Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Let's try this & see how it works.

Here's where the discussions about your choices should take place. Kinda like Jarmo's done with the polls thread.? If you want to talk about Jon Bon Jovi, james hetfield, Vince Neil...let's do it here.

The reason I'm doing this is because sometimes it does take weeks to get over one round, so in order to keep the voting simple and fast, I've decided to try this instead.

OK, so I guess I'll jump right in, even though voting hasn't really officially started and say ...  :rant:  how could you forget about Rob Halford?   :rant:

Rob Halford is a close call. Although, I think he is disgustingly good at singing, he was also a big part of the 70's. Well, I guess they were big in both decades. You're right, forgeting Rob Halford is a crime. Im gonna go edit my addition.

Another question is how can you not include Sebastian Bach? I'm sorry, I can't put this in a more polite way. How can you not include Bach?!! The man is a vocal titan, can sing circles around 95% of the people who were nominated, has great presence to him, and posesses that rock n roll aura. Sure, he might be an incredible asshole at times, but he has some of the best vocals EVER. I can think of very few frontmen in the last 20 years who even come close to his ability.

Seriously,  look at all the famous rock frontmen in the last 20 years. Who can honestly come close to Bach's singing? Halford, ok. Dio, fine. But who else? Very little, that's who. You may not like him, but you can't deny the fact that as far as techincal ability goes, he is one of the best of all time.

Now I hear you saying. Captain Obvious! techincial ability isn't everything. And you are partially right, grasshopper. But it's not something you can just overlook. It is one aspect which is not truly subjective, whereas others are.

Captain:  I agree that Sebastian is awesome.  I didn't vote for him... and I should have, I was too busy wondering why Rob Halford wasn't on there.  The man is amazing. 

Not only that, but I met him.  LOL

I lived in Reno at the time of the "just do it" trial when Judas Priest were accused of having subliminal messages suggesting that their fans blow their brains out with shotguns.  (Since the message was "just do it" does this not also mean that Nike is guilty of blantantly suggesting that people blow thier brains out with shotguns?)

OK, so I am going to go change my vote to include Sebastian... and also to include Ronnie James Dio.  I can't believe I forgot him too.  He may be short, but he has amazing vocal talent.

you're right - I love his songs.  cant believe I forgot him  :-[

Now I'm wondering if I should replace Michael Hutchence with Dio...

Also, the Freddie Mercury/Steven Tyler thing is tricky.  If we're going by the decade that the frontman first became a public figure, then I need to change my list.

i kinda agree it should be the decade where they were most famous


sebastian bach doesnt qualify for me cause he is just a singer and he was on the 90's

steve perry sang as well as sebasitan, that motherfucker can sing.

sebastian to me wasnt as versatile as say axl rose, bach could cream like no ones business but he didnt really have the different dynamics and range as axl.

its the same argument as slash vs buckethead

bach can sing technically better than say jon bon jovi but i much prefer jon's voice to bach's. jon's voice has that emotional quality that i could listen to him sing anything, bach gets annoying after a few songs, kind of like shredder guitar players, the novelty is cool for a couple songs but it quickly wears off on my ears.

frontman to me means the whole spectrum and sebastian wasnt a writer, he sang songs that others wrote
same goes for vince neil, vince had a few writing credits like sebastian but i think the other frontmen who had more significant roles in their bands should get nods above dudes who sang very well.

shit on jon bon jovi all u want but he wrote or cowrote every bon jovi song ever made except one "she dont know me"

Frontman to me is different than a lead singer.

David Lee Roth i dont think was much of a singer or writer but damn he was entertaining and probably? more copied than anyone in the 80's.

of course im for jon bon jovi and if he doesnt at least make it to the final 5 or 6 im gonna be greatly pissed off.

I know he wont win *im sure some of u will vote him off just to spite me* but please no prejudice when judging, please give him his due and i dont wanna ruin his chances.

I didn't nominate Prince, because it's hard to think of him as a frontman.. he's just Prince :) Otherwise he is without a shadow of doubt in the top-3 artists of the 80s.

Yeah..I admit it, I forgot. I came up with that list in about 10 minutes ( some names I had to look up though) I knew somebody was gonna bitch me out for forgetting such and such... ;)

However, never been a fan of Judas...


About Bach, I don't dislike him, but I see him more a part of the 90's.

I agree, but a lot of people voted off Bach in the 90s Survivor claiming that he's so 80s...

