Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Some Australian reviews have come in. One is from SiLvAnA who went to both of the Sydney shows and was very impressed - one of the greatest live band ever seen! During the second show, there was an incident where Scott angily told some fans with an Axl Rose banner to leave the show. Scott said the banner insulted the band and other VR fans. Scott told them they were not invited, had wasted their money and to get out. "If you want to see a fat, bald guy who wears a wig, you'll have to wait another ten years."

Source: http://www.snakepit.org/news.html

Fuck you Scott. I had tickets to see VR but i never did.
I didn't want to see a dancing like gay Wannabe Rockstar Who things he is better than Axl nad has nothing new to offer as Rock Image

I prefer to see a Fat, bald Guy with Wig Who has great unique Rock Voice and personality rather than a 2nd class Rockstar who says bullshit about others.......

But Scott don't Worry History will Only Remember Axl as a great Rock Frontman and not Scott Weiland.

:rant:

That's pretty sad if he kicked people out over an Axl banner. That is the exact type of behavior Axl would display.  :no:

how is it sad ? what the fuck is someone doing with an Axl banner at a VR show ? Not a GN'R banner, an AXL ROSE banner.

Deserved to be thrown out the fucking window even.

Watching a Velvet revolver show brings absolutely NO recollection of GN'R, let alone Axl.
Bringing along an Axl banner is downright stupid.

Hmm....Scott is a douchebag. However, I don't see the point in bringing an Axl Rose banner to a Velvet Revolver show. That's just asking for trouble. Pretty stupid to begin with. On the other hand, it's easy to stay thin when the only thing going in your body is heroin... ::) What a baby, kicking them out. Tears Scott, tears... :'( :'(

The point isn't the banner. ?The point is his comments about Axl. ?Axl may have said some nasty things in the past, but I don't believe he ever went as far as to insult someone for physical aspects that are, for the most part, beyond your control. ?What Scott said is just plain rude. ?

didn't axl say that if kurt cobains and courtney loves baby was "retarded" they should be put in prison? he's not beyond insulting like that himself, or should i say "wasn't".

its fucking stupid to bring an axl banner to a VR show, you're not making some comment about loyalty, you're just being an attention seeking dick. i can't stand crap like that, or people who make a point of booing and folding their arms if its a song they dont like or agree with. just get over yourself

yeah scott could have reacted better, but to be honest i doubt he really thinks that about axl, by which i mean, he was in the heat of the moment and just fucked off with these fans who persist in going on about axl at a show for a band that has nothing really to do with axl in the present.

theres no real point in sayin scott is an idiot for saying that shit (a fair point) but then insulting him as well, it kinda negates the comment you just made.

t is rude to talk bad about someone, but I think it's worse to kick your fans out if they aren't starting trouble. ?It makes him look worse since he did something Axl would do but then went on to make fun of Axl.

I do agree with those who say ?it was pointless to bring an Axl banner to a VR concert but as long as they aren't harming anyone I don't see the big deal. Ask them to take it down if it really bugs you but let them see the show they paid to see.

Put yourself in Scott's position. How would you feel ?

This person paid, not to see the show, but to be an ass.

Scott didn't make fun of Axl based on kicking people out of gigs - he made fun of him based on other things, which he has every right to do.

well...Even though axl is in no way VR related its still abit lame he had a rant like that and insulted axl for no reason.

I thought slash and the guys were proud of there GNR herritage?

It's not Stupid at all. Some Fans want to show their frustration towards Slash, Duff that they left GNR.
This has nothing to do with scott. It is Directed mainly to Slash,Duff,Matt.

If Scott wants not to be compared with AXl 1st he should stop acting Like Axl and 2nd Music quality to top what AXl Did.

I had no problem For Ranting against the Banner. The point is that he attacked/Joked the physical characteristics of someone else. That is plain stupid,low and arrogant and he better watch out cause life brings worse things than the ones you joked Badly About.

really? i've never really heard of anyone, let alone enough for there to be a "type" of fan who is frustrated with slash and duff because they left GNR. it maybe so, and in that case, well ok. however scott isn't really gonna know that and based on my own experiences i'm more inclined to think it was an asshole ripping on scott. though i do see your point the more i think about it.

i don't think scott has to top any music connected with axl to stop being compared, it'll happen for awhile now, even if the band manage to pop out several albums it'll happen. steve tyler still gets compared to mick jagger, for instance. however, i think you could argue over their studio albums, STP had plenty of material to rival GNR. i mean, it's mainly AFD that they have their consistent reputation. i'm not saying the other stuff is crap, its nothing like it, but if you take away AFD you lose alot of their best material. whereas with STP its more spread out and consitent IMO.

i see what you mean about scott making jokes about axls personal appearance, but i would consider that he said it in the heat of the moment and perhaps said them more to make a point about what axls doing and what he's doing. scotts put out an album, beaten his addictions, and gone on tour for over a year is it now? and axls still doing the same album he started years ago (albeit one thats had so many new songs the old ones won't even be used). i think scott could see this and just think, well why are they still idolising axl when he hasn't done anything in so long.

plus, like i said in my previous post, axl hasn't been above this kinda shit before, heck, at least scott didn't jump into the crowd and attack the guy eh! :)

yeah he didnt need to take the piss outta axl....cause it makes it sound like slash n duff and co have told him this stuff.

Though is axl really bald?

Ha! ?I always thought that was one of Axl's best quotes. ?In fact, that whole rant about Cobain and Nirvana was classic. ?:hihi:

On topic, yeah Axl has taken personal shots at others but never at Weiland. ?At least not yet. ?After shit like this, that might change.

I can understand Scott's aggravation at seeing an Axl banner at a Velvet Revolver concert. ?But it's a slippery slope if he wants to get "personal," being as he never has, doesn't now, nor ever will hold a candle to Mr. Rose.

No.

Did you think the same thing when Axl threw a fan out at Rock In Rio in 2001?

Nope, because that person was at a GUNS N' ROSES show, or at least they believed they were.

