Here Today... Gone To Hell!

You'd think this'd be the last kinda thread I'd start, but here goes....

To me, and my friends in Ballymena, N.Ireland....Green Day were as essential to our youth as GnR, Metallica and Nirvana.

I dunno if this was the same for anyone else around my age, but I guess so, because Green Day were fucking huge in the mid nineties.

I'm not gonna rant on about how Dookie was the best pop-punk album ever made, because it wasn't. I'm probably going to seem totally Mr.Alternative, but I reckon their 1,039 and, more so, Kerplunk! albums are two of the greatest pop-punk albums ever made (apart from the awful Christie Road)!

I dunno what the attraction with Green Day was, how I heard them. They did play a town called Toome (near me) in 1991/1992, so it could have been word of mouth.

Anyway, I just started listening again to their first two full lengths a couple of months ago, and it really does bring back some great memories for me. I was very surprised the albums still worked.

So if we have any other Dookie era Green Day fans out there, lets converse, get naked, talk about ex-loves and masturbate.

I have many things to say on the subject, satisfy me.

"I wonder if you're sitting all alone, or is your boyfriend there?"

I remember listening to Basket Case and thinking cool.....back in the day. ???

Also someone who i respect very much and did love i suppose up until last week used to listen too "Time Of Your Life" an awful lot.

Saying that she made me buy The Offspring - Smash.

Due to the verse....

You Stupid dumb shit goddamn mutherfucker.

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For pop punk though i love The Undertones!




E-Hogg

That guys voice is the most annoying thing ever! It will be waiting for me in hell!!!!!!!!

That's on Nimrod. Only decent songs on Nimrod are Take Back, Platypus and The Grouch.

Back to early Green Day.....

Sorry didnt realise the thread said Early Greenday.

I dont know any early Greenday and to be honest, im not bothered about the loss.

I know i like Basket Case and thats it...




E-Hogg

have u guys heard of the possible secret green day album being released? i dont have alot of details, i skimmed over an article on vh1news.com

something billy joe supposedly signed a new band *i cant remember their name* but they mysteriously sound like green day, ill dig up the article when i have some time and post a link to it.

never was a big fan of green day although the numerous cover bands i was in during my highschool days played to many of their songs to name *basketcase,when i come around, she, etc

Green Day's music stinks like Dookie.

Where the hell is my Dookie?
I can?t find it, maybe i?ve lent it to someone...

Anyway, Green Day brings lots of memories to me too! l My best friend was a huge fan of GD (or Billie Joes eyes  ;D) in the mid 90?s. Hmm..we spent crazy summer (by listening Green Day) before we started high school..

I have 5 Green Day cd?s;
39 Smooth (i like it too very much)
Insomniac
Nimrod.
Warning
And Dookie, but i can?t find it..

Dookie was my first GD cd and i have to admit that i bought it just because Basket Case and When I Come Around...

This thread really brings lots of memories and made me happy, thanks!  :)

Hey, long time no speak.

You should get Kerplunk!, it's their best in my opinion. You'd love it.


Pinhead Gunpowder. Sound like a crap version of Green Day.

I know! You?ve been too drunk, fuck sake..  ;D

Kerplunk was their 2nd album, right? I?ll buy it as soon as i get some extra money. First i?ll have to get my stupid car fixed...

Motherfuckin' Green Day... holy shit, I can remember sneaking my sister's Dookie tape and listening to it @ night (I'd play Longview over n over cuz I wasn't allowed to listen to songs with swearing).  Everyone I knew loved Green Day... I think it hit me the most when I was at school once and asked an older kid what he was listening to... he looked at me really weird for a bit and just said "What the fuck do you think I'm listening to? Green Day."

I was a huge fan when they were popular, I got their other albums up to Insomniac... I had Nimrod burned, but I've lost that somewhere... no biggie.

I think I listened to 1,039 Smooth more than Kerplunk!... but Kerplunk was the CD that had the Operation Ivy cover on it right?? That was great.  I can remember reading that story in the CD sleeve of Kerplunk! over and over and over... I thought it was fuckin hilarious.  Chris or anyone remember this?? Milk in beer bottles?? Bones for the dog??

I kind of drifted off them for awhile in later years... I knew Time of your Life and stuff like that, but didn't like them as much as I did before... then I went to the Warped Tour where they played with Nofx and everything... I wasn't all that excited, but they came out playing Welcome to Paradise, and I fuckin went nuts, all the stuff I remembered about Green Day came flooding back.  I knew all the words to these songs that I'd forgotten about.

Since then I went to see them one more time, they put on one fuckin HELL of a SHOW.  The concert was out of town so being the smartasses that me and my friends are, we rented a fuckin limo and got completely hammered in the back of it on the way over... GREAT CONCERT.  They pull people up on stage to play guitar and stuff, and really get involved and everything.

Anyways, I'm a fan, but it comes and goes, I actually haven't listened to them in a LONG time (maybe a year), but I'm about to pop a CD in right now. Thanks.   : ok:

"I asked their drummer if I could get an autograph, he said to ask his manager. And when I asked to see his manager, he started unzipping his pants!" ;D

Yeah, it's a funny as hell story. ;)


I've seen them live once, about two years ago....apart from the Operation Ivy cover and Welcome To Paradise, they didn't play anything off their first two records, which was a shame!

