Nov 21st release?

[andreq]

Although this may happen, most of the Black Friday store ads are posted on the internet, and none have a mention of the new record being onsale.
I understand the Guerrilla marketing thing, but I don't think the 21st is the day anymore.

[Refused]

Gah, not another one!
Can't we keep all this sort of stuff in one thread? And update the first post whenever there is a major update?

[SterileEyes]

Gah, not another one!
Can't we keep all this sort of stuff in one thread? And update the first post whenever there is a major update?

I vote in favor of someone starting this same thread every hour just because people actually get upset over it.

"It's destroying the board" "It's a pain to sift thru all these repeat posts" "Cry cry cry"

No. Just skip over what you don't feel like talking about and ignore it. Problem solved

[Lucky]

nope.
I dont think it is the real release date.
it's in 10 days.
no way is it getting released.
someone would have spilled the beans by now.

I might be wrong, but I think record store owners would have known what they are getting.
also the distributers,...

I think that stores have to order their copies in advance.
the album doesnt magically appear at their door step.

and there's the world distribution thing.
I'd expect the japan to know something we dont know.

P.S. and I hope japan gets a bonus track as they always do.
that'd be a treat

[Lesty]

as I've mentioned before, I work in Advertising for a major U.S. retailer.
I've seen the ads through November and well into December.
GnR is nowhere to be found.
This doesn't say anything about whether the CD will be released this year.
Only that they'll rely on a different promotion plan, that doesn't include print advertising in the sunday circulars.

 

[Mr.Intensity]

RECORD STORE OWNERS DO NOT HAVE TO KNOW OF THE RELEASE UNTIL THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE TUESDAY IT IS RELEASED ON!!!! ON THAT FRIDAY THEY PLACE THEIR ORDER FOR THE NEW CD'S COMING OUT THE NEXT TUESDAY.

From what I can assume, if there really is going to be a "surprise" marketing technique, the record stores won't know anything until the week before. I still think Nov.21st or the 28th... pushed back to the 28th makes the most sense in my opinion.

[LittleFly]

My belief is that Better will drop as a single on the 21st and then the album will drop on the 28th.  Just based on rumors and things we've heard recently.

[Jonx]

RECORD STORE OWNERS DO NOT HAVE TO KNOW OF THE RELEASE UNTIL THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE TUESDAY IT IS RELEASED ON!!!! ON THAT FRIDAY THEY PLACE THEIR ORDER FOR THE NEW CD'S COMING OUT THE NEXT TUESDAY.

From what I can assume, if there really is going to be a "surprise" marketing technique, the record stores won't know anything until the week before. I still think Nov.21st or the 28th... pushed back to the 28th makes the most sense in my opinion.

I was hopefull, but Universal apparantly dont even have CD, so it doesnt look very promising as of now!

Jonx

[pasnow]

I thought alot of stores actually received the CD's the Friday before.. At least, a few ppl working at Best Buy & Target here said that. Anyway, I wouldn't think they'd 'order' their CD's 2 business days before Sounds like a pretty fast turnaround time. I'd think about a week or two.

Anyway, I thought the 21st would be the date, but as we get closer I think it's alot less likely.

[Fspen]

Gah, not another one!
Can't we keep all this sort of stuff in one thread? And update the first post whenever there is a major update?

Personally, I quite like reading all the speculation about the release date.  Even if it all turns out to be wrong... it still gives me hope for the future!  And it keeps bringing me back to the boards. 

[philspectorshotme]

MERCK HAS SAID THE 21ST IS NOT THE RELEASE DATE!

GOD ALMIGHTY.

can jarmo or the mods not put it in the sticky section? jesus bloody christ.

[brock]

RECORD STORE OWNERS DO NOT HAVE TO KNOW OF THE RELEASE UNTIL THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE TUESDAY IT IS RELEASED ON!!!! ON THAT FRIDAY THEY PLACE THEIR ORDER FOR THE NEW CD'S COMING OUT THE NEXT TUESDAY.

From what I can assume, if there really is going to be a "surprise" marketing technique, the record stores won't know anything until the week before. I still think Nov.21st or the 28th... pushed back to the 28th makes the most sense in my opinion.