Slash was part of GN'R, but Axl has never been part of VR, so they had every right at Rio to advertise Slash.

*edit - Slash, not shash. haha.

To be honest...All people Related around these dudes from GNR, VR etc all have the biggest egos i know so it will be of no surprise that they say stuff like this.

Next Axl will say he is sueing scott or something.

But Slash, Duff, and Matt were a part of GN'R.

Let him or aaxl throw out who they please.

In the end  it's gonna be at their own risk

so then a GNR banner not a Axl banner. I can understand his own personal agrassion, but the "insult to the band part" is stupid cause slash always says how he is proud of his GNR herritage. Though the Axl piss take was funny it was totally uneccessary.

yea, but being a part of GN'R doesn't mean being a part of Axl.

Scott wouldn't have told someone weilding a GN'R banner to get out.

He's working his way towards that! :smoking:

How does this figure into the equation ?

Slash being proud to be part of the GN'R legacy doesn't mean he should allow an Axl banner.
An Axl banner at a VR gig serves one purpose - to shit on VR.

Cool, he's also working his way towards getting booed offstage.

Honestly, I can see and understand why both Axl and Scott would want to throw someone out. Is it silly?.....maybe. But they'll do what they choose to do.

But that leaves no room for debate  :(

lol...... your quick! :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

 :peace:

Maybe Scotts showing his dangerous and rebellious side?

maybe one day he will get an interview where the name Axl Rose isnt mentioned in it or hes questioned about.

But he should enjoy the attention now...because the earth will shake  one of these days and the focus will shift  on that fat,bald guys who wears a wig. Only thing is they will also be talking about the meanigful lyrics and meaningful album he will provide. NOt the art of talking up a big game when there are no heavyweights in the industry.

I also pray we get a nice rant or even a verbal back n forth match one day. Ill sacrifice the Axl is jealous of VR, and is a dickhead from all the great civilized posters we have here. Just get that white flag ready Scott. Even you bandmates will probably be left smirking and giggling...if you know what I mean.

Funny that this is only coming up now, I metioned it after I went to see the second Sydney show and no-one batted an eyelid about it.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=17250.20

I think it's disrespectful to do something like that at a VR show, the same as it's disrespectful to take a Slash sign to a nuGN'R show.
Scott was getting heaps of cheers in the crowd when he told the guy off too! : ok:

Probably because no1 cares all that much about VR around here. If this was Axl there would be a 20 pg thread on it...and all the negatives...yada yada yada

Well this is the VR section of the board and it's certainly causing up some stir now...

Yeah, great point...

http://vr.belowempty.com/articles/2005/050120_LA_Times.php

http://vr.belowempty.com/articles/2005/050101_Metal_Hammer.php

http://vr.belowempty.com/articles/2004/041106_Kerrang.php

http://vr.belowempty.com/articles/2004/041105_Boston_Globe.php

http://vr.belowempty.com/articles/2004/040401_RockinOnMag.php

http://vr.belowempty.com/articles/2004/040528_Clarin_Argentina.php

http://vr.belowempty.com/articles/2004/040601_KerrangMagazine.php

http://vr.belowempty.com/articles/2004/040604_ChartAttack.php

http://vr.belowempty.com/articles/2004/041201_HitParader.php

http://vr.belowempty.com/articles/2005/050126_Kerrang.php

http://vr.belowempty.com/articles/2004/041231_Las_Vegas_Review_Journal.php

http://vr.belowempty.com/articles/2004/041211_The_Miami_Herald.php

http://vr.belowempty.com/articles/2004/041203_The_Sun.php

http://vr.belowempty.com/articles/2004/041018_MTV.php

http://vr.belowempty.com/articles/2004/040901_ClassicRock.php

...maybe one day. ?: ok:

now do us all a favor and post the ones where Axl and gnr are mentioned...ill give u a few days...

Sammy Hagar had to deal with this kind of thing when he took over David Lee Roth's spot in Van Halen. I think with time this sort of thing will pass. I wouldn't take the Axl diss too seriously. He was probably just pissed off and speaking off the cuff. I doubt Weiland wants to start a pissing contest with Axl.

That wont necessary since Ive completely invalidated your comment.

Yes, Booker, being that I didnt say MOST, you found a loophole to win the argument. Chalk another one up for the all technical...I mean all mighty Booker boys n girls...

you get the point of what I was saying and your response to my response clearly shows that.

Its also interesting how you havnt chimed in on what Scott had to say. Im willing to wager if the name was Axl Im sure you would have thrown in your comments into the mix

Scott can't bear the Axl's comparaison. HE KNOWS what people think about him: "good frontman, but not Axl". and I would say this "not Axl" thing annoys him a lot...
It's the same when people say about Robin Finck: "good guitar player, but not Slash". However Finck keeps his anger for himself I guess...

I really dont have a problem with him getting pissed off about the Axl signs or whatever. I just think that when he talks about Axl in that manner would be something he really shouldnt involve himself with cause if or when Axl respondsScott would not be looking so badass when its all said and done.

Buy hey if that part of the whole badass act...by all means continue

The guys in GNr already know there role. They have never tried to mock or make fun of the old band. They have ene said some good things about them. The GNr guys are in a different situation than Scott is. I think that has a lot to do with it as well.

To tell you the truth, I think the Axl/Weiland comparison is kind of cool. We haven't had a debate in rock like this since David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar, and that's gotten old.

The Lee Roth/ Sammy Hagar thing was about two frontmen of the same band.

VR and GN'R are not the same band, nor are they even alike in any way bar that 3 members used to be Gunners.

So no.

Wow what a loser and hypocrite Scott is. He is an Axl wannabe and it?s pathetic. Btw Scott should not talk since he looks like a heroine addict, oh wait he is one, never mind.