I still can't believe it! Me, Laurie L., the plainest, most boring girl at Pinole Valley High School, the girl that all the boys bark at when I walk by, the girl whose mother wouldn't even let her go to a New Kids On The Block concert because "there's often a bad element at those rock concerts, dear," I got to go on a four day tour with my total heartthrobs, Green Day!!!!
        Little did I know that when I entered that "Win a Dream Date With Green Day" contest in Tiger Beat magazine (my lame-o brother calls it Puberty Beat, but what does he know, he's probably a homo anyway) that I, out of millions of Green Day fans in America, would get picked!
        The day the letter arrived was the happiest day of my life. But before I could get too excited, I realized I had a biiiig problem..my parents!! I knew they'd never let me go off with a rock band for even one night, let alone four days!
        So for once I decided not to put up with their crap. I wasn't sure what to do, so at school the next day I went around to all the weirdoes and asked them what would they do? See, I figure people who have blue mohawks and only come to school when they feel like it and make those gross magazines with naked pictures in them must have figured a way to handle their parents.
        So I went to this Eggplant (boy, I feel sorry for him, his parents must have really hated him to name him something like that) and he looked at me like, "You really want to go on tour with Green Day?"
        And I said, "Oh yeah, I'd die to go on tour with Green Day."
        He looked at me kind of funny and said, "Yeah, but would you kill?" I thought he was joking, but I wasn't sure. Then I looked at his beady little eyes piercing deep into my soul and I knew he wasn't. I thought, hmm, what the hell, you only go around once, might as well go for it, blah, blah, blah...
        So I said, all kind of hoarse and everything, "Yeah, I guess I would." And he said, "Then the one you should talk to is Claude."
        Omigod!!! Even I had heard of Claude. He's so evil that he's practically-satanic!!! He dropped out of school in eighth grade and all he ever does is take drugs and read weird books and molest little girls. I was always afraid to even look at him.
        But I'd gone too far to stop now. After school instead of going home I went to Telegraph Avenue in Berkeley where all the scummy people hang out, and sure enough, there was Claude. He looked all perverted and he was smoking cigarettes and all these girls were standing around him like they wanted him to do bad stuff to them. But they got out of the way when they saw me coming, and Claude wasn't mean or dirty or anything. He was actually kind of nice.
        He said, "My friend Eggplant tells me you have a problem."
        I said, "Two problems, actually. Two really big ones."
        "Parents, huh? This ought to take care of them."
        He handed me a brown bottle full of pills.
        "How many of them should I take?" I asked him.
        He laughed, kind of heh-heh like. "No, you don't take them, they do. Your parents."
        "Oh no," I said, "my parents wouldn't take drugs. They're Christian Scientists."
        "You look like a smart little girl. I'll bet you can figure something out." And you know what? I did.
        That night I offered to help my mother with dinner. Then, when she wasn't looking, I emptied all of the capsules into the mashed potatoes. Then I said I didn't feel like eating, and went upstairs and listened to my Green Day records five or six times.
After a while I stuck my head out the door.
        "Yuck!" I heard my father saying. "These are the worst mashed potatoes I ever tasted in my life!" "Then cook your own goddam dinner, you lazy scumbag, I'm not your slave." I was surprised, my mother didn't usually swear.
        My dad said, "I'm not going to eat these, they taste like shit."
But my mother yelled at him, "You eat those potatoes or I'll dump them over your head and shove the bowl up your ass."
        "Shhh" he said, "Laurie will hear you."
        "She's asleep the stupid bitch. I swear, I don't know how my daughter could be such an idiot. I bet the babies got switched at the hospital."
        "Now, now, she's just a bit slow."
        "Yeah, I wonder who she got it from. Are you going to eat those potatoes?"
        My dad always does what mom tells him. I even heard him scraping the bowl. After a while I heard a clunk and a crash and then the whole dining room table fell over. I went downstairs and they were both flopped out on the floor, like totally dead. It was pretty weird.
I realized that I had better do something before my brother came home, because I didn't have enough pills to get rid of him, too. Luckily we have a brand new garbage disposal, so I took a butcher knife and cut mom and dad into pieces and put them down the garbage. It took a long time, and it was kind of messy, but I kept singing my favorite Green Day songs, and it made the work easier.
        The only trouble was, the bones wouldn't go down the garbage disposal, and now I was getting nervous, because my brother would be home any minute now. Then I got an idea. I gathered up all the bones and carried them out in the back yard and threw them over the fence to our neighbor's pit bull. He was so happy, he didn't even bark at me.
        Then my brother came home. "Where's mom and dad?" he asked.
        "Uh, they went away. To, uh, Utah!"
        "Utah! Why the hell would they go there?"
        "Uh, I think they decided to become Mormons or something."
        He looked at me kind of weird and went upstairs to look at his porno pictures. I went in my room and started packing my bags.
        The next morning, I was at the airport. My own private jet waiting for me there, and you know what, it was all painted green, and on the side of it said "Welcome Aboard Laurie L., Green Day Tour '90."
        So I went on the plane, and I was the only passenger! And all of the stewardesses just waited on me! And we listened to Green Day records all the way to Arizona, where the tour was going to start.
        When I got there, there was a limo, a green limo, of course, waiting for me, and this guy in a top hat opened the door for me, and when I got in the back seat, there they were! All three of them, Billie Joe, Mike, and Tre!!! I was so excited I didn't even know where to sit, I mean, I didn't know which one I wanted to sit next to first.
        So I sat between Billie Joe and Tre and they both started talking to me, and I didn't know which one I liked best cause they were both so nice, but then I decided I liked Billie Joe better because Tre kept singing these rap songs that had a lot of bad words in them. In fact I was surprised that that they let him be in the band since I didn't think that Green Day ever said swear words. Well, they did on that one song, "Knowledge," but that's only because it was written by that other band, Operation Ivy, who I heard were a bunch of punk rockers.
        Then we went to a show at this place called "Hippycore" and there were all these people with long hair standing around eating vegetables and stuff. It was kind of icky. But the worst   thing was when I found out that some other bands were going to play, too.
        I got really mad and said, "Why can't Green Day just play for three hours. Why do you have to have these other stupid bands?"
        Everybody told me to be quiet, that the other bands were good, too. But they weren't. I mean they weren't Green Day. They didn't have any songs I could sing along to. So I kept yelling, "BOOOOO! You're terrible! We want Green Day!!" until some punker girl told me to shut up or she would rearrange my face with her bottle opener.
        I wondered if she was just trying to be friendly, then I decided she wasn't, so I went outside to wait for my heroes. But when they finally played, it was worth everything. Billie sang every one of my favorite songs, and then, right in the middle of "Disappearing Boy," he stopped and said, "I'd like to dedicate this song to our special friend, Laurie L., who came down from Pinole to be with us today. She's so beautiful and nice, gosh, I know if I was my girlfriend, I'd never disappear again."
        That's when I fainted. When I woke up, the show was over and they were packing up the equipment.
        I said, "Billie Joe, did you really mean what you said on stage."
        And he looked at me all sincere, and said, "You know it, babe, but our love can never be, because I already belong to another. Besides, you're too young and innocent for the life of a rock and roll wife. Take my advice, go back to Pinole and finish high school, and some day you'll make some lucky man very, very happy." "But Billie, I'd do anything to be with you. I already did! I killed my parents just so I could be with you here tonight!!!"
        But he just laughed and said, "Really? Killed your parents, huh? That's pretty cool."
        Then we all got in the Green Day tour bus to drive to Los Angeles. I was pretty excited because I never was in Hollywood before. I had a map of all the movie stars' houses and everything.
        But we didn't see any movie stars, just a bunch of boys with big hairdos and women that Tre said were prostitutes. I never know whether to believe him or not, he's kinda mean, you know. I'm starting to think that he's my least favorite member of Green Day, because he kept singing that horrible Ice Cube song that goes "Bitch-killa, bitch-killa." Besides, when I asked him for his autograph, he said I had to talk to his agent, and when I asked who his agent was, he started to unzip his pants.
     

   So I screamed, and Billie and Mike told Tre to behave and he did after that, even though I said I thought that they should tie him up or something until the next show, but Mike said a lot of drummers are like that, their brains just get rattled around too much from all that pounding.
Then you know what? I saw Billie and Mike drinking out of beer bottles!! I was shocked, because they're not even 21, in fact they're only 18, so I asked them what was the big idea, but Billie took me aside and whispered, "Listen, you've got to keep this a secret, but there isn't really beer in these bottles."
        "There isn't," I asked.
        "No, it's really milk. Everybody in Green Day likes milk best of all, but the thing is, we drink it out of beer bottles because if we don't people will make fun of us and say we're sissies."
        Then I understood, and felt sorry for the boys. Peer pressure is such a terrible thing.
        At the show in Hollywood I even got to stay backstage and everything, but just when the boys were getting ready to play there was a knock on the dressing room.
        "It must be our deli tray," everyone said, but it wasn't, it was the police! Omigod!! I jumped in front of the officers and said, "Wait, don't arrest Green Day, it's not beer in those bottles, it's really milk!"
        He looked at me and said, "Is it now? And your name wouldn't happen to be Laurie, would it, little lady?"
        And I said, "That's my name, don't wear it out."
        "Then we'll have to ask you to come with us."
        "What do you mean," I screamed. "Are you crazy? Green Day is going to start playing any minute now!"
        But he said, "Sorry, it can't be helped," and they took me in the back of the police car and handcuffed me and everything, and then I thought, oh God, I wonder if this has anything to do with my parents?"
        Sure enough it did. That stupid pit bull dragged one of my dad's collarbones into the house and his owner found it and called the police. So I didn't get to see the rest of the tour, and I had to go to court and everything and now I'm in jail, and I might not get out until the year 2019.
        Oh well. Everyone's pretty nice here and they let me listen to my Green Day tapes. But they all ask me, was it worth it? Killing your parents just so you could go on tour with Green Day?
        And I just smile a deep, knowing smile, because I've seen and done things that they'll never experience, not if they live to be 100, and I say, "Of course it was. After all, everyone gets two parents, but there's only one Green Day."

