Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I have been predicting this for quite some time, and the longer we wait the more likely it will happen.There is just too much hype and too much pressure for anything called 'chinese democracy' to come out. I believe that by next summer we will probably get a single. Most likely 'The Blues' since Axl will want to see if he can go mainstream once again. It will either be on a soundtrack, or in my opinion, a self titled EP with about 6 or 7 songs on it.And this EP wont be for us fans, but to satisfy his record company. And with an EP out in the stores, Axl can delay 'chinese democracy' a few more years. My EP theory isnt that far fetched. The hysteria after AFD is why Lies was released. They put out'Lies' to shut everyone up while they tried making 'Illusions'. I think the same thing may happen this time. And if the coming EP doesnt sell well, GOD help us all!! Cause if it doesnt sell well, we will never see 'chinese democracy'.

I really can't see that happening, but who knows.

That's why they released Live Era 5 years ago...

thats right

wow,  :o

step away from that crack-pipe...

sorry, but your theory is crap... it will never happen

I have been predicting this for quite some time, and the longer we wait the more likely it will happen.  You think :hihi:

I will die some day ,everything happens if we wait long enough..

It would be a dumb move to release an EP.  We have all been waiting for a stellar album and an EP would be a letdown. If Axl needs a couple more years to finish Chinese Democracy, he is more fucked up than I thought.

I remember when The Prodigy released singles at least a year before the album was out.

If GN'R was planning on releasing the album in early 2005, they could put out a single/EP before Christmas.

One studio track, add some live tracks and/or remixes to it.

Like this:

1 - New track
2 - Oh My God (Rock N' Roll remix) [for people who think Axl is too deep in the industrial genre ;) ]
3 - Rhiad & The Bedouins (Live in Las Vegas 2001) [it's probably not gonna be on CD anyway]
4 - New track (live in the studio or alternative version)
5 - Photo gallery [Robin could take care of this  8) ]

Put the new track on Itunes as well.


That would be a nice Christmas gift.  :hihi:


/jarmo

and GH this year  ;)

Cold Heartbreaker

Axl needs to release a single to generate some hype. Even if the record isnt finished, Axl needs to get some music out there. Even if Axl feels he doesnt need to do anything for anyone, for credibilitys sake, he does.

Thats how huge bands in the past (Beatles, Beach Boys, Jacko, Velvet Revolver) did it when they couldnt finish a record. Release a song that you have finished. It helps keep the pressure off.

I seem to be forgeting VR doing that. If you say they released set me free because they couldn't make a record im going to get really angry

jabba's not saying that they couldn't make a record, he's saying that they couldn't finish a record at that point in time.

Yea. VR release Set Me Free a year early because the record wasnt done yet, and wanted to get some interest for the band.

that is a damn sweet idea.

yeah Jarmo, something like that would be cool  : ok:

and in reading this thread I realized that for YEARS fans have been posting that "Axl HAS GOT TO do something... " and "Its now or never" and "If nothing comes out this year or its over" and "If Axl doesn't do this or that he is going to lose his credibility.. etc."  and so on and so forth

its funny cuz none of these things have come to pass!
no album yet
and its not over and its not "never" and Axl obviously still has his "credibility" intact in the industry and amonst the fan base because even the slightest whisper about this album gets attention

They didn't release lies to "shut people up".
They released it because GnR were a phenomenon,
and they already had the "Live like a suicide tracks"
completed, so it only made sense to capitalize on their
success. The band still toured extensively when Lies
was released, and was not just an EP to put out there
to kill time. I'm sure the record company didn't have any
idea how long it would take to get illusions, nor did they
realize GnR wanted to release 2 separate CDs at that
time, either.

After 7+ years ofm aking, it'd be high time for Axl to release the album. No fucking bugles please, release the album.

i don`t think that they`ll release something like an EP or a single to make people shut up. Last time they wanted to make people shut up, geffen released the greatest hits.  : ok:

axl in London02:
"you'll get 18 songs and about ten extra tracks" hmm... ::)

hopefully there aren't 18. i want some epic ones!

a movie soundtrack would be cool, like "you could be mine" in 1991 for T2. The Illusion albums were released a few month after. and the impact was phenomenal...
good idea  :peace:

I don't think an EP will come out anyway. A full length cd will come out eventually, whenever that is  :nervous:

A song in a movie soundtrack would be cool. If the movie is big and the song is good (I'm sure of that one), promotion would be easier.

axl wont release an EP. he`ll wether release a full album or nothing (it seems like he decided to release nothing...)

