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Title: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: Where is Hassan Nasrallah ? on February 07, 2007, 08:02:16 AM Looking for a calm, polite discussion. please do not focus on "France".
Two things happened recently in world's diplomacy. 1 - IRAN Chirac, french President, has made a "touchy" comment on Iran situation. Chirac muses on Iran, and then retreats PARIS: President Jacques Chirac said in an interview that an Iran that possessed one or two nuclear weapons would not pose much of a danger, adding that if Iran were ever to launch a nuclear weapon against a country like Israel, it would lead to the immediate destruction of Tehran. http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/01/31/news/france.php After the quick shock, his retreats, the bashing of all sides (left and right wing). People are starting to understand what he meant, and that, despite the character - he is far from being a good president - Jacques Chirac has the crazy ability to be right on spot. Usually on international issues. 2 - IRAQ 2008 French diplomacy comes ahead and advise the USA to set a 2008 horizon date for american and allies troops to return. Stating that, as they said in 2003, the military management was useless. And time proved it (as people always say " time will tell"). 3000 americans dead 12000 iraqis civilians ?dead Your thoughts? Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: Axlfreek on February 07, 2007, 11:08:10 AM This thread is going to anti-american thread :yes:
Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: The Dog on February 07, 2007, 11:24:00 AM dude, ALL of wat-evers threads are anti-american/anti semetic.
he is a joke. Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: NicoRourke on February 07, 2007, 11:41:08 AM I bet this guy lives locked in his basement, reading newspapers and seing conspiracy theories everywhere.
It's boring in the end. Wich is a shame cause some subjects he brings up are interresting. Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: GeorgeSteele on February 07, 2007, 11:58:31 AM Looking for a calm, polite discussion. Better luck next time. Note that Chirac agrees that Iran should not be armed with any nuclear weapons (whether 1 bomb or 1,000) because of the resulting domino effect of every Arab country (particularly the Sunni Arabs) having one thereafter. Nobody benefits from a Middle East proliferated with nuclear weapons. Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: Where is Hassan Nasrallah ? on February 07, 2007, 01:00:00 PM dude, ALL of wat-evers threads are anti-american/anti semetic. he is a joke. care to tell me how this is anti semitic, mr.nesquick? NicoRourke > i dont see why you'd say that? What have i dont wrong? I dont share your views? tell me. Where is the conspiracy? GeorgeSteel, this is right. Knowing that a good start would be the actual reversal process: removing nuclear weapons from the region. Problem: Isreal is equiped (oh ! what did i say ! this must be anti semitic !). Again, some actors are reading the issue locally, throught a very small hole. Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: Dr. Blutarsky on February 07, 2007, 01:06:47 PM We all lose if Iran gets the nukes.
With great power comes great responsibility. Iran does not show any responsibility when it threatens to wipe Israel off the map or say that the holocaust never happened. The North Korea situation is much different ( and not as dangerous) since they have China on their ass should they use one. N. Korea can not survive without China. Iran has no such " big brother" to worry about offending. Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: GeorgeSteele on February 07, 2007, 02:43:14 PM Knowing that a good start would be the actual reversal process: removing nuclear weapons from the region. Problem: Isreal is equiped (oh ! what did i say ! this must be anti semitic !). Simple answer - Israel is a US ally; so they get to keep the bomb. I don't make the rules, my friend. Iran was once a US ally and, when it was, the US helped it create the nuclear program that it's now so staunchly opposed to. In fact, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz, while with the Ford Administration in the 70s, were all heavily involved in promoting an Iranian nuclear program (and not just for energy). Mitterand's hands were not clean either. Of course, that all changed after the 1979 Revolution. Amazing how our former alliances in that region always come back to haunt us. Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: BBF Rocks on February 07, 2007, 03:16:25 PM stop dissin my country all the time omg
Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: Where is Hassan Nasrallah ? on February 07, 2007, 03:36:45 PM stop dissin my country all the time omg i dont diss the usa, i just diss some of your governement actions. does it affect you? Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: BBF Rocks on February 07, 2007, 03:37:56 PM no but how would you like it if i made tons of threads about your country sucked
Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: Sin Cut on February 07, 2007, 03:40:11 PM ^ I like this one all ready : ok:
Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: BBF Rocks on February 07, 2007, 03:44:03 PM huh what do you mean on the other hand
i never said your country sucked Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: Where is Hassan Nasrallah ? on February 07, 2007, 03:45:06 PM huh what do you mean on the other hand i never said your country sucked im glad. i didnt say your sucked either. we just wasted 4 posts. ;) Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: BBF Rocks on February 07, 2007, 03:45:46 PM i dont mind
so what did you mean "on the other hand" then? Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: BBF Rocks on February 07, 2007, 03:54:21 PM okkkk no reply then i guess i won ;D
Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: The Dog on February 07, 2007, 05:13:11 PM huh what do you mean on the other hand i never said your country sucked im glad. i didnt say your sucked either. we just wasted 4 posts. ;) You've wasted A LOT more then just 4 :rofl: Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: sjgotnitro on February 07, 2007, 05:17:42 PM what is with all these repetative threads that always lead to the same thing (http://www.coolsmilies.net/signs/protest.gif)
Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: Where is Hassan Nasrallah ? on February 07, 2007, 05:25:09 PM huh what do you mean on the other hand i never said your country sucked im glad. i didnt say your sucked either. we just wasted 4 posts. ;) You've wasted A LOT more then just 4 :rofl: back from Player, amazing movie ! oh and isnt it : " You've wasted A LOT more than just 4 " ? Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on February 07, 2007, 06:28:03 PM Dudes, you take this guy way too seriously. :hihi:
In his Hiroshima thread, he kept trying to bring up Israel and Iran, and then when the thread became anti-American and he couldn't spew his anti-semitic rhetoric, he started a new thread. Don't give him the satisfaction. I'll go play in the street now. Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: The Dog on February 07, 2007, 08:07:45 PM Dudes, you take this guy way too seriously. :hihi: In his Hiroshima thread, he kept trying to bring up Israel and Iran, and then when the thread became anti-American and he couldn't spew his anti-semitic rhetoric, he started a new thread. Don't give him the satisfaction. I'll go play in the street now. Excellent post, so very true. Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: The Dog on February 08, 2007, 03:37:47 PM ^^^ Are you done marking all of your assumptions?
I love it when someone doesn't agree with you all of a sudden THEY are narrow minded and one-sided. Funny how that happens. Honestly, anyone who says in regards to 9-11 "...maybe thats why you got two planes to the head" and something to the effect of "we (americans) deserved it" can't be taken seriously. Like I've said before, you've tried to play on emotions and shock people so many times, that most of us are probably numb to your nonsense. And you wonder why nobody engages you in a thoughtful discussion? ::) Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: The Dog on February 08, 2007, 04:25:43 PM well considering your shocking extreme views i understand i have many times calrified that my "shocking" comments were meant to show you how some extre hardcore americans comments can be oh please, give me a break - you meant every word of it - not to prove a point, but just b/c thats what you really think. Go back and read your posts, you're not "making a point" about anything. and there are "hard core" comments in EVERY society, not just americans. you don't need to say shocking things to tell me that some people in my country are idiots - i'm well aware of the morons that live in this country (one of them is president). saying "the people in the towers deserved what they got" isn't proving anything other then you're an asshole. sorry, but its true. Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: Where is Hassan Nasrallah ? on February 08, 2007, 05:12:37 PM i never said the *people* in the towers deserved what they got !
my "shocking" comments were usually "shocking "versions of " america triggered it". and you know it is true. action. reaction. s and again, you have made assumptions on me, like the anti semitic ones. that kinda shows how quick you are to make judgements too. PEACE Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: Axlfreek on February 08, 2007, 08:08:34 PM Dudes, you take this guy way too seriously.? :hihi: In his Hiroshima thread, he kept trying to bring up Israel and Iran, and then when the thread became anti-American and he couldn't spew his anti-semitic rhetoric, he started a new thread. Don't give him the satisfaction. I'll go play in the street now. Excellent post, so very true. Just tell how i am anti semitic ? I question isreal policies? I question the fact that they build a wall between east jerusalem? and cisjordania in the name of security when they blatently separate 2 palestinian territories? When they carry on very facist and discriminatory policies. i could go on and on. (try to read about the new Tramway project in jerusalem , a French company !!) The fact is that, i do understand isreal right to security and what they're going thru. The difference between you and i is that i understand both party. You don't. You are deeply emotionnaly, blindly blocked in your reasoning. Because you would never question anything. And when someone does, i'm sorry, i guess i went to far, you guys are not ready to hear these kinda stuff. I sometimes forget i am talking to hardcore right wing americans, i forget about that. But no, instead of talking facts you are retrieving in the simple argument " the other person is anti semitic " That is why you fail here, because as long as you see the other one as " crazy, racist, terrorist" you will be blocked in your reasoning. So no i am not anti semitic; but hey, PEACE ;) But yeah, the two threads led to the same talks, i'm sorry But i could see is that some of you guys are so far in extreme views that there is no way we can talk normally I guess you'll wake up someday. thats exactly what an anti-semitic would say :hihi: Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: The Dog on February 08, 2007, 08:57:51 PM i never said the *people* in the towers deserved what they got ! my "shocking" comments were usually "shocking "versions of " america triggered it". and you know it is true. action. reaction. s and again, you have made assumptions on me, like the anti semitic ones. that kinda shows how quick you are to make judgements too. PEACE Funny...I am not the only one calling you anti-semetic. Yet you're the only one calling me a "hardcore right wing American". And yet I'm the one blocked in my reasoning? I think you're the one who refuses to see things the way everyone else does. But I'll play along, enlighten us silly Americans how someone flying a plane into a civilian building isn't a terrorist. Let me guess, to you they are freedom fighters? Or they are opressed by the evil US and our policies in the middle east and in Israel so its OUR fault and thats why "we deserved it" and "we got two planes in the head"...oh, WHOOPS, I forgot, this had NOTHING to do with your feelings on Israel and the Jews right? You are really a funny guy. Keep posting, who needs TV with people like you around! : ok: Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: freedom78 on February 08, 2007, 11:12:53 PM I've never been too concerned about "the bomb."