LOL  ;D

Thanks for posting that.... I haven't read that story in years.

I haven't heard all those old songs in a long time, I forget how half of em go.... My favs from Kerplunk were the first three songs, Dominated Love Slave (this song is CLASSIC), Who Wrote Holden Caulfield?, and the Who cover...

I need to find my old cassettes of that and Slappy Hours.  

Off 1,039 I'ds have to say the best song is the second song after the Op Ivy cover....



"Late last night I had a dream and she was in it again
She and I were in the sky, flying hand in hand
I woke up in a cold sweat wishing she was by my side
Praying that she'll try the chance left on my piece of pride"


Made for teenagers. Class.

Kerplunk! - One For The Razorbacks, 2000 Light Years Away. Sweet Children, One Of My Lies.

I have to say the single is rocking. Reminds me of 1994.

I've only got one other track from the new album, it sounds ok. They seem to be going back to the Kerplunk/Dookie style with this album.

I think it's gonna be a winner. Pity I'm not 12 anymore, eh?

Anyone else heard this? Or planning to buy it?

I have only hear the single but It's pretty damn good, does seem that they are going back to their roots a bit . I'll definitely be buying this on the.
:beer:

i bought it today- i got the version with 'Too Much Too Soon' on it as well but i want the other one aswell. IT'S DEFINATLEY the best song out at the moment, DEFINATLEY. can't wait for the album next week!!!? ;D

i was gonna start this thread bot ya beat me to it  :P

Yeah American Idiot such a cool track and it does remind me of Dookie to I will be getting the album soon

im not a huge green day fan but that song is on the Madden 2005 soundtrack and i love it now!  we use to cover green day songs in high school that i got pretty sick of but i did love their "minority" song on the last cd.

I WANNA BE THE MINORITY
I DON'T NEED YOUR AUTHORITY
DOWN WITH THE MORAL MAJORITY COS
I WANNA BE THE MINORITY

i just heard the album, its decent!
probably hear it couple more times before mindlessly commenting on it

Oh fuck off if you're not going to post anything worthwhile.

I must say, I wasn't very impressed with the single at all. But, I've never been a Greenday fan. They bored me when I was younger, and now they kind of irritate me.

Respect to them for what they've done for music though...

I am not really into Green Day.  I don't own any of their albums or know that much 411 when it comes to this band.  However, I must say... I was shocked when I found out that this song was written / performed by them.  I absolutely love it! :)  Nonetheless, I will no be buying this cd.  Uhhh, somewhat, yeah, somewhat broke at the moment!

Fuck you!! Don't tell me what to do fuckhead...

i've now heard the songs from the other american idiot single and they are cool too- but not as good as 'too much too soon'...

i definatley recommend the one with 'too much too soon' on n the other one for BIG green day fans

It's not me telling you what to do sweety.

How's this:


Oh, and here's another one:


Damn, and another one:


Oh, and this one too:


All rules that you agreed to when you signed up to the board.  : ok:

I had top say something, i bought dookie around the time I finished HS, i thought it was cool. notyhing eart shattering but a good listen.. Hearing AI now makes me think didn't they play this sound 100 times already, to me greenday always sounds the same

sorry, i'll be decent (unlike some people on this board) n admit i was wrong on this one

hmmm ok you're really sticking to the subject aren't you??? the subject was american idiot green day and i was singing a green day song.

erm... where's the smilies?? erm... oh yeah and the 'i agree'??


yeah i just wanted to prove what i was doing was not wrong therefore i needed the whole conversation
 and last but not least
  oh no sorry that was just me thinking aloud!

*tut silly brain

Read between the lines Eintstein, it means don't post pointless shit that dosn't add to the discussion, an example being what you posted.

Oh, and the last time I checked, I didn't have a vagina, sweety.

Edit: Oh, and, you're "young"? I'm only seventeen myself. (Although if you own a pub, I'm a year older. Different time zones, see)

Nah, Green Day has a wider sonic pallette than any other punk-pop band.? They've got all the loud fast electric punk, sure, but they've also got acoustic ballads (Time of Your Life, Macy's Day Parade), the occasional harmonica-dominated song (Hold On) and even experiments in world music, if you can call it that ("Misery" sounds like an Italian Mafia gathering).? But yeah, the main thing about them is their tuneful pop sense.? I think what we agree on is that, like a lot of punk bands, they still have a tendency to fall into punk-o-rama songs, which are short, fast, and not all that catchy snippets of buzzsaw electric guitar.? Things like Platypus (I Hate You) on Nimrod fall into that category, although really Green Day is less guilty than a lot of bands (e.g. The Hives) in this area.

Is it just me, or is there something vaguely Newfoundland-sounding about Green Day sometimes?? Like, on Minority, Hold On, and Deadbeat Holiday, for some reason there's something that always reminds me of Newfoundland.? Maybe it's Billy Joe's style of singing?? Or the accordion in the background on Minority?? I dunno.

sorry i just assumed you were a girl cos men aren't usually that bitchy but ANYWAY
we are both way way off topic now so lets forget it, agreed??- i've been a bitch- you've been equally annoying- it's gone- it's over with- let's forget it... n just act like nowt happened!
 : ok:

You forgot:

It's not cool to insult other members of this board!
Posts that only attack another poster without any contribution to the discussion aren't allowed. Anyone consistently attacking other board members will be banned.

BTW, used illusions, you got that bomb ass pussy.


Edit - On Topic:  I really like the new single.  I haven't heard anything else from the album, so I'll probably download a few tracks before deciding to buy it or not.  I actually haven't gotten around to buying a Green Day album since Insomniac.

Yeah I defintely like thier new single. I have seen greenday twice live they do put on a good show espically in you can get down on the floor to mosh out. It's always cool to see them come back even better. I read on vh1 today that there first show went awsome defintely check them out if you can.

later

You guys have ruined this thread.
most of it is bout ur quabbles rather than the topic

sorry, you see i was just gonna sing a bit of minority n then leave for others to reply but used illusions started an arguement, i am very sorry  :yes:

hmmm he did start it but u dint need to continue....anyways..
anyone else heard the album ?

they are streaming it on mtv.com, ive listened to it numerous times now, i like it alot im going to buy it.? My favorite songs are Jesus of Suburbia, Whatsername, and Holiday/Boulevard of Broken Dreams.