Being a "frontman" has nothing to do with writing ability, that is musicianship.  A frontman is about stage presence and entertainment value.  Which is why, in my opinion, eddie vedder has no business being called a "frontman"  -- a singer, yes... maybe even a good singer (although I don't like him, but that's another discussion)... but, not a frontman, because all he does is stand there and look at his feet and sing.  He doesn't have stage presense or charisma onstage.  I'm sure that this comment can be, and probably will be, disputed.  But it's my opinion, and it's one that comes from having witnessed them onstage.
I'm going to vote off Bon Jovi not to spite you, but because I think he sucks.  It's not all about you.   :)

I've seen Jon in concert too, and if we are going to talk about frontmen, and their entertianment value... Sebastian Bach is vastly superior to Jon. 

I don't think you have to be a fan of Judas Priest to recognize Rob Halford's talent.  Again, if we are going to talk about entertainment value... Rob Halford has amazing stage presence... he commands the attention... when you go to a Judas concert, you don't even realize that there are other people on stage... he's just that good.

 ??? bach not 80's?  I understand his biggest hit album was released in 89(?)   but the band, promo, singles, videos I think is from the 80's run & how quick the run was. If you put skid row 90's, then thats where Ax.l should be.

18 & life was ranked up top in the charts in 89. The band is a product of 80's hair yelling marketing.  but I guess it is a close call, but if I voted for Bach = I'd keep him in higher ranks for 80's & then quickly vote him off for 90's.

- General BP

Yeah that was crazy he did better material in the 90s and much more as well.  Anyway i thought the rules where that nobody could be in more than 1 survivor and if so [i could be wrong] why are so many nominating Bach?

I really hope you don't mean vocal range.

Besides being extremely talented techincally, I think Bach can convey emotions as good as anyone else.  I can't listen to him for a long time though, I get exhausted.

And I think that, if there ever was a decade which can be associated with Bach, it is the eightees. He was still awesome in the ninetees, but, like previously mentioned, their biggest hits were in the late eightees.

Bad Typo: 

I don't usually participate in these "survivors", but michael Hutchence is the iconic 80's frontman.

difference with bach is every song sounds the same to me

his voice is like one thing and it gets bland, i could never listen to more than 3 or 4 skid row songs in a row.

axl has like 3 or 4 different types of voices and he keeps interesting

its like bach has one melody or something he sings and although he can SCREAM *sorry :hihi:* like no ones business and has a high octave range, he gets very very annoying to me, plus he was replaced

i think a top frontman should never be able to be replaced in a band. if that frontman is gone the band is over.

i saw skid row open for Kiss and i had no idea it wasnt sebastian, i just thought he got a little fatter or something.

u could never see bon jovi performing without Jon and some of these other bands.

a million people can scream but very few frontmen are Icons

Jon i think is one of the few 80's frontmen who is an absolute undisputed Icon internationally.

when Jon was filming the movie U-571, his costars talked how he couldnt even go to a movie with the cast or go anywhere and this was like in switzerland or somewhere oh but let me guess its only cause he is *good looking* i forgot, how silly of me, he cant play guitar worth shit, cant play piano worth shit, cant sing worth shit and cant write a song worth shit, has NO charisma at all but he's so good looking millions of people see his picture on an album cover and fork over 20 hard earned dollars just for 2 photographs of him in a book *slaps self* what are they thinking??people selling out every arena and stadium just so maybe Jon will turn around and they can see his ass! *slaps self again* this is amazing that a man can be this good looking he can fool everyone into making him one of the richest men in rock history! thank his parents and God for his body,hair and cheekbones, boy or he wouldve never made it!? ?*sarcastic mode off*

You are right that Axl has about 4 different voices, but it has nothing to do with this survivor. And like you can't listen more than 4 SR songs because you're getting bored the same happens with me listenin Bon Jovi, so it's only a matter of taste. And this 'repleced' thing isn't good at all: Bon Scott was replaced, Ozzy Osbourne was replaced and now even Jim Morrison and Freddie Mercury are replaced. It doesn't change anything about the singers' quality. When Axl wanted to quit GN'R the band was in talks with Sebastian Bach - had Bach replaced Axl you'd have thought Axl is a worse frontman?

point being if black sabbath played a show without ozzy u would immediately know it wasnt ozzy, u would know it wasnt axl or any of those other frontmen

but i was a skid row fan for years and had no idea that wasnt sebastian bach he look similiar and sounded exactly the same.

no one could sound like ozzy or axl or freddie mercury or jim morrison and the doors and queen are idiots for going on without freddie and Jim i think its one of the most horrible things in music history

u cant call yourself the doors and queen aint brian may the drummer and whoever

i think its deplorable carrying on without freddie and Jim

sebastian is one of the best rock screamers ever though, no disputing that

but the one guy who is comparable to sebastians virtuoso is Axl and i was just pointing out that Axl had the whole package unlike Bach who sounds similiar on just about every song.

