Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Funny how our "friend" sells GNR videos on ebay-
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=velvet1223&item=-1&frm=2624

Yeah, thats funny isn't. WHO CARES?

I do- I wouldn't want anyone sending material to you that might end up for sale  ::)

you deal with Cromwell, Nuff said. ::)

I have talked to him a few times on AIM- never sent him stuff so he can sell it though! Just wanted to point out what this guys real agenda was- to get some rare stuff and sell that and the rehearsals on ebay.

no he doesn't.we have never traded or anything. come on dude,don't start with me without getting your facts straight!!! he got something from me from somebody else.that was thier choice.shit i have probaly gotten something from you from somebody else.it's a small world afterall...and most important,he really doesn't bash sellers so he would be a hypocrite anyway.but i think you have bashed sellers right? anyway,scott can do as he wishes but please don't bash sellers and turn around and deal with them,it makes you look like a real asshole hypocrite,correct me if i'm wrong please.

Listen Boys,
Yeah, I dealt with Cromwell way back when I didn't have but 5 GNR dvds that I bought off of ebay. Then I had no idea how things worked.  Ya know, I just had this really cool show and I wondered what other shows I could get with it.  I had no idea that he would sell the CBGBs all over the place. 

As for the comment about me getting rare stuff and trading it...
I have had the rehersals and other stuff that may never see the light of day for about 9 months now, and this is the first time I am talking about trading it.  Now as for ebay goes, the only stuff that i have ever sold on ebay are the dvds that I bought off of ebay (common stuff, and I only have like 4-5 up at a time (Ritz, VR NY, etc...).  Now I have never sold anything rare on ebay.  In fact, someone today offered me 100 shows + $400 for the rehersals and I turned him down because I knew that he would sell it all over the place.   
Now you can bash me all you want, I really don't care.  I love Guns N ROses, they are my favorite band of all time; however, they don't run my life.  Now if you don't want to deal with me then thats fine. It REALLY does not matter to me. But, keep in mind, that was me that released the CBGBs to you, maybe not intentionaly, however, it was me.  Also I have much more that you probably didn't know that existed and  I am sure you would LOVE to get your hand on. 
Like I said before, this trading business does not run my life; therefore, it doesn't matter to me if all my stuff stays under wrap.  But, what I don't care for is the false comments about me. 
Again, I am down to trade; however, only for something of equal value.
thanks

Selfish.

okay

  why wouldnt you share this for all gnr fans to enjoy? are you taunting us because you have it no one else does? what gives? its no loss to you if you do share only a gain for the fans that enjoy guns.


ps- what are CBGBs?

Hes looking for a trade for it fair enough, once he ets vegas hopefully he will then trade it all out with everyone else. Thats how this stuff works!

Yeah, but he knows no one here has Vegas.

So why not just go right to the source?
Why come here and tease everyone by saying that he has all this rare shit but won't share?

Well the thing is certain people DO have Vegas. But its going to take something RARE to get it away from them..

There's only so much rare stuff out there.

I mean what do they want? The keys to Axl's Ferrari?

They are selfish.

Why can't all the fans have equal access?

Thats the way some people are man. Some people like Will, Jarl etc would share everything they got, then some people just likes to hoard. It makes them feel better about themselves.  :-\

Shit.
Some people could be real heros while we sit here waiting for this CD train to arrive.

Don't get me wrong. There has been some great shit released by the fans already, but...

I know man, I want that VMA rehearsals and Vegas. If I had that i could wait another 10 years for the album..

sorry dude,i didn't sell it all over the place.now i traded it sure but you know why i did what i did.please do not spread lies and rumors.there are a few people here who know the truth on what happened so give up with the lies!!!

and for those who don't know,scott was told by john not to send me the cbgb's.so,scott didn't send for almost 2 months.then he wouldn't even talk to me.at that point in time i hid it like he asked but after me screwed so bad i did what i wanted to do with it.so you be the judge. scott is cool but he was betrayed by the dark side of the gn'r world and now he is a john ass kisser.so,we get what we have here today,which is the way we didn't want.

i have no idea of the fasination with john,he has never been cool to any of us.re-re-re-releasing a version of oklahoma is just throwing a bone to keep everybody quiet i guess but let the truth be told,he has alot of great stuff and it will never see the light of day.you call yourself a fan of the band but you keep everything to yourself,that's no fan.fans want to be surounded by others who like the same stuff and talk about the cool stuff and get along in the community,not be on the outside looking in  and trying to make this like the mafia or something.it's become like us against them or something which is a real shame.