It only took a year, but I finally have Kerplunk!!
Though, i haven?t listen to it yet.? As some of you know, my dog delivered a litter of 5 pups few days ago, and I?ve been quite busy and I don?t wanna bother them with loud music just yet.

People, what?s your fave songs from the album?

Kerplunk! - One For The Razorbacks, 2000 Light Years Away. Sweet Children, One Of My Lies.

Yes, honey, I can read.

Anyone else?

Yeah...Green Day. I've seen them 4 times. First time in 91 with a crowd of 400.

"80" and "words I might have ate" are also great songs. I'm not too keen with welcome To Paradise ( never been)

However, I'm more into 1,039...slappy hours. I once was a fustrated teenager so I defintely relate. Going to Pasalacua(sp?), Only of You and "What do you want him" are amongst my favs.

ok excuse me for my ignorance, but i thought greenday was a band made up of 3 people.

i just saw them on lettermen, and there was a second guitarist, who also did the solo for american idiot.

whats going on?........or am i just an idiot who never noticed that there were 4 people in the band. ???

Ha, I thought that wa pretty funny.  I saw them live recently, and Billy Joe goes "We're the Green Day trio" and there's this second guitarist standing about 2 feet away from him...

I have never heard anything of green days before dookie but I am a fan. I am thinking of checking out the early shit now on account of how highly it is spoken of in this thread.

Just picked up the new Green Day album "American Idiot'. Have listened to twice now and so far I think it sounds killer - huge production and some of the catchiest stuff I've heard from them since 'Dookie'. I reckon Billie Joe Armstrong is an under-rated singer/songwriter

it is a masterpiece. There is NO filler at all and the message and story conveyed through the rock opera is great.

I have been meaning to pick it up. I heard boulevard of broken dreams, american idiot, and jesus of suburbia on the radio and loved all of them. JOS sounds like classic who. I am glad to hear the rest of the album may be as good.

I love this album , have stooped listen to to it since I bought it definitely one of the year's five best maybe even the best.

I'm listening to this album for the first time now...I'm up to Boulevard of Broken Dreams and I LOVE it so far!  These guys just keep getting better and better.  Finally, a "Tommy" for my generation.

Yeah I picked the album today and I haven't put it down lol I really like Boulevard of broken Dreams and Wake Me Up When September Ends and Whatsername I really like this its the best I have picked up this year.

ive only heard a few tracks off the album but so far im impressed...the video for american idiot is superb...thats the passion ive been looking for in a band...truly one of the great videos...i cant believe i like green day..anythings possible !

That's what I thought when I first heard the song American Idiot! I really dislike everything they've done so far,but theis rules!!!!

GREEN DAY RULE! me and my 2 best friends have just found out now that we are going to see them early next year... the album rocks! i love 'east 12th street' (second part to 'Homecoming) the best!!! oooh and 'rock n roll girlfriend' rules!! who'd have thought a drummer could sing... then again there is dave grohl... anyways... i'll not get off topic
blvd of broken dreams comes out on 22nd november so expect a video shortly....

that's all from me!!! BYEEEEEE


EDIT: Jeez... reading that makes me realise how childish i sound when i use too many exclamation marks and words like 'rule'

a "Tommy" for "My Generation"...good one :P

Just picked this up today.  This one really surprised me, a very good cd, and some really good songwritting.

I said the same thing in another Green Day thread.  I'm glad somebody finally picked up on the pun.  ;D

this is a great fucking album. I picked it up today and it is the best thing to come along in a while. I have always liked green day, never been a die hard, but anyone who hears this has to be impressed by what they have done with this record.

I'm defintely impressed? :o

I own all the Green Day albums & been a fan since 1990. While the last three albums didn't do it for me ( a couple of good sons here and there), this one has caught me off guard. I thought the first single was promising, but I wasn't expecting this. " Jesus of Suberbia" is pretentious, amazing. The album has an " Abbey Road" sort of vibe throughout.

It's definitely one of the best albums of the year.

I highly recommend this album. whether you are a fan or not, you should own this.

Cool! I watched their AOL Session thing a few times, and Boulevard of Broken dreams should crack the top 40. I swear the music quaility on this album sounded high. I've only heard 4 songs so far and those were live.

I hated Green Day so much before this. They had a couple decent songs I liked but this album just sounds different. I don't know what it is... but I'm getting this album.

Go Green Day!

I just can't get enough of this album!

"Give me Novacaine" it's mind blowing. " Are we the Waiting" it's going to be a huge single. I may be getting ahead of myself here, but it wouldn't surprise if " American Idiot" took the Best Rock Grammy home next year upseting "Contraband"

How many copies has this album sold in the States? it's reached #1 in UK, how high in the charts has it been in the US?

it went to number 1 it's first week out in the US with sells of 267,000, not sure how much it has sold total thought.

I have the album and i really like it.
Though it needs to be listening few times, because at first i thought it was a bit boring. My fave songs at the moment are American Idiot, She?s a Rebel and Give Me Novocaine.

im going to see greenday in Australia in a week its gonna be so cool. has any1 been to one of their concerts lately. if so what songs did they play? did they play many old songs or did they play mainly new ones like from the american idiot album? i dont really care what they play but i hope they play when i come around and longveiw

I'm not quite sure, but I think that they play the American Idiot album in its entirety. And then for encore, they play some of the older hits like "When I Come Around" and "Longview". Either way, I'm sure it'll be a great show. Have fun.

well in the UK they let people on stage and play there instruments, then they give them those instruments afterwards. thats cool.

I like Green Day, but I don't think "American Idiot" is quite as good as people make it out to be. I really liked Dookie/Insomniac.

insomniac is a class album. A proper punk album, the rest is very weak.

ive only got dookie, warning, nimrod and american idiot. I like em all dookie is my favourite. american idiot is weird its like pop/punk or something it took me a few listens to get in to it but i like it now. simple plan are opening for green day to i dont like em very much but some of their songs are good.

Actually, Green Day was my favorite band throughout high school. Before I was "disease51883", I was "basketcase51883". Heh. I have all of their albums up to American Idiot, but due to my ever changing tastes, I haven't got around to getting that one. The songs from it that I've heard on Fuse and various talk shows have been cool though.

Their new album is suprisingly awesome...IMHO.

i just saw green day and they were awesome and they did let people play instruments to, lucky bastards. they played most of american idiot and also longveiw, basketcase, she, minority. then they walked off and i was pissed off that they didnt play when i come around and boulevard of broken dreams. then they came out again and played those songs and the crowd just went crazy. they also played we are the champions and make me wanna shout beleive it or not. then they finished with good riddance. simple plan opened for them and people were throwing food at them the poor dudes. i'll shutup now

The 'secret' band was The Network as they wear masks so you 'don't know' it's them but of corse you can tell and Pinhead Gunpowder doesn't have Mike or Tre in it so i assume he was meaning The Network and they did release an album.