Btw I find if funny all you guys who are crying that someone brought an Axl banner to the VR show, well people bring Slash banners to axls new gnr show, and yes i know slash  used to be in gnr but he is not anymore, plus VR plays gnr shows.  Fucking loser.

who gives a fuck if he throws some clown out?  tis a great way to advertise the band
anyway wearing an axl t shirt or watever the fuck he did is saying as clear as day "I reckon Axl is a million times better than you" What sort of a thick fecker PAYS money to see a band just so they can insult them? (or at least the lead singer anyway)

of course if they were going around calling themselves guns n' roses twould be a different story

Though i hardly ever agreed with Axl's rants, I always thought they were funny as hell. 

Same goes for Scott and this outburst, as uncalled for as it was, it's fucking hysterical.

No, it's because the original discussion was in an Aussie thread that would have appealed more to Australian fans. Obviously, it's getting more attention now because this thread brings attention to what happened.

Again, talk is cheap. Axl hasn't been "badass" in years. I don't think Scott is worried about someone who is considered a joke to the music industry.

For sure.

The days of "Axl Fucking Rose" were long gone when he chose not to answer the Vince Neil challenge.


DISCLAIMER: The above was by no means meant to start the Axl/Vince discussion, just a refrence to the point in time Axl's  public persona took a major hit.

You are joking right? Axl took a hit because he didn?t answer some stupid fight challenge? Most people didn?t even know about the challenge yet you say Axl took a hit.   Look at Axls popularity before and after that til 1993, Axl was still vastly popular especially compared to Vince Neil.

As for Axl being a joke now, yeah people like to take cheap shots at him but look at who those people are, most are no named washed up 80s rock stars, if Axl was still not popular he would not be asked by MTV every year to do the VMAs and he would still not have articles written about him. Like I said before, any article about Axl good or bad is a plus since it shows people still care, the day people stop talking about Axl is the day he will take a hit.

Not joking at all. 

I said nothing about popularity, or compared his fame to that of Vince Neil. 

Then how did Axl take a hit for not fighting him if he didnt get any less popular because of it?

I should have specified, his image as "Axl Fucking Rose, Badass Rocker" took a hit.  He became much less (pardon the pun) in-vince-able. 

Rolling out that grand piano didn't help the image either...

Maybe in your eyes but not in most peoples since like I said, most people did not even know about it.

Well said.

Let's see, he called black people "niggers".... It really cracks me up how offended people get and take things personal; when they are said about Axl. Axl has pulled some of the biggest asshole moves ever. Throws a chair on a crowd of fans, calls peopel niggers, kicks a guy out of a show for wearing a Slash shirt.....the list can go on and on and on. YOu act liek Axl has never said anything "rude".

I have no idea how many people knew about it, being all over MTV at the time and rehashed again and again every time some hair band/Sunset Strip/metal thing airs on VH1 nowadays would lead me to believe about a bazillion people were/are aware of it.

classic

No one is crying here mate, in fact I think it's the opposite. Why would someone pay to go to a VR show to hold up an Axl sign??? Pretty fucking stupid if you ask me, and he deserves all the shit he got from Scott.

And like you said, it's the same disrespect if someone turned up to a nuGNR show and held up a Slash sign, even though Slash was once a part of GN'R, but Axl has never been a part of VR.

Anyway, regardless of Axl comparisons, I thought Scott was an amazing frontman when I saw VR on the 2 nights in Sydney : ok:

I love axl more than anything, but when he does similiar shit everyone thinks he is the coolest fuckin dude ever so i have no problem with scott doin this

i actually like it and think its funny because its real

it isnt some manufactured politically correct bullshit like the music out now

bringing an axl rose banner to a VR show IS an insult to everyone in the band just as if someone brought a Slash banner to axls show

remember when someone kept screamin for slash? didnt axl say something like, if u wanna live in the past go home and listen to your cds and all videos before i stop the show and 10,000 people turn around and kick your ass

something to that effect. so really u cant be hypocritical, itscool when axl does it, so u cant bash scott
cause if i were scott that shit would get old and piss me off also


HOWEVER

scott didnt help himself any by dressing up like axl for halloween and they need to quit playin GNR material all together.


also last time i checked Vince Neil was looking and sounding pretty fuckin good these days so no more vince bashing please

What was so witty and hysterical about his comment?

I would love to hear some of Scotts rants. Or transcripts. Ive only heard the we play real rock n roll routine he does.

When did I go around saying Axl is a badass? When did you hear Axl himself proclaim he is a badass?
I personally think Axl is a badass but from a different persepective. Not like the old days. But the whole do your own thing type thing rathe rthan the rnr type thing that he once was. Thats for another day though

 But you dont see me going around claiming hes a badass....or more improtantly you dont hear Axl proclaiming hes a badass.

Still waiting on the ones requested? : ok:

When did you hear Axl make fun of Scott or even make fun of Slash? He has said some things toward Slash but that stems from the bands history. IS he calling Slash personal names? FOr the most part he recited his side or view of a situation old gnr had in regards to touring and material.

How does that equate to what Scott said? Im not saying what Scott said is the end of the world. Its nothing we havnt heard or original but im just talking in terms of the situation. Axl informed that very person that if he wanted to see Slash he should go check out the old boots? Is that dissing?

The only "extreme" negative thing Axl has said that I can think of off the top of my head is when he said Slash can suck his Dick. Again that has to do with the whole band situation and how Axl feels Slash lied.{whetehr true or not true} and Im not saying that makes it right to say that either.

There is nothing of comparison that Axl has said thus far towards VR to what Scott said.

Uh, what's not funny about it? 

He merely stated the same things regarding Axl's physical appearance everyone and their collective dogs have speculated about for a few years now.

Anyone who doesn't find this or Axl's silly rants funny is taking shit way too personal.

I hope Scott and Slash throw Booker and Aqueisence out of a show and Axl throws Younggunner and Dave out of a show.

Then I want to see what each of the above members mentioned above post :yes:


just kidding everyone :rofl:

I just see yg and dave and booker and aque always going at it in these threads. 

Thats why I probably dont find it clever or funny!

