Did Tony get whacked last Sunday?

[GeraldFord]

Yes/No

I say yes he did.

[jarmo]

Yeah....


Great ending. Not the typical ending.

I guess a lot of people are pissed because it didn't end like they expected.




/jarmo

[The Dog]

I say no.  The show will go on, we just won't be able to watch anymore.....

[loretian]

I loved the ending.  I think he could very well have gotten whacked, or maybe not.  I think the idea was we could believe what we wanted to believe.  If David Chase wanted to give us a clear ending, he could have, but he didn't, so it has to remain unclear.

Damn good show, though.

Anyone catch John From Cincinatti afterwards?

[Drew]

I say yes.

When Tony is sitting at the table looking up at who keeps walking through the door and then the camera cuts to who keeps walking in, the camera is looking from Tony's point of view. Then you cut to the guy sitting at the counter looking over his shoulder at Tony. The guy then gets up and walks in the bathroom. Tony continues to look up at who keeps coming in, and the camera continues to cut to his point of view. Finally, Meadow comes in and the screen goes black and the music stops both at the same exact time, hence, this is from Tony's point of view and it's the last thing he sees (the guy who went in the bathroom shot him in the back of the head).

[sandman]

definitely not.

life goes on in the soprano world.

the last scene made the viewer feel what tony feels every day - nervous that the next person walking in could be his killer. he was paranoid sitting there and looked up nervously everytime someone walked in. watch the scene again and you realize how innocent everyone in the shop actually is.

a hollywood ending would have cheapened the legacy.

[Drew]

the last scene made the viewer feel what tony feels every day - nervous that the next person walking in could be his killer. he was paranoid sitting there and looked up nervously everytime someone walked in. watch the scene again and you realize how innocent everyone in the shop actually is.

Then why was Meadow not shown coming thru the door as everyone else was?

Picture goes black and music stops at the same time. Just like if you were shot in the back of the head.

[GeraldFord]

the last scene made the viewer feel what tony feels every day - nervous that the next person walking in could be his killer. he was paranoid sitting there and looked up nervously everytime someone walked in. watch the scene again and you realize how innocent everyone in the shop actually is.

Then why was Meadow not shown coming thru the door as everyone else was?

Picture goes black and music stops at the same time. Just like if you were shot in the back of the head.

I don't think that there is a definitive yes-or-no answer. It's up to the viewer to draw a conclusion. I think what both Sandman and Drew said make perfect sense, although they arrived at different conclusions.

[Drew]

I don't think that there is a definitive yes-or-no answer. It's up to the viewer to draw a conclusion. I think what both Sandman and Drew said make perfect sense, although they arrived at different conclusions.

Oh yeah I agree completely. It is definitely left up to the viewer to come with their own scenario of what happens. Everyone's opinion on what htey think happens is what makes it good conversation. 

[sandman]

the show was never seen directly through the eyes of Tony. it wouldn't make sense.

also, there's no reason to believe anyone wanted to kill him.

consider the lyrics to the song...

Working hard to get my fill,
Everybody wants a thrill
Payin anything to roll the dice,
Just one more time
Some will win, some will lose
Some were born to sing the blues
Oh, the movie never ends
It goes on and on and on and on

[The Dog]

the show was never seen directly through the eyes of Tony. it wouldn't make sense.

also, there's no reason to believe anyone wanted to kill him.

consider the lyrics to the song...

Working hard to get my fill,
Everybody wants a thrill
Payin anything to roll the dice,
Just one more time
Some will win, some will lose
Some were born to sing the blues
Oh, the movie never ends
It goes on and on and on and on

excellent observation.  "on and on and on" -- exactly as life will go on in the sopranos world but we the viewer have seen all we'll see. 

hes def not dead, Chase said today he'd consider doing a movie if he had a great idea.  no way you do a sopranos movie without Tony.

i think the build up at the end was to make you think he was going to get killed, but it was all just a big tease. 

[faldor]

definitely not.

life goes on in the soprano world.

the last scene made the viewer feel what tony feels every day - nervous that the next person walking in could be his killer. he was paranoid sitting there and looked up nervously everytime someone walked in. watch the scene again and you realize how innocent everyone in the shop actually is.

a hollywood ending would have cheapened the legacy.