Well I like Axl better because he is a better songwriter, more interesting, has more depth, etc, whereas Bach has always relied on someone else's songwriting. But I have a lot of respect for Bach's techincal ability and, while I really like Axl's voice, I think Bach is a much much better singer, as far as ability is concerned.

But I understand what you are saying, Axl may not be as good of a vocalist, in terms of techincality, but is more unique, recogniseable, stylish, etc.

I'd just say that's poor observation on your part i saw the new band live and they were great but the guy's only likeness is the fact he has long hair aswell and his vocal range is nowhere near as good.  Also how could any Skid Row fan find Bach's voice annoying after a few songs?  Skid Row fan for years.........yeah sure ::)

why the fuck are everyone voting off bret micheals first round?


i love the slave to the grind album but thats theonly album i can listen to start to finish

i broke my "subhuman race" cd out a month ago or so and i only made it through about 2 songs.

Bret Michaels rocks, it's stupid voting him out and why is Bach in this, i thought people could only enter 1 survivor, and Michael Monroe should be in this to...motherfuckers!!!!!!!

D, you're having a fixation on Sebastian Back and Skid Row...

I almost choked on my macaronie when I saw Bret Michaels in this. Seriously, what the hell has he done, except suck some serious monkey schlong?

Well... he might have also sucked some huge floppy donkey dicks too.

On another note ... how could people be voting off Max Calavera?? Go back and listen to Roots!? Damn You!? (http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/ruinkai/grim.gif)

Yep - I wouldn't vote out Max until way later myself.....Roots was 90's though.....  And D - there is no personal vendetta against Bon Jovi here, I really just never liked his style, presence or music.

In  other words, he sucks!

i have voodoo dolls of u two on order and they should arrive shortly!!!!!!!!! :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

 :rofl:

You already inflict pain with your every lustful bon jovi post.

i think jon bon jovi's voice was awesome in the 80's, although its got worse on more recent albums and its probably the same with axl.

but who decides who enters?  Us or Chinasky?  I didnt nominate Bach in the 90's survivor so I feel entitled to do so for this round. 

I love Bret Michaels. Does that make me a bad person? I think no.  :hihi:

You mispelt the word "so" at the end there.

Everyone's a comedian around here.? :hihi:

I love Bret and Poison and I have no regrets about it.? ;)

I'm disappointed that Bryan Adams didn't make the cut. He's my Canadian hero.

ive had my suspicions and worries about u and now u have relieved all doubts :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

That comment cuts like a knife. That's ok though, 'cause I ain't lookin' for nothin' but a good time.

more evidence of my suspicions!

honey "Id Die for You"but You Give Love a Bad Name"!!!!!!!!!!!! :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Random, Stoned:

Bach entered the survivor cause he was amongst the nominees who received the most nominations

The same poster can't nominate the same frontman for more than one survivor. But if you didn't nominate Bach in the 90's survivor, you are entitle to do so now.

The only frontmen who can not be nominated are Cornell and Reznor as they won the previous rounds.

 :rofl: :rofl:

you are one of the funniest peeps I ever come across on forums.  There was something you said in 90's survivor too that made me spit up my food laughing (yeah pretty gross) .....   I needed a good laugh  ;D

-BP

Who me or Kevorkian?

Be careful when you spit up your food, clean it out of the keyboard really good, otherwise your space bar will stick, and this is really irritating when you're trying to type out serious, thought provoking posts.

you? have a fan haha.? Now that I think about it.... it might have been in the AIC thread too, but I can't find the exact quote.

anyways....   I think it was during your 'definition of cheesy' post's. you had a couple ......  funny because we were on the same brain wave & you portrayed my thoughts in a very pleasing manner  ;D   O well, I'll shut up now

-BP

Oh... a fan.  are you that guy who keeps sending me "love letters" in my email that say "blow your load on these teens?"

 ;D   I'm not sure if it's even legal for me to respond to that.....   so for once I'm speechless  :-X

You Two bon jovi haters rent a room and yes i think biboy :hihi: :hihi: tied up *tied down up against a wall* and suicide doctor :hihi: all share the same brain!!!!

quit hatin on my peeps! :hihi:

also eat before u get on the computer!

why? do I have something in my teeth?  :hihi:

That was last night's dinner.  Tonight we'll all share the same Stomach Lining Stew.  Care to join us?