I love the early stuff. My friends and I were into 1,039 and Kerplunk before Dookie exploded. I love that early shit. I like all of there stuff. The new album is great.  I like those first two albums better than Dookie, i really related to everything they were saying in those songs. I was just about ready to graduate from High School when i started getting into that stuff, i still listen to those albums alot, they bring back alot of damn good memories. : ok:

Who's the second guitarist they have?  He's not really even acknowledged at interviews etc...  Is that ghythm guitar position just a musician for hire every so often?

hes an old freind of billie joe's, i think he was in the band in the very beggining but im not sure on that. hes not in the band hes just doing rythm guitar for the american idiot tour because the american idiot songs need 2 guitarists.

i love green day are u a fan? im going to see them next month. i saw em in january and now im seeing them again. theyre a good live act they have so much energy billie joe really gets the crowd going just how axl used to. :)

i had the same reaction u had when i saw that 2nd guitarist for the first time lol

actually that second guitarist does all the lead work.

he does the solos too.

quite strange really. maybe billie didnt want to have to worry about pulling off the solos live. ???

Which would be strange because if you've seen them live before, you know that Billie Joe can play a lot more than the power chords in their songs.

Ha! Green Day's guitar work is as bad as Busted's :hihi:

He's been with Green Day for years.
I forget his name off the top of my head... but he's definitely not a new addition by any means

His name is Jason White

Yeah I think he's been around since the Dookie days, I could be wrong though. ?

I don't really get the situation. ?Why not just make him part of the band since he plays basically every song. ?I don't know if it is an arrogant thing where the 3 want all the cake to themselves in interviews or what because that's the only time when he's not included. ?It sort of pisses me off to when at like the VMA's they will have the spotlight on the 3 and the guitar for hire will be off soloing in the shadows and they don't even show him. ?Obviously the royalties on the songs play a key issue. ?

Their songs are based on power chords.  I heard Bille Joe breeze through Eruption and it sounded a hell of a lot better than anything to come of out Robin Finck.   It wouldn't suit their music to include long complicated solos, but that doesn't mean he can't play them (and make them sound good).  Therefore it's suprising that he would need someone else to play the small leads when he's perfectly capable of doing it.

Sorry, did you have a point other than you like to bitch about everything?

Exactly. Well put.

Billy Joe is a hell of a guitar player but since they've been playing punk structure songs since they were 16 years old, what's the point in playing like Yngwie Malmsteen? Truth is, for some of the doubters, if you check their first album 1039 Smooth out the slappy hours you can hear solos is pretty much every song. Billy joe was 17 years old at the time, and the solos were pretty good then. From that point onwards, the band has played more power chords than anything.

Some of you need to listen to some of the stuff before actually make comments about it. Izzy, no pun intended, but it's kinda funny you are talking about Green Day's guitar work when you are a self-confesed Limp Bizkit fan. Where's the guitar work there?

billie joe still did the when i come around solo at a gig i saw in january  :smoking:

i've heard stories about billie joe playing eruption.

are there any clips or anything?

i just cant picture him playing it.

Billie Joe Armstrong does not get enough credit as a guitar player. He is a pretty damn good guitarist, i seen them play Def Leppard's Photograph and he smoked on the solo. He just gets slammed because alot of there early songs are three power chords. American Idiot has some fine playing on it, especially the song Homecoming, the riff is killer in that song.

I just listened to the old albums and forgot about how I used to love the old tracks like Welcome To Paradise and Basket Case. Walking Contradiction is a cool song too. GN'R fans probably don't like Green Day but for me they are a solid kick ass band with an excellent catalogue of good tunes (get their old International Superhits album) I'm regretting not seeing them at their recent gigs here. They even came back to Australia a second time for a huge gig at the Sydney Cricket Ground.

GunnerDU,

Try even the older albums..."Kerplunk" & "Smooth out the slappy hours". Those were the first two Green Day albums. Released on 92 and 89. Lyrics are very similar (it's what you expect from a teenager, Billy Joe was 17 in 89) but the albums are good. Lot's of good songs in there. Both albums were released on "Lookout"; an independent label in Berkeley. The sound is more raw.

Try to download "Going to Pasalacua", "2000 light years away", "Who wrote Holden Caulfield", "No one knows", "At the Library".

Green Day were critically acclaimed then, small fan-base, great gigs (my first GD show was in 92). Then they became huge worldwide with Dookie,  some of the older fans critized them for changing labels (called them sellouts) and they had to carry that stigma since. Today, people just like to critize them cause they've achieved great success again with American Idiot (an amazing record). I guess it's the cool thing to do. Let's hate Green Day cause everyone likes them.

That's always the way it is... once you're popular, everyone's got an opinion on you and a lot of the time it's negative.  I guess the dust has just about settled for American Idiot... It was pretty successful no?   :o

Yeah, definetaly start with Going To Pasalacqua... still one of, if not THE best song they've recorded.

Doesn't change the fact Green Day's guitar work is rubbish. If he can play better then not only is he a member of a shite band, but an idiot for not using his ability

Blah, blah, blah, they write a handful of the catchiest songs ever.  No need to mess with the formula.

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Stop Whining!

i dont get into green day myself....

Shit like this is called trolling. If you don't like the bands guitar work, don't listen.  :rant:

its been a good few years now since american idiot and green day were HUGE.

I liked the song when it first came out, as i could like pop punk back then and hadnt gotten into glam metal and other metal etc.

I could never appreciate jesus of surburbia or any of the awesome strong tracks on the album.

I turned my back on the band when i started to become sick of seeing them everywhere it drove me mad, green day everywhere.

Its been a long time now, being much more open minded in music and maturer than i was back then.

I can appreciate what a great album this was and what a great impact it had.

The album is made by a punk band. So they are going to be limited. But frankly, this album is not a punk effort.

It is an arena rock album. Just look at at, big drums, sing along parts. its got gang vocal HEYS. All the elements of an arena rock album that is exactly like a 00's formula of bon jovis slippery when wet.

some songs arnt as good as others but some songs are brilliant. The later videos when they got bigger, reminded me of gnr illusions era videos, huge videos that told a story, high budget.

The band did push for a big album and think about it, showed that an album can still be big in the 21st century, rather than just a single, they proved music can still be how the artist wants, aslong as it needs to be that epic 9 minute songs can hit the airwaves and receive frequent play. It was a huge album. Think about how big it was really. sure the band and the music isnt as good as for example def leppards hysteria, but in scale of popularity over one album and success this album is this generations big arena rock album i feel.

Sure theres better artists, everyone knows what music i love the most and support the most, but i wont ignore a quality album just because its by an artist with a reputation and label as a no brainer pop punk band.

(btw i like insomniac, i liked it when i was a kid, great aggressive album)

I like Brain Stew.

I took my kids to see American Idiot.  I had never paid attention to them before that.  I must say my husband and I enjoyed it though!!!  I remember they picked 3 people out of the audience to come on stage.  One to play drums one to play lead and one on base I think.  Pretty entertaining mind you.  One of the 3 kids was having his 18th b-day that day, and Billy Joy let him go home with his guitar that night, a birthday I am sure he will always cherish.  They also had a fire hose they brought out and completely douched the audience with, that was completely unexpected!!!

I wouldn't say they are the catchiest songs ever, but i agree that they're pretty awesome all the same.    I just checked wikpedia, apparently they're gonna begin recording a new album this month, should be pretty awesome when it's released!