I was hopefull, but Universal apparantly dont even have CD, so it doesnt look very promising as of now!

Jonx

and where did you hear this?

[Mr.Intensity]

I thought alot of stores actually received the CD's the Friday before.. At least, a few ppl working at Best Buy & Target here said that. Anyway, I wouldn't think they'd 'order' their CD's 2 business days before Sounds like a pretty fast turnaround time. I'd think about a week or two.

Anyway, I thought the 21st would be the date, but as we get closer I think it's alot less likely.

Absolutely not, im friends with the music store owner where I buy all my cds from, he has to order his cd's the friday before the Tuesday it is due out.

[guns_n_motley]

I thought alot of stores actually received the CD's the Friday before.. At least, a few ppl working at Best Buy & Target here said that. Anyway, I wouldn't think they'd 'order' their CD's 2 business days before Sounds like a pretty fast turnaround time. I'd think about a week or two.

Anyway, I thought the 21st would be the date, but as we get closer I think it's alot less likely.

Absolutely not, im friends with the music store owner where I buy all my cds from, he has to order his cd's the friday before the Tuesday it is due out.

so, its possible they could announce it next friday and have it out for tuesday..

[Jonx]

RECORD STORE OWNERS DO NOT HAVE TO KNOW OF THE RELEASE UNTIL THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE TUESDAY IT IS RELEASED ON!!!! ON THAT FRIDAY THEY PLACE THEIR ORDER FOR THE NEW CD'S COMING OUT THE NEXT TUESDAY.

From what I can assume, if there really is going to be a "surprise" marketing technique, the record stores won't know anything until the week before. I still think Nov.21st or the 28th... pushed back to the 28th makes the most sense in my opinion.

I was hopefull, but Universal apparantly dont even have CD, so it doesnt look very promising as of now!

Jonx

and where did you hear this?

Soz, should have been more accurate, its rumoured that Universal dont have CD yet, the info is from Sp1at! Take it for what its worth, some people round here dont like rumours but i thought i would pass it on as i believe it to be true! Dont turn this thread into a "how reliable/Sp1at is bullshit" thread, there have been enough of those. If it were coming out on the 21st it would be on Universals release schedules, so far that hasnt happened!

Jonx

[Lucky]

RECORD STORE OWNERS DO NOT HAVE TO KNOW OF THE RELEASE UNTIL THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE TUESDAY IT IS RELEASED ON!!!! ON THAT FRIDAY THEY PLACE THEIR ORDER FOR THE NEW CD'S COMING OUT THE NEXT TUESDAY.

From what I can assume, if there really is going to be a "surprise" marketing technique, the record stores won't know anything until the week before. I still think Nov.21st or the 28th... pushed back to the 28th makes the most sense in my opinion.

not all record stores are in the us.
distributors around the world have to be in on it.
so are the publishing factories in diferent places.

they'd have to know at least a week or 2 before.
if everyobody was doing something like that, only thing record stores would ever be doing is opening unmarked boxes

[veritas55]

I have NO inside information whatsoever.
Just losing the little bit of logic that my brain can muster, in today's day and age, it would be a heroic feat if GnR could release CD on 11/21 and not have any of the cover artwork, details of the tracks, music leaks, etc.  show up by now.  Even with the greatest security ever, it is almost impossible to go through the mastering, artwork design, and manufacturing process without ANYTHING getting into the mainstream.  And if the release is 10 or so days way, they necessarily must be very far along in all those processes. 

[GNFNRAXL]

I am pretty sure it is not coming out on Nov 21st 2006.  And I am pretty sure that CD won't come out this year.  Why?  Because there is no news and no one will answer specific questions.  I PM'd Mysteron to confirm or deny the Nov 21st rumour.  No answer.  I think that they are playing with us and are waiting till the last minute to say "Sorry.  Although we promised the album this year it will not come out just yet as it is still not finished."  I hope I am wrong, but all signs point to me being right.

[The Legend]

The more and more you people post this date, the more likely they'll push it back just so none of the media sources are right.

Either way, with this date getting out so much at this point, all signs are pointing to it NOT being the day anything will happen.

