Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Guitar shredder Ron Thal of the New York City-based alternative-rap-metal project BUMBLEFOOT has been asked to join GUNS N' ROSES as the replacement for Buckethead, according to a posting at www.bumblefoot.com. "Since, the rumors are already flyin', I might as well say," Ron writes on the site. "I was asked to join GUNS N' ROSES two months ago. It's not definitely happenin', we're just feelin' it out. When decisions have been made, I'll let y'all know."

Ron Thal started as a solo artist on Shrapnel/Roadrunner Records with the instrumental guitar-oriented CD "The Adventures Of Bumblefoot" in May 1995 (voted one of the Best Newcomers in Young Guitar magazine's Readers' Poll in January 1996) and the vocal "Hermit" CD in January 1997. Through his own production company, Hermit Inc., Thal (a.k.a. Bumblefoot) has released his own music, and has worked as a producer, songwriter, and hired musician. Credits include CNN, MTV, Jessica Simpson, Cher, LeAnn Rimes, and many more.


Sounds like a tour isn't close if they are planning on replacing Buckethead and they still haven't .

Rhino.

WTF!! rap-metal???? Bad news to me!
Definetely no tou within 5 months or so :'(

I wouldn't assume that there will be no tour for a while.  Keep in mind that Robin Finck and Buckethead only met six weeks before the HOB-Las Vegas and RIR3 shows.

This guy has plenty of time to decide whether or not he wants to join the band.  Also, they are not planning to start rehearsing until early Jan., right?

We'll see what happens.

Ali

he is talented. and maybe the only guitar player  to replace BH. he's style is weird too.

Personally, I haven't heard his work.  But, that's cool  : ok:

Ali

It's always nice to find out about gnr news outside of the official gnr sites. Tommy had said they weren't going to replace buckethead because they didn't need him, it's so cool everyone is on the same page..

This really isn't good news to me, shows the guys outside of axl are clueless and now there's more possibilities to have excuses to why things aren't done..

Right about now would be a good time for axl to speak wether good or bad,.. Explain something like we need tyhis dude only for touring, not to finish material, etc.
Also how many guitar players can one band go through without one album?

If it's true, I'd imagine Chinese Democracy might get delayed.  Could you imagine Chinese Democracy being delayed?

if they want to have somebody to replace BH on TOUR they got to tako some crazy guitar player like Ron who sometimes sound very like BH....

maybe it means that there are some Crazy BH solos....

Maybe thats what Dizzy was referring to when he said there's a couple of things that need to be sorted first.

Have any of you shredders out there got his album?

http://artists2.iuma.com/site-bin/mp3gen/9067/IUMA/Bands/Bumblefoot/audio/Bumblefoot_-_Wasted_Away.mp3

From the Bumblefoot forum.  Bumblefoot wrote:

Yeah, true. Have yet to speak with Axl - spoke to their engineer about when to come out and lay geetar tracks on the album, spoke to their manager about lotsa stuff, their keyboardist Chris, but that's all that's been goin' on so far. Hopefully we'll have some action before the year's end - or at least a definite answer on whether we'll be moving forward together or not.


When to lay guitar tracks on the album.  If thats the case we are seriously fucked.

Mike, I assume you are referring to the mtv.com article a while back where Tommy was interviewed about his solo album and he also talked about GN'R.  If you check it, he said that as far as he knew, Buckethead hadn't been replaced.  I thought what he said about not needing another guitar player was his personal opinion.

Also, as far as finding out news on GN'R from other websites, it isn't like it is a done deal that this guy is joining GN'R.  Why comment on something that might not come to pass?  There have been a lot of people that have auditioned for GN'R that the GN'R camp hasn't officially commented on, like Steve Salas.  I just don't think it can really be considered "news" until something actually happens.

Also, keep in mind that Richard Fortus joining the band wasn't officially commented on by Axl until that interview right before the Hong Kong show.  So, even if nothing was said until right before the tour, it would be par for the course.

Ali

anyone have a picture of this guy?

Personally, I am disappointed to hear about this... I was holding on to hope for Bucket's return. What's more disappointing about the whole thing is this:

I checked out the forum at bumblefoot.com and well, here's what "bumblefoot" posted:

Yeah, true. Have yet to speak with Axl - spoke to their engineer about when to come out and lay geetar tracks on the album, spoke to their manager about lotsa stuff, their keyboardist Chris, but that's all that's been goin' on so far. Hopefully we'll have some action before the year's end - or at least a definite answer on whether we'll be moving forward together or not

-http://www.bumblefoot.com/forum/index.htm

So basically they are still working on the fucking album if you believe this guy. Damn.... and the saga continues........

i'll rather belive Tommy and Dizzy.

(http://www.bumblefoot.com/artist/gallery/95-aobf-1.jpg [img])


Ger is s picture of the guy!

Damn, but here is the link

http://www.bumblefoot.com/artist/gallery/95-aobf-1.jpg

he looks like Jesus.long hair.

I can't see the picture.

(http://www.bumblefoot.com/artist/gallery/95-aobf-1.jpg)

Great. Instead of hiring a real rock n' roll guitar player Axl seems to substitute one freak for another one.

I don't know Ron Thal so I won't judge him. But in my opinion Fortus/Finck are enought talented.
GN'R is a very volatile band, in Axl's mind, he is the only real member of this band.

that is the reason why I love Axl. because it doesn't matter how you look.

Ron Thal does not play "alternative rap metal"

He plays weird, eccentric metal, he's an incredible technical player. That's as sane as saying Frank Zappa played alternative rap rock. It's weird, and it's most definitely difficult to label, especially for some journalist hack.

GnR is not all about Axl being cool but it's about cool hard rock music.
I guess some of you wouldn't even complain if he'd hire some hip-hop musicians... ::) or the teletubbies...

i would not complain. that's true. why don't you call Axl and remind him what's GNR about.

Finally...I think it smells like Bullshit for me.

it smells like somebody wants publicity...although he seems to be a nice guy...

No offense to Chris but that's funny.? :hihi:

He does seem like a really good guitarist from the MP3 samples on his web site..  Do you guys remember Gilby learning all the GnR songs in 3 or was it 6, weeks before joining them on stage. Gilby was alright, but this guy could probably learn all the songs in a week or two with his technically abileties.. Whatever.. It's not official yet, so it's maybe useless to speculate to much?

i don't know why but is is funny. bytheway, what's Pittman doing? some people vanish just like that.

If CD is in the mixing stages, perparing for mastering in Nov.  there is no way he is going to be laying down guitar tracks.  Also, the guy will have to be a God on guitar to remember all the tracks to play live.

Wow...this is just strange. I had a dream last night that GN'R put on a surprise show specifically to showcase their NEW guitarist (who happened to look a lot like Lenny Kravitz in a baseball cap and a sweatshirt). Funniest part was that the guitarist's amps cut out completely during his first solo and Axl just shook his head, stopped singing and looked right into one of the stage cameras and said, "Every fuckin' time I try to get this thing going, something's gotta go and fuck it all up!"

 :hihi:

I'll take this with a grain of salt though, you know what happened last time another guitarist ie, Ajax Garcia was asked to join the band. It wouldn't surprise me if GNR management denied this rumor right away.

Maybe Mysteron has any insight about this?

this guy is a great guitarist

http://www.bumblefoot.com/acloserlook/index.htm

But thats bad news right there...I thought the album was already finished and  they were just remastering the album ???

I want my Bucket-Head back :crying:

Who says that the tracks he lays guitar down on are for Chinese Democracy...

...Maybe Axl likes the three guitar sound that the current music has and wants to do it again for the next album...

...Hence having to find another guitarist...

...And why not get them tour with the band, and play some of B'head's parts?

I dunno (see picture) - stick a KFC bucket on his head and don a mask then they could look the same! Maybe it is Buckethead out of costume!

Seriously, I hope this doesn't affect stuff. Maybe someone will ask Tommy on tour.

True, Axl spoke of 2nd and 3rd album being recorded simultaneously, and even if CD is close to being finished, the sequals might be open for changes.

I think they will keep what they have on CD as is,, and when they go back and mess around with the follow up they have the new guitarist re re record and possibly maybe come up with his own idea to add.....

Why?  He's a freak! He doesn't deserve to have any association with the good name Guns n' Roses

They should get John 5

tell me you didnt read that on blabbermouth  :hihi:

 :rofl: :rofl:


Wow, if that is infact the case, and he is refering to laying down guitar tracks on Chinese Democracy, then we are no closer to the album being released then we were 2 or more years ago for that matter. His statement is pretty contradictory to Tommy saying only a few weeks ago that Chinese Democracy was completely finished and scheduled for mixing in October or November :-\ I personally dont see a need for a 3rd guitarist, Richard and Robin are more then capable of handling material live unless there are some critical and phenomenal solos Buckethead layed out on the album that are out of there hands. Definately when it comes to the old material. 2 guitarists are more then enough, I mean Buckethead standed around without purpose in alot of cases until a solo in say WTTJ for example. Im definately not happy with this news. They have had 6 months to find a guitarist. This album has no excuse for not being done..release it and then find a guitarist pronto for a supporting tour.

If you believe Tommy and Dizzy, we won't get our Bucket back. So, give it up completely.?
Then, I feel better now, or yeah rather refreshed. What a relief!? ?:rant:
At least we?ll hear him on new GNR album. I believe so. :D

Judging from the Mp3s, thanks Cali and SON OF A PREACHER for the links, his guitar work is very good, a bit too much idiosyncratic tenaciousness, maybe? I think he can help GNR in excess of well enough with the upcoming tour.
And I don?t get freak callings. He just looks normal. Oh, well his cheese guitar is weird.
The real drawback of this story is the fact he showed it off on his site, whether it was false or fake.

I have one word for you folks.
AJAX

what'S that? can that make me forget BH'S departure after so many months?

AJAX was a guitarist than claimed he was asked to join guns n roses a few months ago, and it turned out to be bullshit.
Unless I hear this news from Axl then I dont believe this guy.

ajax is much much better, I still have the mp3's he had up on his site.  : ok: he rocks

What is a "freak"?? ??? I've seen this word so much but I don't understand the exact meaning. Do you call a "freak" a weird guy? or a strange guy? What does it mean?

I hope whoever they get, they stick with him or CD will be redone over and over and over...  Just another reason for more delays.  :-\

Maaan... terrible, terrible, TERRIBLE way GUNS N ROSES have to talk to their fans
 :rant:

Let?s wait ( ahhhhhh !! I HATE this word! ) for something official ... don?t know from whom thou.

hhhmmm sounds like axl is alive and well to me.a start of something soon we hope.
 :-* YOU GO GET EM AXL '

yeah, why not see it positive.

