is this a good deal on this Marshall?

[D]

Features:
The Marshall sound in a compact practice/backstage amp
Delivers a dynamic yet toneful punch
30W
10" speaker
2 channels
Digital effects including reverb, delay, chorus, and flange
FDD (Frequency Dependent Dampening)
CD ins, plus emulated line out, and emulated headphone jack*****

i can get it for 175 bucks

[darkmonth]

Meh.  I wouldn't recommend them.  Well, as in... since you have already owned some amps before.

Sure as a first amp... fine.  But it's basically a Park G30 and I don't think it's worth you getting it.  Save double the money and look for an AVT or even about 400 bucks and get a DSL50 Combo (used).  The DSL is a massively popular all valve marshall.

[*Izzy*]

I don't know, play it and find out? ?
If you've got 175 to burn ya might aswell get it?
What's it called, I can't read it in the picture?

[Genesis]

That amp is highly NOT recommended. If u want to use it as foot stool however, please feel free to buy it...

[jrs2001_99]

What does everyone think of the 100W twin-speaker version of that amp?

I have seen it advertised pretty cheap (from new) and haven't had a chance to try it yet. I used that one that D found a few years ago, didn't think it was that bad for a practice amp etc. I actually thought the tone was half decent for all the size of it. I'm looking for something around the 100W mark in anticipation for my band to start gigging within the next few weeks. Really all I need is something with enough volume - the built in effects gimmicks in this amp are a "bonus" as I already have access of these through pedals.

Bearing in mind that I can't afford an all-tube set up, I don't have the expertise nor patience required to properly maintain an all-tube amp, and the fact that (really) no one other than guitar geeks will be able to tell the difference between a solid-state and all-tube tone anyway, The 100W version of the Marshall at the top of this thread entered my sights. What are your thoughts?

If you think this line of Marshall amps sucks, why? And would the valvestate AVT series be any better?

Cheers

[IzzyDutch]

I have the Marshall G30R CD amp and I love it... it's really versatile and it gives me the Izzy sound I'm looking for

[D]

thanks guys, i shall hold off on this!

[*Izzy*]

D, change your avatar, please. It's freakin' me out?

  Izzy?

[darkmonth]

Bearing in mind that I can't afford an all-tube set up, I don't have the expertise nor patience required to properly maintain an all-tube amp,

Tube amps are no more hard to 'set up' or maintain than solid amps... fact is, every couple of years or so, you take it to a shop and have them replace the tubes (if it sounds like it needs it).

and the fact that (really) no one other than guitar geeks will be able to tell the difference between a solid-state and all-tube tone anyway,

Utter crap.? Anyone with ears can tell the difference.? mate... wait til you own one and people... normal people in clubs, come up to you saying what awesome guitar sounds you have.? Honestly, it will make it worthwhile

[Darkburst]

As long as you're not deaf you can tell the difference between a tube amp and a solid state amp... especially live. Trust me! SS and modeling amps make great toys and cool for making demos or whatever, but they just don't cut it with a band. They sound less musical and more harsh. Not to mention there's a certain amount of feel that I've never experienced in anything but tube amps. It's true that tube amps do require a bit more maintenance but it's not rocket science either. Depending on how much you play you may need to get new power tubes every couple of years and have the amp baised. Pre amp tubes can last a long time. People are still using pre amp tubes from the late 60's in their amps today. Save your money and get a decent used tube amp because in the end you're going to spend a lot of money on stuff that doesn't sound good and end up buying a tube amp anyway. Just cut to the chase. Save some money, do some research and buy a tube amp that suits your needs.

[electricmage]

As long as you're not deaf you can tell the difference between a tube amp and a solid state amp... especially live. Trust me! SS and modeling amps make great toys and cool for making demos or whatever, but they just don't cut it with a band. They sound less musical and more harsh. Not to mention there's a certain amount of feel that I've never experienced in anything but tube amps. It's true that tube amps do require a bit more maintenance but it's not rocket science either. Depending on how much you play you may need to get new power tubes every couple of years and have the amp baised. Pre amp tubes can last a long time. People are still using pre amp tubes from the late 60's in their amps today. Save your money and get a decent used tube amp because in the end you're going to spend a lot of money on stuff that doesn't sound good and end up buying a tube amp anyway. Just cut to the chase. Save some money, do some research and buy a tube amp that suits your needs.