[moridorr]

I really think the date is going to be Dec. 5th just have a strong feeling about it.  We get all our new releases between Wed anf Friday the week before the release dates and I check everyday to see if anytthing is in there. If I see anything I will definately  let you know

[GNFNRAXL]

I really think the date is going to be Dec. 5th just have a strong feeling about it.? We get all our new releases between Wed anf Friday the week before the release dates and I check everyday to see if anytthing is in there. If I see anything I will definately? let you know

At this point I believe that it will not be released in 2006.  Let's face it.  We would've heard something by now.  They are just playing with us.  If they announce now that it is not coming out it will hurt the tour. 

[requiem156]

I'll start by saying that I would love for the album to be released on the 21st. I'm still hoping for sometime before Christmas, although it's geting to be a longer shot.

If I really analyze the situation - with no information beyond what everyone else has- it seems probable to me that if Ron Thal is turning out to be a really good fit in the band, that there is no reason why they would not have him re-record Buckethead's parts. I mean, Buckethead isn't in the band - they are already trying to measure up to the recorded works of other musicians who were previously in the band - why prolong that? I know some people will complain about this, but in all honesty, considering the short time that Ron has been in the band, it may be too soon to judge what he really brings to the table. I've been an advocate of his from the beginning, because he is such a down to earth guy, and a monster player besides. Who knows how much delay that might cause - maybe they've already done it, as Del James alluded(although there is obvious controversy about what he meant).

[ben9785]

We just don't know what's going to happen. Everybody's thoughts and logic on this is very justified and correct but we're talking about Guns N Roses. One of the biggest comeback albums ever. Also one of the most unconventional bands, in terms of strategy, marketing etc. I'm sure they will take extra measures and every precaution to keep this as best under wraps as they possibly can. I think if we were going to get any *definite* information on release dates or schedules, whether it is an official announcement or a leak of information, it will probably be very close to the release date.

[ben9785]

I'll start by saying that I would love for the album to be released on the 21st. I'm still hoping for sometime before Christmas, although it's geting to be a longer shot.

If I really analyze the situation - with no information beyond what everyone else has- it seems probable to me that if Ron Thal is turning out to be a really good fit in the band, that there is no reason why they would not have him re-record Buckethead's parts. I mean, Buckethead isn't in the band - they are already trying to measure up to the recorded works of other musicians who were previously in the band - why prolong that? I know some people will complain about this, but in all honesty, considering the short time that Ron has been in the band, it may be too soon to judge what he really brings to the table. I've been an advocate of his from the beginning, because he is such a down to earth guy, and a monster player besides. Who knows how much delay that might cause - maybe they've already done it, as Del James alluded(although there is obvious controversy about what he meant).

Definitely I agree with your comments about Bumblefoot, very dwn to earth, amazing, very monster player. If it's a case of him having re-recorded solos, remember Bumblefoot is a university lecturer in music production; he's a professional at that stuff. There's absolutely no reason why this guy could not have been sent an email or a cd of songs during rehersals of the tour, or off time, or days off, and even if this goes back a few weeks now prior to the start of this tour, i can't imagine it having dragged on for very long.

[guns_n_motley]

I have NO inside information whatsoever.
Just losing the little bit of logic that my brain can muster, in today's day and age, it would be a heroic feat if GnR could release CD on 11/21 and not have any of the cover artwork, details of the tracks, music leaks, etc.? show up by now.? Even with the greatest security ever, it is almost impossible to go through the mastering, artwork design, and manufacturing process without ANYTHING getting into the mainstream.? And if the release is 10 or so days way, they necessarily must be very far along in all those processes.?

it HAS been mastered by andy wallace, that has leaked.. we just cant talk about it..

[SterileEyes]

I have NO inside information whatsoever.
Just losing the little bit of logic that my brain can muster, in today's day and age, it would be a heroic feat if GnR could release CD on 11/21 and not have any of the cover artwork, details of the tracks, music leaks, etc.? show up by now.? Even with the greatest security ever, it is almost impossible to go through the mastering, artwork design, and manufacturing process without ANYTHING getting into the mainstream.? And if the release is 10 or so days way, they necessarily must be very far along in all those processes.?

it HAS been mastered by andy wallace, that has leaked.. we just cant talk about it..