New album is very, very good.

Ill actually purchase this.

The Green Day guys have got the Axl Rose syndrome. They have gone EPIC!!!!

Green Days meets the Beatles and Queen. This album is BIG, and very good.

although...there is a song called 21 guns. The chorus tune, and chords. IS blatantly riped off from ALL THE YOUNG DUDES

^ I remember you didnt like the last article I posted (flyover rock...), so I got another one for ya:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/03/arts/music/03pare.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/03/arts/music/03pare.html)

Jon Pareles talks to the band members.

You got me thinking about this line from the NYT article:
"The music is more expansive in every way, encompassing more styles and arriving in a newly spacious, three-dimensional production."

Sounds like another record we know and love right?  Except with GD's new album, it is praised for being so, instead of lambasted.

I think, what Green Day did right with this album, they still had a good mix of tracks that had alot of energy and rocked, aswell as the epic songs, and sections.

I think while CD had alot of great elements, it missed alot of the raw power often associated with previous GNR albums. To the average fan this probably wouldnt of been easy to accept. So i think thats where CD failed to garner the critical acclaim, that by what you are saying, 21st Century breakdown has achieved.

I guess we will see. I wondered how theyd follow up American Idiot, because lets face it, that was one of the biggest albums of this decade. I think they have made a great follow up, lets just see how the public takes it.

havent heard the album yet, but I have high expectations for it...going to the album signing in NYC this Friday, and possibly one of the secret shows next week if im lucky...I wont listen to the album till the day it comes out though...old school...

This album is, simply put, a masterpiece. Nothing less. I have been following Green Day since Dookie came out and American Idiot was great but this stuff is unbelievable. It's nothing less than a future rock classic. It's just too good to even describe right now that I'm through with my second listen. It's a very complex and intelligently crafted album with one song being better than the other. More mature than American idiot, and the subject matter is very pleasing here. Most young people who are not sheep and think for themselves can relate to this album. Highly recommended! 10/10.

21st Century Breakdown is excellent.  In fact, the hooks are so good that they sound like I've heard them somewhere before, if you know what I mean. 

You have, in other Green Day songs   :P

No, I definitely agree that a number of the songs sound similar to American Idiot tracks, but there is something even more familiar about some of these songs to other songs I've heard before.  I just can't think of which songs they sound like!  Its like Jesus of Suburbia which had elements of Motley Crue's On With the Show and Bryan Adam's Summer of 69.  This album too has elements of other songs I just can't figure it out.  Who's good at "Name That Tune"??

Damn. This new album is so bloody good. a few tracks in the later middle area that i can skip.

But the majority of the tracks are so bloody strong.

i dont know if they will do aswell commercially as American Idiot.

But personally i like this album alot more than AI.

I think the new single "21 Guns" is great also! Great arena rock anthem!


^and at the last part. Yes in some parts of songs, i hear the odd guitar riff or lead that i think "hey...now where have i heard that before". But hey, theres only so many frets on a guitar and only so many chord combinations you can use before it sounds like someone elses song.

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wish i could play venues the size Green Day do.

Green Day confirmed for the VMA's.

I personally was one of those who became interested in Green Day after Dookie came out. I bought their entire back catalogue at the time and saw them live at The Helsinki Ice Hall on august 31st 1995, it was one of the most energetic shows I'd ever been to at that time. Insomniac was a great album too, but then my interest in Green Day slowly faded away to give room for other bands. When American idiot came out however, I became interested in them again and after hearing many praises from their show in Helsinki last tuesday, I'm now kinda bummed that I missed it. Personally I think that bands like Green Day and Foo Fighters represent some of the best music that the post 80's rock scene has to offer and it's kinda funny to have watched them rise from playing clubs to becoming stadium-size bands..

Ok, since we were encouraged to talk about Green Day in the correct thread here goes. It's been almost 2 years since anyone posted in this thread so maybe I can see why GD were not the most popular choice around here for the Guns HOF induction.

Who else here was a bigger Green Day fan before American Idiot came out? I thought they kinda became the PC media darlings after that. Not really their fault but it started to annoy me.

I think they've improved as a band as time went on. Saw them play the O2 Arena on their last shows in the UK and they're definitely at the top of their (and everyone else's) game as a live band now. When it comes to bands that are still active and touring nowadays, I think great arena shows are limited to Guns, Pearl Jam, Foo Fighters, Metallica, Muse and Green Day. That's all there is left for large scale rock acts. Unfortunately, certain tracks on American Idiot got played to death on TV and radio, and that kind of killed the charm those songs had.

I really like how they've managed to grow since their early days, and not just release a bunch of identical albums, but were still able to keep the key ingredients that make it unmistakably Green Day. Evidently there are some people who don't wish bands to ever grow in any way and have accused them of selling out, but that always happens.

I actually was a fan in the 90's but they became a Top 5 band of mine after "American Idiot", that record is great from start to finish, even the broadway play was good, saw it twice.  I hold "American Idiot" up there as a top 10 album of all time for me.

With all the chaos of yesterday, it was pretty easy to miss the news that Green Day will be releasing three albums between September and January. Can't wait. ;D

youtube video of Green Day making their 3 album announcement...Not 1, Not 2, but 3!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYTmNrBHUhE&feature=player_embedded

Green Day confirmed for 2012 VMA's.  Here is a promo with Kevin Hart.

http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/awards/green-day-rehearsal-crashed-exclusive-vma-promo-104646590.html

Green Day played on the "America's Got Talent" finale last night.  They actually got top billing over Justin Bieber, believe it or not.  That kid is ridiculous.  He's like the Beatles with the reaction from all his little girl fans.  What is wrong with these kids?  Anyway, Green Day did a good job.  I dig the lead single.  And here's a recent article I came across where Billie Joe expresses his feelings for Bon Jovi.  Apparently, he's not too fond of them.  Gotta love when people are honest.  Thought it was funny.

http://www.noise11.com/news/billie-joe-armstrong-says-bon-jovi-are-the-worst-band-20120913?utm_source=Noise11+Subscribers&utm_campaign=5b8b46d833-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email

Billie Joe Armstrong Says Bon Jovi Are The ?Worst Band?

by Music-News.com on September 13, 2012

Billie Joe Armstrong insists Bon Jovi are the ?worst? band he?s ever played alongside.

The Green Day frontman has performed a huge variety of stage shows since the punk band formed in the ?80s. Billie Joe has played with a number of other musicians during his extensive career, and regretfully admits that American rock band Bon Jovi failed to impress him.

?The best is probably The Hives,? he said when asked about his favourite group to perform with. ?They?re a great live band.

?The worst? Oh boy, I have to go with Bon Jovi!?

Billie Joe is always amused by the number of rumours that swirl around about him. The 40-year-old star is not fazed by such speculation ? apart from when his family think it is true.

?I heard that I was dead. That?s pretty hard to beat, rumour-wise,? he laughed in an interview with British magazine Kerrang!

?I was in Los Angeles recording American Idiot, and I got a call from my wife freaking out. It was just internet stuff gone wild.?

Green Day is also made up of members Mike Dirnt and Tre Cool. The band is not immune from the odd argument ? especially when they?re touring.

