I Can't Believe What I Just Heard!!

[fuckin crazy]

Archie Bunker hits the nail on the head.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CLjNJI54GMM

[*Timothy*]

Archie Bunker hits the nail on the head.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CLjNJI54GMM

 

Bunker you be crazy!

[SLCPUNK]

How many shootings over the last few weeks? About three separate incidents?

[polluxlm]

Worried about going to school?

[CheapJon]

Worried about going to school?

not in sweden

[Vicious Wishes]

Arming everyone isn't the answer. Outlawing guns isn't the answer either, because if you do, only criminals will have them. There are millions of guns in the USA. Even if you banished them today, there are still millions of guns in the USA. I don't know the answer, but I know people who really want them will find a way, legally or illegally. A gun is as easy to find as pot or a piece of ass. And if you don't know how to find any of these things you're quite sheltered.

[Angel Down]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Nah, the fundamentalist terrorists actually have a message. 

And the message being expressed by the school shooters:

Society has let me down.

It's time to find/breakdown the hidden messages given by these poor victims.

[SLCPUNK]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

I don't accept your argument, but pretending I wanted to play along...Which one should we eliminate in order to stop these shootings?

[Angel Down]

 

The gun manufacturers!

(Two birds with one stone)...

[SLCPUNK]

Maybe we should rid the earth of people and let the guns live in peace. Hmmm?

[Angel Down]

Well, there would be no-one around to pull the triggers!

[SLCPUNK]

See, now it's safe.

[polluxlm]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

I don't accept your argument, but pretending I wanted to play along...Which one should we eliminate in order to stop these shootings?

Society, in it's current state, needs to be eliminated.

[Axl4Prez2004]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Nah, the fundamentalist terrorists actually have a message. 

And the message being expressed by the school shooters:

Society has let me down.

It's time to find/breakdown the hidden messages given by these poor victims.

The "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument is quite absurd.  The same could be said for nuclear weapons.  "Nuclear weapons don't kill millions of people.  People kill millions of people!"  That puts it into perspective for me. 

btw, I understand why you label these murderers as "victims."  I really do.  Whether they are the victims of poor parenting, poor genes, a less than ideal environment growing up, a system unable or unwilling to recognize their mental health needs, etc., it all sucks. 

Here's what I do know.  This dude has had psych. issues in the past but was able to stroll into a fucking gun shop, buy the weaponry necessary for a blood bath, and carry out his plan.  This wasn't some "spur of the moment" "crime of passion."  It was cold, calculated, and fucking evil.  Shit like this can't be stopped.  Fuckers like this will continue to slip through the system. 

So, what have we learned.
1  There are crazy people.
2. There will always be crazy people.
3. If crazy people get guns, many people can die.

Solutions?  Anybody??

Personally, I think we need gun control.  Weaponry has developed so far past what our Founding Fathers meant when it came to bearing arms.  Does anybody here really think their pistols, rifles, etc. will provide adequate protection from the rise of a totalitarian government power?  Give me a break.

[fuckin crazy]

Solutions?  Anybody??

Put the mentally unstable in the same FBI data base that contains felons and spouse abusers. That would prevent the vast majority of these people from getting firearms.

Personally, I think we need gun control.  Weaponry has developed so far past what our Founding Fathers meant when it came to bearing arms.  Does anybody here really think their pistols, rifles, etc. will provide adequate protection from the rise of a totalitarian government power?  Give me a break.

I disagree with gun control. There are laws on the books, if used, that would prevent most of the carnage. We have a constitution right to keep and bear arms, and I will exercise my rights to keep it that way.

This country has lost too many of it's freedoms. Once they are gone, you don't get them back. I don't want anyone taking any of my freedoms.

And yes, small arms are a deterrent to tyranny. The reason for most people wanting to get out of Iraq is because of casualties. Most of those casualties are caused by small arms and IEDs. Remember Bosnia? ... small arms.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"-Ben Franklin

[polluxlm]

Solutions?  Anybody??

Put the mentally unstable in the same FBI data base that contains felons and spouse abusers. That would prevent the vast majority of these people from getting firearms.

These days, mentally unstable is what exactly?

See, to me singling out 'potentials' on secret government lists isn't a solution in a society that is at least under the impression of being free. We should focus on why society produce these people.

But that's just tedious, right! Let's drug, imprison and kill whatever comes out of the machine instead. We're making money here, after all.

[fuckin crazy]

These days, mentally unstable is what exactly?

Involuntary commitment to a mental institution.

We should focus on why society produce these people.

A lot of it is brain chemistry.

[polluxlm]

These days, mentally unstable is what exactly?

Involuntary commitment to a mental institution.

That's the effect, not the cause. What is the cause?

We should focus on why society produce these people.

A lot of it is brain chemistry.

No shit! But you as I know the brain doesn't produce chemicals for no reason. There's always an external factor.

 

[fuckin crazy]

These days, mentally unstable is what exactly?

Involuntary commitment to a mental institution.

That's the effect, not the cause. What is the cause?

We should focus on why society produce these people.

A lot of it is brain chemistry.

No shit! But you as I know the brain doesn't produce chemicals for no reason. There's always an external factor.

 

How about genetics then. Many of these wacks that go all postal have been diagnosed paranoid/schizophrenic.

But here is one that wasn't, but he didn't kill anyone but himself.

Killdozer

[polluxlm]

Genetics explain why a person may have certain traits and predispositions. Which means you may carry the increased probability of flying of the bat in your genes, but that still has to be triggered by some external set of events. So once again it comes down to the structure of society.

We can also mention the not so insubstantial amount of synthetic shit we consume each day. May have an unpleasant effect on our genetic material.

You ask me all this focus on genes and mental state is starting to sound very vaterlandish.

Ihren papieren bitte?