To the people voting off Calavera...Have you seen the guy on stage?

I haven't personally, I know how the guy looks but never seen him performing.

I'm just curious to see what reasoning is behind your votes...anyone?

I have never heard him/seen him/heard of him/known how to spell his Band's name/etc.

So, I'm skipping this round.

wot about Dave Mustaine-Megadeth!!!!!!!!!!! :-*

I'm with Captain O.  I changed my vote like 3 times because of this to be a bit fair. At first I voted him off just because many people don't even know the dude including myself.  I don't even remember who I ended up voting for, but count it I guess.

blah blah blah.....

Instead of skipping the vote, you should just vote someone out that you KNOW should get out... like Bon Jovi.

The voice of reason -  yes ..... why yes  : ok:

people who would vote off Jon over some of the crappy front men on this list have a personal vendetta against Jon and arent playing the game fairly.

to say some of these guys were a better performer,songwriter or influence in the 80's is just ridiculous.


anything less than a top 3 to 4 finish for Jon will be an injustice just like the horrible 90's survivor.

I've heard Sepultura albums and seen videos. That was more than enough for me.

I just posted above that I wanted to be fair & is why voted like 4 times. of Everybody I know on that list, BJ has got to go for by the time he came into the picture.....? He was already done? :P Early 80's Motley Crue deserves more credit.

personal vendetta ?? http://www.gunsnroses.us/audio/fun/GUNSNROSES.US_Axl_Rose_Insulted_Being_Called_Powder_Puff.mp3

-bp

 ;D

I don't have a personal vendetta against Jon (or anyone else for that matter)... I don't know Jon personally, so how can I have a personal vendetta against him?

My only problem with Jon Bon Jovi is... well.. how do I put this exactly?  hmmm... Looking for the right words, so as not to be misinterpreted, or have my words twisted or misconstrued in any way...

Ok... got it...

Jon bon Jovi Sucks.  He sucks great big, floppy donkey dicks.  It's nothing personal.  The only way it would be personal is if I actually had a great big, floppy donkey dick that Jon sucked.  Then... I might actually like Jon.   : ok:

Funnily enough, last night he was playing at the Key Club in LA with his new band called Soulfly (or something).  I did catch a glimpse of him.


I'm just not a fan of shouting death metal type music.

Time to bring this thread back since most of you are using the other one to discuss whether you would date a hot chick regardless her musical preferences  :P

Bach...he belonged to the 90's survivor...what did he do in the 80's?

Yeah - I didn't mean to post that in the other thread

D, Skid Row released only ONE album in the 80s, so 3 hit singles in that decade isn't bad.

speaking of a bon jovi obsession...  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:  OMG!  D is so funny, I'm cracking up here.  He probably has a poster of bon jovi tacked to his ceiling above his bed. 

thats my point Bach is a 90's survivor, fuck Anthony Kiedis didnt make the 90's cause he was in the 21st century survivor and he was THE frontman of the 90's


but fuck it im through arguing its pointless, so next round everyone have a great laugh and vote Jon off before people like dave mustaine.

i am bias i guess wanting Jon to stay around but you guys are even more fuckin biased voting him off this early

whether u hate him,despise him or whatever

fuck this game


while all of you are voting him off in front of people who cant hold his mic stand, he will still be one of the only 80's frontmen kicking ass and still relevant and around today

so u all can have your bullshit FANTASY LIST

cause the reality list remains Jon is the best 80's frontman still around today!

I don't care who;s going before or after Jon. All I know, Halford and Bach better be the last two.

what did bach do so special?

wow he can scream


Jon vs Sebastian

vocal range sebastian
musicianship Jon
songwriting Jon
stage presence Jon
stage energy   draw
attitude sebastian
most famous Jon
more copied Jon


but it doesnt matter anymore

while u all vote off Jon i can take comfort in knowing that he will put out records for the next 15 years and i can still see him tour in an "arena" whereas most of these other guys are irrelevant and buried.

More to add to the above list:

Didn't serve cheese with his whine - Bach
didn't sing "livin' on a prayer" - Bach
Who, if I were a groupie, would I rather drop to my knees for - Bach

And of course, the all important...

Best Looking Bulge - gotta go with Bach on this one too... If you don't believe me, just check out http://www.metal-sludge.com/main/index.php?module=subjects&func=viewpage&pageid=381&POSTNUKESID=b5158a4a27827ef34ecedbc725176be0?