Mixed by Andy Wallace, not mastered.

[EFISH]

I am pretty sure it is not coming out on Nov 21st 2006.  And I am pretty sure that CD won't come out this year.  Why?  Because there is no news and no one will answer specific questions.  I PM'd Mysteron to confirm or deny the Nov 21st rumour.  No answer.  I think that they are playing with us and are waiting till the last minute to say "Sorry.  Although we promised the album this year it will not come out just yet as it is still not finished."  I hope I am wrong, but all signs point to me being right.

What, you expect him to say, "Yes, its coming out that day. But shh!"
 

[Refused]

I just dug this up:

On Sept. 16,2004, Dizzy told a reporter at Richmond.com that the date had been pushed back to February 2005.
Here's the excerpt:

"Actually, 'Chinese Democracy' is very close to coming out. I've heard a few of the tracks and it sounds amazing. There are a few more things to do then it'll be ready. They were originally shooting for November, but it may be February now. It's gonna be great."

Just thought it was rather relevant. November 2004, eh?

[guns_n_motley]

I just dug this up:

On Sept. 16,2004, Dizzy told a reporter at Richmond.com that the date had been pushed back to February 2005.
Here's the excerpt:

"Actually, 'Chinese Democracy' is very close to coming out. I've heard a few of the tracks and it sounds amazing. There are a few more things to do then it'll be ready. They were originally shooting for November, but it may be February now. It's gonna be great."

Just thought it was rather relevant. November 2004, eh?

Right, and buckethead leaving screwed it up... so they waited until 2006 to make a comeback

[Refused]

I just dug this up:

On Sept. 16,2004, Dizzy told a reporter at Richmond.com that the date had been pushed back to February 2005.
Here's the excerpt:

"Actually, 'Chinese Democracy' is very close to coming out. I've heard a few of the tracks and it sounds amazing. There are a few more things to do then it'll be ready. They were originally shooting for November, but it may be February now. It's gonna be great."

Just thought it was rather relevant. November 2004, eh?

Right, and buckethead leaving screwed it up... so they waited until 2006 to make a comeback

It just amused me how they were planning for a Nov 2004 release, and now we are here in 2006 speculating on whether or not it'll be out this month.
The more I think about this damn album, the more my head hurts. There are not many bands that could get away with taking so long to release an album, without being colpletely forgotten about. Just testament to how relevant GnR still are I guess.

[The Legend]

I just dug this up:

On Sept. 16,2004, Dizzy told a reporter at Richmond.com that the date had been pushed back to February 2005.
Here's the excerpt:

"Actually, 'Chinese Democracy' is very close to coming out. I've heard a few of the tracks and it sounds amazing. There are a few more things to do then it'll be ready. They were originally shooting for November, but it may be February now. It's gonna be great."

Just thought it was rather relevant. November 2004, eh?

Dizzy's not Axl Rose.

If I remember correctly, Dizzy made countless guesses as to when it was going to be released, as did Richard & Tommy also. They simply said that to keep people interested.

This is the only time Axl has come out and said '2006'. This is the closest we've ever been. None of the bullshit dates that came before even count, because we were never close then. This is the closest we've ever been. Even in 2002 when they were touring, Axl said it wasn't coming anytime soon. People ASSUMED it was coming because they were touring.

[1badapple]

If nothing happens by the 21st, i'll have pretty much lost hope for an 06 release.

[veritas55]

Mixed by Andy Wallace, not mastered.

right - but is there any solid confirmation that he has finished that process, much less that mastering has begun.

[polluxlm]

Mixed by Andy Wallace, not mastered.

right - but is there any solid confirmation that he has finished that process, much less that mastering has begun.

Not unless you go to his house and put a gun to his head.

[guns_n_motley]

Mixed by Andy Wallace, not mastered.

right - but is there any solid confirmation that he has finished that process, much less that mastering has begun.

why would they put better in a commercial if it wasnt mastered??