and futhermore,i love your quote

"But, keep in mind, that was me that released the CBGBs to you, maybe not intentionaly, however, it was me. "


you didn't release it nor did you want it out there.you wanted it hoarded due to john's command.i released it if you want to call it that.i was the one who sent it to a dude to torrent it.you get credit for getting it out of the vault but your intentions were not fan friendly.by the way,the trade was a 13 show for the cbgb's.and i was told to keep it to myself.now,in the real world when a trade is made then you own what you trade for to do as you wish.your list shows all the shows that i traded you and i was not supposed yo do the same?again,you guys be the judge on who got screwed here.

i didin't want any phrase or anything like that,i just decided that it would be cool for people to see the stuff john has once in a while since john isn't cool enough to be a real fan and share the wealth.i never did anything to john so i have no idea why he is the way he is towards me.the only thing i can think of is that i didn't listen to him and stop selling.that is it!!! and he deals with sellers so he has no real reason in my book.love me or hate the truth will be told.amen.

I see your point, Paul. ?Yes, you are right...I didn't send the dvd to you for almost 2 months. ?And yes, I did that becase after we made the deal I was informed that if the show was sent to you it would DEFINIETLY be released to everyone. At that time, I was told that this was the show to get Vegas with. ?Therefore, I am sorry if it seems like I am telling lies about you. ?I am getting alot of stories from two different sides, ya know.
By the way, i am not a John Ass Kisser. ?I don't kiss any one's ass; especially, to get fuckin GNR dvds. ?I thought John was a cool guy personally, which he is...thats it. ? Although, John is mad at me for finding out that I sold some stuff (general stuff) on ebay. ?I am like you Paul, very business like. ?I am always thinking of different ways to play the game...whether its real estate, casting actors for movies, making documentury movies, or having fun with seeing what I can get for the VMA's. ?Its all a game to me, ya know....not real life.

Listen, guys, I am down with everyone getting that VMA; however, I want that Vegas first.  I am meaning to taunt you with it..."wave it in front of your face".  I just want whoever that has the Vegas show to stand up and raise their hand.  I know that some of you have some connections.  Work it guys...make things happen...network...work those connections.  Instead of sitting in this little forum, get out there and find the Vegas show!  Make the trade happen and then both of them will be out to you.  MAKE IT HAPPEN, GUYS!

Next on the market:  88 Ritz Rehersals,  89 Scrap Bar

Oops, I mean't in that second sentence that I am NOT meaning to taunt you guys with it.  WOw sure came out wrong. Sorry

Getting vegas is a really really hard thing to do. Some of us have been trying to get it for months.....

thank you for that response.much respect.

Yeah,
But now you have someone that is willing to give up something just as rare.

Man you dont know what these hoarders are like. Your definately not gonna get it like this. Your totally going about it the wrong way man. Unfortunately they now know you would trade it out after you gets it so now they wont trade at all...

Well, you all now know the situation by now. So...if you can work out the deal to get it, then you will have a copy of both.  As for what you do with it then I don't really care.

Oh and by the way, I might be pitching an idea for a documentury about either GNR or concert trading in general.  The way I would pitch it would be kind of like a Chris Guest movie (Waiting for Guffman, Best in Show)....a comedy told by the real traders...kind of like a mocumentury.  Would anyone be interested in participating?  I have no idea if it will happen; however, if the right people like the idea you could see yourself on the big screen. 

shit,iwould be a star!!!  everybody knows me...

haha! I hardly ever participate in these discussions, but I remember saying once (in one of those 1000 'normal' threads that turned into the usual hoarders/sellers-discussion):

"This is turning into an episode of the Bold & The Beautiful: all the drama... :-P"

and now people are actually saying they have plans to make such a doc. So.... I really think "it was me that released the idea to you, maybe not intentionaly, however, it was me. "  :hihi:

anyway, just fuckin' kidding...

and velvet1223 (or scott, it is?),  what's on the Vault's dvds pt. 1-3?  :)

remco

Thank you for those explanations, but we don't need two different threads.

- merged -

velvet, if you really want Vegas, there's one sure thing: you WON'T find it here. Believe it or not, but nobody here has it. No one in the States or in Europe has it.