If CD ever comes out... it will probably be the result of Axl losing some legal action and the label forcing it out OR Axl's estate deciding to release it after his death.

Those of us with grandiose dreams of GN'R World Tours and MTV videos need to get our heads checked. I don't give a sh!t  what Stinson or Reed have to say.

Since The Blues, Madag, Rhiad are several years old now - and if the "big guns" quote was actually true . . . wouldn't it make sense for Axl to:
Release an album like Lies.
Put the three songs mentioned above on it, throw in Silkworms I guess, then the other side could be live songs, or covers or whatever. Oh My God, the sweet child o mine version from Big Daddy.

Then over the next six months they could release two singles and two videos - Blues and Madagascar.
One video could just be the typical concert footage, then let Finck or Stintson do something creative for the second video.   (That way Axl wouldn't have to be involved until he saw the final product and wouldn't have to spend his time with the video).

That way, Axl could still spend all his time FINISHING Chinese Democracy . . . but the band would be building up new fans, getting old fans interested again, and building things up for the release of Chinese Democracy.

If they had did this in July of this year, wouldn't you be a happier camper right now?

Sure a studio release of those songs would be cool like lies until the album comes out, plus waking up the fans..

I honestly hope that the songs they did as boots AREN'T on the new album, we've been hearing those for years n years now, why would I want dated material?? I want cd to be ALL NEW MATERIAL.. At least a sperate disk..,.

I'd love to still here Maddy, The Blues and Chinese Democracy studio versions so it would be refreshing for those songs but I can see whatcha mean by dated material I'm sure Axl has thought about those songs being dated and tweaked his sounds for it

They only sound dated to the people that listen to them over and over. That can only be a few thousand, to the rest of the planet they will sound new.

No, I think an EP would be a good thing. It's a much better alternative to not releasing anything for ages.

a single would make me happy! Just a Studeo track!

It would just be sooo great!  :drool:

im all for an EP, it would only mean it's a giant build up the ultimate : ok:

right now i'd take a kick in the nuts if it meant we were closer to getting Chinese Democracy.

well hopefully he first single will take the form of an EP anyway , 3 or 4 songs.
But if this were to be used as a stopgap measure like Lies was, I would be very dissapointed.
as far as The Blues, Madagascar and CD go, they should def be on the album. Sure we've had boots for ages, but I feel these could be huge studio songs - imagine the layering and texture of those songs, not mention a polished,pristine voacal performance.

As far as Rhiad and Silkworms go - they sound like B-sides or bonus tracks compared to those other  3

I'd take one in the nuts and one in the skull...anything thats a new studio cut with that shiny star logo on the cover is fine with me! : ok:

We have discussed this EP thing for a few times...

I don't want any EP. Axl should release the album after all this waiting. An EP would only delay CD for other 4 years. At least.

well, GnR played Don't Cry, Back off Bitch and KOHD years before they officially releases studio version of it, so what'S the big deal? we know those new songs for 3 years now, the others date back to 1986 (5 years before UYI) and it was fine with us, wasn't it?

Its a great idea!!

Maybe Maddy and Blues are old to us, but sure not to the public...

yeah! no one would understand the photo gallery though.... ;D
and why not release the studio version of Rhiad if it's not gonna make the album? that would have been my choice for sure! :yes:

agrre,we will never see chinese democracy,because new gnr album will call "everyone shut the fuck up"

That is true, but they also gave us alot of other songs with it, we got like 30 songs.. I knew kohd more then I knew the others when they came out, plus back then we weren't starved for new material..

an ep would piss me of, i would like an overdose of new official gnr media :drool:

I have to diagree there - the wait for the Illusions was a long and delayed one, i for one was very startved for new material at the time - perhaps moreso than this time even though it's been longer this time, theres still that uncertainty factor regarding new lineup

true but they were alos touring back then, now they are doing nothing.. since 98 when they started till now how many shows have they done..? Go back and see what they did touring wise with the original group..

I can wait for an album if they do other things to enjoy..