Exactly. D, save up about 500 bucks and go for a good tube amp. I spent about 600 for a '86 JCM800 and it ownes.

[BP]

Exactly + 3  nicely said

no need to get an amp because of a name either. Peavey builds amps better than Marshall nowadays quality wise...  hope that changes

but I'd be more than happy with a Peavey Classic 30 All Tube ...  Anyday ! I know a place that will ship to your house for $429 New.  Satriani has even praised this bugger -  It's a step down from the best (going onto $1500 IMO.)

or get the used DSL or TSL etc etc.... blah blah. & throw away & send back your pedals.  Enuff talk & get off your ass 

-bp

[electricmage]

Well peavy never put out anything as good as a 80's marshall. Nowadays marshall sucks, and they cant put out anthing close enought o match the vintage amps they were building during the 70's and 80's. I have yet to hear the mode four, but i havent heard a thing about it either.

[jrs2001_99]

OK, well I've seen a few used DSL's on eBay (I'd prefer a TSL but beggars can't be choosers), so I may eventually go for something like that... holding off for now, but definitely going to try and get a test drive on one of these things sometime soon and see what it's like.

Some of the harmony central reviews don't inspire me with confidence with regards to Marshall's workmanship however...   

[BP]

Well peavy never put out anything as good as a 80's marshall. Nowadays marshall sucks, and they cant put out anthing close enought o match the vintage amps they were building during the 70's and 80's. I have yet to hear the mode four, but i havent heard a thing about it either.

isnt the mode4 basically a more powerful 2000? i'm sure there is more to it

I was thinking about getting a vintage head - hiwatt marshall even a twin reverb.  but then it would cost an arm & leg to maintain & wont be dependalbe unless you dump some $$$$ into it.

bp

[darkmonth]

Well peavy never put out anything as good as a 80's marshall. Nowadays marshall sucks, and they cant put out anthing close enought o match the vintage amps they were building during the 70's and 80's. I have yet to hear the mode four, but i havent heard a thing about it either.

isnt the mode4 basically a more powerful 2000? i'm sure there is more to it

I was thinking about getting a vintage head - hiwatt marshall even a twin reverb.? but then it would cost an arm & leg to maintain & wont be dependalbe unless you dump some $$$$ into it.

bp

No.  The Mode4 is a 4 channel amp with NO power tubes.  It is NOT a tube amp.  It's made for high gain metalling... veeery much suited to the nu metal scene and you will find a few using it.   Don't expect Slash types to want or start using it.

And my TSL JCM2000 is fucking solid.  Reliable.  No problems.  And I beat the shit out of it dragging it to gigs and practice contstantly through the week.

[Miz]

Well peavy never put out anything as good as a 80's marshall. Nowadays marshall sucks, and they cant put out anthing close enought o match the vintage amps they were building during the 70's and 80's. I have yet to hear the mode four, but i havent heard a thing about it either.

Yes they did.  They made the 5150 II for fucks sake.  You're talking absolute rubbish.  ThHe current JCM 800 is the same as the 80's old JCM 800.  All the reissue Marshall stuff is as good if not better than the original stuff, so no Marshall doesn't suck, it's just overpriced.

And 80's amp's aren't vintage either.  When people talk about vintage marshall amps they're talking about the point to point wired Plexi's and the non-master amps from when Jim Marshall first started out.

But back to the point, in the 5150 II Peavey made the most versatile tube amp in the world, whose dirty channel was based on Eddie's modified Marshall.  Marshall then copied the idea a few years later with the DSL and TSL.

Peavey's also had the Classic 30s and 50s, the XXX and the JSX head which is more versatile than any other tube amp available.

So shutup.

[BP]

Well peavy never put out anything as good as a 80's marshall. Nowadays marshall sucks, and they cant put out anthing close enought o match the vintage amps they were building during the 70's and 80's. I have yet to hear the mode four, but i havent heard a thing about it either.

Yes they did. They made the 5150 II for fucks sake. You're talking absolute rubbish. ThHe current JCM 800 is the same as the 80's old JCM 800. All the reissue Marshall stuff is as good if not better than the original stuff, so no Marshall doesn't suck, it's just overpriced.

And 80's amp's aren't vintage either. When people talk about vintage marshall amps they're talking about the point to point wired Plexi's and the non-master amps from when Jim Marshall first started out.