The best way for you to get it is to hit the Japanese trading market/ circles, which is VERY hard to get in. Why? Because there is NO personnally authored version done by some random authorer, the only existing version is from Universal Music Japan's vaults (or warehouse). The only chance for us to get it is that some guy working at the warehouse or at UMJ would grab a copy or make a DVDR out of it and release it to the Japanese trading circles, and even that is not a sure thing. No one has ever seen that DVD, no screenshots, no clips, nothing. Even if that would seem absurd to us, maybe all copies have been destroyed or stored somewhere no one can have access to after the release got cancelled.

If someone has any info (ie fact) showing the contrary, I would be very interested to see it. I personnaly don't believe urban legends saying it's already out there. Seriously, your best bet is Japan.

fair enough.

Here's what I'd trade Vegas for (if I had it):

- Chinese Democracy Studio Tracks
- The Perfect Crime

Now go figure...

As interesting as the VMA rehearsal footage would be, I really don't believe that someone who could have Vegas would see that as a "equal" trade/match. Vegas 01-01-01 marks the beginning of the 'new'-Guns era and is a pro-shot, pro-authored, ready-to-go release full concert... it's kinda regarded as the holy-grail amongst fans of GN'R gig bootlegs. Using the VMA rehearsal as a way to bring Vegas to the light probably won't do unfortunately. It's gonna take something like CD studio tracks or another completely unreleased pro-shot, full quality concert to make that happen.

Without trying to sound "desperate", I believe the best course of action Velvet is to give the VMA rehearsal DVD to someone to upload and share to the community. You'll be hugely respected and probably become a hero... and let's face it, some good karma is needed amongst us. It might seem like a 'big' thing to just give away, but sometimes it's good to do something selfless and worthwhile for the whole. I for one would greatly thank you anyway.

Well, I am saving my selfless act to stop world hunger.  I have other stuff that would go with the VMA's to get Vegas.

I'm not sure you've read my post above. No one is even sure Vegas is available at all, outside Universal Japan's boxes. Like I said, I don't think you will find your contacts to get it - if it's out there - on this board or any other "known" board, you will have to check in Japan.

I never really understood the big exitement about the Vegas show, sure its the first "new gnr" show and yes its one of the few "recent" shows where we wouldnt have to cringe to Axl's braids but I would think a show like Inglewood 91 or a complete un-edited A++ Buenos Aires 1993 would be 10000000 times better.

And to the dude with the rehearsals from mtv 2002, I dont really think you'll get anything worthwile for that. Share it  :D

Well, there's a certain 'mystery' over Axl in the past few years since he re-emerged so to speak. Yes, perhaps the shows you mentioned are better, but for me Vegas would be very fufilling.

well i don`t know what you are thinking about this show, but to me it`s definitely one of the best gnr shows ever. sure it has something to tdo with the mystery, too, but that`s not the main point to me.

Having been to all 3 Vegas comback shows, I would way rather have the first night at the Hard Rock over the HOB show.  I thought Axl was going to kill someone over some of the "technical diffuclties" they were having.  And yes kids, the Vegas HOB show does exist, I believe some people have even traded a snippet of November Rain just to prove it exists......Will is right though, you will have much better luck talking to our Japaneese friends.

GNR management don't want vegas to be out.
we're not talking about some concert in 87 or something.
GNR might not care about old shows, but they do care about the post-2001 stuff.

so trying to release / share / trade vegas 01 wouldnt be a nice move from a GNR fan.

so velvet1223, you release the rehearsal if you want, and just be nice. but don't try to get vegas if you're a real gnr fan :) axl might no be pleased ;)

Maybe the stupidest thing I've read in a while.............
Don't look for Vegas because it might upset Axl???
Who really cares, what's it going to do? slaow down the release of CD...

IF Vegas exists, just remember, it's not a bootleg (which is a grey area, legally).? It's a copyrighted, pro-shot, almost released DVD.? Trafficing in such is NOT a grey area, legally.

Just wanted to point that out to both the participants in the discussion (who are providing evidence of collusion to distribute and traffic in copyrighted material with the posts on this board) and the mods, who generally don't allow discussion of trading copyrighted material.

:)

I'm definitely not trying to be a "buzzkill", but I'd hate to see anyone say something here that could get them into hot water.