 :confused:

Because none of us thought Axl was dead?  And how one derives "Axl is alive and well" from this thread is beyond me.

Buckethead  :hihi:

......Bumblefoot  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Hell, I can't even keep a straight face when I say that.

i cannot believe that Ron wants publicity. maybe he was really asked to join, to play the songs on tour.
i still believe that Brain will quit....

Brain is supposed to go back to GN'R after the Tom Waits tour.




/jarmo

belief has nothing to do with facts...

Ok, so you have proof Brain is going to leave GN'R. Would you like to share that proof with the rest of the board?




/jarmo

no, i just meant that not everything you believe in can be proven, like the existence of god....

 I hope this guy isn't the answer. Iam having a hard time believing that bucket is gone for good. Til we hear officially, I won't believe that this guy, ajax, john 5 or even fortus himself has taken over the second lead.  I don't think that being from a rap/metal band helps out the new gnr's image before its critics, but this guy must be damn impressive if they are willing to take that chance.

Surely it won't matter what his background is, it's not as if GN'R are gonna start doing rap-metal.  Surely not...!?!  :hihi:

To me as long as he's decent and it gets the album going or gets them on stage, that's all that matters.

...please...what is a freak?

someone who doesn'T behave what you would call normal....

you ever seen a pic of darknemus?  ;)

I sure hope they do not delay CD to re_record all BH's parts. Even if he isn't in the band, i still want to hear CD with BH playing on it  : ok:

Thal is a very talented musician, going for him as a replacement for Buck is a very logical choice. Thal has expressed deep admiration for Buck's crazy style and musicianship in quite a couple of interviews in the past. I don't rate Thal as a guitarplayer of Buck's caliber (certainly not), but the moment he joins the band he would definately (without a doubt) be the best guitarplayer in the current new gnr.

-PEACE-

this guy is supposedly replacing buckethead who supposedly replaced slash who is a hardcore bluesy guitarist.. and i find it quite funny how one of his songs are called "i cant play the blues" or somethin like that..  :hihi:

I love this board.  I visit it 2 or 3 times a day.  And almost every day there is someone that cracks me up.  Today it is the fact that there are people on this board that actually believe that there is a 2nd and 3rd album in the works right now.   :rofl: :rofl: 

Axl can't get one album out in 10 years and yet there are some that think the delays must have to do with the fact that they are working on album number 2 already.  Please people, can't you see the absolute lunacy in that reasoning?

As for the topic, this guy looks 1,000,000 times more normal than BH, but his style of play, based on those posted mp3s, is just as annoying as BHs style.  He would probably make a good replacement and if he does come to nuGNR, he will be the convenient excuse for no CD until next summer (followed of course by news that Fall 2005 is the timeframe ...  then Winter 2005, etc).

-TyRod-

Thank You.
Now, I think the ron thal rumour is...welll, just a rumour. As soon as there won't be an official statement (press release, confirmation by a band member etc/...), I won't believe it.

it's funny that after so many years of wait there are new ways of being funny.

Believe it or not, you don't need to have an album out to start recording more songs. It's been said by a lot of people that Guns has recorded more than 1 album's worth of material.

I think it's stupid to think they will delay Chinese Democracy to finish work on songs they plan to release 1 year later but I don't remember reading that in this thread.

Oh, and to read that BH's guitar abilities is annoying made me laugh while listening to Madagascar... thank you.? : ok:

He's been talking to Chris? As in Chris Pittman? How far down the damn GNR chain of command is that !?!

As said before, this all sounds just like the AJAX fiasco from a while back. Does anyone remember who shot that one down? Was it mysteron? Even if it wasn't, maybe he can get some info on this.

Bumblefoot is jewish. maybe that'S what GNR needs.

Oh, God no...Bumblefoot looks almost exactly like that guy from the Backstreet Boys!!  :crying:

(http://www.bumblefoot.com/artist/gallery/95-aobf-1.jpg) (http://www.tiscali.cz/musi/images/4/8/5/3/485385.jpg)

you've finally figured it out

I think  Chris said to this guy, hey BH left the band maybe you should talk to axl about joing the band and maybe come in and lay down some tracks.  Because the guy even said he has not talked to Axl yet, what does that tell  you?

Funny...that's the first thing I thought of too  :rofl:

whats that guy in the backstreet boys name? I wanna make my friend cry and tell him he joined the band

Kevin? I don't know.

Yeah, its Kevin. He later became the "unwashed" member of the group. :hihi:

U guys act like being in the Backstreet Boys is a bad thing. Young dude has millions of dollars and has banged more young hot chicks than the rest of us combined.

the pictures posted here are from 1995.  He looks a little bit chunkier now a days.  I think they should stick with Robin and Richard!  No Bumblefoot, Buckethead, Bumblehead, nor Bucketfoot, please.  :peace:

No band members with names containing a part of the human anatomy is what your saying? :hihi:

All this time... and no-one's mentioned this little gem from his site's news section:

" I've just finished recording Most Precious Blood covering Sweet Child O' Mine for a G-n-R tribute CD (to be released by Law Of Inertia Records)? ?I had sent my friend Joboj one of those "special" versions of the song, with myself on vocals.? Last night, Joboj was a guest host on NoneRadio.com and opened the show with it...? MP3 available HERE..."

www.bumblefoot.com/artist/multimedia/MostPreciousBlood-SweetChildOMine-withBfoOt.mp3 (http://www.bumblefoot.com/artist/multimedia/MostPreciousBlood-SweetChildOMine-withBfoOt.mp3)... "

If that doesn't work, here's the page with the news:
http://www.bumblefoot.com/noflash/news.htm

...and you're not going to be happy. I mean, really, I know how you guys can't take even the slightest hint of piss-taking of Uncle Axl, and that mp3 is most definitely taking the piss.

SG

Is that a fucking joke, this guy has no place being in guns n roses.
Someone shake axl and show him this mp3

...told you so. :)

SG

E-gads.

Seriously though, they should just get John 5. He's a personality, he's a good guitarist (even if he does play a Tele... fucking twangy planks, they are...), and he's quirky enough that he won't be overshadowed by the Bucket.

...and he can share makeup tips with Robin. :)

SG

Im loving this new chapter in the life of nuGNR

loooooooooooooooooool

I think this guy is ample evidence of why lead guitarists should never, ever be allowed near a mic. :)

SG

John 5 is awesome and I think he and robin might be friends,
I know robin is friends with Manson and John played with Manson.

He's a much more obvious choice than this goon, that's for sure...

EDIT: actually, in fairness, he's clearly just kidding around. Like Bill Bailey (Who's Bill Bailey? A UK comedy musician, who coincidentally shares Axl's real name...)

SG

Just say YAY if you think this guy is not right for guns n roses.

I disagree with you...I've met him and had a guitar clinic with him. He is an incredible guitarist who has his shit together. IMO he has a style similar to Buckethead's but a little more straight forward rock. I even played Sweet Child o' Mine with him, kinda ironic.  :) Seriously though...I think if this works out, it will be a good thing. He can play his ass off.

I highly doubt that Axl will take Bucketheads part out of CD with  Bucket being under contract during the recording. I wont believe anything until we get word from Axl or we see this guy on stage with the band. Im still holding on to the hope that CD is almost completed.

I'll reserve judgement till I've heard some of his stuff - not that SCOM thing I posted on the other thread, as he's clearly just jamming around, having fun and taking the piss. I'll miss Buckethead, but I think it's absolutely essential that whoever takes over from him re-record the parts, otherwise he'll just be seen as a touring musician. He has to have input into the actual album, in the same way that Fortus re-recorded Huge's parts.*

Still, as long as they find someone with the same quirkiness as Buckethead, they'll be OK. The last thing they need is a cliched tattooed rock guitarist like Dave Navarro; he'll just be seen as a second-rate replacement for Slash. They have to go with someone different, a bit out there... and this guy is certainly that.

*I'd say "the Huge parts," but that sounds rude... :)

Best lyric from that SCOM:

"Where are you... under there?
I... ain't wearing my shoes..."

 :rofl:

SG

Bumblehead...? ?:rofl:

I am reminded of that dude who put up a picure on ebay - the one which has a faceless guitar player of Guns N' Roses for you to insert your own photo.

I'll let Axl make my decision. He is the one who holds the cards who am I to say who I want in the band or not. I dont care if they have some dude wearing a pink tutu on stage as long as he can play is what matters. Axl knows what he is doing, and dong believe everything you see until you get an OFFICAL word from the big guy.

Damn! What a fooooooool! This is a fool that never will set his feet in GNR!

This just in:

It is nothing but rumor, speculation, and the GNR camp has said nothing about replacing Buckethead.


We now return you to your regularly scheduled Thread.

Let's keep the new guitarist discussion in that thread, thanks.

- Topics merged -

Hey all, thanks so much for your thoughts on things.  I didn't wanna mention anything about the G-n-R thing, but I was getting too many emails about it lately and had to say sumthin about it.

I've spoken with Merck M. (manager) and Caram (studio engineer) over the past 2 months and they're very cool. They're not going to be telling me everything going on, as it's their thang, so I can only go by what they tell me. Wish I had something more definite to say. Sheeit, if it works out, great. If they decide they don't want me in the group, I'd respect their wishes because they know what's best for G-n-R, and would offer to help find them a new guitarist that fits what they're lookin' for. Nobody can replace the original band and I wouldn't dare try. Velvet Revolver kicks ass too btw. Let's just see what happens 

Would definitely be an honor  I'm not worried about them, I'm more worried that they'll be able to deal with me walkin' around with my pants down all the time.

bumbblefoot

I have a feeling that this is a joke on his site. Just based on that MP3 I can't see Axl asking him to join.

Just had the same feeling myself. But u never know.... He was a bit to polite in that not..

the mp3 is not to be taking seriosuly. holy cow some of you peopel are too serious. Hes just messin around. He seems like a cool guy and would be the perfect guy to replace bucket, in terms of image and not being known that well....

I like how the gnr camp go after these underground guys rather than the big names......

I just realized he was on MTV "made". Its a show that help these teens achieve their goals. This one kid wnated to write a song and he was brought in to help him achive his goal. I remember him being a funny and interesting guy who could flat out play.....cool beans

My guess is that we've got a Stevie Salas situation going on here. (Remember him? the dude Axl had in for a try-out when Robin Finck left to re-join NIN in 99-00, who then started posting stories all over his site about rehersals etc. only to get a "thanks for coming out" from Axl.). I don't think he's taking a piss like Ajax clearly was, but it sure sounds like he's running to the presses about his recent "contact" with GN'R way too early for his own good. Nobody in their right mind should be broadcasting that they're thinking about joining Guns N' Roses until they've spoken to and been approved by Axl Rose. That's just insane.