But back to the point, in the 5150 II Peavey made the most versatile tube amp in the world, whose dirty channel was based on Eddie's modified Marshall. Marshall then copied the idea a few years later with the DSL and TSL.

Peavey's also had the Classic 30s and 50s, the XXX and the JSX head which is more versatile than any other tube amp available.

So shutup.

ouch!? I'll back up everything u just said ....? except they were making 5150's not the II?    Alice in Chains live? a lot of shows were with 5150's & cabs. Solid amp.  OH & .. I dunno about TSL copying that but they for sure kept that amp in mind for a challenge& competition. & of course the XXX.  The peavey series right now is crushing marshall's JCM2000 series. The JSX, IMO crushes the TSL for a 3 stage amp stock hands down in build quality, $$$ for the buck, & most importantly uhhh  keeps up with it  .


bp

[Darkburst]

I think the DSL and TSL series are solid modern Marshall's. There a lot of good tones in those amps. In the US they are bit expensive for what you get IMO. With the exception of the new Marshall handwired series and JCM800 reissue most Marshall reissues are not like the originals. They are good, but they are not exact clones. No vintage Marshall used PCB construction.

Even Slash didn't use modern Marshall's to record Appetite For Destruction. It was a early 70's Marshall 1959T modified by Tim Caswell into a 70's Marshall 4x12 with Greenbacks. IMO Slash's best tones were on AFD.

[*Izzy*]

I still don't understand why the DSL is better than the TSL?

  Izzy?

[BP]

I think the DSL and TSL series are solid modern Marshall's. There a lot of good tones in those amps. In the US they are bit expensive for what you get IMO. With the exception of the new Marshall handwired series and JCM800 reissue most Marshall reissues are not like the originals. They are good, but they are not exact clones. No vintage Marshall used PCB construction.

Even Slash didn't use modern Marshall's to record Appetite For Destruction. It was a early 70's Marshall 1959T modified by Tim Caswell into a 70's Marshall 4x12 with Greenbacks. IMO Slash's best tones were on AFD.

  Greenbacks on AFD? I didn't know that....  I thought he always stuck with v 30's (dunno when they were reissued 50th?).

GB's are my favorite    -bp

[electricmage]

Well peavy never put out anything as good as a 80's marshall. Nowadays marshall sucks, and they cant put out anthing close enought o match the vintage amps they were building during the 70's and 80's. I have yet to hear the mode four, but i havent heard a thing about it either.

isnt the mode4 basically a more powerful 2000? i'm sure there is more to it

I was thinking about getting a vintage head - hiwatt marshall even a twin reverb.? but then it would cost an arm & leg to maintain & wont be dependalbe unless you dump some $$$$ into it.

bp

No.? The Mode4 is a 4 channel amp with NO power tubes.? It is NOT a tube amp.? It's made for high gain metalling... veeery much suited to the nu metal scene and you will find a few using it.? ?Don't expect Slash types to want or start using it.

And my TSL JCM2000 is fucking solid.? Reliable.? No problems.? And I beat the shit out of it dragging it to gigs and practice contstantly through the week.

There are a lot of solid states that are incredible. take my secret clean channel weapon, a Sunn0))) concert lead 100w for all my clean sounds. This thing has been thrown, beaten, probably shot and it will outlast me. Solid states are just that dependable, but then again, they dont have tubes....

[*Izzy*]

I use a solid state for my cleans aswell? because my tube amp has only one channel

  Izzy?

[electricmage]

Well peavy never put out anything as good as a 80's marshall. Nowadays marshall sucks, and they cant put out anthing close enought o match the vintage amps they were building during the 70's and 80's. I have yet to hear the mode four, but i havent heard a thing about it either.

Yes they did.? They made the 5150 II for fucks sake.? You're talking absolute rubbish.? ThHe current JCM 800 is the same as the 80's old JCM 800.? All the reissue Marshall stuff is as good if not better than the original stuff, so no Marshall doesn't suck, it's just overpriced.

And 80's amp's aren't vintage either.? When people talk about vintage marshall amps they're talking about the point to point wired Plexi's and the non-master amps from when Jim Marshall first started out.

But back to the point, in the 5150 II Peavey made the most versatile tube amp in the world, whose dirty channel was based on Eddie's modified Marshall.? Marshall then copied the idea a few years later with the DSL and TSL.