The real threat from nuclear weapons isn't states using them (it's only happened once, and that's when only ONE state had them). I'm more concerned about poorly monitored dismantlings, mostly in the former USSR, but eventually in other parts of the world, too. The prospect of Iran giving the bomb to terrorists to use against us (by "us" I mean the US, Europe, etc.) is laughable. It would get traced back to them, and that would be the end of Iran, as we know it. Black market, former Soviet bombs are a FAR more dangerous prospect than nukes controlled by Iran. Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on February 08, 2007, 11:13:07 PM Last person to Wal-Mart is a rotten egg! ;D
Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: The Dog on February 08, 2007, 11:20:46 PM I've never been too concerned about "the bomb."? The real threat from nuclear weapons isn't states using them (it's only happened once, and that's when only ONE state had them). I'm more concerned about poorly monitored dismantlings, mostly in the former USSR, but eventually in other parts of the world, too.? The prospect of Iran giving the bomb to terrorists to use against us (by "us" I mean the US, Europe, etc.) is laughable.? It would get traced back to them, and that would be the end of Iran, as we know it.? Black market, former Soviet bombs are a FAR more dangerous prospect than nukes controlled by Iran.? While we might be able to trace it back and then completely flatten Iran if they did supply a nuke to a terror group it would be AFTER it detonated in a major city killing hundreds of thousands of people - I don't think anyone wants that to happen regardless if we know who did it. :-\ Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: Axl4Prez2004 on February 08, 2007, 11:38:56 PM Freedom78's right. From what I remember about the '08 election, Kerry made a big point about President Bush's failure to get the necessary funding to safely secure and/or destroy the nuclear weapons housed in the former Soviet republics. I think it's a legitimate concern because those are the biggest threats to civilization as we know it.
Back to the original post by our truly one of a kind poster, Watever, Chirac may have been a bit too flip about it, but yeah, that would be the end of Iran. About 20 minutes (maybe sooner) after the war-head was detonated in Israel...Iran and Syria would be smoldering piles of ash. Just put yourself in the shoes of any major nation that has been struck by a "dirty bomb" or any nuclear device. Guess what happens next? The enemies and friends of the enemies will suffer 100 times the horror. PS: Watever thinks HannaHat is a right-winger??? :rofl: Easy Watever, Hanna's my vice presidential running mate in '08. Don't go mud-slinging already! :hihi: Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: The Chad Cometh on February 09, 2007, 12:03:48 AM i have many times calrified that my "shocking" comments were meant to show you how some extre hardcore americans comments can be And you've also spouted how 2 wrongs don't make a right, but whatever. Nothin to do with the topic, but I was wondering on your thoughts, Wat, on France's nuclear tests in the South Pacific not so long ago. Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: The Dog on February 09, 2007, 12:29:37 AM PS: Watever thinks HannaHat is a right-winger???? ?:rofl:? Easy Watever, Hanna's my vice presidential running mate in '08.? Don't go mud-slinging already!? :hihi:? He is trying to Swift Boat me!!! :rofl: Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: freedom78 on February 09, 2007, 12:54:31 AM I've never been too concerned about "the bomb." The real threat from nuclear weapons isn't states using them (it's only happened once, and that's when only ONE state had them). I'm more concerned about poorly monitored dismantlings, mostly in the former USSR, but eventually in other parts of the world, too. The prospect of Iran giving the bomb to terrorists to use against us (by "us" I mean the US, Europe, etc.) is laughable. It would get traced back to them, and that would be the end of Iran, as we know it. Black market, former Soviet bombs are a FAR more dangerous prospect than nukes controlled by Iran. While we might be able to trace it back and then completely flatten Iran if they did supply a nuke to a terror group it would be AFTER it detonated in a major city killing hundreds of thousands of people - I don't think anyone wants that to happen regardless if we know who did it. :-\ I agree that knowing after the fact is a cold reassurance, but my point is that Iran knows it would get traced back too...so they wouldn't do it. Well, at least that's my opinion. I suppose if I'm wrong then I'm REALLY fuckin' wrong. Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: The Dog on February 09, 2007, 09:50:21 AM Have you been reading this thread? I'm not the only one saying it.