I agree. But I dont find it funny not becuas eits on Axl but because I just didnt think it was that funny. If he said something funny I would laugh. I have laughed at many Axl disses in the past. If its funny its funny.

What I find funny is that you would compare this whored out line to any of Axls rants.

No comparisons were made.

And what exactly is a "whored out line"?

....
If you want to see a fat, bald guy who wears a wig, you'll have to wait another ten years."

While it's an obvious dig at Axl, it's also Scott previewing himself in 10 years.

That's what's so damn witty and clever...

:hihi:

Scott should hire you to write his jokes and we wont have a problem

Thanks, but Weiland's doing fine on his own, self deprocation is quite refreshing coming from a vein rock star type.

You seemed to imply that Axl is bad ass when you said "when Axl responds, Scott won't be looking so bad ass when all is said and done."

It could also suggest that if you want to see Axl, youll literally have to wait 10 years - which gives it an unintentional triple-meaning...or is that a double-meaning.  :confused:

LOL, triple or double, its a hilarious new take on Scott's quote.

Because if Axl chooses to reply Im sure he will have some nice witty, sarcastic comments for Weiland that will make Scott look dumb.

LOL scott was only saying what everyone else was thinking

I don't think Scott has to fear Axl making him look dumb when Axl is too busy making himself look dumb.

Yeah, and Axl hasn't been cool for 10 years and Scott's just trying to be like Axl, but isn't, and wank.

Fuck this. How can some of you be so fucking stupid?

I think it's pretty fucking understandable for Scott to get angry if someone brings an Axl Rose banner to a VR show. It's a banner. Not a small t-shirt or some piece of clothing but a banner. Just to start shit. It's just to start shit. Nothing more, nothing less. Doesn't matter if Slash has said he's proud of  his heritage, that banner was there just to start shit.

A quick side note about the whole Axl and RIO case... That t-shirt, that said "Slash = GN'R" if I remember correctly, was also there, in Rio... you guessed it: just to start shit. How do any of these motherfuckers ever think that they'll accomplish anything with these things? Are they really thinking on their way home that "that'll teach 'em... now they'll get back together..."

If some of you want to bash Axl, Scott, Slash.. or whoever the fuck. This is not the place. You can make your own little club, print t-shirts and maybe have your own secret little handshake.. but this, is _not_ the place! I know some of you are doing this for fun. You know. Just to see what the reaction of the opposite side is... but I've grown pretty fucking tired of it... Why? Because the arguments are always the same.. Every mother, fucking, time.. Always. Except sometimes when someone tries real hard, and finds a whole new level of stupidity that no other idiot had thought of before..

Fuck!

Amen to the first part!!! But I still wanna hear a couple Gn'R tunes at the shows.....They are great to hear.

Scott was right...I love Axl and I love VR...but don't you think that Axl would say the same thing about Slash if there's some fan a a GNR concert with a '' bring back Slash '' banner...

Totally agree.  That, in my mind, was blatant attempt at annoying Scott and the band.  Fuck those 'fans'.  They belong at a GnR show, not a VR show.  Oh... hold on... ;)

But they are/were both in a band with Duff and Slash, so yes. The name of the band is different, but the comparison is still valid. So yes.

why should you bring Axl banner to VR show? emmm... to make trouble ;) That was just a normal behaviour from Scott  :)

I thought the 10 years thing was digging into axl's amount of time to release a album.

amen!

but at least it's amusing to read...

Well if you went to a Gn'R show with a Scott banner you'd get kicked out aswell

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

If there are some idiots acting like that way, it's just entitled for Scott say fuck off, this is VR!

Scott will never hold a candle to Axl, and he knows this  : ok:

I'm not saying the person was right for holding up an Axl banner at a VR show, but it was in no way different then someone holding up a slash sign at a gnr show, when slash is no longer in the band.  actually imo, the latter is worse because there was a new band on stage that was working really hard that got shit on simply because they weren't that Slash  ::)  If you ask me, Slash has no place in the GNR world now.

And Axl has never attacked Scott personally in this way.. Pussy.

yeah but thats only cause Axl hasnt said anything for 2 years now.

VR werent even a group last time axl was talkin

u better believe axl would have some kind of wise crack if someone held up a VR or Scott Weiland banner

i guarantee he'd go on some sort of drug rant about scott.

Well if he do, then he is just firing back at what Scott said........

Oh for fuck's sake, Scott has never met Axl, Axl never said anything about Scott. He is only listening to what Duff, Matt and Slash were telling him. They can't really say anything because all of them were high or drunk when gnr were still going. They don't even remember signing off the gnr name!

first of all what kind of idiot would bring an Axl Rose banner to VR conert? What Scott did was wrong but still, why do that?

Axl would have said something like, 'Go Home Fuckhead'.  basically a 'fuck you', which is what the axl banner guy at the VR concert deserved.   I didn't see Axl insulting former members looks and appearance on the last tour or taking personal shots at them like that.   Axl hasn't talked nearly as much shit as the old guys who just can't seem to keep Axl or Guns out of their mouths.


exactamundo  : ok:

It's only because the press keep insisting on bringing up GNR in interviews...

And the only time Slash, for instance, ever mentions GNR, he says that he's proud of that heritage - and he has a right to be proud of it, cos he played just as big a part toward the legacy of GNR as anyone else, including poor old Axl.

I disagree with Scott mouthing off on stage about this whole thing though, it only deepens the rift instead of letting it lie. VR are successful enough now thanks to their music, I think they've exceeded all expectations (including their own)... in time these idiots screaming and waving Axl banners will piss off elsewhere and fade away.

Axl wouldve even if scott never said anything and for those who dont think he would, u obviously havent paid much attention to Axl over his entire career.


on the 2002 tour, if VR were around and had they never even mentioned axl but came to the show with a VR rules banner or a Scott Weiland banner axl wouldve hit the fuckin roof

he did less over someone yelling "wheres slash" he talked about 10,000 people turnin around and kickin his ass.