Peavey's also had the Classic 30s and 50s, the XXX and the JSX head which is more versatile than any other tube amp available.

So shutup.

Ok dipshit, Contrary to what you added, I have never played a Pevey that sounded like a Marshall, but I (unlike you) know what an opinion is. And maybe you should look the word "Vintage" up in a dictionary.

Maybe you are just a Peavy player....

[Darkburst]

I think the DSL and TSL series are solid modern Marshall's. There a lot of good tones in those amps. In the US they are bit expensive for what you get IMO. With the exception of the new Marshall handwired series and JCM800 reissue most Marshall reissues are not like the originals. They are good, but they are not exact clones. No vintage Marshall used PCB construction.

Even Slash didn't use modern Marshall's to record Appetite For Destruction. It was a early 70's Marshall 1959T modified by Tim Caswell into a 70's Marshall 4x12 with Greenbacks. IMO Slash's best tones were on AFD.

  Greenbacks on AFD? I didn't know that....? I thought he always stuck with v 30's (dunno when they were reissued 50th?).

GB's are my favorite? ? -bp

He's always used V30's live for sure. But AFD was done with the GB's. I've read a couple of interviews where Slash talked about how he tried to steal the 1959T from SIR studios when the AFD session were over. Funny story!

[electricmage]

Why des mike clink always talk about going Slash not having a tone during those recordings?

[BP]

I think the DSL and TSL series are solid modern Marshall's. There a lot of good tones in those amps. In the US they are bit expensive for what you get IMO. With the exception of the new Marshall handwired series and JCM800 reissue most Marshall reissues are not like the originals. They are good, but they are not exact clones. No vintage Marshall used PCB construction.

Even Slash didn't use modern Marshall's to record Appetite For Destruction. It was a early 70's Marshall 1959T modified by Tim Caswell into a 70's Marshall 4x12 with Greenbacks. IMO Slash's best tones were on AFD.

  Greenbacks on AFD? I didn't know that....  I thought he always stuck with v 30's (dunno when they were reissued 50th?).

GB's are my favorite    -bp

He's always used V30's live for sure. But AFD was done with the GB's. I've read a couple of interviews where Slash talked about how he tried to steal the 1959T from SIR studios when the AFD session were over. Funny story!

during the VR show in PA I ran into Slash & then Day....  talking about speaker cab setups.  that was a main question I had for Slash....  he told me he is using V 30's in them cabs.  anyways....  makes sense to record with gb's I guess as they are quiet & can be pushed easier.  I've had an all V 30 cab 4x4 & same with greenies both Marshall...  both great but opted for the greenies as something about it gave me wood. . 
-bp

[darkmonth]

Well peavy never put out anything as good as a 80's marshall. Nowadays marshall sucks, and they cant put out anthing close enought o match the vintage amps they were building during the 70's and 80's. I have yet to hear the mode four, but i havent heard a thing about it either.

isnt the mode4 basically a more powerful 2000? i'm sure there is more to it

I was thinking about getting a vintage head - hiwatt marshall even a twin reverb.? but then it would cost an arm & leg to maintain & wont be dependalbe unless you dump some $$$$ into it.

bp

No.? The Mode4 is a 4 channel amp with NO power tubes.? It is NOT a tube amp.? It's made for high gain metalling... veeery much suited to the nu metal scene and you will find a few using it.? ?Don't expect Slash types to want or start using it.

And my TSL JCM2000 is fucking solid.? Reliable.? No problems.? And I beat the shit out of it dragging it to gigs and practice contstantly through the week.

There are a lot of solid states that are incredible. take my secret clean channel weapon, a Sunn0))) concert lead 100w for all my clean sounds. This thing has been thrown, beaten, probably shot and it will outlast me. Solid states are just that dependable, but then again, they dont have tubes....

I hope you're not thinking I said that solid amps are shit.  Solid amps are fine for certain sounds.  My tube amp is my baby, and I love it, but I know that other people love other amps.  It's all in the ears of the beholder!

[BP]

Dave, I think you made an error in your sig.

A JB in the Neck? 59'  in the bridge? 

I'm still not settled...  I love the JB in the bridge & almost use it exclusively haha. I'm going to rip out the Aph 2 in the neck though & put back the stock I think. 