And...that's when bumblefoot definitely came out of the picture! ;D

I agree with u on the last onethere... And i should not judge this guy before i knew more about him! But u really get frustrated in this Guns N`Roses world! People come, people go!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....not another fucking delay...I especially don't like the quote about him laying guitar tracks on the album....what the fuck? I thought this peice of shit was supposed to be done and ready for mastering.  Leave it to Axl to find a way to delay this thing even more...Why do they need this douche to record tracks?  they can't possibly have MORE work to do on the fucking thing!!! FUCK!!!!!!!! ok...i'm never reading any GnR board again...it's such a waste...I'll find out about the cd when I hear about it on tv or radio.  The fact that they are looking for a new guitarist cannot be good.  If they are waiting to find a guitarist before touring, then that could put a major delay on the tour and the album...because the won't release the album until they can tour to promote it...FUCK!

  The album wont be delay`d at all...Thats just bullshit! How can u belive that? If tehy was going to rerecord the tracks they would start thinking of doin that right away whay Dickethead left... And not 6 moths after.. But they may still need one for touring... and thats all!

He's just the freak of the week.

I knew I heard that dudes name before and thats where I seen him. He looks alot different on Made than the picture that was posted.

Doubt that they`d hold off CD for this guy to lay out new guitar parts to replace buckethead.

If there is any shread of truth to this this is how I think it should go down..(speculation of course)

Keep Buckets parts in, but have this new guy tour with them.

If he is rally a new member, have him work on the follow up album. This way we have 2 distintly different albums regarding lead guitar parts.

My 2 cents...

I think BHs parts are staying and the new guy will just tour with them.

Ok, I don't care about how this guy looks. It's less bizarre than Bucket anyways.
He did sound a lot like Buckethead, but I found this cool piece in his website:

http://www.bumblefoot.com/artist/multimedia/Bumblefoot_-_Delilah_Unplugged_-_DementiaRadio_-_14July2003.mp3

Reminds me a little bit of Hendrix, he's good for me. And, for all the others, I don't see him like a "rap metal" guitarrist.  :no:
But I don't believe in this guy...  He would say anything about GNR only if they accpet/refused him, not WHILE they are in deal. He wants publicity.  :yes:

If he is lying then this is a con not on GnR fans but on his own fans. they all believe him and stand behind him.

I think he may have been contacted and perhaps laid down for guitar parts for axl to hear but as far as being a member of gnr that is very presumptuous. I hope that all of our reactions to him will bear some weight as this search continues.

oh btw, get bucket back. offer more money, more girls, more creepy horror dolls, fire robin if you have to.

I know nothing of this guy - I found this among many things though - any one a fan???? - I never heard of him :help:

(http://www.42nd.net/ezine/intex/8908gp.jpg)

Fire Robin  :nervous:
No way I love robin.

First thing my wife said when I showed her the picture was 'that guy probably IS Buckethead!'.

Looks like Axl really does want a 'shredder' in the stable. I don't get it, but I also haven't heard the direction of Chinese Democracy beyond the 5 tunes we witnessed on tour. Maybe once we hear the whole album, there will be definitive roles that each member plays. Perhaps there is a grand scheme ya know, like:

1) The cute one
2) The athletic one
3) The 'your best friend's older brother' guy
4) The artistic, pensive dreamer
5) The non-threatening bad-boy

Or not. It could be a mish mash that will look retarded when the band poses for album sleeve photos and sound as awkward as Brooks & Dunn remixed by Gary Neuman.

Either way, I'm willing to give this guy a chance. Hey, I got over the chicken bucket thing, the botox and Chris Pitman's haircuts, why not this?

Well it should be offically soon if this is true. My only guess they are about start up again or need to finshed up some parts but it becoming more clearer that it is up only took Axl to decision.

Tommy in the gang will only lead you in circles .

I've met him before and actually attended a guitar clinic/workshop with him. (even played Sweet Child o' Mine with him. ironic eh? 8) )

I'll just lay down my opinions.
-He is a really nice, very approachable guy. No ego issues, quite down to earth and cool as hell. Great sense of humor.
-Fuckin' awesome guitarist!! I have no doubt in my mind that he can handle all of the guitar parts. IMO Buckethead is an amazingly talented player...however if there's one guy who's a great fit to replace him, it's Bumblefoot.
-He has a damn cool guitar, where when you depress the tremelo arm (whammy bar) wings come out from the top/bottom of the guitar's body.
-Has really good chops, really good technique, almost a similar style to Buckethead's, just in the sense of some crazy sounds and pretty original style.

So in closing I guess all I can say is...don't worry just because you've probably never heard of him. He's an incredible guitarist who definitely has his shit together.

He is NOT what you would think of as a rap-metal guitarist. I have no idea where that came from. I believe he listens to some hip-hop but...that's like calling Buckethead a techno guitarist. The fact is he fuckin rips on the guitar.  :beer: Hope this helped some.

Just hire me already, Axl. Seriously, people will be like "Slash who? Buckethead who??". And fire the other dudes...I'll play all 3 parts at the same time.

I know NOTHING about this guy so I can't really judge him.  All I can say is bring BUCKETHEAD back!!!!
I've seen him with GN'R twice and on his Giant Robot solo tour and this guy fucking rocks as you all already know or should know.  My favorite GN'R guitarist EVER by far, and definately the most talented.

I am hoping he uses gibson guitars. this guy uses too many novelty guitars.

It would be nice if someone in GNR/GNR-camp, could clear this thing.

Where is Mysteron when we need him??  ;)

Appartatently Joe Satriani recommended him to GNR!

Yeah, sure.... Source, please?  ::)

See the Bumblefoot forum on his website...he's the source!

I am just about 1 dumb named guitarist from giving up on GNR completely until I am HOLDING Chinese Democracy.   :rant:

Well from what I know/remember, he doesn't.

Although he still has a killer tone. no worries here. :smoking:

I dont think more anything would get BH back. I think he honestly wanted to be in a band making cd's and touring. And good riddance to him until someone can explain the nunchucks at RIR 3 to me

Gibson, Fender, Gretsch or PRS would all be great, but this cheese guitar is just too much..!

I'd be satisfied with Robin and Richard, but this album has taken Axl over 10 years to conceive, so I imagine he'll want lots of different guitar sounds coming through our speakers. Everybody, especially Tommy, says Axl knows what he's doing. I guess I'll take their words for it.

Who????

Obviously I'm talking about people who are working with Axl on this project, not people on the sidelines who criticize. I know there are plenty of naysayers - including myself at times. But most of those people have nothing to do with the current project. For those who actually have something to do with this album and band, their words for Axl are always positive and often effusively positive. Brian May, Moby, and Tommy come to mind.

I am not giving this guy the time of day.  I might research him if there is an official announcement, but until then, he is a nobody to me.

Didn't exactly the same thing happen just the other month with the guitarist from the ''Napolean Blownaparts'' - seems more than once person has worked out GNR are a source of cheap advertising

By the way Axl approached me to play guitar too, on an unrelated note my new album is out tommorow ::)

Thal responded to my skepticism with the following interesting tidbit;


<< killingvector wrote: Garcia fabricated the rumor himself to generate publicity. I hope this isn't a repeat of that. >>

Totally understood - I'm pretty damn skeptical about stuff. I kept the emails from them just in case they were ever needed - tellin' me there would be contracts to sign, wanting to have me come record with them in mid-Sept, all that stuff. Checked in today and they didn't seem too happy about my putting a blurb online, but word was already out and I was getting all kinds of emails with twisted info. Had to post the right thing, that I'm *NOT* in the band, they offered me the spot, but it's still just talk, nothing is decided on either end. It was actually Satriani that recommended me to them (thanks Satch)  Sheeit, if I was out for publicity I would have posted 2 months ago 

I'm very happy doing what I do, makin' my own music, producing bands, earning my own way. I only wanna join GnR if I feel a connection to the people in it and think we can do great stuff together - we'll see

I heard Megapenis is actually the one joining GnR; this Bumblefoot stuff is BS. It's Megapenis.

To bad everything wasn't kept simple, the new band changed a few times and is yet to release something..   It's a shame that one band can't be made and just go to their thing,,Would axl hire someone because chris likes him?

What ever happened to a bunch of guys teaming up and just writing some songs and then kicking ass? Bh has been gone since march, it's now october, write a wait to get a new guitarist..

Shame the band has so much material and so 2 people involved aren't even there anymore..

I guess we'll have to wait and see, wonder when axl will grace his fans with speech

I kind of like this guy - at least he doesn't dick around like Buckethead did (for all that the guy was a phenomenal guitarist, he was a little... unpredictable). This Bumblefoot seems to have his head screwed on straight, and he's willing to talk to the fans like Tommy and Dizzy. I need to hear his guitar playing, but he seems like a pretty good choice as a person...

SG

As long as this guy doesnt delay the album past FEB just sign him.  I hope they keep BHs parts on and just let this guy play on any follow up albums, if they put them out.

Once again, I just want to say...this guy is a really good guitarist. He can definitely fill Buckethead's shoes. I've played with Ron at a guitar workshop/clinic, he can shred like crazy and has solid technique. Saying that, he's more of a Buckethead than a Slash, IMO (if you're looking for a 'lead guitarist' comparison there). So, I'd expect leads similar to Bhead's as opposed to Slash's.

hopefully you get my point.  :P

How did  he play SCOM did it sound good?

Thanks for the insight, Pat.  Honestly, I've never heard of him before this, but if you've actually seen the guy play in person, I'll take your word for it.

Ali

Dave, he only played part of the main solo.  The beginning of it was played on a keyboard or piano.  But, from what I heard, yeah, he tore it up.  Definitely more Buckethead-like than Slash- or Robin-like.

Ali

No I heard the mp3 I am talkig about the guy who said he actually played with Ron.

When does the FBI background check on this guy come in? 

I've got a MP3 on which Ron Thal is playing SCOM (and he actually sings too), thanks to Cookslash. If someone wants me to upload it somewhere, send me a PM. It's 6MB.

You mean this POS
http://www.bumblefoot.com/artist/multimedia/MostPreciousBlood-SweetChildOMine-withBfoOt.mp3

Yeah it's the same one. He's obviously having fun with the song, I hope you didn't take it seriously. And I think the guitar is pretty good.