?When you?re on the road, that happens all the time because you start to go a little wacko. The last time was probably right before we were about to go onstage at Shepherd?s Bush [venue in London],? he explained.

?We were having a band fight about personal stuff, and I was being a total diva.?

Ha! Bon Jovi!  Thats pretty funny. I'm not surprised since Billie loathes most 80's rock bands.  I know he likes GNR and Metallica a lot , but I think that might be it.

I have to check out the "America's Got Talent" thing, they have been doing so much promo for this trilogy.  If you pre-ordered tix for their new tour I believe you got Uno! for free, but that might have just been fan club members im not sure. The record should do really well, but its going to be tough to beat No Doubt's comeback album that week, chartwise anyway, well see. 

They'll beat No Doubt. They have been away too long.

The Replacements are one of his favourite bands.

yeah definitely.  I should have been more specific, by 80's rock bands I meant like the big commercial ones, Poison, Warrant, Bon Jovi etc.. I know he loves a ton punk rock bands from the 80's.  He has been vocal about not liking the 80's glam/pop metal stuff, which Bon Jovi falls into.

Exactly why I think No Doubt will take the number 1 spot, there is so much hype around their new record because it has been a decade since the last one.

While I actually enjoy "Settle Down", I've heard a lot of people who feel otherwise and it's not exactly lighting up the charts.  I think Green Day has a pretty good shot at beating them out.

cool story on the album trilogy by Guitar World, you can check it out at their website

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Apparently Armstrong is having personal issues after his whacked out meltdown at the iHeartradio fest over the weekend, very unfortunate.

Green Day's front man Billie Joe Armstrong is entering rehab for substance abuse ... a rep for the band tells TMZ.

The news comes just two days after Armstrong went ballistic in Vegas during a performance at the iHeart Radio Music Festival. He was videotaped screaming obscenities, slamming Justin Bieber and violently smashing his guitar on-stage.
 
The band's rep tells TMZ,  "Green day wants to apologize to those they offended at the iHeartRadio Festival in Las Vegas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50CR_3q3yu4&feature=player_embedded

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2012/09/23/green-day-billie-joe-armstrong-headed-to-rehab/#ixzz27KBmpj9T

I don't think they should apolgise at all. They had to cut their set nearly in half for some dude who shows you to your seat... (Usher)  :hihi:

Fuck Usher, Bieber, and all that other computerized auto-tuned lip-synching pop shit.

couldn't agree more, at least a few people in music still have the balls to say what is on their mind.  Green Day have been at it for 24 years, and are still at the top of their game, they shouldn't be having their time cut by the likes of Usher...of course the label is locking him away in rehab for it, but still..totally worth it!

I saw the clip.... never liked Green Day, but respect Billie Joe a ton after that clip. True rock and roll moment!

Watched it on YT,funny but also seemed completely planned.

Apparently he's going to rehab

yeah rehab and canceled appearances for the next few weeks, hardly something a person would plan.  I don't think it was staged at all, he was pissed and just lost it, its not the first time he's flipped out on stage, wont be the last.  Its Billie Joe Armstrong not Drake over here, I don't understand why people are so surprised that he had a profanity laced flip out.  Where have they been the last 24 years?

I'm not a fan but that BJ got a lil' more restepc from me now.  : ok:

Coming from the Male Avril Lavigne he should shut the fuck up

I don't know if i'd go that far lol. Green Day does have talent. She well, doesn't.

i think he is theeeee lamest , fakest,"rockstar"out there.....really???  a broadway play???   there is nothing punk or rock  that dude! & that shit he pulled the other night was just another 'whaaaaaaaa look at me' moment........fuck him.

So are The Who not real rockstars?  They actually wrote a broadway play, unlike Billie Joe who's album was made into a broadway play.  How exactly is he fake?   I will counter your statement by saying he is one of the very few real actual rockstars left out there.

Also nothing wrong with the Broadway thing, actually saw it twice, once with Billie Joe in it, I didn't realize there were rules on how someone expresses their art

I thought what Billy did was cool and all, fair play if he felt an injustice for having his bands time cut short. But at the same time I felt abit embarrased for him, especially when he started to smash his guitar in a sort of protest.  :P

If he did all that because he was genuinely pissed of then fine, but I think "other" factors where in play here, and that's the only reason why I'm not fully supporting what he did.

The whole "I" this and "I" that was a bit off putting and hard to watch, very much train wreck entertainment.

It'll be interesting to see how he handles the aftermath, hopefully he doesn't come off like a spoiled (American) idiot..

It said "1 Minutes"... that leads me to believe it was counting down time and he waited until 1 minute to rant & draw everyone's attention to it.   Planned or not, still entertaining to see a little stage rant.

They have them at a few venues. It's not a countdown. They're only used if it's getting towards the end of a band's time and they're not showing any signs of bringing their set to an end.

yah, if this thing happened with Axl and he reacted similarly you guys would all think Axl was a pussy, rite?

I don't doubt that they use it to tell the band to get off stage... but the pluralisation makes me think he had already seen it when it said "5 minutes" "4 minutes" "3 minutes".  That's just what I suspect, but it doesn't make a difference really.

so they should've stopped playing at once? give an even shorter show to their fans? doesn't matter if it started at "5 minutes".

If I was promised 45 minutes, then after playing only 20 of those and the clock would start ticking I'd think it was some kind of fuck up or misunderstanding and that it would go away. a song later and it says "1 minute(s)". I'd probably react. (that's what i heard had happened.)

axl wouldn't play a lame ass corprete gig like that anyhow....

I have no idea how this is so much worse than the VMAs? Sincere question.

I have to agree that's part of the problem here. In the last few years, Green Day has played on American Idol, America's Got Talent, countless award shows, and this pop radio festival. If you don't want to be treated like Justin Beiber stop playing the types of shows Justin Beiber performs on.

good point, the VMA's are actually worse in my opinion.  MTV is a network that rarely plays or promotes music, yet they have a music awards show ever year.  At least iheartradio is music oriented.

Just wedding though.

Ouch!!

I'd be interested to know exactly when "playing a music festival" became selling out. Was under the impression that's just what bands (including GN'R) do...

It always amazes me how people forget what the VMAs are and represent.  Oh well, whatever.

I never saw American Idiot, but I was curious to.  When I went to see Tommy at the City Winery about a year ago, Billie Joe came up onstage at the end of the set and played with Jesse Malin and Tommy.  He walked right by me on his way up to the stage.  It was pretty cool. 

Its not, its what bands do, they play festivals to promote their music, I dont think there is anything wrong with it.  There are some bands like Kiss or Motley Crue where their every move motivated by what is going to get them the most money. Those are just the two most corporate/sellout bands I could think of off the top of my head, I am a fan of both of those bands but they are what they are. 

Bands like Green Day  do what they want whenever they want.  I don't think some people on here are quite grasping the fact that Billie Joe Armstrong just doesn't give a fuck, period.  He has been doing whatever he wants since the 80's, he was playing a style of music that wasn't hip or mainstream because he believed in it, now because the pop punk scene exploded mainly because of him he is a sellout for it.  Makes no sense. 

yeah   im sure we'd have no problem with axl goin on America Got Talent and sharing the bill with Justin Bieber....they sold out the day they released dookie....."punk"my ass!!!