So lets dont make axl a model citizen all of a sudden

i support scott for doing that because thats real fuckin rock n roll and i love shit thats real whether i agree with it or not. i can still respect scott havin the balls to say that.

they can choose to not comment

wrong!  you obviously haven't read much slash, duff, or matt interviews.

wrong! Axl was, is, and always will be the heart and soul behind GnR.  $lash is replacable.  you can't have GnR without Axl.  You can have it without $lash. 

because its ignorant to hold up $lash signs or yell for $lash at a GNR concert when he has been out of the band for almost 10 years.   And to make matters worse he is suing axl.. he's really got some fucking nerve.  But did Axl ever insult $lash personally?  Making fun of his pubic hair head or his weight?  I dont believe so.. and I've heard all the 2002 shows and rants.

Guns N' Roses is so much better off without Slash in it.

And i dont see Axl Rose suing Scott Weiland.. There should be no beef between the two guys...

although he should consider it given how bad Scott mutilates Mr. Brownstone live  :yes:

Well, people are going to bring those kinds of banners, period.  They all know that, and they are in charge, so they should handle it responsibly.  It is going to happen no matter what Scott or anyone says, so he can either handle it gracefully (ignore it), or he can bitch about it like a child.

Also, if he is going to go off on the fans, there is no need to go off on Axl too.  It's not like Axl paid people to go in there with that banner.  Axl had nothing to do with it.  And even if Scott is compared to Axl or hounded with questions about him, etc., how does that justify making fun of Axl's weight and hair? 

When i saw the band in 2002 there was a no sign rule.. probably because of assfucks like this guy

Scott Weiland needs to shut his mouth.  It's pretty obvious he completely unsecure with his role as the frontman of VR.  This isn't the first time he's flipped out due to fans supporting Axl.  He's a poor man's Axl anyway.  He tries to sound like him, wishes he had his stage moves, and knows that the other guys in the band don't think he's as good a frontman as Axl is.

Exactly.  Some people can see right through people like Scott.

I think the reason he is like Axl is the same fuckin' reason that they picked him as a front man, Jesus, he's not tryin' to be like Axl, he is just similar which is why Slash n' Duff chose him? :rant:

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

If you were there at the concert you'd see that everyone was on Scott's side about his comments. The guy was being a dick to Scott and VR, and to the audience by trying to get a rise out of Scott, simple as that.

As for the Axl/Scott comparison, he's a rock n' roll singer playing with 3 ex-GN'R members, but he's hardly an Axl clone. And after seeing him live, I can honestly say that he's one hell of a frontman too, probably one of the best I've ever seen.

What else have they said about their time in GNR? They have all agreed that Axl made their lives a misery near the end of the old band's days, but they all still agree to the fact that they are proud to have been a part of the great legacy that once was GNR


This is entirely speculative. Without Slash, we never would have had Welcome to the Jungle, Sweet Child o' Mine, epic rockers like Coma and Locomotive, not to mention the great solos in all of Axl's soppy ballads that saved them from mediocrity. Slash is just as much a part of the legacy of GNR as Axl ever will be. He is the definitive GNR guitarist, end of story. I have yet to meet a single person outside of the online GNR community that cites Axl as their main attraction to Guns N' Roses. He just cops a load of ridicule for the utterly stupid "trilogy" videos and the cycling shorts. Not to mention causing riots thanks to not turning up for concerts, but that's another story.

You are also completely underplaying Izzy's former role as a songwriter in GNR. It is no coincidence that the old band (i.e. a form of GNR featuring more than one original member) failed to produce a single note of new, original material after Izzy left the fold. The musical history of Guns N' Roses would have been very different without Slash and Izzy there, particularly in Appetite for Destruction. Listen to the guitars on that album... the natural interplay and collaboration between the two guitarists is not something that is contrived, or replaceable by just anyone. In my opinion the guitars are what made that album what it is.

I want to hear new music from Axl, and I hope to hell he gets round to bringing out this damn record sometime, but I just don't see why people like you feel the need to completely slam the former members and write off their contribution to GNR just to support Axl.

If you hate Slash so much I hope you've thrown out all of your old GNR albums, I would hate for you to show yourself to be a hypocrite.

did scott say this in the middle of a song like Axl did in rock in rio 3? I just heard the recording to that...Axl is one hell of a asshole and he cant sing for shit no more by listening to that.

All in all, who really gives a flying fuck what anyone said!?

Scott was well within his rights, he could have ignored it, but he didnt--- ? ?WHO FUCKING CARES?

Axl signs do not have any business being at a VR show, Slash, duff ,matt ,izzy and steven signs have the right to be there at GNR shows as they made ( along with axl ) GNR what it is and was.

All in all, if axl really wanted to avoid all the shit hes in , and he could have, but he chose not to, he chose to destroy the brand name of one of the worlds BIGGEST bands, and possibly one of the greatest.
All he had to do was start his own band under a new name and problem solved!
And any of you who think axl has any rights using the name as his own are VERY disillusioned.
Its not just about a name, its about a legacy, and he has destroyed it.

Yeah, who the hell isn't going to be on Scott's side at a VR concert?  Do you actually think that the whole audience would turn against the lead singer? 

I could care less that Scott kicked that fan out.  What bothers me is Scott's comments towards Axl.  Has Axl ever done anything to piss Scott off?  I don't think so.  I think Scott is getting too wrapped up in the whole GNR thing.  Did he actually think that this kind of stuff wasn't going to happen when he first joined VR?  I actually like STP and enjoy some of VR's stuff.  However, I think Scott needs to watch what he says, because I have a feeling that Axl will indeed have the last laugh when all is done.   

axl has done a ton of rants on countless people and everyone gets a kick out of it, now scott gets pissed because of an axl rose banner at a vr concert and everyone is up in arms.. Have we not read in the past about people chanting for guns n roses tunes at vr concerts then scottt tossing his megaphone at them,.. Bringing a fucking axl roses banner to a vr swhow when people know there's a battle a bad breakup from the group it's a fucking slap in the face of the ex gunners and scott who now fronts the band.. Bringing a banner is like saying hey scott get the fuck off the stage we want axl.. That is why he said if you want that so and so you'll have to wait ten years, it was a direct attack.,.