Here he is doing a jimi song
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http://www.bumblefoot.com/artist/multimedia/Bumblefoot_-_featuring_Dennis_Leeflang_on_drums_-_Fire_(Hendrix_cover).mp3

say what you want about him joking around on SCOM but the guy absolutely rips the last solo. If in fact hes a canidate, he looks to be a good fit. HEs got a great sense of humor, image,  hes a great guy and Ive been listenbing to his material the past 2 days, he can flat out play

Guns N' Roses may have found a replacement for departed guitarist Buckethead, who left Axl Rose's band in March. According to a post on the official site of the New York band Bumblefoot (www.bumblefoot.com), their guitarist Ron Thal says he was invited to join GN'R's tumultuous ranks, though he's yet to make a decision. ...

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1491683/20041001/timberlake_justin.jhtml?headlines=true




/jarmo

hey isnt linkin park rap-metal?

P.S What an ugly guitar!!!

I prefer him to buckethead. definitely.? But isn't Ron thal a specific "metal" guitar player? I hope he will adapt himself to the Rock sound of GN'R because It would be a desaster if GN'R sounded "metal"? :nervous:
I think he is enought talented to adapt his guitar playing and to sound "Rock n' Roll".
He seems funny and cool.
So welcome Ron? :peace:

yep, I agree. come back to the Gibson.

Yeah, that's what I said (don't know who you were replying to). The guy is just having fun with the lyrics and piano ("oh, play the keeeeeys"), he definitely can play.

I can't believe people don't like this guy because of that, I thought it was pretty funny.

yes it was pretty funny too for me. it seems he likes joking and having fun. that's cool  8)

Do we really need another guy with braids in the band?? ???

he doesnt always have braids

[image]http://www.guitarplayer.ru/ronthal/img/ron_thal_01.jpg[/image]

http://www.guitarplayer.ru/ronthal/img/ron_thal_01.jpg

Thanks for the link dave-gnfnr2k.? That guy looks cool in that pic.? : ok:

But what's up with those guitars he has?? :nervous:

you know....Axl is building the exact opposite of what GN'R used to be in the image: a badass Rock n' Roll band.
He is doing exactly the contrary. Totally the opposite. Maybe he is fed up to be a Rockstar. I don't know but it is possible.

Damn he has crack sniffin thumb nails in that above pic....my god...I still say bring BUCKETHEAD back for good!

Or maybe Axl bases who he gets based on talent and not imagine.

Apart from a talented musician.... HE CAN FUCKIN SING!
 (http://gnrsucks.com/2ti/images/smiles/icon_eek3.gif)

Check this out:
http://www.bumblefoot.com/video/Bumblefoot_-_Live_In_Holland_-_07_SEPT_2002_-_Run_To_the_Hills.rm

I know GN'R doesn't need a singer but I already imagine him doing backing vocals for Nightrain going "Bottom's up..... Feel my cup...!

yes maybe. the music is the most important. We are OK on that point. and Ron Thal is talented. 

holy shit you're right.. he CAN sing..  :o

LOL! I've always thought of how GNR is this carnivale. You have:

Axl (The rock star)
Tommy (The punk)
Robin (The artistic goth)
Richard (The hardcore rock'n'roller)
Bucket (The eccentric weirdo)
Dizzy (The "side-kick" headbanger)
Brain (The laid-back thug)
Chris (The "wannabe") (I like the guy, but a lot of people don't even know he exists)

I think when all of those personalities come together, it adds another dimension to the band. One more eccentric whacko won't hurt :)

He played it spot on. Nailed it, sounded great. Some nice tasteful fast licks tossed in the leads and stuff.

If he ends up becoming an official GNR member, then for the first time in ...?? years, I will trust that Axl's still got his head on straight. (Not a bash on him really- I love the new songs)

If it doesn't delay the reocrd, I'm all for an A-class shredder coming on board to pick up the Bucket's pieces. Time reveals all...

I absolutely agree with you NickNasty!
Just read some reviews/articles about this guy. Man this guy is a master on guitar. Obviously he's able to do Bucket's parts on the album.
And reading from his messages, he is a very nice and correct guy too!
Sounds to me like a perfect fit for GN'R.

If he joins Guns, and I kindda already hope he does, hopefully he will be using the Les Paul? : ok:

Bests to ya all,


N ! 3 |(

N.B. Read his Bio. He's a great guy!

Yup, I've always thought of the new GN'R as a sort of demented carnival; they've gone beyond the rock-star image now. I think this guy Thal sounds like a decent replacement for the Bucket. And I like those wacky guitars - but I suspect he'll end up being "gently persuaded" to use Les Pauls with GN'R...

SG

Obviously? I wouldn't say that too loud. If Buck has played to the maximum of his abilities on some solo's, Thal would have a very hard time doing something similar. He has stated himself that he admires Buck's crazy technique. Thal is however a great player with a very (very) good voice and incredible compositional skills.  He is a great asset to a guy like Axl who likes to put out a couple of "Madagascars" and "November Rains" every now and then.

-PEACE-

There was an update on his site, which says:

30 SEPT - since, the rumors are already flyin', I might as well say...    I was asked to join Guns-n-Roses two months ago.  It's not definitely happenin', we're just feelin' it out.  When decisions have been made, I'll let y'all know    :)  Just so we're clear - I AM NOT IN G-n-R.  We talked - that's it.

well, i don't think he's all that. Axl shoud get Doug Aldrich. i was opening for whitesnake ( he's tourging with WS now) and he is by far the best guitar player i've seen. way better than slash and BH. and to make it all better he, like slash, seems to be a very down to earth kinda-guy. he is using les pauls wich obviously made me think of GNR. such a gifted player and i think he's up for grabs if axl would make that call.

Looks like you're trying to say that he's not in the band and never will be.

I took that to mean that people are acting like he's been officially confirmed as the GNR guitarist, and he's just stating that nothing's been signed, that he's still in discussions. Yeah, he may not be confirmed as the guitarist, but he's clearly still in the running.

SG

Bumblefoot is a guy you really can believe. this means that Buckethead is gone ( :-\) and that they want to replace him with somebody unique too.

Why now, the statement of buckethead was said 6 months ago? All the time tommy has said something he never mentioned them looking for a new guitar player, you'd figure that would be something important to mention?

So far they've had a few guitarists work on the albums and not one has been released, I hope the band isn't going to be a revolving rotation of players just to keep the name alive..

I don't have time to check it properly at the moment, but I see no reason to disbelieve it

I just hope he hasn't spoiled his chances by speaking about it. That will not go down well with management  :hihi:

Dont you think that if he was asked to keep quiet, he would, or risk hurting his chances?

Maybe he is trying to force them into making a decision or something, you know?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, if you believe what Thal wrote on his site, he was asked 2 months ago to join. Sounds reasonable, & believable, he sounds like a good guy & a really good player. So the consensus around here seems to be he's not full of shit, & it seems most here believe him.

If that's the case, can someone please explain why his royal highness Axl hasn't even bothered to pick up the freakin telephone to talk to the dude, or invited him over so the 2 can get a feel for each other, jam together, write together, in other words, do what most normal, healthy people do when inviting someone to join a band to see if they click? After all, those are pretty big shoes he's supposedly filling, the Buckethead era will go down as one of the greatest in GnR's glorious history(sarcasm mode off).

It's stupid shit like this which makes me believe it's never gonna happen with Axl & this group, I've felt this way since 2002, & nothing, & I mean NOTHING, has happened in the last 2+ years to make me think otherwise. On the contrary, every bit of news I hear makes me feel that nothing is ever going to happen.

So there you have it. I want someone to rationalize to me why there's no need for Axl to, at the very least, call the guy & introduce himself & say hello.

I'm not sure if this is rationlizing anything, but Ron Thal doesn't have to interact with the GNR organization if he doesn't like how Axl does business. But going by the things he's written, he accepts the way things work with Axl/GNR. He wasn't handcuffed and forced to submit to Axl's prima dona ways. It appears to be a choice he's made.

excuse me but, if Ron joined GN'R would that mean there will be a re-recording of the guitar parts once AGAIN?? ???
It will never end!!? :rant:

My question was why hasn't Axl even felt the need to, at the very, very, very least, talked to the guy. He's inviting someone to join this , ahem, "group", the people he's utilising to make sure his "vision" comes to life, & he knows it's going to work with this guy why, exactly? Because he likes his playing? That's all well and good but there's more to being a group, a band, then throwing together a bunch of good players.

What if Thal accepts, starts going to rehearsals, & Axl then discovers he doesn't like the guy, or, doesn't feel the "chemistry"(there's a word that gets thrown around a lot here).

It just seems stupid, half assed, & poorly thought out, like everything associated with GnR these last few years.

We don't really know how it happened. Maybe Axl told management to get in touch with a bunch of guitar players and Ron is the only one who has mentioned it?

Maybe if the audition happens, that's where he'll meet Axl?




/jarmo

Jarmo, I'm just going by what he posted on his site. He didn't say he was asked to audition, he said he was asked to join. There's a big diff.

Axl probably thinks talent is enough. I'm sure he's seen Thal play. (Wasn't he seen in NY recently... I wonder if that was the reason?) And if he liked what he saw enough, he probably went with his gut and made an offer. The offer probably wasn't to become a permanent member, but to move forward with an audition. You probably have to join the organization (thereby agreeing to certain rules) in order to even jam or hear the material.

I remember when I saw the new band in Vegas (the first one), Axl said it was the first time he'd ever sung with that lineup... that gives you some indication of how he does things. Why does he do things that way? As Simon LeBon once said when asked why rock stars always do supermodels, "why does a dog lick his balls?"

As for etiquette of a phone call, that's not a concern for Axl. It's just the way he is. Some accept it, some don't.

Didn't that Ajax claim he was asked to join too?




/jarmo

Jarmo, the first thing I said was I'm going strictly by what Ron posted on his site, & it seemed most here believed it. If you think it's all bullshit, & it may very well be, that's a totally different thing.

Johnnyblood, you may be right, that's the way Axl does things, because he can. However, I say that's also the reason why nothing ever gets done with Axl, & probably never will.

I'm not saying it's bullshit. I was only objecting to the things you said about how Axl didn't seem involved in recruiting the new guitar player.

I don't think we know the whole deal here.


/jarmo

Just by mentioning Ajax, you imply it's bullshit.
 Around here, doesn't Ajax=Bullshit?
 Just playing devil's advocate here.

This whole thing kinda scares me about what Axl's 'vision' of CD and/or GNR really is.? :-\

I was always under the impression Axl didn't want CD/GNR to be a replica of the AFD GNR, so he brought in BH because Axl thought BH had the talent and persona to help GNR get passed the Slash thing.

Unfortunately, BH fucked that up for everybody.