It wasn't America's Got Talent, though, was it. It was a music festival. Sometimes, bands will play festivals sharing the bill with artists they don't personally like. It's the way it goes... no one has control over the other artists a music festival books. You know that N'Sync and Britney Spears played Rock In Rio III, right?

Also, yes... punk rock. People like to attach all of these rules to what is and isn't punk rock. I'd argue that the very concept of applying rules to punk rock is counter to everything punk rock stands for. The fact is, Green Day are still playing the same kind of music they were playing in 1988. There may have been a few variations on some songs, but mostly, the only thing that's changed is it's popularity. And people who judge a band for becoming popular are pretty low in my estimation. ;)

I think Green Day did play "America's Got Talent", but like I said I have no problem where a band brings their art, as long as it doesnt change them.

Dead Flower up there accuses them of selling out the second they put out "Dookie"  Well what was the difference between, "Dookie" and "Kerplunk", other than the fact "Dookie" went on to be a more successful record than "Nevermind."  So you are punishing them for their success.  Like AxlReznor said they are playing the same kind of music they were playing in the beginning.  Since Guns N Roses exploded in 1988,  Nirvana and the grunge movement in the 90's,  hip hop in the mid 90's, rap rock and industrial in the late 90's early 2000's to today, Green Day has been making the same style records all through that.  I believe that is actually the opposite of selling out.  Also in all fairness, Green Day are not the only band from that scene to stay true, bands like NOFX, Social Distortion and Pennywise bring "not selling out" to a whole other level.  But as far as a major label band with sustained success for 25 years not compromising their sound or beliefs to please others Green Day is one of the few bands that falls in that category. 

How does tripe like Blvd of Broken Dreams or When September Ends compare in any conceivable way to their 80's/90's output?

Easy... 'Time Of Your Life'.  ;)

Personally I don't consider Green Day "punk".
I'm more comfortable with "pop punk".
Does it really matter? No. It's music, and if you like it, great. If you don't, great.

For me, punk was an era in music that has been over for a long time.
Bands like MC5, Stooges, Misfits etc.

Bands have come along since that would have fit right in with that era like Fugazi for example, but never in a million years would I lump Green Day in with them.

I can dig me some Green Day. I had Smoothed out slappy hours, Kerplunk, Dookie.
They were good for what they were, and that to me was a band that played real simple safe pop songs.
They came from a large scene that I always felt was on the cusp of exploding.
Green Day was the band that pushed through first and has remained, but I never saw them as above their peers, musically or creatively.
I think they just happened to play it a bit more safe than bands like NOFX and Lagwagon, and thus became more commercially successful.
They have remained popular for a long time, which I guess is impressive, but in my opinion it has more to do with the fact that it's been slim pickings as far as main stream rock music goes for what seems like forever. Again, I'm more comfortable with the term "pop punk", and I'd slide them a lot closer to pop than punk. I think they are talented, it's not a knock, I just hardly consider them a rock band.

It doesn't bother me soo much with Green Day, but it used to drive me crazy to hear shit bands like Sum 41 and Good Charlotte referred to as punk.
Thankfully those guys have fallen off the face of the planet, I think?

I hear ya......my fellow gunners....im just not a fan.... :peace:

Believe it or not, I am pretty sure that Chris Wilson formerly of Good Charlotte is an active member of the gang FSU (Friends Stand United).  If its not him its another member.  Some of those guys have some.... interesting roots. 

I agree with the more "pop punk" assessment, and also agree it doesnt really matter, if you like the songs great.  I disagree with the slim pickings remark though,  I buy new cds every week mostly from bands that didnt even form till 2002-2005.  

Sum 41 got nominated for the best metal song Grammy this year.  Actually was one of the better records of the past few years, not metal though.  Neither are the Foo Fighters who actually won.

Green Day has to settle for number 2, oh well, I was hoping to see all 3 albums of the trilogy top the chart, but Mumford and Sons is monstrous right now, I forgot that was coming out this week.

Has anyone heard anything on Armstrong's health of late? 

It seems they cancelled their Voodoo fest date so who knows at this point.

Beyond that, did anybody else hear John Lydon/Johnny Rotten (Sex Pistols/PiL) on Opey and Anthony this morning?

He absolutely hammered Green Day, likened them to garden gnomes.  He apparently had a very one way conversation with Armstrong at a gig and told him exactly what he thought of them and it wasn't pretty.

I've heard Armstrong get pissy before on the subject, seems the lack of acceptance from the original punk guys really bugs him.

Billie Joe is from a completely different generation of punk music, and without question there is a more commercial/pop element to the his generation.  It makes sense to me that he would get hammered by guys from the previous generation.  I would think a lot of that stems from jealousy, as here you have these guys like the Sex Pistols who laid the foundation down then a band like Green Day comes in with a way more commercial sound and completely dwarfs them in album sales and money made.  The other thing is like I said, Green Day is a more melodic punk band, with elements of pop.  Their songwriting in ways is more similar to the Beatles formula than say the Sex Pistols.  Green Day is more pop sounding punk band, I can see why Johnny Rotten would hate it.

That being said some of the old dinosaurs really need to get over themselves.  It's 2012, their time has long passed.  I have the utmost respect for the Sex Pistols and their influence, but I don't really ever enjoy listening to them.  I would rather listen to NOFX, Pennywise, Green Day, The Ramones, Rancid, H2O, Minor Threat,  and a slew of other bands before putting "Nevermind the Bollocks" on .  Like I said, I respect that record and realize none of those other bands would have ever happened without it, but that doesn't make it the end all be all of punk music.  The Sex Pistols help start the genre, they don't own it.

^^Completely agree with everything Bodhi said here. Lydon has always been pissed because he feels the establishment invaded punk and turned it into a fashion statement. So by default he hates pretty much every band lumped into that genre that has come out since. And I agree, he needs to get over himself.

Ironic considering he was part of what turned punk into a fashion statement.

When your band was manufactured by a money-grabbing bastard in order to sell his shop's fashion range, you have no right to say what is and isn't punk...

It's just Lydon being Rotten, which always makes for good copy.

I don't mind Green Day at all personally, they've stood the test of time and have made some good (sorry guys, pop music).

I don't throw around the term "punk" too much, I associate it more with a cultural change that saw its beginning and end in an 11 month period in mid '77 to mid '78.

Anyway, back to Billy Joe - how is he?  

Anyone?  Bueller???

so you are saying punk didn't exist after 1978?  That statement just blew my mind.  Somebody should tell Fat Mike from NOFX, Fletcher from Pennywise and wait, about a thousand other artists from punk bands over the last 30 years.

Im sure Billie Joe is fine, they are still releasing new singles form "Dos!", and i get emails everyday about things they are doing in the coming months involving the tour and all that.  The "rehab" thing is probably bullshit, he is on vacation.

You're obviously buying into the McClaren angle, don't.

He was a mere entrepeneur who took advantage and saw a cultural shift coming and prospered from it - the only thing he manufactured was a notion.

And Lydon/Rotten certainly has every right to say whatever he wants about those who came after - good or bad.

As I said, I associate it more with a cultural change than a defined musical genre, a window in time for the most part.


Good for him, he sure looked/sounded like he needed one after that meltdown.