This sin't some old gnr fan with a slash t shirt at a gnr concert who might have expected to see slash. this is someone at a vr concert trying to get under their skin..

Why would scott have to hear hair loss or being overweight from the ex gunners when it's been said in countless articles and on vh1 so many times? People shouldn't buy tickets for a vr concert and carry axl rose banners, they had an agenda and that was to be a dick and get under all their skin.. I like scott just like I like axl, they don't take shit..

In the end it's just fucking words getting carried on forever on message boards..

That's because axl has writers and gets 5 years to make comebacks, this was on the spot while pissed off.. It's like axl's warren beaty rant, it wasn't on the spot, he thought long and hard before he said that.... I think scott's statement is exactly what how many countless people have been saying for years.. I don't agree with the statement but he wouldn't have said shit if some asshole didn't bring an axl rose banner to a vr show, it's a diss to the ex gunners and saying hey fuck you scott..

Axl is amazing he is the only man I know who had thin hair in his early 20's and now in his 40's his hair is exactly the same..

the thing with discussions like these is there are essentially two views, and too many people too stubborn to have their own views changed by a logical and reasoned argument (not that i'm doing that, but other people here have put sensible views across)

in my view, i think VR look to scott as the greatest frontman in the world today, i think they tell the truth when they say that. i think anyone who thinks scott honestly tries to imitate axl...well, i think it's just weird. i ain't ever seen axl act like scott does in the slither video. what people need to remember is scott existed as a frontman before VR, he did 5 odd albums with STP and a solo album. he takes as much if not more influence from people like bowie, perry farrell and steve tyler etc than with axl. among rock fans who knew about STP, i always got the impression that, away from the drugs, scotts always been an amazing frontman and i know STPs live reputation was for being amazing (at least among rock fans i spoke to online).

i really doubt scotts comments were personally aimed at axl. its the fan that would have pissed him off, and he was just taking the piss. yeah, the dudes bipolar so in the heat of the moment he could have really really meant what he said, but at the end of the day, like people point out, axls said his fair share of shit. like at the leeds fest 02, where someone said wheres slash in the middle of patience, and axl jumped up and said "he's up my ass! thats where he is! go home fuckhead, shows over!" or something like that. it was hilarious, no it wasn't personal against anyone, but the point is its the fan being a fuckhead that pissed them both off.

and come on, does anyone really think anyone in VR looks at scott and goes - yeah, hes good, but not as good as axl. i mean, seriously. slash hasn't spoken to axl in 8 years, theres NO WAY he looks at scott and wishes for axl. scott is a massive focal point for the band, put it this way, slash has a far bigger reputation, but in alot of the reviews i've read for their live shows, the reporter comes away at least equally impressed if not more so with scott, than with slash.

yes, scott didn't handle it necessarily the best way possibly, but at the same time, like people point out. this is rock and fucking roll, and scotts still living that shit, he's not PC in the rock world and i don't think anyone wants him to be. he said what he said in the heat of the moment, its pretty funny, you can interpret it as a deeply personal insult against axl is thats how you want, but its more likely a heat of the moment thing, also with a possible self reference to himself in 10 years or possibly how long it'll take for axl to release the damn thing. axl must be well aware of how silly it looks to work on an album for 10 years, and even though i'm behind him 100%, i'm sure he can fucking handle people having a little jibe against it when they've been provoked like scott had.

agh this whole thing is stupid... stop analyizing what axl will say or why shouldnt Scott say, or why its no good to take axl banners to VR shows or Slash t-shirts to nuGNR shows, fuck it let them fight if they want... FIGHT BITCHES FIGHT!!! Its too boring anyways.. I would love to see this two cunts fight for the rights of Rock n Roll Pet!

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
 :hihi:

Scot had ever right to kick those stupid fuckers out. Hell Axl would have done the same thing if the roles were reversed. so more power to scot for having some balls and tossing some people from the show.

 :peace:

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He didn't have the right to kick them out if you ask me. ?They paid for their tickets, so they should see the show. ?If there was a notice to all concert-goers that "Axl banners" are not allowed in the place, then he had every right to kick them out. ?But it is wrong (for anyone, including Axl) to kick someone out because you don't like what they wrote on a sign. ?They paid money, they see the show, period. ?If they were screaming "Axl" loudly, that's another story. ?But there weren't. ?They just had a sign. ?And Scott is just a bitchy, little girl who can't handle anything that doesn't go the way he wants.

But the issue is not over the fans that were kicked out. ?The issue is that just because people took Axl banners into a VR show, does not give Scott the right to jump on the "call Axl fat and bald" bandwagon. ?

I can't see the pic, but I assume it's of Slash? :hihi:

Man it seems to me that they went their wanting to start some shit , why else would you make an Axl banner and take it to a VR show?People have been kicked out of show for far less stupid shit. But I can see your point though.

As far as Scotts words about  toward Axl,  well i 'm sure when Gn'r start touring again Axl will have some words about scott.

That doesn't make it ok. 

Your  it doesn't, but thats Rock N' Roll.It's just the nature of the best.

Rock n' roll is dead.  Scott is too old for this name-calling bullshit.  They're all too old for it.  If VR had such a good thing going, they wouldn't need to play the "bash Axl" card.  But all they have going for them is their former glories, so they have to milk them for all they're worth. 

And I don't consider VR to be anything but a pop-rock supergroup.  And they don't have a lot of mainstream success, if any.  So I don't think "conquering the world" worked out for them the way they wanted.

Maybe he didn't have a right to kick them out, but what fucktard goes to a VR show with an Axl sign anyway???

This seems to be the same recurring argument for 6 pages - he should've, he shouldn't have. I couldn't be bothered arguing this anymore.

It seemed alive and well to me on the two nights I saw VR in Sydney recently.

Besides, if you think rock n' roll is dead, what are you doing here on a GN'R fan website?