But I didn't think that Axl ever wanted the "GNR sound" dependant on the 'sound' of the lead guitarist (especially one that ISN'T in the band anymore), and that's what this is all starting to look like to me.? :(

hmm.. he seems to b nice.. he is good lookin' too.. but has axl confirmed it??  let's wait 4 some new from mr rose..  : ok:

Of course the smart thing to do is hear it from axl .. I still wonder why none of the supporting cast has mentioned it in interviews? If axl speaks about thim you would think he would mention the album too, if he didn't then that would be shitty

No I don't and I think what I though when I posted that.

Just because somebody was asked to join doesn't mean he will actually join. That's what I was saying.




/jarmo

It is getting to the point that I can barely come to this message board anymore because every time I hear news about gnr it makes me sick.  I know we all like to be optamistic and try to believe that cd is coming out someday soon, but everytime it looks like it's going to happen like recently, some bit of news comes out like this whole new guitar player thing, and we all don't want to believe it but deep down inside we all know that this will somehow delay CD longer.  Axl will probably have this new guy rerecord all the lead parts.  And by the time we hear CD or see guns tour again Axl will be 55 years old.  Why can't they just let Robin play lead!!!

Slash will be back by the time of the "3rd" album.

Place your bets now please lol

On checking, I would say Bumblefoot's claims are true. Unfortunately, because this rumour relates to unofficial, non-contractual personnel issues, management are not allowed to comment. I would also say that Bumblefoot should not have said anything, and has probably hurt his chances of being with gnr in the future. We'll wait and see

umm, well as I recall the 2002 tour couldn't continue because of something associated with axl who coincidently decides when the album will be turned over to the label. So, putting this all on BH seems a bit sketchy to me.

If this guy is THAT good and axl really wants him, I dont think him speaking will matter but if they find someone better, this could be their excuse why they didnt pick up.

Mysteron btw do you feel the new guitarist who ever it will be, will redo BHs parts or is the album pretty much done like diz and tommy have stated

It's really hard to swallow that Buckethead wont be coming back to guns n roses.  :confused:

Like I said before, I dont care if he comes back as long as his parts stay on the album.

yeah, leave Buckets stuff on the album and have another new guitarist cover his work. That would be about par for the course with GNR anymore.

I don't think we can close the door on bucket quite yet. It could very well be possible that Gnr are auditioning players but are keeping the door open for bucket's return.

I think after 6 months of not a peep on a forseeable Buckethead return probably means it isnt in the cards for GnR but that may just be my gut instict. Also though, in the latest interview with Tommy, he seems pretty irritated by Buckethead and Tommy id say is more in Axl's good grace then any of the bandmembers and Axl stated after his departure that Buckethead is unreliable so I think he is gone for good. I really just wish Robin and Richard were given the go ahead by Axl to fulfill Buckethead's contribution to the material being played live or on the album. Robin has stuck this out for 8 years thats the least Axl can do I think. I would have given him a well deserved kick in the ass by now :-\

I think leaving Bucketheads parts on the album is the only sensible option. However, if he'snot returning to the fold, they'll need a guitarist of that nature and ability to complete his parts live and this guy seems to fit the bill. Robin, although loyal and talented, isnt that type of player - he is more of a textural and dynamic guitarist but doesnt have the flashy chops that Buckethead has. I for one, think its a shame he left - not only is he clearly an awesome guitarist, he would have offset Axl in a way - he was clearly set to be the other "star" of the new GNR which is clearly needed  to lend this band a "band" feel - otherwise you'd think CD will resemble a solo project for Axl

We knew from back when Buckethead left that there were going to be these delays. It's clearly integral to the new GN'R sound that there be an avant-garde shredder (as well as Robin and Fortus, for all those complaining that Robin should just play all the leads), otherwise Axl wouldn't be looking for another one now. Much has been made of the fact that the new band is a group effort, with all the members contributing, so it makes sense that the new guitarist will re-record Buckethead's parts and change them to his own tastes, just as Fortus re-recorded Huge's parts. Aside from anything else, it'd be disrespectful to the new guy not to do this, and would make him seem like an outsider to the band.

SG

Now I totally understand why slash duff matt and izzy quited the band...

I think Buckethead's parts should be left on the album as well. However, I think Ron won't have any real problems playing his parts live. He has a somewhat similar style and is very talented. I don't think Robin can pull all of it off but I'm sure Ron could fill Bhead's shoes.

this is a never-end story. alright and in 6 month we will hear that finck return to NIN because Axl pissed him off and that there will be a new guitarist and that he will re-record some guitar parts etc...WILL IT EVER STOP? :rant:
What's wrong with Axl??

who knows, but according to axl and alot of people in this forum, it is always someone else's fault. At some point, these delays have to be due to Mr. Rose himself.

This guy is the perfect replacement.   He's an amazing guitar player.  I listened to those MP3's, and there better than any of Bucket's solo bullshit.  I love Bucket, but let's get real:  his solo stuff is unlistenable.

He matches Bucket's skill, looks cool, and he clearly wants the job.

I think he'd be a great replacement for Bucket, and a great member of the band.  If of course, he has stage presence.  If he doesn't have an incredible stage presence, then I say no to him.

the question is not to know if ron thal is a good guitarist and if he is better than buckethead. Yes he is. but that's not the main point. The question is to know what's wrong in Axl's head to always find an excuse to delay the record again and again and again and again and again etc... >:(

Or, alternatively, he might just be telling the truth. Bloody GN'R fans, always seeing conspiracies everywhere. He might just want to end specualtion among his own fanbase, you know. The world doesn't revolve around GN'R...

SG

Axl doesn't need excuses as he doesn't owe this album to anyone but himself.

Actually he does OWE an album to the record company. There is this little matter of 13 million dollars that says as much. Unless he plans on writing a check out of pocket to cover all that(which I certainly wouldn't put past him), then he does owe an album to them. Axl loves contracts and litigious enforcement more than anyone in the world, maybe he should try fulfulling his end of the contract like he expects of everyone who works for him ???

I must say, the more I read about this guy and the more I hear, the more excited I get about him being in GN'R.

He update the newssection saying:

Yeah, and ONE MORE TIME time just to make sure *everyone* understands, GnR is considering me on guitar, I'm grateful, we're talking, no decisions have been made, it's up to Mr. Rose of course, I'll let y'all know whatever happens - thanks? :)

I actually hope you read this Axl. If it means anything: this is the guy you want!
And this is going to sound funny but... If I was as technically skilled as he is, I would be the man for the spot. But with this man around, I would somewhere want him to take 'my place'.

Here's to makin' the right choices!

Bests,


N ! 3 |(

I downloaded a little clip on his website, when he plays "Iron Maiden - Run to the hills" I think he sings good.

if Chinese Democracy is as far along as Tommy and Dizzy have said, and they are doing the mixing now, i doubt this new guitarist will re-record Bucket's parts.

 :D I don?t see keeping BH parts on CD disrespecting to the new guy, nor alienating him from the band.

The live and the studio always differ. He can show what he can do on tour to begin with.


 :D This guy seems to have a good taste in composing too. Is he the right one?

The clincher might b his personality- whether he and others hit it off well.

Try reading that part in context with the rest of what I was saying there and maybe it won't be "sketchy".? ::)

Do you really believe that Axl cancelled the rest of the tour to watch one basketball game?? :confused:

did i say that it was due to a basketball game? It was some circumstance surrounding axl's absence from the arena. All reports were that the band was there and ready.

Mr Bummblefoot is going to be an excellent addition to the band. His resume off the stage is cool as well. HEs going to fit right in with the guys. FOr those who were concerned about the band with Bucket not being a "band" your concerns have been answered.....

its gonna be fun

Speaking for myself, if I may,  here's part of an email I sent to Axl's manager after a long phone conversation we had, kinda reaffirming stuff we had spoken about, addressing past obstacles he said they've had. It's a little personal, as it was meant for Merck & Axl...

*******************************************************

Subject: YO!
Date: 8/13/2004 6:39:09 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: Bumblefoot
To: Merck.XXXX@XXXX.XXX

Heeeeeeeeey, a pleasure speaking with ya the other day  More info - I'm 34, don't drink, smoke or do drugs, no addictions, no felony charges, no illnesses or weird health stuff. Happily married for 8 years, no kids...

Musical stuff I can bring into the group - fretless guitar, synth guitar, lotsa vocals, songwriting, orchestra scoring. Can do it, but don't need to do it - perfectly content with shuttin'-up-and-playin'-my-geetar.

I'm a workaholic, never do anything half-assed and never forget how blessed we are to be able to bust our asses doing what we love. Other stuff I do - B.O.D. member of a nonprofit MS Research Foundation, teach music production once-a-week at a college in NY...

Nobody in the group would have the burden of being my musical "life support" - I don't freak over stuff or need to be in control... Done all kinds of tours under less-than-luxurious circumstances... can definitely handle touring.

*******************************************************

Left out text after the "..." as not to bore ya with redundant ramblings. So, that's what I think I can add to the group if called upon - more vocals, new guitar sounds, writing, orchestrating, solid work-ethic (THE most important thing), stability and they'd always have a *designated driver* - lol. And I eat the leftovers.


The guy is pretty cool for keepin ghis fans and the roamers inofrmed. If we want stuff liek this to continue I think we should refrain from bombarding him with emails and stuff liek that. Or being disrespectful on his board. Lets see how far this goes and Im sure he will continue to give us some tidbits.
I liek stuff liek this cause it shows what gnr is looking for as well. Cool stuff. ANyways lets not be dicks bout this.

This guy might be a good fit, if he does have to redo some parts for CD, lets hope he does them fast. I want the album by FEB

That part he said about orchestra scoring seems pretty interesting with the rumors from Marco Beltrami and more recent articles where its been said before that there is some orchestra stuff on the album. Seems like a pretty solid resume to me and Im sure Axl would be pleased with this guy.

A tour in about 5-6 months seems to be looking likely. I think they've looked for a guitarist for the tour but i doubt he'll record on the album.

And i thought Buckethead was talented...holy shit man, Bumblefoot is amazing player...he can play anything you throw him in his lop and do it better than any one.

Man Axl,  Bumblefoot is the man you have been looking for to have in GNR...this guy is gone shine with the rest of the band!  :hihi:


 :beer:

The guy is making a hard push, no doubt about it...I just wonder if management likes its candidates to be so..public...about negotiations.

Isn't Bumblefoot the band and Ron Thal the player?

