nonetheless served as fuel to the fire of the Axl faithful and their ammo against me.

Then came the "Chinese Democracy World Tour".  Axl's apostles were again ecstatic.  They rubbed it in my face as much as possible.  They continued to rub it in my face even after Axl didn't show on the very first show of the tour.  They continued to rub it in my face despite all the horrible reviews by every critic on the planet of the shows that Axl did perform.  They continued to rub it in my face despite the incredibly poor attendance ratio.  For the record, Axl sold an average of 7,344 tickets in venues that seated between 16-18,000.  Only two of the shows were sellouts, and they were only in the biggest and most populated cities on the tour (Boston and New York).

But then came the infamous Philly incident.  Axl's second no-show in a tour already plagued by Axl's tardiness, poor attendance, and terrible reviews, not to mention Axl's venomous tirades against the former bandmates who helped make GNR what it is.

And so the tour was cancelled by the frustrated promoters.  Since then (a period of nearly 16 months), not one word from Axl.  Silence.

Oh, and did I mention that, despite his repeated promises to deliver, Axl has yet to release an album?

Wow.  I really ended up eating my words like all my critics boded that I would, didn't I?

So in conclusion Mr. Speed_stone....

You (like so many others before you) say I am going to eat my words, you say Axl will prove me wrong.  My question to you is, how many more times will Axl prove me right before he finally proves me wrong?

well, i just have to congratulate you on an excellent post. :)
understand that guns n' roses has been my favourite band since i started listening to music, and axl has always been my favourite member. things are still like this, 13 years after, and i still believe in axl, so i was simply saying that i think alot of the loudmouths who are quick to judge him without even knowing what he's up to, will indeed eat their words when "chinese democracy" eventually sees the light of day. probably alot sooner, and hopefully at lisbon. :P peace
by the way, i know i still didn't answer your question, for obvious reasons. ;D

I, although not young, said "Axl will show you".......

I concede.


Sad to say......it appears you were right.


Yep.


Yeah, not so sure I believe that anymore.


And even us not-so-young-uns.


Yep......yep......and more yep-yep.


Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah, GN'R was back reclaiming the throne of the rock 'n' roll world whcih had been takin over by Jay-Z....and, and.....Puffy......and, and.......(place any other angry kill the cops they are the enemy rap-extraordinaire here).


I was there.  This was supposed to be the greatest concert experience of my life.  I would rather have sat through a "New Kids On The Block" reunion concert.


Yep, anybody who had defended Axl and his antics deserved an explanation.  The world didn't really care.  We here did.  A little message on this board or any other Gn'R board wouldv'e been cool.  Nah, nothing.


Yeah, well...........soon isn't the word...........right loyal fans??  The best way to have battled the Greatest Hits album would have been to drop CD right on top of it.  No, let the courts do your talkin.  Still lost.


Yes you sure did.  You must be stuffed...so, so many words (sarcasm).


At this point I no longer care.  When/if the album is ever released I will surely buy it as I'm sure Dizzy will.  But the fire I carried for Axl and his talent has fizzled.  

Slash, Duff & Matt have proven to be more fan friendly with their insights and updates to the progress of their music which has A RELEASE DATE!!!!!!  

Axl, it is us who ultimately pays your bills.  At this point you'll only get my $15.99 or so for the cd.  That will be it.  Good luck with your tour.  Try being a big boy and showing up on time cuz the "bad boy" rocker days seem to have went bye-bye with GN'R of the early 90's.  

If I sound bitter.....I'm not......just have moved on to other artists who seem to appreciate the give and take of music and their fans.

I'm now looking forward to future releases from Silvertide, Beautiful Creatures,............and of course, Velvet Revolver..........

JUNE 8th, 2004.  What Round is it now ??.....Oh, wait there are no rounds if there is no opponent.

You're right, but somehow I cant help being pissed anyway  :hihi:

K-Rock mentioned the fire we carry for Axl.  I think that's a good way of describing how we want to feel for this band.  

Maybe when I'm 30, I'll be "chilled" like Mysteron is, and "not caring if guitarists are replaced"...  I didnt realize that 30 was such a dramatic change in how you feel towards your favorite band.  It's disheartening.