[Axl4Prez2004]

December 5, 2002 was a memorable night for folks in New York City...a release date 4 years later to the day...hmmm, interesting.  All speculation is crazy...nobody knows.  Just relax everybody, it's coming this year.    

[JB9988]

or it could be what they want, have all the fans talk about it being out on the 21st and then 3 or 4 days b4 its out an announcement that cd or a single is coming out the 21st.

[polluxlm]

I just dug this up:

On Sept. 16,2004, Dizzy told a reporter at Richmond.com that the date had been pushed back to February 2005.
Here's the excerpt:

"Actually, 'Chinese Democracy' is very close to coming out. I've heard a few of the tracks and it sounds amazing. There are a few more things to do then it'll be ready. They were originally shooting for November, but it may be February now. It's gonna be great."

Just thought it was rather relevant. November 2004, eh?

Dizzy's not Axl Rose.

If I remember correctly, Dizzy made countless guesses as to when it was going to be released, as did Richard & Tommy also. They simply said that to keep people interested.

This is the only time Axl has come out and said '2006'. This is the closest we've ever been. None of the bullshit dates that came before even count, because we were never close then. This is the closest we've ever been. Even in 2002 when they were touring, Axl said it wasn't coming anytime soon. People ASSUMED it was coming because they were touring.

He did actually say on a radio interview that it would be out within the year.

[bigbri]

I just dug this up:

On Sept. 16,2004, Dizzy told a reporter at Richmond.com that the date had been pushed back to February 2005.
Here's the excerpt:

"Actually, 'Chinese Democracy' is very close to coming out. I've heard a few of the tracks and it sounds amazing. There are a few more things to do then it'll be ready. They were originally shooting for November, but it may be February now. It's gonna be great."

Just thought it was rather relevant. November 2004, eh?

Right, and buckethead leaving screwed it up... so they waited until 2006 to make a comeback

Bucket left in 2002. That wouldn't have screwed up 2004's release. That's two fucking years. Most bands can make an entire album in two years. GNR just didn't to polish it up. If they needed Bucket to finish the CD, how is it finished now? They never hired a third guitarist except to tour.

[polluxlm]

I just dug this up:

On Sept. 16,2004, Dizzy told a reporter at Richmond.com that the date had been pushed back to February 2005.
Here's the excerpt:

"Actually, 'Chinese Democracy' is very close to coming out. I've heard a few of the tracks and it sounds amazing. There are a few more things to do then it'll be ready. They were originally shooting for November, but it may be February now. It's gonna be great."

Just thought it was rather relevant. November 2004, eh?

Right, and buckethead leaving screwed it up... so they waited until 2006 to make a comeback

Bucket left in 2002. That wouldn't have screwed up 2004's release. That's two fucking years. Most bands can make an entire album in two years. GNR just didn't to polish it up. If they needed Bucket to finish the CD, how is it finished now? They never hired a third guitarist except to tour.

He left in 2004, if you believe the press release Axl wrote. The problem isn't lacking the right players, but for Axl to finally make up his mind and say ok, this is good enough, let's put the motherfucker out there

[bigbri]

I just dug this up:

On Sept. 16,2004, Dizzy told a reporter at Richmond.com that the date had been pushed back to February 2005.
Here's the excerpt:

"Actually, 'Chinese Democracy' is very close to coming out. I've heard a few of the tracks and it sounds amazing. There are a few more things to do then it'll be ready. They were originally shooting for November, but it may be February now. It's gonna be great."

Just thought it was rather relevant. November 2004, eh?

Right, and buckethead leaving screwed it up... so they waited until 2006 to make a comeback

Bucket left in 2002. That wouldn't have screwed up 2004's release. That's two fucking years. Most bands can make an entire album in two years. GNR just didn't to polish it up. If they needed Bucket to finish the CD, how is it finished now? They never hired a third guitarist except to tour.

He left in 2004, if you believe the press release Axl wrote. The problem isn't lacking the right players, but for Axl to finally make up his mind and say ok, this is good enough, let's put the motherfucker out there

Right. I stand corrected. My point remains. If he needed Bucket to finish the CD, then it couldn't be done now, because they didn't bring in a guitarist after he left.