Yeah, this isn't your ordinary audience shot bootleg DVD.


It wasn't stolen from the band (like Oklahoma, Chicago and the soundboards from 2002).

So you're basically looking for something the record company was gonna put out, but decided not to. You're not looking for a taper, you're looking for somebody who might have access to get it from the record company.

I don't think it's hard to figure out what would happen to the person who steals the DVD and puts it out as a bootleg.




/jarmo

are you joking?  have you heard the vegas show?  its one of the best GNR shows EVER.   We have plenty of footage from the old band, i want to see some new shit.

Yeah guys, that's basically what I've been saying since the beginning.

1- It is NOT out there, NO ONE has it, especially in American and European trading circles - don't listen to urban legends.
2- The ONLY way to get it is to know someone who has access to Universal Japan's vaults and would want to release to the GN'R bootleg community, which is almost impossible.
3- This is an almost released pro-shot and nothing comes even close in trading value, 10 rehearsal DVDs won't be enough. Unless a japanese bootleg company releases it, we won't see it, period.

Unless you get in some dark japanese trading circle that only trades for such rarities, there's no way it will get into GN'R fans hands.

Bessam, the management does not want ANY GN'R show to come out, period. Come on, Geffen had to fuckin force the band to release Tokyo (which is crap, compared to the rest of the Illusion tour - hello, L.A Forum and MSG shows!). Without Geffen, there would be no GN'R concert DVDs today.

As for Vegas, unless the band decides to release it, you can tell good bye to that DVD. Unless we are extremely lucky, a leak happens and a japanese bootleg company manages to release it - even though Universal Japan would hunt them down and sue their ass. Again, I'd be more than happy to see someone is getting close to getting it, but unless we see screenshots or clips, to me it's not happening. Just my 2 cents.

i have this but i doubt it is what all the commotion is about. In fact most of you have probably seen it. anyway for those who haven't.

http://s43.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=34QU89TMJ5H933ABLO6ZKLGL3V

How would you know all that?

He was at a brunch with Merck last week, sipping mimosas in a Paris Rive Gauche cafe.

Neemo,
   I think what velvet probably has is the raw MTV footage that was used to cull that spot together....at least, that's what I suspect.   Because, as you say, the spot from the MTV VMA Preview Weekend from '03 (and '04 and probably ''05) isn't all that rare.

   I've SEEN the raw footage of the rehersals, but don't actually have a copy of it, so I know it exists.  Wouldn't have been hard for an MTV intern or staffer to get it "out there" at all.

That's what i figured pilferk : ok: but i thought i'd upload it anyway for those who haven't seen it.  Just upload it Velvet, what's the big deal?

Wasn't RIR3 also officially filmed and scheduled for a release and then got pulled?
This piece is for sale on ebay.

Regardless of whether it was planned for release by the GNR management or not, reselling professionally filmed footage without the broadcasters permission is bad enough on its own.

Home made videos are ok I suppose.

I don't get the point here. Some guy here has access to 'secret' GNR footage and doesn't want to share it with everyone. Instead he'd rather sell it and make a quick buck off it. As well as, he's after the Vegas New Years Eve show, which he reckons could pull in big cash on ebay. Isn't this illegal? Why is he allowed to promote him/herself here on this forum?

Am I right, or did I misunderstand the thread? Apologies if I jumped to conclusions and offended anyone.

No, Rio was never scheduled for release. Only Vegas was.

Velvet don't want to make big bucks with the Rehearsals or Vegas, he basically just wants to trade Rehearsals for Vegas, which is not going to happen - because no one has Vegas, you can't trade something you don't have. It's like asking for the Madison Square Garden 91 pro-shot, or whatever other unsurfaced pro shot in Axl's vault. Sure, it's in some vault, but no one's getting it.

nevermind!!!! delete this post please!

Yeah, I've heard that aswell CB.

shhhh the gypsies will get you for that!

azhahahah
no i just heard things .... ;)

i mean come on. it's not hard to understand. we all knew vegas was supposed to be released.
and maybe GNR wants to release it after all. i don't know.
but one thing sure is that it is not a fan bootleg that we can share and trade freely. this is serious copyrighted stuff.

so i don't know ... :(

http://community.webshots.com/album/421916950RnukSD

These were posted somewhere else...but I have a question:  Is the dude with the big white guitar buckethead? 

where are the pics with axl throwing roses from? is it a full concert?