Hey.......I'm way past 30...so think of how chilled I am !! My blood runs cold!! LOL

Aunt Ger, I didn't mean to imply that the only reason you enjoy GNR is because of your relation to Dizzy. What I mean is that you have a personal connection to the band that gives you an entirely different perspective on the band than the rest of us. You now view them through the eyes of a supportive aunt rather than through the eyes of a fan who has no connection.

You're right shit happens and cancelled concerts is a part of life. However, GNR never handle these situations in a professional manner. It's one thing if they would cancel for a legitimate reason and provide fans with a proper explanation, but it's an entirely different story with GNR because of the lack of courtesy towards their fans. That's pretty much the bottom line when it's all said and done with this band. They lack courtesy and respect for those who continue to support their career through thick and thin.

I have never seen a band that has made it so difficult for anyone to be a fan of theirs. Especially considering this band has been virtually inactive for a decade and need all the fan support they can get. They are in the business of music and they go about their business poorly. I can't believe management lets them get away with their decision to be silent because it's career suicide. It's a wonder so many remain supportive after all we have been put through, but I can't imagine people continuing on for long. A line has to be drawn somewhere and for their sake I really hope they don't cross it.

I also don't understand why those of us who are critical towards the band are pegged as the losers who spend their lives waiting for this cd. The way I see it, we are the most rational ones out there. We're not the ones who blindly supports a band who goes out of their way to alienate us. We're not the ones spending our days waiting for any bit of news from the band. We're not the ones who fall for every rumor that is thrown our way. We're not the ones who turn everything into a GNR conspiracy (ie the countless GNR movie soundtrack threads). We're the ones who excercise some common sense and use the past to make an educated guess about the future.

Personally, I could care less about CD. I may download it out of curiosity when it's released but other than that it doesn't matter to me in the least. What matters to me is the fact that my favorite band has turned into a joke because of the utter lack of respect and professionalism from them. Other than that, I'm having a great time enjoying my favorite bands who actually release music and appreciate their fans.  :beer:

another good post.
the constant fascinaton with guns n' roses is amazing.
they were unpredictable ass hell in the past, too, that's part of the fun. :P
and you'll by it when it comes out, i'm sure of it. :)

Gnr was and always will be about the music. When the material gets released then you will all be eating your words. Till then, well you are right, the whol eprocess has been a joke.

The thing with that is, a lot of that has to do with the media and the fans. We can go on for days about the gnr communication but thats not the point. If gnrs plan was to keep shut till they released the material its not thier fault peopel create rumors and then that gets analzyzed and printed.

It seems to me people enjoy jumping on Axl every chance they get. And thats fine. He puts himself in a lot of bad situations. It comes with the territory. But again, when its about the music I know he will deliver. If you wanna call me a loyalist for that, so be it. I will never doubt a rock legend.

Aunt Ger, I respect your opinions and enjoy your posts. I unfortunately do not agree with you though. I think you are no better than the people who create bullshit rumors that turn out to be lies. Its great you Dizzy's aunt but by you relaying vague information and information that never pans out you make things work. Again im not trying to insult you, im just saying that by relaying info gets peoples hopes up. But a lot of peopel around here cant handle news. Look how the past "x" amount of years on the internet has turned out. Garbage

My point is that by relaying vague info isnt helping. I personally rather just enjoy your postings on gnr rather than cd updates or stuff dizzy said. Unless you can get solid concrete info from Dizzy then its not worth it. And i dont mean release dates. Im just talking about lil cd tidbits. {songs,lyrics,members,stories etc}.



Can we please stop with the bow down to me because im a gnr fan bullshit.
The band has been inactive for 10 years for many reasons. Band breakup,lawsuits,finding a new direction, new band, contracts,tours etc....

The important thing is that there is atleast 2 solid albums worth of material. It is up to you and has been up to you to patiently wait. No1 tells you to check these boards everyday. No1 tells you to believe the rumors. Dont you people get it? Since the beginning of gnr message boards therehave been rumors every dam day. Most created by their own fans. It is not the bands fault that you indulge yourselves in these rumors on a daily basis. The band should not have said a word in terms of possible release dates, i agree. But things have obiviously gone wrong along the way.