Well said.

Rock is very alive and very much kicking.? There's tons of great stuff out now, just because you don't hear it on "mainstream" or "top 40" radio, doesn't mean it non existent.

And without Axl there would have been nothing.   The band has proven regardless of who is playing what, it is axl's voice that is the trademark of a gnr song.  its like i said, you can't possibly have gnr without axl, but you can have gnr without $lash.  Robin Finck can play any of those songs just as good as $lash, some he plays even better!   I dont see how anyone could fill Axl's shoes.   Its fans like you who shit on axl because he loved GnR enough to continue it... you should be greatful. 

i never even mentioned izzy!  dude what post are you responding too.  I do agree with what you say about Izzy and I have nothing but respect for the guy.   

i'm not writing off anyone's contribution.  Everyone in the band has always made their contributions to the band, but I see Axl has the guy that pulls it all together and molds it into something incredible.


stop making assumptions and putting words in my mouth.  YOu are such a typical $lash cocksucking fanboy.  I have said time and time again, I have nothing but respect for what $lash did in GNR's early days.  His guitar work on the afd and illusion albums are some of the best in rock music ever.   But he's still an asshole, and he's somewhat lacking now without Axl there to give him that extra push to make something really great.   I've found just about everything he's done post-gnr to be mediocre to downright shit.   

All banners and signs should be banned from concerts and events

nothing worse than payin good money for tickets and some jackass in front of you holds up a stupid fuckin sign the whole time blocking your view.

those bastards deserve to get tossed cause they fuck up the view of everyone behind them.

It's a smart person axl's voice is the trademark, isn't that any band the lead singer's voice is what tells you who the hell is playing.. Live that isn't the only thing that counts.. It's about seeing the members you loved make the amazing music.. Yeah axl has been keeping the band alive.. If you call a coma life then you can keep it.. One song  and some bootlegs very impressive over 6 years.. Finc, he could never create what slash has done the man is a worldy resepected guitar player, I don't know a person that evcen knows who robin finck is.. He hasn't left a mark anywhere.. So far robin proved he can be a cover band.. You can see them in a lot of bars and nightclubs as well, doesn't mean shit..
finck better then slash.. :hihi: You should do stand up, might be hard though being your mouth is wrapped around axl's dick..

Anybody who thinks this kind of statements belong on this board will be really surprised if they continue posting that kind of things. I'm not gonna say what the surprise is.



/jarmo

Ans "It's So Easy" He just cant fucking sing it! He should stick to his own shit songs!

that's what happens when you listen to people covering other's songs and still think it should sound like axl..

Who cares about the banner thing...its what he said

He has writers to make his jokes and rants ??? hmm...

Thats fine, if he wants to ignite a rift between the 2 band sand its fans...keep talking hsit....and that is why what he said wanst even funny. Its been said a million times.

He could say something like why dont u go watch the old gnr videos if u ..this is vr and we play rock n roll? ...or just ignore it...

If that was the case they wouldnt have had auditions for any singer in the world. They would have went directly to him.



Its ashame Slash's guitar playing has "fell to Pieces" since his GNR days? :'(

Not that Slash's guitar playing has anything to do with this subject, but Fall To Pieces is a kickass guitar song? :)
Why d'ya think his guitar playin' has detiorated, I think he's just as good? ???

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

Once again, youre wrong. ?

Scott was at the top of their list, but unavailable due to his commitment to STP. ?He was picked immediately after STP disbanded.

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Axl+Rose&word2=Scott+Weiland

Not at all, from slither to dlt to ftp it's all good.. His guest spots are good as his other solos.. He just doesn't need to do what he did with gnr, it's not necassary..


Now when I heard axl I said Oh My God wtf happened to his writing skills and singing.. ;)

It's really strange how people can say cb sucks or slash lost it but look what axl has done since he left.. :no: it's mediocre city.

I love how discussions always deteriate into Slash and Scott Bashing vs Axl Bashing

No offense YG, but that's insane.

Slash's playing, musicianship and style is so far beyond his days in his prior band it ridiculous.

Hmm - Slash isn't a fraction of the top hatted guy who played with Guns N'Roses, there is nothing on Contraband that compares favourable, not that Slash is now ''bad'' but he was so good before.

People are so unbelievably pro-VR i wonder if they can make valid statements about an album while enjoyable isn't a marvel at all.

His new riffs/solos might not be as good as the old stuff, but thats got nothin' to do with his playin' that's because the songs he's playin' to aren't as good, because Axl and Izzy didn't help write them? :-\

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

I'm talking about the evolution of his playing in general.  He's no longer the blues based son of Joe Perry, he says more while playing less than he ever did before.

No more aimless meandering, wanking solos and the like. 

Chunky riffs complimented by stealth solos, creating a current vibe  that's remains signature Slash through and through. 

According to Booker.

Thats such a fukin cop out. And im gettin sick of hearing it. I guess tahts why Im not such a big SLash fan as I am an Axl fan. Whetehr it turns out good or not, I know Axl cares about meeting certain expectations, whereas Slash and his fans are more concerned about jamming and just getting albums out there. Which is fine I guess. To each thier own.
But I know that if Axl in this band or in his own band took that tattitude I certainly wouldnt be the kind of fan I am today.

So your justifying SLash mediocre playing by saying well atleats hes done something? Wow thats great. SO when Axl does finally release soemthing where does that leave Slashs music?
FOrget Axl. We are talking about the quality of Slashs playing since he left GNR. ANd imo its average and doesnt egt me excited like his gnr playing does.

I guess we strongly disagree.

scott is so fucking childish.
I used to love him on STP, and now I think he sucks, he looks like he's trying to prove something and it comes out fake, he should relax and be natural, the way he's been acting has ruined the enjoyment I had of the old STP albums.


as for Slash, he was incredible in GNR, prettygood in snakepit 1, good in snakepit 2  and average in VR, (and horrible with Michael Jackson.)