-bp

[darkmonth]

Dave, I think you made an error in your sig.

A JB in the Neck? 59'? in the bridge??

I'm still not settled...? I love the JB in the bridge & almost use it exclusively haha. I'm going to rip out the Aph 2 in the neck though & put back the stock I think.?

-bp

Oops!
Cheers for that.  You're 100% right!!!



Corrected!

[erose]

Why des mike clink always talk about going Slash not having a tone during those recordings?

where does he say that?

[Miz]

ouch!  I'll back up everything u just said ....  except they were making 5150's not the II     Alice in Chains live? a lot of shows were with 5150's & cabs. Solid amp.  OH & .. I dunno about TSL copying that but they for sure kept that amp in mind for a challenge& competition. & of course the XXX.  The peavey series right now is crushing marshall's JCM2000 series. The JSX, IMO crushes the TSL for a 3 stage amp stock hands down in build quality, $$$ for the buck, & most importantly uhhh  keeps up with it  .

bp

Well, the 5150 came first, but then they added the third channel and modified it a bit.  The 5150 II was the first all tube three channel head wasn't it, which was why I was saying the TSL copied it.

Ok dipshit, Contrary to what you added, I have never played a Peavey that sounded like a Marshall, but I (unlike you) know what an opinion is. And maybe you should look the word "Vintage" up in a dictionary.

Maybe you are just a Peavey player....

Well, I never said you had played a Peavey that sounded like a Marshall, nor did I say that Peavey's did sound like Marshalls. So no, it's not contrary to what I added.  What I said was Peavey did put out amps as good, if not better than 80's Marshall's, which I stand by 100%.

And why would I want to look up the word "vintage"? Do you think my view on amplifiers and their quality be swayed much by the what I would probably find, that the word is derived from Wine and their ages?  No, I don't think so.

[electricmage]

You said that 80's amps aren't vintage. Or at least I'm pretty positive. I'm fairly certain that anything under something made in the past few years is going to be condsidered vintage. I can call Abell Audio who Joe Walsh sends his gear to when it needs repair or mods, and I can ask them if they think an '86 JCM800 could be considered vintage.

"And 80's amp's aren't vintage either.  When people talk about vintage marshall amps they're talking about the point to point wired Plexi's and the non-master amps from when Jim Marshall first started out."


"Well, I never said you had played a Peavey that sounded like a Marshall, nor did I say that Peavey's did sound like Marshalls. So no, it's not contrary to what I added.  What I said was Peavey did put out amps as good, if not better than 80's Marshall's, which I stand by 100%."

You can stand by that, it's your right to voice your opnion. I've tried every amp out there, and personally, I think nothing beats a Marshall. Or at least beast the sound I am going for...

[electricmage]

Why des mike clink always talk about going Slash not having a tone during those recordings?

where does he say that?

Taken from guitar Legends.

from a guitar one interview with mike clink.

"G1: What would you shoot for on the basic tracks?

Clink: I come from the school of live perfomance. so I was going for as much as possible: drums, bass and Izzy's guitar. I didn't go for Slash's guitar becuase he just didn't have a tone at that time."

[BP]

  This thread is now out of controll...  call 911

no
no
uh
Not Vintage
no
maybe
no

ok.. I'm done 

[darkmonth]

Why des mike clink always talk about going Slash not having a tone during those recordings?

where does he say that?

Taken from guitar Legends.

from a guitar one interview with mike clink.

"G1: What would you shoot for on the basic tracks?

Clink: I come from the school of live perfomance. so I was going for as much as possible: drums, bass and Izzy's guitar. I didn't go for Slash's guitar becuase he just didn't have a tone at that time."

That's because Mike Clink is a cock.  Most rock guitarists 'DREAM' of that tone.

[electricmage]

Eh, they worked with him for a long time... But whatever. Izzy had an incredible tone too. He was using Carvins?

[electricmage]

I also think that once slash got those Jubilees, his tone shot to the moon and back again. Granted I love the appetite sound.

[Darkburst]

Sorry, 80's Marshall's aren't 'vintage' for a Marshall. That term usually applies to a certain time period. Like 'vintage Les Paul' only refers to Les Pauls made between 1952 and 1960.

Personally I think Slash's  best tones were on AFD. I'm pretty sure he has almost never recorded any albums using the Jubilees or Signature model. UYI was mostly JCM800's.