Once again, when its all said and done it will be about the music. If cd is a masterpiece then all of the waiting will not be an issue. If its a masterpiece then all the talk about gnr being a joke will go away. Gnr is a joke. The way they handle things is a joke. But who the fuk cares. Its rock n roll. gnr was and always will be a circus. WHat seperates them from everyone else is the fukin music. The old era mastered that now lets see if the new lineup will do the same.

Relax. When it comes out it will be out and we will have the album number 1 on the charts for the longest time.

amen to that! or wait, i'm not a christian.
cheers to that! :beer:
i'm so looking forward to gloat to everyone who has been calling me a lunatic for putting up with this band. :P

ten years of waiting will finally pay off.
and it will pay off more than anyone can imagine.
now it's time for me to leave this baord for a while. bye ya'all.

What's cooler then being cool?

And just to add something to this discussion, I think part of the problem, is that we have alway's been told that Chinese Democracy will come out, so it's hard not for us to turn every negative into a postive, as the belief is, and will always be, with every screw-up, set-back, and mistake, we are one step closer to CD. Perhaps we where alot further away then anyone realized..

Starting to think that maybe we will never see the album after all.  All these delays, someone will have to make friends with Axl, chill at his house and fucking find those master copies.

I never get tired of reading people's posts and hearing them say that GNR has "at least 2 solid albums worth of material" or "they are saving their big guns" or "they have 3 albums recorded".  These lines make me piss my pants laughing.

How can anyone be so naive as to think Axl has 2 or 3 albums worth of material.  Right now he can't find 12 songs to release (because if he could he would have by now).  I love that people hold on to Axl's previous statements like they are fact.  He has lied/been wrong about everything he has stated before about CD.  Why do you people still believe these things??  And why do you state them as fact??

We know of exactly zero songs being complete.   Do the sane people here a favor and don't state these things as fact anymore.

-TyRod-

Without a doubt :hihi:       I can just see that in ten years people will be saying that he has around 13 albums that simply require those famous finishing touches :D

You've all created your own little world on this board. Some of you have spent far too much time here clearly.

The actual things Axl has done wrong have far less effect on you all than all the rumours and false hopes you've created/wound yourselves up over.

For fucks sake will people give up their constant moaning? The point is Aunt Ger posts something, and the whole thread changes into people moaning about Axl's done this, Axl's done that. That is sad in itself.

For every bullshit comment about how Axl has three albums done, etc, there's a bullshit comment about how he's done nothing.

For example, here's tyrod going on about how it makes him laugh that people say they're saving the big guns, and there are three albums, blah, blah, and yet what he is saying is just as laughable because he knows jackshit just like the people he's talking about.

Right now, it's easy for anyone to say this won't happen, that won't happen. It's a pretty safe bet you'll be right. To say afterwards, ha, I was right is just crap. A lot of people seem to be more concerned about being right, than what is actually happening to GNR.

There are optimists and pesimists who have plenty to say on the subject, there are people who really like GNR and are positive, and those who for seem reason want to criticize everything they do.

In the end, none of you know anything about what's going on. Just as mindless optimism is ridiculous, so is all of the moaning and pointless pessimism.

@#$%Muther

The things I focus my energies on in life are my health, my family and friends etc. With respect to Guns n'roses, I'd rather just sit back and watch the rollercoaster rather then be on it, if you get what I mean.

Amen to health, family & friends.

As for the rollercoaster, my friend, has the ride become an illusion?

Girlgunner and younggunner....you do have some good points there, but the fact of the matter remains. I am, and always will be a GunsN'Roses supporter. I love their music and will continue to wait until CD comes out, if, in fact it does. I'm an optimist, plain and simple.

They havnt release anything yet because they arent going to release material when they arent ready to go in a full fledged tour and ouple of year albums/tours jaunt. It has been said countless times that this band has albums worth of material. Whether you want to believe that or not is your problem. The whole process in which they are going about it is a joke but there othing that can be done. SHit has happened along the way. A lot of shit.

Aunt ger well said, im no pessimistic trust me,...im the biggest optimist here. and its for a reason

I've only been follwing this thread since about 5 pages,  Can anyone tell me if DIZZY was ever interviewed?

If so has anyone posted a transcript?

He was on the radio, but I haven't seen any transcription of what he said.



/jarmo

So nobody from that post here heard it or recoreded it?



hmmmm