Anyways, thanks for the comedy. :peace: Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: Where is Hassan Nasrallah ? on February 09, 2007, 09:54:42 AM Have you been reading this thread? I'm not the only one saying it. Anyways, thanks for the comedy. :peace: Glad you take it this way. Have fun ;) Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: Bandita on February 09, 2007, 09:59:16 AM Wat-ever makes threads so that he has a place to spew his nonsense. Nothing more. He is LOOKING for people to argue with him so he can spew more. Don't fall into it.
Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: Where is Hassan Nasrallah ? on February 09, 2007, 10:01:09 AM Wat-ever makes threads so that he has a place to spew his nonsense. Nothing more. He is LOOKING for people to argue with him so he can spew more. Don't fall into it. Man you guys are impossible, it's like talking to kids .... Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: Bandita on February 09, 2007, 10:02:45 AM Wat-ever makes threads so that he has a place to spew his nonsense.? Nothing more.? He is LOOKING for people to argue with him so he can spew more.? Don't fall into it. Man you guys are impossible, it's like talking to kids .... How do you think WE feel reading your nonsense posts nonstop? Oh wait, silly me, I just invited you to respond with some more Anti-American rants. ::) Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: -Jack- on February 09, 2007, 01:07:23 PM WAT-EVER, i'm totally buggin... are you joking?
You've had yet to aurgue like a true man of reason. I don't really see how you can believe you are the "smart" one in this conversation. Having an opinion is one thing, acting like a snobby teenager is another. Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: The Dog on February 09, 2007, 02:10:46 PM Wat-ever, I hope now you FINALLY see that its not just me who thinks all these things about you. There is a reason we all have the same conclusions about you. Maybe you should stop trying to justify your behavior/statements by saying "it can't be me, THEY are the irrational ones" and think that maybe you are the one who isn't thinking/speaking rationally.
but that would mean you would have to listen to what other people are saying - and you've demonstrated you are totally incapable of doing so. kinda sad actually :-\ Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: TAP on February 09, 2007, 02:15:57 PM Wat-ever, I hope now you FINALLY see that its not just me who thinks all these things about you. He's a socialist working for a multinational corporation which makes completely nonessential products, and we're the outlet for the guilt he can't deal with. Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: Where is Hassan Nasrallah ? on February 09, 2007, 02:19:06 PM thanks for the personal attacks, real good ! you guys did a great job ! that is internet at its finest !
Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: TAP on February 09, 2007, 02:54:35 PM thanks for the personal attacks, real good ! you guys did a great job ! that is internet at its finest ! it's like talking to kids. Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: Where is Hassan Nasrallah ? on February 09, 2007, 02:56:49 PM thanks for the personal attacks, real good ! you guys did a great job ! that is internet at its finest ! it's like talking to kids. what ever, i'm out. Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: The Dog on February 09, 2007, 04:21:49 PM thanks for the personal attacks, real good ! you guys did a great job ! that is internet at its finest ! it's like talking to kids. Hey, don't insult the kids like that, I've had more rational/logical conversations with my 4 year old niece then I've had with Mr. I hate America. Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: Where is Hassan Nasrallah ? on February 10, 2007, 05:58:12 AM thanks for the personal attacks, real good ! you guys did a great job ! that is internet at its finest ! it's like talking to kids. Hey, don't insult the kids like that, I've had more rational/logical conversations with my 4 year old niece then I've had with Mr. I hate America. first of all, it's than not then. and, are you done with the personal attacks? Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: Skeba on February 10, 2007, 07:03:36 AM If you wanna talk about the issue, do, but the last 20 or something posts have been just fucking stupid... Not by everyone, but by some. You know who you are, and if you don't, I propably wouldn't get through even if I tried.
The point is: get back on topic. Title: Re: Iran and The bomb, Iraq and the War, Mr Chirac Post by: Where is Hassan Nasrallah ? on February 10, 2007, 07:38:54 AM If you wanna talk about the issue, do, but the last 20 or something posts have been just fucking stupid... Not by everyone, but by some. You know who you are, and if you don't, I propably wouldn't get through even if I tried. The point is: get back on topic. thanks. |