[Saul]

He left in 2004, if you believe the press release Axl wrote. The problem isn't lacking the right players, but for Axl to finally make up his mind and say ok, this is good enough, let's put the motherfucker out there

Buckethead probably , in his own existence , left the night Philly was cancelled.

[polluxlm]

He left in 2004, if you believe the press release Axl wrote. The problem isn't lacking the right players, but for Axl to finally make up his mind and say ok, this is good enough, let's put the motherfucker out there

Buckethead probably , in his own existence , left the night Philly was cancelled.

That I can agree with. He seems like a guy who likes things to go smooth and low key. After all, he wears a mask

[Saul]

After all, he wears a mask

Dont we all? 

[polluxlm]

After all, he wears a mask

Dont we all??

We sure do

[Saul]

After all, he wears a mask

Dont we all? 

We sure do

do your friends refer to you as polluxlm? 

[The Legend]

I just dug this up:

On Sept. 16,2004, Dizzy told a reporter at Richmond.com that the date had been pushed back to February 2005.
Here's the excerpt:

"Actually, 'Chinese Democracy' is very close to coming out. I've heard a few of the tracks and it sounds amazing. There are a few more things to do then it'll be ready. They were originally shooting for November, but it may be February now. It's gonna be great."

Just thought it was rather relevant. November 2004, eh?

Dizzy's not Axl Rose.

If I remember correctly, Dizzy made countless guesses as to when it was going to be released, as did Richard & Tommy also. They simply said that to keep people interested.

This is the only time Axl has come out and said '2006'. This is the closest we've ever been. None of the bullshit dates that came before even count, because we were never close then. This is the closest we've ever been. Even in 2002 when they were touring, Axl said it wasn't coming anytime soon. People ASSUMED it was coming because they were touring.

He did actually say on a radio interview that it would be out within the year.

What year? If he said it'd be out within the year on any other year than 2006, I never saw or heard it.

[polluxlm]

2002. I heard it myself, so it happened.

[novemberparadise23]

honestly there has been so many release rumors that eventully someone would have to have guessed right , well hopefully

[The Legend]

2002. I heard it myself, so it happened.

Oh well... I know I feel better.?  

[supaplex]

i'd love to see cd released on the 21st of nov. without any promotion so i can see all the people doubting that they can do it without promotion swallow their words. just for the fun of it.
everybody is saying they know this and that can't be done because there's no time. why wouldn't it be possible? i, personally, expect to see an anouncement only a week before the release. the only thing i want is the possibility to pre-order the cd so i can have it at home on the day of the release, no matter how much the postal taxes mean. i can wait 2 months. it's been a lot of years and my life doesn't revolve around cd.

[GNRreunioneventually]

if CHINESE DEMOCRACY dosen't come out on the 21st of NOV. then i owe Deadskin mask over at Blabbermouth 10$ (canadian) and then i'll probible cry then i'll go buy a ipod so i can get as many of the leaked tracks as posible then cry some more and then finally wait for a new release date to be mentioned by Axl or one of his spokes men

long story short i'll be miserable for a while

[CheapJon]

if CHINESE DEMOCRACY dosen't come out on the 21st of NOV. then i owe Deadskin mask over at Blabbermouth 10$ (canadian) and then i'll probible cry then i'll go buy a ipod so i can get as many of the leaked tracks as posible then cry some more and then finally wait for a new release date to be mentioned by Axl or one of his spokes men

long story short i'll be miserable for a while

new release date? when did axl or any gn'r spokesman ever say that nov 21 was a official date,

[The Legend]

if CHINESE DEMOCRACY dosen't come out on the 21st of NOV. then i owe Deadskin mask over at Blabbermouth 10$ (canadian) and then i'll probible cry then i'll go buy a ipod so i can get as many of the leaked tracks as posible then cry some more and then finally wait for a new release date to be mentioned by Axl or one of his spokes men

long story short i'll be miserable for a while

new release date? when did axl or any gn'r spokesman ever say that nov 21 was a official date,

They never did. That's the point.

All of this rumor. Always has been. That was a rumor date that was started by RS.

All Axl has ever said is, '2006'. That's it.