Not ALL the pics on that page are from the rehersals.  Some are from other MTV rarities.  The "Axl throwing roses" pic is from, I think, a 92-93 era show...not sure which one, exactly.

I pic of Axl throwing roses is from Houston, TX 92, Met/Guns tour. 

If you have the complete pro shot of that show, that could be a good trading bait for Vegas - if it ever comes out in trading circles.

No, I don't have the complete show of Houston.  All I have from that show is a few songs, paradise city, and the end of the show. However, it is kind of cool because it is a pro shot, but yet its raw footage.  Hints: its on the raw footage dvds that I have

do you also have something from miami 92 since mtv filmed that show but only aired 3 vids?
or is it available in the vaults?

I would have to look for that Miami show.  If MTV filmed it I am sure its somewhere either in the L.A. or NY vault.

Do you know how much of Tacoma '02 was filmed too?

I?m pretty sure they filmed the whole show, since they use scenes spread from the beginning to the end of the show in the documentary. what they have in the vaults is another question....

rules were made to be broken.


right might!!!

good .....   john is one person who shared probalby over half of what people have in their collection. If not for john,  I wouldn't be able to release the best recordings from the last tour in the same quality. & it wouldn't have happened if not for John....   that is the down low scenario

-BP

LMAO- yea if people never leaked them nobody would have them- shared LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey, how bout you share the rest of those soundboards from the 2002 tour you have?

Don't ask about the rest of the soundboards. They only share what they think we can handle.
Don't you know that we don't deserve ALL the available media?
These guys work hard at sharing only what THEY think we should hear/see.

Thanks fellas. It's not hard enough being a GN'R fan these days.

Maybe  GNR  can release the show as a bonus DVD when CD comes out.  For this long of a wait I think it would be  nice treat for us fans

Thats coz they are full of shit.. they dont have any other 2002 soundboards.. 

btw guys what would anyone trade me for video from the Tokyo and Osaka shows??? 

bet me....

How can one be "full of shit" if one doesn't go around posting to have more soundboards? :D


I didn't vote for Bush

-BP

go away bp,john didn't do jack.i got all the 2002's from the filmers my damn self and put them out there.out of all the shows known to exsit here are the ones john put out there:

03.21.1986 Fender's Ballroom - Long Beach, CA, USA
05.09.1988 Felt Forum - New York, NY, USA
08.07.1988 Orange County Fairgrounds - Middletown, NY, USA
04.06.1992 Myriad Arena - Oklahoma City, OK, USA
06.06.1992 Hippodrome de Vincennes - Paris, France
03.06.1993 New Haven Coliseum - New Haven, CT, USA
08.23.2002 Temple Newsam Park - Leeds, England.htm
08.24.2002 Pukkelpop Field - Hasselt-Kiewit, Belgium
08.24.2002 Pukkelpop Field - Hasselt-Kiewit, Belgium(2)
08.26.2002 London Docklands Arena - London, England
11.21.2002 The Palace Of Auburn Hills - Auburn Hills, MI, USA
12.02.2002 Fleet Center - Boston, MA, USA (center)
12.02.2002 Fleet Center - Boston, MA, USA (screen)
12.02.2002 Fleet Center - Boston, MA, USA (3 cam mix)
12.05.2002 Madison Square Garden - New York, NY, USA

i wouldn't go on record and say half a collection dude.remember like 2 years ago you claimed to have all the soundboards and that toronto was going to released next or something?what happened?john tell you not to put them out?and of course you listened!!!

john has never released one uncirculated show.except maybe leeds,he musta got laid that day.he is the black hole of the gn'r trading world,it goes in,and well...it's gone!!! bp,please stop kissing his ass,your lips are turning brown.

yea man I'm working on things.....? I'm waiting on people that john has nothing to do with. & bringing his name up is irrelevant in the releasing context. I did mention CA in 2002 out of excitement .... & I spoke too soon because I didn't have anything. I believe that was in The Hub (I believe) & surprised anybody remembers.  :)

but yea... I'll "go away" now? ?::)

BP

Most people (Non-ass kissers & non-newbies) know you have 90% of the soundboards out there and god knows what else... I don't get the point of hiding em? Does it make you feel like more of a man? Do you jerk off to them knowing only a handful of people have them if that much? Pathetic...