I think so.....

i hope people are joking that they think that robin and richard could be the lead players.    what a laugh!
  i saw those guys in chicago, and neither of them could even pull off a simple copy of a drugged out slash
solo.   how hard could that be?  playing something note by note with just a hint of drunken emotion?

  only BH pulled it off live and i know axl must know that for sure.

robin is a stage prop rythm guitarists  and richard is a stork like semi rythm slacker.

i thought the R in Rio 3   with BH, robin and Paul were the chemistry,  and at least Paul was cute.
  us chicks like to see anyone cute, besides axl of course,   and the only close is Paul.
The old GnR had sex appeal,  and these clowns,  besides the blond Paul,  are mere sidemen

I just listened to the "Sweet child"-version. Jesus, how cool ist that? Makin' fun of a song (in a cool and respectful way), having fun playin' it live - and yet make such a fuckin' tight coverversion!

I mean hey - many Bands we know couldn't play this song so good even ih they tried it seriously. And in this version, it's done by the way, whhile makin' jokes!

Great.

I think you were drunk or on drugs that night, Richard n' Robin shit a giant fat turd on every solo they play from AFD n' YUI's, im not lyin'.
Im not a fag or nothin' n ' dont know whats good lookin' in a bloke but i thought Paul was pretty fugly, plus the cemistry in RIR III was...good but no way near as unreal without Richard!!!!

Thank You!! Richard and Robin have been doing a great job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Robin and Richard are the backbone of Gn'r. They Fuckin Rule  : ok:


and here's a video of the guy that i think is the best 4 Gn'R- Doug Aldrich Live with Whitesnake in Lisbon :)


http://www.ave.dee.isep.ipp.pt/~e990186/Music/Doug_solo.WMV

I'm really impressed, this guy rocks! Really fast and with felling!
But I would say that Axl wants a little bit or more wierd sounds and crazyness like Bucket and Ron. And this Doug guy is really more rocker - for what I saw. Like Slash...  :-\

I dont think axl will want anyone from whitesnake.
I think he wants an unknown.

yeah i know. but it's a shame. this guy rocks!
ron is cool to. i'd like to see how he works with the band  : ok:

my english is bad,but i hope you can understand my point...
1. i think Axl Rose want talented guitarists and musicans younger by them to make a Art of rnr(my expression of madagascar is that)
2.playing guitar in gnr is the same that play football in real or milan(so every normal man can see his life chance in gnr)
3.izzy stradlin said"wow man,axl saw that when we started",so if you got my point(axl know what he done)
4.with buckethead noone musicans couldn't have a chemistry(i like because he left gnr)
5.with new guitarist we won't see new album in 2005

Is there a link to this?

WHY???

because  he need a time to:
1.learn to play old stuff
2.learn to play some new stuff
3.play some old and some new stuff in his way
4.and probablly axl will give him some space to introduced hisselves

gilby learned the whole illusion tour in two weeks : ok:

I still cant see, this should take a year or so.... :no:

If he is in the band in november/december. He could learn all the stuf in a couple of month...

Can anybody here on board tell?? ???

Wow if this guy is in g & r im going to be pissed. Like we dont need another fucking gutarist.

If your going to have 2 Lead then fuck bring back Buckethead. Or how about you just fucking promote Richard Fortus to lead with Robin Finck, and just have good ole Paul "Huge" Tobias, come back instead of bringing more uneccessary new people into the band.

He could learn to play the songs quite quick. However we should not forget that Thal knows his way around the studio very (!) well. If his excellent production-skills are a big part of the reason why Axl wants him in GNR, I see him and Axl go into another phase of "fine-tuning" instead of touring and releasing an album in the near future.

Thal is the first serious candidate to replace Buck after quite a long time and again we see Axl going for a player who knows his way around the studio (just like Buck)...If Axl was just looking for a guitarplayer to get things started ASAP (release and tour) there would be a great amount of decent players to choose from.

-PEACE-

DemocracyRose, All I can tell is that some ppl always make the worse of anything. I estimate this Ron guy?s a quicker learner than Gilby.
And more, Tommy?s said their upcoming release is a collaboration of 8men that include 2 ex-es. BH and Gilby?


Me 2. :D I?m not a fan of conventional sounds.
2 me music rocks when it goes against established ideas. When it becomes conservative n defensive, it loses the shine n energy.

Don't jump the gun too much;

Firstly Ron is still, yet, to be accepted as a guitarist for gnr. Maybe there are other candidates? Maybe they will not hire anyone

Secondly, we do know the capacity in which he is going to be hired (if he is hired). It may be for recording work only

Thirdly, it doesn't take long to learn guitar parts. For a seasoned guitarist, it takes the same amount of time as it would a fan to remember all the words to an album. And I bet when CD is released, alot of people on here will know all of those words within a couple of weeks  :hihi: A friend of mine joined a rock covers band a few months ago. And he learnt the entire 90 minute set within 10 days. Unfortunately, they split up two months after he joined  :rofl:

Gilby Clarke did all that in 2 weeks back in 1991.

Well Mysteron, I for one hope that Ron does become the next GN'R guitarist.  He's talented and he seems like a straight-shooter, based on how open he is on his forum.

Hell, Joe Satriani vouched for him.  That alone speaks volumes to me.

Ali

I really really hope there is a chance they can bring Buckethead back into GNR.  : ok:

Axl Rose and Buckethead .. sigh .. after the first video they would be like the next axl and slash.  :beer:

The more I hear about this Ron Thal guy, the more I like him. I was a bit harsh at first, with a knee-jerk reaction to the SCOM pisstake, but that's just a bit of fun. From his easygoing attitude and his skills, and his open communication with the fans, I think Thal would be a great choice for GN'R.

SG

Until he signs his "gag order" ...  :hihi:

Neither Axl nor Slash will ever find another singer/guitarist to compliment eachother the way they did. When they were together and not at eachothers throats they were magic and played off of the other in a way that just can't be reproduced. Maybe easily imitated, but never duplicated.

The more I hear about them bringing anyone else new in the more I am disenchanted with this New  GNR. I've been a proud supporter of New GNR. But like if they bring in someone else new thats it, I'm done. Its a joke if they bring in one more person. Either bring back Buckethead, Tobias or no one else at all. Like what does this say to  Robin Finck, well your not good enough or well this is because you quit on me once, this is an insurance policy that you dont leave. Yet the guy has been loyal , Buckethead leaves.

Fortus better be the last guy to come on board. No more of this constant line up changes bullshit and constant delay of the album. If you need a fucking extra gutarist so bad then fucking play Axl, or have your buddy Paul without him there would be no more guns n roses come back. Enough of the bullshit.

Its starting to be Pink Floyd David Gilmour sad.

Bumblefoot was on the MTV show 'Made' before, I remember now. There was this guy who wanted to be the most popular kid in high school, and he played guitar, and for the talent show, they got Bumblefoot to come help him write a song. He was great, and very creative...

Yeah, but haven?t those comments performed the last rites over our Bucketful of fantasy enough?? :'(

"Buckethead is gone right?" -whatchamacallit
"Yeah." -Dizzy Reed
http://www.glam-metal.com/dizzyreed2.html
"Buckethead is an amazing guitarist" - whatchamacallit
"Too bad he's not an amazing person." -Tommy Stinson
http://www.longislandpress.com/v02/i37040916/music_aside_01.asp
:wave:

1 OCT - gotta update the Producer section of the site - done so many cool bands over the past year and need to get some clips and info online for ya's - will do that soon   :)    Yeah, and ONE MORE TIME time just to make sure *everyone* understands, GnR is considering me on guitar, I'm grateful, we're talking, no decisions have been made, it's up to Mr. Rose of course, I'll let y'all know whatever happens - thanks  :)

Bumblefoot is the player...kinda like this:
Bumblefoot = Ron Thal
Buckethead = Brian Carroll

Bumblefoot is a 'solo artist' but has his band backing him. However if he joins GNR I'm pretty sure he'll go by Ron Thal.

I had not read that stinson quote before. Really makes me kinda sad.  :no:

David's Pink Floyd was not sad. GNR's situation is beyond the point of sad.

Ron Thal seems like a really great guy and could be a good addition to the band, however I am afraid his openness with the fans has probably hurt his chance with GNR.  Ron's statements does seem to indicate recording is not done like Tommy has claimed. Adding a new member may just give Axl another excuse to continue recording.

LOL , thats all he needs!! Geez , even when he released he statemet about buckethead and rir4 he made a point of saying how this gave them a chance to further the recordings. holy geez.


but what I find so strange is the guitar players they seem to ask to join are so different ... last month it was billy morrison , a guy who claimed he cant play lead guitar .. now they want bumblefoot , a shredder type player?  ???

I think that billy guy was full of crap just like Ajax.  I believe Tahl because he like BH is a shredder, they need a person that has the same style of BH to play his parts.

If they absolutely need someone to play Buckethead's parts live... fine. This guy seems like he's up to the task. Just fed-ex him the music he needs to learn and directions to the first gig.

I will slit my wrists if this guy gets invited to the studio and we get some dumb ass press release from Axl that thanks to Bumblefoot's "inspiring input", he's decided to "take the recording level to the next level."

In response to someone else's earlier post- the fact that Axl has not met this guy is about the best news in the whole situation. This needs to be a "Gilby Clarke" type hire where they just told him that if he learned the tunes and shut his mouth... he MIGHT get to ride the GN'R gravy train for awhile. No offense to Bumblefoot- but that's the way this HAS to go down. :rant: Otherwise we're all fucked and will be sitting around talking about CD's release date in 2006.

Billy was absolutely legit.

And for the record he does play lead guitar, just more in a Steve Jones vein.  Also, he was not asked to join, just audition...

what an insufferable mess... :confused:

Like Bumblefoot said.."I haven't spoken with Axl yet."  Looks like he wasn't officially invited to the group by the main source, Axl Rose.  I've said it before and I'll say it again
BRING BACK BUCKETHEAD!!!!

BRING BACK BUCKETHEAD!!!!

YEAH, THAT'S TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No,NO,No with buckethead gnr haven't chemistry

of all the clips ive seen and heard of the new band,   the best combo by far was Bucket, Paul Tobias and Fink,
the Rock in Rio 3 video proves that all the way.    Bucket could take it beyond Slash with his solos,  Paul was more
rock solid as rythm guitar than both izzy or fortus (and was far more cute!),   and Robin had the new stage presence that hadn't been there
before,  even if his solos are so-so.   

But...........!!

bucket is long gone and never to be back, it takes no scientist to figure that out, so they still need someone who can play the solos at least as good as Slash,   and Robin is great as the second guitar and Paul was the strongest as rythm player.

i understand Axl's dillema in trying to fill this slot,   you guys seem to pass it off like a schoolyard gesture,  but this is some heavy
shoes to fill and i know that no matter who he eventually chooses,  that they will get the same treatment as bucket got when he
arrived.......... tarred and feathers!!