If you don't agree, you're in denial. :hihi:

He was actually fuckin' incredible in Gn'R, not just incredible? : ok:

I think that's just because guitar ain't as popular in music anymore, compared to the late 80's? :-\

I agree, I think he was always going in that direction anyway as he matured, the difference between Appetite and The Illusions is quite noticeble

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

Go  see VR live then tell me you think Slash is a bad guitarist.

Anyways all Axl has done since those dudes left is go quiet for a while hold a album somewhere and sadly mangle his face.

Duff.......LEGEND

Scott, he has a disorder if i hear correctly, plus im sure all those years of drugs are bound to have messed him up. But good on him for giving that shit up!!!


Matt.....shouldnt have cut his hair.

Your notorious lack of appreciation for the piano-driven epics of Guns N' Roses aside Falcon...

I'll say if I had to choose between Axl agreeing to fight Vince in a juvenile grudge match to save his ego, or going on and eclipsing him as an individual artist and a band, I'd definitely go with the latter.

Apologies if it seems like I stalk your posts Falcon.  It's just, whenever I come across you, you're usually among the few worthy of responding too.

However, once again I'll have to disagree with you here and side with younggunner.

I'll agree that Slash was "born" in Joe Perry's shadow once upon a time but he moved beyond that long ago, including during his GN'R days. 

While I still think Slash is as great a guitar player as ever, that fact is by no means shown on Contraband. 

In the end, perhaps it really isn't Slash's fault, as the writing doesnt' call for it.  But his playing on the Velvet Revolver album is far less inspired than just about any Guns material, and many of his solos go nowhere.

It was never about "eclipsing him as an individual artist and a band", just a commentary on Axl's image as "Axl Fucking Rose, Badass Rocker" being diminished.

That said, Vince and The Crue (which I'm no fan of in the least) are selling out arenas Axl and his guys didn't circa 2002...

That's a matter of opinion and I respect yours, although the "many of his solos go nowhere" comment
I find a bit odd.  I think his solo work on Contraband is blistering, most having a natural beginning, middle and subsequent end whereas UYI era Slash's playing was for the most part aimless, contrived
filler that had no organic feel whatsoever.  I realize that might have been what the material called for,
which backs my less than stellar views on the UYI's in general.  Nothing memorable in the least whereas
the solo featured in "Slither" will inspire bad air guitar-ing for years to come.

That is true.

Well, that's your opinion and your entitled to it. However, I suggest you go back and listen to the solo in "Loving the Alien" and see if you feel the same way.

I've listened to every solo of every song on that album, and I still stand by that opinion.

I wouldnt go that far when it comes to the UYIs, but I think the solos on "Sucker Train Blues," "Fall To Pieces," "You Got No Right," "Slither," "Spectacle," "Dirty Little Thing," "Set Me Free" and "Loving The Alien" eclipse roughly 75% of those on UYI I.? Additionally, I think Contraband is actually a better album than UYI.

Scott gave a thumbs up to people chanting "axl sucks" at the gig i went to. Is he saying it's only okay to mention axl if it's in a bad way?

That being said, there's no need to take along an axl banner. The fans have a right to, but only a twat would exercise that right.

Falcon, that's rediculous. Can you even hum Slither from the begining to after slash's solo at least?

Some horrid song on mechanical animals (m. manson) actually inspired me to do that more than slither ever did.


And booker, i'd like to see a list of the 75% of illusions songs that have solos worse than the songs you've mentioned..

Why yes, I can.

In the words of the dude in my avatar.? "If you can't hum it or whistle it, ain't nobody gonna remember it."


Happy Manson provoked inspired humming from you, I find he and his music brilliant.

The "rediculous" part of my post reffered to your assumption that Slither would be air-guitared/hummed for years to come. Don't assume that for most air guitarists or any other for that matter :-\

And i guess we both agree with the words of the dude in your avatar


I was a fan up until superstar, i love that album; lost interest in them ever since the follow up, though. I'm humming the song antichrist superstar right now without a hitch ;D

I was speaking of the solo within "Slither" in regards to the air guitar comment, and the song itself is still getting great airplay nearly a year after it's release.  Not bad in my estimation.

As for Manson, "Lest We Forget" (his greatest hits release) hasn't left my CD player in months...

when someone says Slash's guitar playing is uninspired or shitty on CB it makes me wonder if they've even heard the fuckin record more than once

I can name a bunch of CB songs that shit all over GNR songs musically.

sorry, youre entitled to an opinion but those 2 claims are way off the mark

Slash's soloing on November Rain, Don't damn me and Coma eclipse by a country mile his soloing on Contraband (YGNR being the best).In saying that, Contraband aint about solos, it's a more modern cohesive feel than what we got in 91

...and, i love UYI1 - i cant fathom how anyone can say 2 is better(let alone Contraband - wjich i think is solid btw)
1 is up there with Appetite and Lies for me, although I do subscribe to the theory that Illusions should not have been a double..

just my 2 cents worth...

"Right Next Door To Hell"
"Dust N' Bones"
"Dont Cry"
"Perfect Crime"
"You Aint The First"
"Bad Obsession"
"Garden Of Eden"
"Dont Damn Me"
"Bad Apples"
"Live And Let Die"

So thats closer to 60% I guess... :-X ;D 

The truth is, while I like most of these songs to varying degrees (dont care much for "Bad Apples" or "Bad Obsession"), I think the songs I named off of Contraband not only have better solos, but are better songs.  And while nothing on Contraband matches "November Rain" (perhaps Slashs finest moment), or even "Coma," I think "You Got No Right" matces of comes close to UYIs other highlights: "The Garden," "Dead Horse," Back Off Bitch."

I would take "Sucker Train Blues" over "Right Next Door..."  I would take "Dirty Little Thing" over "Garden Of Eden."  I would take "Slither" over "Bad Obsession," etc.  Of course its only opinion, but I dont see how its far-fetched at all.


You werent talking to me, but absolutely.  :yes:

Anyone else think this thread has lost it's original meaning..? ..whatever that might've been.

I do.. So..