If you are a 'non-newbie', then you know I rarely reply to crap. I was looking for some good convo instead of the hate.


Cute. Very original.

-BP

ok,any idea how to get vegas so we can get all this stuff from scott?

velvet, i can understand you want to share it before giving it to the guns community.

like people said before, forget the vegas show, it'll not happen. if 5 or 6 people in the
japanese record company circle owns it, they'll never share it, too dangerous.
i'm sure no one have it in any bootleg circle, even in japan.

so, share it with what you can have, and after that, feel free to share it with all of us.

now, maybe you can at least do a 5-10 minutes divx for us, just to wait ;)

Can someone hook me up with these MTV Vault DVDs? I don't have a DVD burner, and I'd love to have some of this stuff! PM me please!

-Jeff

Sure dude.

Just give me your address and I'll send them along with the Vegas 2001 proshot. Which dvd brand do you prefer?

No need for sarcasm dude, I saw the screenshot of the MTV Vault one and simply asked if someone could hook me up. That's all.

-Jeff

^nobody has it yet...

he has been offered many many things for it but he will not go with anything less than the Vegas DVD

btw, i offered him unsurfaced interviews, plus any GNR audio show he wanted, as i have all of them to offer. he wasnt interested in the trade. Funny cuz the interviews i offered are owned by only 10 people in the world, and i personally know 8 of them...

Just listen to yourself- an elite group of people hoarding unseen interviews- Wow this trading community gets sadder by the postings...

Why trade them dude and be 11 in the world that have these interviews? Keep them to yourselves. They're cooler this way...  ::)

well fuck it im not going to trade out my master copy of appetite for destruction now as no one wants to shre on this board

if i was to share all of those interviews, how the hell would i get anything else that is rare? It is how the shit goes, you gotta keep the rare stuff rare in order to get other rare stuff.

I'm just like this guy, he wants the Vegas show, so he keeps his rare stuff rare for one day hoping to get it.

Guess you guys dont visit many other gnr forums to know all the discusions going on about all the bootleg sharing shit. Everyone expects all the gnr shit to be handed to them on a silver platter...Peeps worked hard to get what they have, most of them are not just gonna give it all up without getting something in return.

Sorry, but that is how things are, the way they have been ever since i started collectin bootlegs, and that is probably gonna be the way it will always be

it`s pretty sure that it will always be that way.

in a dreamworld everyone would share what he has and so he would get everything aswell as everyone else. :love: :beer:

Didnt you tell Scott to torrent the stuff he has?  ::)

^actually no, i didnt ask him to torrent anything

to tell you the truth, i havent requested any gnr matererial on any forum in a very long time. I also have never downloaded or used a torrent before  ::)

i only deal with trades these days, i asked scott to do a trade, but he declined

so dont accuse me of shit i never did

so, what's up with this VMA Rehersals ? no divx around yet ?

You guys know him as Vlevet1223. I hate to single one man out, but at least on this message board this is the man that has it all. All i want you to do velvet1223 is explain to all these hardcore Guns N' Roses fans why it is you let us have absolutely NONE of your shit. Ok CBGBs is an exception, although it was a mistake according to you. But these guys are right, people on other message boards trade/buy/sell/upload/download shit all the time without any pretenseor questions asked. yet when it comes to a great band like Guns N' roses we have people like YOU. Other people feel free to give everyone your views on this guy too. AND HEY VELVET, DONT GIMME THAT SHIT ABOUT YOU WANTING TO TRADE FOR HIGHER STUFF BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU GOT MORE STUFF YOU WOULD STILL KEEP IT. There that's all i gotta say.

I merged your thread with this one because I'm guessing it has something to do with the VMA rehearsals DVD.

But please, if you have something personal to say to velvet1223 (or whoever else), try to send him a PM (the IM icon here) instead.

Alright guys, I had a great deal for the VMAs; however, the plug got pulled.  I am ready to hear what you have to offer.  Keep in mind that I already have most of the shows.  Please use my email address for your offers.  THINK BIG.   
thank you

To answer your questions, FONTAINE....
I guess I am someone you would call a capitalist.

I've been following this whole rehersals thing from the start and I just wanted to tell you my opinion on this.