Someone called up the Howard Stern show on Monday and gave his thoughts, which I thought were quite unique and well put.  Much like your theory about the viewer feeling paranoid and anxious.  He brought up the fact that as paranoid as WE were watching, Tony seemed completely calm and at ease.  He wasn't on edge at all.  And he brought up the fact that Tony and Bobby were talking about what it would be like to get whacked and how they felt that you'd never see it coming, it'd just happen.  The caller made the assessment that WE as viewers got whacked in that final scene.  We never saw it coming, just fade to black.  I hope I did justice in explaining that, the way he put it was perfect.

[sandman]

interesting points.

i love the line in the song "some were born to sing the blues." that's what the show was about - tony's depression and how it effected his dealings with his two families. and AJ has similar depression issues - i think carmela referred to it as "the soprano curse" earlier this season.

[November Rain 91]

got this in an email yesterday. makes a lot of sense if you think about it, except the part about the black guys. that was the end of the first season or beginning of the second where junior hires black guys and they shoot him in the ear. one of the guys gets shot in the head, so...he wouldn't have shown up in the diner.

Thought some of you would enjoy this analysis of the last Sopranos
episode. If you haven't watched the show for a few years, you prob
won't get it. And if you haven't seen it yet, sorry to ruin it for
you, but its Tuesday already.






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From: Scheinerman, Lisa
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:36 AM

Subject: Sopranos theory





Anyone that's a fan and watched the finale last night, this might help
if anyone was confused because i sure was... let me know what you
think...


He was killed....

in fact, the ending was genius if you've paid attention to the show or
are just a fan of well developed well thought out plots that all tie
together and have the memory of a champ to remember it all

the ending was simple, he got killed, but let me tell yall why and
explain in detail... There was 3 people in the room total who had a
reason to kill tony.....

the two black guys, they were paid before to kill tony but he was only
shot in the ear, this was in one of the earlier seasons,

also in the earlier seasons, the trucker who was sitting at the bar
stool, who the camera kept focusing in on, is Nikki leotardo, Phil
Leotardos nephew, he was in one of the early season episodes where
Phil and Tony have a sit down....

heres where the genius comes in....

When tonys walking in the diner,you see the camera focus on him, then
it switches to his perspective, and you see him looking at the booth
hes gonna sit at...

then the camera switches back to tonys face, then it once again
switches to his perspective, and it shows him looking at the door and
looking at the people come in..... Everytime the door opens the Chimes
sound....... Carmela walks in, Chimes, AJ walks in Chimes, this when
Meadows parallel parking, still trying to get inside the
restaurant....

at this point the camera switches back to the trucker who goes in the
bathroom......

Then it goes to a scene where meadow finally parks and starts running
in the diner....

the doors about to open, Tony looks up....

and No Chimes......................

No Music............

Everything just goes black...............

In one of the early episodes of the sopranos, tonys talking with bobby
about what it must feel like to die..

Bobby says "at the end, you probably dont hear anything, everything
just goes black"


part of that was revisited in the second to last episode during the
last seconds of it, when tonys about to go to sleep and he flashes
back to the memory of him and bobby on the boat... "You probably dont
hear anything everything just goes black"


so in the end, the Journey song was playing, the chimes on the door
sounded but when meadow came in, the guy in the trucker hat came out
and killed tony...

Its the reason that you don't hear, or see anything when he died....
it was from his perspective.... and everything went black, then the
credits rolled.

[sandman]

i've heard that theory, but i'm not buying it.

1. the guy in the members only jacket is played by Paolo Colandrea (he owns a pizza shop right outside of Philly). and he was NEVER in a previous episode of the sopranos. therefore, it is NOT nikki leotardo.

2. one of the black guys that tried killing tony in season 2 was killed. and both of the black guys in diner had never appeared on the sopranos before. one is a rapper from NY.

3. i believe you could hear a chime when tony looked up. (regardless, the "point" was meaningless anyway.)