Hopefully whoever is hired is just there for touring reasons, NOT because they need to record.. They have three albums worth of material, who needs to do more recording?

arent you the one who is always complaining about GNr not being a real band?

Here's what Ron said about his cover of SCOM, on his board:

About that Most Precious Blood cover of SCOM...

OK, we're in the studio, I'm engineering my old friends doing their cover for a GnR tribute CD. We finish, it sounds great, now they each wanna take turns laying their own lead vocal on the stuff, for fun (*because we all know and love the song*) but everyone's a little shy. So I take the bullet and go first to break the ice and loosen everyone up (as the song is starting you can hear me sayin' "alright, who's gonna break the ice" - that's what that was referring to...) Then everyone else went, all was fine, everyone was happy, the end. I sent a copy of mine to my friend Joboj, for his pleasure. He aired it on None Radio, lol, I started getting requests for it, so I made the MP3 available.

But please know, I meant NO disrespect. But you're right, out-of-context, the song does sound like I'm making fun of *it*, rather than just making fun. I apologize to anyone that this pissed off, and thanks to axlssis & cb for lettin' me know how they felt and givin' me the chance to say sorry to 'em. Always better to be straight with people, good or bad.

Axl should hire this guy - if not as a guitarist, then at least as a communications officer for the GN'R camp. Seems pretty relaxed and nice AND he seems to have teh need to communicate with the fans - Guns N' Roses could definetly need this sorta input. : ok:

I will be the first to start this, bring back Tobias promote Fortus to lead. Simply solution. Period. :peace:

They aren't, that's obvious.. I said that because who needs somone to come and join the band to record /redo old material because esomeone left.. Also if there's three albums worth of material then what else would be recorded?

This is new gnr to me, gnr ended when all the core members left, these are just no name people axl is bringing along..They've lost a few members before they released their first album :hihi:

It's not that simple. I think Paul was there to write songs and work in the studio.



/jarmo

i was checking bumblefoot's forum! the guy is so fuckin nice! he even apoligized to gn'r fans that took his cover of SCOM the wrong way! we need such a nice guy like him in gn'r!
seriously this guy is heaven sent!

Although he seems to have a lot on the ball, his balls and attitude of mind toward the band is what I?m a little bit skeptical about.
I mean isn?t this comment a bit too yellow for a candidate to be a core member of GNR? I?m not saying he should've said bollocks like "Fuck Slash, I?m the better" but to bring up the original and state things like this is unnecessary cos it sounds like limiting new band.? Whereas they?re starting the new era it?s a spoiler.
 :-\

Although he seems to have a lot on the ball, his balls and attitude of mind toward the band is what I?m a little bit skeptical about.
I mean isn?t this comment a bit too yellow for a candidate to be a core member of GNR? I?m not saying he should've said bollocks like "Fuck Slash, I?m the better" but to bring up the original and state things like this is unnecessary cos it sounds like limiting new band.? Whereas they?re starting the new era it?s a spoiler.
 :-

Over analysis anyone?

"Over analysis" - Maybe....but you got to admit, Falcon, this guy does sound like a politican running for office.? :hihi:

Since this is about "Democracy" (albeit Chinese Democracy), I vote "NO" to Bumblefoot.

Next it'll be a guy named stammerface.....

Okay, Thal rocks. Hire him, Axl! Hire him now!

SG

Hopefully he is a good guy, hopefully whoever is missing gets signed quick to accomplish whatever is the next step in this endless wait.. You could have eight band members that are all nice, but if axl just continues to be like this (no info, a recluse, doing things without the band knowing) it doesn't matter how great the rest of the guys are..

Nice Boys Don't Play Rock N' Roll

As I said earlier in this thread, I've met and played with him before (about a year and a half ago) and he was very nice and outgoing. Cool guy all around. Doesn't seem like he's changed at all.

I really think he would be a great fit for Axl's new GNR. He deserves the spot. I wish Bucket was still in but shit happens.

I'm not digging Thal at all. I would rather Finck and Fortus moved up to leads than have corn populating our stage.

I can't be sure, but some songs just might need three guitarists, and the songs they want to tour with will need an addition to that ..

I'd feel better if I knew the guy was 1) going to be hired, and 2) that if not someone else was also waiting for a call back for the spot.. I don't want it to be like this guy doesn't make it then we heare nothing about this again for a while,.. We need to get the info on what exaclty is going on with the band and what they are trying to accomplish..

That's cool as hell that you've actually played with the guy and have some insight, thanks.

But..

What on earth has he done in his musical life to "deserve" the gig?

Just asking...

he did do a cover of SCOM. :o

By that, I pretty much meant that I think he's really talented and isn't some stuck up asshole who may try to start shit with Axl or something like that. Obviously Axl had some issues with Buckethead. Ron's playing abilities are just as solid as Buckethead's and he's a class guy who I think deserves some exposure. For example, most of you guys on here hadn't heard of him until this GNR thing came up.

Unfortunately though there will always be extremely talented individuals who never get noticed. Oh well...shit happens.?  :-\ :smoking:

Fair enough. 

He seems like an interesting guy who doesn't take himself too seriously, which I like.  Very cool.

Good luck to him.

OCT 5 - hey all. Regarding the GnR thing... here's the deal. I was contacted in late July first by Chris Pitman, then Axl's manager then their recording engineer. I was speaking to the 3 of them adding up to daily emails and phone calls, I was told I might be recording guitar parts in early September. Told the boss at the college I teach at that we might have to get a sub when the semester starts, told him why, all was cool. Didn't go blabbin' about it. Checked in with the camp weekly lettin' know I was ready when they were, no action for 2 months. By this point rumors started and by the end of September I was getting calls and emails congratulating me for joining GnR and for all kinds of twisted related stuff that wasn't true. It seemed like it was getting too widespread and creative, so I posted last week on this page saying "I'm NOT in GnR, we talked, no decisions, etc..." thinking it would clarify everything, no biggie. Wrong. By the next day, a whole lotta websites (without checking with GnR or me) posted the blurb and the whole thing got pretty bloated. 2 weeks ago I got an email where a guy wrote "I heard you jammed with Alex Lifeson - cool!" I never jammed with Alex Lifeson. So I wrote the guy back, told him no, never happened, that was that. Now, if I got 50 people saying that I jammed with Alex Lifeson, I'd put a blurb on my site saying "I didn't jam with Alex Lifeson." It was the same kinda thing. This wasn't a press release, nor was it an official statement from GnR and it shouldn't have been treated like one. My apologies to the GnR folks for any headaches this caused - was trying to squash rumors that I was *in* the band, not create new ones, hope ya see that. GnR fans are a cool passionate bunch. Now for somewhat of a retraction - got an unhappy call from GnR management today, he used the words "audition" and "session guitarist" on me. In the past two months I've only heard the words "replacing Buckethead" from their end, which I mistakenly believed meant replacing Buckethead. I LOVE my life and what I do musically. I LOVE the people in my life more than anything. I would LOVE to team up with GnR, have them in my life and make as much magic as we can. Upon request of GnR management, here's the retraction: "I'm NOT in GnR, I never was, I was being considered." By the way, I'm replacing Paul Stanley in KISS. Just kidding! lol Sorry - couldn't help it.

That kind of makes me feel bad for the guy.  Too bad his little statement got so far out of hand. 

This seems like a nice guy, too bad he won't be joining the band.

That September thing answers the people who thought the date Gn'R is shooting for (currently Feb/2005 it seems) could be delayed again because of him. It could be delayed, but not because of him.? :hihi:

Wow, I knew that was coming. Axl doesn't anyone who would rock his little world.  ::)

Is Gary Sunshine still working at that pornography store? Get him on the horn ASAP.

This is sooooo Guns N Roses drama...  The poor guy hasen't done anything bad..But the chances are smaller now, just because he was trying to end rumors, not increase them ..  I hope Axl understands this, and gives the guy a chance..

Too bad, Ron seemed like a very nice guy. This is fucked up.

I fully agree with you Will.

Bests,


N ! 3 |(

I also echo what Will said.  Hopefully, Merck and/or Axl will calm down and realize that Ron Thal was not trying to get publicity for himself, and he should not be held accountable for the media taking what he said and running with it.

If Ron is ruled as the guitarist by Axl and/or Merck because of this, I think that would be pathetic and petty.  He should be considered as a guitarist for GN'R based on his playing ability and whether or not he would be a good fit in the band, not by something like this where he had no bad intentions.

Ali

Agreed. It would be childish to fuck up all the negotiatons just 'cause Ron said something about it in his site. At least, he's good with his fans and tell what's going on in his camp, unlike GNR.
It's sad and I would be pretty pissed if all they will really end the talks with Ron.

Ron Thal is a very cool guy. do you think it's really over to see him in GN'R?

Well, if they asked him to put an official "retraction" on his site, yeah, I think it's pretty much it. That's too bad though... :(

Good lord the GNR people can be so uptight. If you've got the right guy then lock him up... don't make almighty secrecy more important than having the right person.

Maybe they had already decided against using him and hadn't told him yet.? If they didn't talk to him for 2 months, maybe they were talking to someone else.

Maybe they were auditioning others. It is clearly an unattractive publicity for one job candidate to claim he was offered the gig, when negotiations and auditioning with other players are still underway. I understand why Ron did it, but he clearly wasn't clear to everyone that he was only being considered. he threw around statements that the was told to lay down some tracks in september, he was replacing buckethead...blah blah blah. It has become clear that he was just one of several being looked at as a sessionist. Perhaps to strip off bucket's parts from the album, who knows.

That's a good point, and it's entirely possible. 

Another thing, I think it is rude an insulting to come back and say Ron was being considered as "session" guitarist and that he was asked to "audition", when he was asked to "replace Buckethead."  Ron wouldn't have any reason to lie about that.

Ali

maybe it was a clarification; Gnr has corporate stye of communication , namely one lackey makes promises that the CEO hears about much later and has to renege.

I still claim that we won't hear about a new guitarist until close to the release announemnet or tour just because they are holding onto hope that bucket will come back. I believe this is all insurance if he doesnt' return.

They were probably trying to be careful about what they said then, because they knew there was good chance it would be repeated. 

Ditto to Sterlingdog.

We don?t know the real reason why they changed the offer from "replacing" to "session".
And they haven?t flatly rejected him yet.

i think that by far the most disturbing thing out of all of this is that they are still recording. i thought that we were led to believe by tommy that the album was done and that it was being mastered soon. i'm not sure if you guys realize this but if buckethead's parts are being redone or even the simple fact that recording is still being done period, that means we aren't going to see the album for quite sometime. you can forget about early next year.