I can fully understand velvet1223 for wanting to trade the rehersals with someone who can offer him something he doesn't have. That's the only way the rehersals will sooner or later be available for everybody. If velvet1223 trades the rehersals then two people will have it. The second person will probably trade it for something he doesn't have and so on until too many people have it to call it rare and it's released to the public. I know this can take some years.

On the otherside, speaking for myself, if I would have the rehersals and I've made a trade with someone and got something rare, I would release it cause I got what I wanted: Another rare show.

But I think the main problem is, that no-one has something that rare to trade with.

EDIT:

Can you tell us what show(s) you got offered?

This logic is wrong. If everyone shared what they had, you would never have this problem, and everyone else would be satisfied. Thus trading would never exist.

i offered the guy anything he felt he needed for the show that i have on my list. Most is mp3, but a lot of the "rare" shows are only available in mp3 at the current time. I also included a list of ultra rare shit that I do not include on my online list, mostly rare video interviews and a few "unsurfaced" shows....

I got turned down after going through a bunch of answering questions for the guy, and eventually the trade turned into he didnt want to trade the VMA rehearsal anymore, so it got changed to a trade for the VR DVD he was offering too. After answering a bunch more questions for the guy, he eventually said, i am not interested in mp3, but maybe we can work out something for some dvd's...i offered to guy what i have and also a few other dvd's that a friend of mine would have given me for the trade if need be...again the trade was shot down...

so basically i guess if you want anything this guy has you need to offer him something like the Whiskey '86 show in lossless and then some other DVD's that nobody has such as the HOB DVD...

I understand that the guy wants something rare that he doesnt have, but why ask for something that nobody else has and prolly will never get? guess this guy will be the only one with this shit of his for awhile  ::)


btw, here is the list i offered him, like i said most of it is mp3's, but it is every gnr show audio that is available
http://www.freewebs.com/briggsygnr

Guys, I know that the Vegas show might just be a pipe dream; therefore, I am interested in hearing different offers from you. Like I said before...think big.   There is always a price on everything.   

We'd probably have a better chance paying someone to rob your ass.

hey , i've got the VR set @ download festival pro shot.... , that's a definate trade in my eyes.
i'm after axl singing in the shower in his malibu mansion , but not the one where he's using shower gel , the other version with him using head and shoulders.

please tell me you were being sarcastic! Anywayz, to velvet 1223, You say CAPATALIST i say GREEDY BASTARD

DAMN STRAIGHT. I do this shit for a living,  negotiating that is.
 

well when you retire sure you can leave all this stuff to the non-greedy fans

I am only 26. I won't be retiring for quite a while. 

Well, you aren't very good at it. Seeing how you haven't got what you wanted. I'd say, find another job.

Yea velvet i mean how about at least writing out a list of stuff that is supposed to exist that you want, such as paris 93 pro shot, las vegas etc. That way at least we  will know what you want.

good idea

Paris 93 pro shot exists?  Sure, I'd take that.

wouldnt we all................

If this goes on I'll lock the thread.

I know you don't like the way he works but it's his right to do whatever he wants with his stuff.

If you have nothing to offer him, stay off this thread.

I can only offer the souls of one million men.

Calm down Christos, im only givnig him a bit of stick for keeping all his rare stuff to himself. Anywayz ill stop now since hes admitted how bad he is.

I think you should calm down fontaine555
About that VMA Rehersals DVD: last time I looked it belonged to velvet1223.
So why should he do with it what you want?
He can ask for it what ever he wants.
Question is if there will ever be a nutcase that gives him that.
Until that time the only thing you can do is hope it gets out some day because right now it seems you don?t got what it takes to get it. (like all of us)
And yeah he is real bad for wanting something he did not have yet.

Johan

i understand velvet...
everyon is talking shit about hit, why the hell should he give it out?

i think it belongs to MTV .....

Yeah yeah yeah, the rights from that show belong to MTV or GN'R, like all of them.
Alway's send them a mail to ask if i can torrent some particular show.

Johan

nope. but that is why trying to use something illegal as it has some value (trade, sell ...) is not well percieved by the authorities, and they are nocer about *simple* sharing.

cause in the end, traders and sellers put value into something they got illegaly.
sharers don't. the share for free, therefore put the value to 0.

Thanks a lot for not reading what I said.

I don't care what you think, I don't care what you believe. He made an offer, noone replied with something that makes sense besides "what he should do" according to you.

This thread gets locked now.