Upon request of GnR management, here's the retraction: "I'm NOT in GnR, I never was, I was being considered."

That's a "polite" way to say it, though.

From his statement it would seem that they had plans to record in september.  The fact that they didn't bring him in for this would indicate that they either didn't need to record anything or they brought someone else in to do the work.

In spite of the positive words from Dizzy and Tommy we're back in the situation of knowing nothing good and suspecting the worst on the current status of the album.

what's all tha fuss about?
Bucket "The Man" Head will return...
 8)

NO, never.

Hey Axl, I didn't know you was here in this board!  ::)
Maybe, there's still a chance to Ron... Maybe the GNR camp change its mind.

Only someone who missed what Axl, Tommy and Dizzy said about Buckethead or is a very naive person can believe he will ever play with Guns N' Roses again.

I love this guy - he does some crazy shit - he actually spoke about what was actually going on! - GNR need a guy like this!

@#$%Funker

So, no session is happening?

As I said earlier, I like his SCOM and I think his writing and his guitar play are really nice. So is his personality. And more, he seems practical. But I don?t like this not ballsy but bally comment. It could be easily translated as a statement the new can never surpass or pull even with the old. It?s a real bumble of him. On the condition that this was what he meant, no wonder the GNR camp had second thoughts about asking him to be in the lead guitar. Shame, he?s otherwise good. Or rather goody-goody? JIMO and over analysis.  :-\

Isnt that what his first statement was before it got out of hand? He said he is trying out for gnr and was asked to lay down some tracks.

You know we wouldnt have all of this bullshit if Axl or someone would give us some official news. Im getting tired of being kept in the dark and not knowing  when anything is going to happen. Axl has an official website fucking use it. Hey AXL this is 2004 you can communicate with you fans over the interent. It might be a garbage can but it can cover your ass when you an asshole or something happens in the band. (ie: Buckethead, Tour, CD and etc.) I wish we would start and get a little bit of respect of being a fan and get some information from guns.

Well, the "was", instead of "am" was a pretty clear indication that it's a done (un)deal. We'll see, I'd really like to see Ron in GN'R, but I don't know, it just doesn't sound good. I mean, do you know any current GN'R member who openly speaks to his fans via a message board on which he posts on a regular basis? He might communicate "too much" for the band/ management's taste.

Quite so. The reason rumors like this spread like wildfire in the first place is that fans are desperate for some scrap of news - any scrap of news. So they seize on things that get misreported and blown out of all proportion because there's no fucking word from the GN'R camp to say what they've been doing for the last twelve years. Ron Thal seems like a really nice guy, and he did the only thing he could do when faced with a bunch of people spreading rumours that he was in GN'R - deny it and state the facts of the case. Are you listening there, Uncle Axl? And just for telling the truth, those moronic suits over at GN'R headquarters come down like the fucking Hitler Youth on the poor guy.

Give Ron Thal a chance, Axl - he's a far better man than those dicks that are handling your PR...

SG

IMO if this guy is the best player axl can get, then he will be the guitarist no matter how much this guy talks. If he gets to  be an offical member I amsure axl will ask him until the album comes out, dont talk about what he going on in gnr.

I wish Bucket would get back in the band...he was the most distinctive new element of the latest lineup.  You didn't see people at Madison Square Garden dressed up like Robin Finck...no, they were all wearing KFC buckets on their heads.  Bumblefoot seems alright, but Buckethead was the coolest replacement Axl could have found for Slash.  When a weirdo in a white mask and a KFC bucket who talks through a hand puppet leaves the band...well, I guess we could say Axl is getting a little eccentric then.

I agree. he was the best new element of GnR.  I was really looking forward to seeing him shine; I believe we only heard a small taste of what he was to offer.

LOL? !!!? ? ?:rofl:? :hihi:? ?;D
That is a quote I'm going to use sometimes, if it's alright with you Mattman?

Only someone who missed the Robin departure and rejoin the band can say that. And Axl said some band stuff about it by that time...
I don't have any hope for Bucket's chance, but you never say never.  ;)

Fair point, although Axl (and others) has been more vocally displeased with Buckethead than he ever was with Robin.  However, I find these quotes interesting.

"Robin's departure was abrupt, sudden, you know, not expected...but at the same time, it's turned out to be a good thing. We've been able to push some of the guitar parts a step farther, that had he been here, it's not something that would have been considered..." - Axl (MTV, 1999)

"Guns will be moving forward and surprisingly (without giving away any details) this unfortunate set of circumstances may have given us the opportunity to take our recording that one extra step further." - Axl (Press Release, 2004)

 :-\

Do you imply that the album might see the light of the day in...2009? ;D

We can only hope...

Ok, now you scared the hell out of me.  :nervous:
I don't know how many steps further Axl needs to finish this damn album.  :no:

What! :o Finally I understand why many ppl are so bitter here.

on the one hand it gives hope to the ones who need hope in beliving that BH may return and on the other hand it gives hate to the ones who need hate in beliving that ChiDem will never come out...

 :D Ay, I never say never on both fronts. I say
 :yes: Yay, new album is definitely surfacing soon as it?s said.
 :no: Naa, BH come back is not surfacing, as long as there?re Nesquicks saying noes.
Bully for ya Nesquick! Bullies!

If thal is hired for the upcoming tour then I have a good outlook, it at least shows that something is being done.. Until anything is final, and what he will be doing for the band there is nothing much to say..

It would be the dumbest thing if he was hired 6 months later (or whoever else) to do bh's parts which could have been done months ago.. I definetly think it's for touring..

Close and delete - until factual info comes out - It seems like  we are scrambling for news

maybe the gnr camp wanted the Buckethead parts redone and they need a replace for him.
But for some reason they decided not to do and axl need now only a guitarist for the tour or maybe for some rehearsels.

/shotgun

I had read that chris brought, or suggested him to the group, just making sure this is true?? If it is then has thal memntioned ever speaking to axl, or playing for him? I just want to see if it was only suggested by chris and that axl is not even in the picture

thanks

From what I've read he has yet to speak to axl, which would sound ridiculous if it was any other band. But hey, this is GNR.

And yes this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion.... but we haven't hear shit from anyone for a while. WTF!!!!! I think axl went back into hybernation.

OCT 10 - hey all, quick update.  Scoring some music for a new TV show, laying guest spots on the new Freak Kitchen and Guthrie Govan CDs.

The Vigier limited edition Bumblefoot Swiss Cheese guitars will be available soon. There are only 10 of them, they will be auctioned, the profits will go to Multiple Sclerosis research.  More info soon   :)   Regarding any bands I might have been hooking up with, I've declined. (source bumblefoot.com)

Looks as though the search continues.....

I seriously doubt if this guy was ever asked to join GN'R.  A nobody guitarist like him would jump at the chance of getting a huge payday from GN'R.

If ignorance is bliss, why aren't you jumping up and down with joy?

-PEACE-

couldn't have put it better

and ron declined Gn'r Offer as a session Musician. he said it in his forum. i understand him completly.first he was replacing buckethead now he was just a hired gun...

Shit. How many other opportunities they will fuck up? It's really sad how this whole thing happened. I wish lucky to Ron and, for God's sake, to GNR's search for Bucket's replacement.  :-[

At this point, it'd be wise to wind down the replacement search...This is not quantum physics....There are bands who do not reproduce overdubs live due to a lack of 3 guitars...Hell, some bands even employ ghost players who stand stage-side, obscured from the audience sightlines, who replicate album parts...they're not hiring a CIA director...It's much more imperative at this point that they at least get out there....

I just read today that they reserrected Jimmy Page to play in GNR.

Jimmy Page is still alive einstein.  ::)

I just read that Bumblefoot had to turn down the job as being "someone to lay down tracks in the studio."  Looks like this guy is OUT of the picture for good.  The chances for a Buckethead return are looking better and better.

Guess the album still isnt finished as was thought. geez.  ::)

Yeah, as if they?d kept contact with Bumblefoot since July, geez.

Amen to Slipdisc n MeanBone, I can see him jumping up and down in ecstasy.

A yet to be known super gifted guitarist is an Ideal. Especially for a new deal of GNR which already enjoys a big name. A fresh n challenging guy is the best from every aspect. But the hardest to be found.

Oh well, anyhow this Bumbling occurrence told us GNR is/was on the right truck.

lets's pray for it. well, i don't believe in god but what a fuck up it would be if he is there above us and that he could have helped....amen!

I do .. his name? Buckethead.  :hihi:

Bring that chicken loving freak back!  I miss seeing him with GN'R already.  Hell I miss seeing GN'R at all.

why do ppl want him back he was only there for the publicity, he fucked us i could careless  if he came back

He's not coming back.




/jarmo

yes it's true,and i like that.
gnr need rock lead guitarist

I say Axl should try to get Ace Frehley in the band!

from bumblefoot.com


Well, there it is.

were there any other bands besides gnr?

It feels kinds sad, he seems like a good match!

Source?  ???

When Tommy says "Buckethead going away is the best thing that could've happened to the band", I'm not counting on the guy coming back.




/jarmo

"Buckethead going away was the best thing that could've happened to this band"

Is there any way that could mean getting his solo tour out of the way, as to not conflict with GN'R time?
(Just trying to be optimistic)

Does Mysteron have any information as to Buckethead's current status in GN'R?

I know Mysteron posted a while ago that Buckethead is still under contract.

Is this still true?

and now you expect Brain to work with guys that give such statement about his friend, the friend he is touring now and is in a band that will stay longer around...i don't care what Mysteron says about Brain and him coming back in january.

It's not what Mysteron said about Brain, it's what Brain told Mysteron. If you want to ignore what Brain said that's fine... don't expect others to do the same though.  : ok:

Well, people want him back because they know that he is the most talented guitarist this band could ever hope to have. Bottom line, Buckethead is a guitar phenom.

I trust Axl will put toghether the best band possible, although Buckethead MIGHT not be a possibility.

Who knows?

what did  briain say about BH again

Brain told Mysteron he's coming back to Guns N' Roses in January (or Feb, don't remember).

i wish he would bring buckethead with him. This band doesn't have the same appeal without him.

I will wait until I see them without BH to make a call.

geeez. did he go into more details? what did buckethead do that was so bad as to it being better that he is gone? without the back story it's hard to make sence from tommys quote.

There's an interview with him in another thread (ogg audio) where he explains this more.

Posted on this board?!

Yes, on this thread:
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=15619.120

page 7.

thanks.

i find it hard to believe that Bucket is a taker...otherwise he wouldnt work with the people that he does all the time

Ron Thal will not be the new guitarist after all. Sanctuary issued a press release today denying any rumor concerning a new guitarist: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=15933.0

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