Bach wins.? ?:peace:

Edited to repair typo.

 ;D

Yes, the man can scream. But, the man can also sing. And by sing, I mean he can sing circles around Jon.

 Musicianship goes to Jon? I don't know, Jon can play piano, banjo, millions of instruments, etc, but I'm rating him mainly as a singer.  He might be pretty good at many things, just like many people who can play many instruments. Bach is outstanding, even if it is at one thing. That one thing is what sets him apart from practically everyone. Unlike Jon and many others, Bach is an actual singer. Not a guy with a microphone who can hold a note.

Stage presence goes to Jon? I don't see that but ok...

How about Live performances? Bach can nail live performances.

More famous...yeah I'll give you that. DOn't rally see how that's relevant.

Most copied. Yeah, because people can actually copy him. Same argument was mentioned fro Vedder. Its a lot easier to immitate these guys that Halford or Bach.

Well, I know that Jon might put out records, and people will buy them. He might be more relevant than some of these guys, you're right. But he will never be as relevant as Halford or Dickinson.

I really want to know who you guys think copied jovi :???:? If anything, it's the other way around.....? In there prime, he was just another "Pour some sugar on me" & even know that I don't care for Def Leppard, They did it first along with other bands. Jovi is such a poster boy of a late 80's commercial hack.?

I'll say the words "Real" Rock/Metal fans in NJ would beat up dudes who would have worn a jovi shirt back in the day IF that happened haha  believe me, but the older dudes would do it out of lessen. All I know is the Metal/Rock diehards (the older brothers all over that I seen) were outraged by bands like jovi & these diehards were listening to most of those guys in the list. So I'm not going to deny those Jovi band haters there history. I love how part of the promo was that there was support for him out of new jersey.

Early 80's has such a deep history cuzz it wasn't commericalized as much. then again I grew up in a tuff part of Jersey when jovi first hit the scene. but then even in the late 80's, the diehards werent wearing his t shirts, back patches etc....? ? maybe a few girls. my only point is that I think D thinks they were so loved & influenced by a mass of people who actually knew something about MUSIC

I just don't get how he is relevant. He sure don't give a falk about his home state unless he is paid. Can't say the same thing about Bruce

whatever... like I'm even scratching the surface - I aint going to write a term paper.? ?so I guess just tell me who copies his act?? who cares Im going to bed. & if any comeback is going to be said about what was "cool",? zipp it cuzz you missed the point then. cuzz the major point is that the diehards seen right through the swiss. & many of us are products of early mass music production shit.
-bp

Jon isnt popular in his home state which is why he can sell out Giants stadium in New jersey 2 nights in a row

maybe u and your circle didnt get into Bon Jovi but im sure the rest of the state loves him and is very proud of Jon.

Bon Jovi are an unbelievable live band, the live versions are better than the studio versions.

I know Jon can come as close to singing with Bach than Bach could tryin to match Jon instrumentally.

Livin on a prayer is a great anthem that means a lot to so many people, why would u diss that song anyway?
Jon has stage presence where no matter where he plays he is known and can hold crowds regardless of size in the palm of his hand.

u think if the members of bon jovi grabbed another singer they could still open up for other bands?

Skid Row's new singer does a great job of imitating Bach, sounds just fuckin like him.

but im through arguing with people who cant see the difference in Jon Bon Jovi and these other people on here.

I can see the difference in Jon vs. the other guys (most of them) on the list... Jon SUCKS and the other guys don't suck (at least, not nearly as bad.)

My above post ^ was a joke, btw... for those of you who didn't get it.  I find so much humor in D's Bon Jovi worshipping posts that I felt that  Bach needed a bit of the worship too.

All joking aside, Bach doesn't just scream when he's on stage.  He's fucking amazing.  He has amazing range.  As far as singing talent goes... there is just no comparison... Bach is a thousand times better than Bon Jovi could ever hope to be.

Musicianship, as Captian Obvious pointed out, isn't just about being able to play instruments... its about being able to play your instruments well.  You might be able to play a dozen different instruments, but if you don't play them well, it doesn't make you a fine musician.  I'd rather have someone who knew his/her one instrument well enough to be considered a virtuoso than to have someone who knew how to play six different instruments but played them all with mediocre ability. 

In other words, Bach's instrument is is voice.  His vocal ability is far superior to Bon Jovi's.  So even if Jon can play several instruments, he plays them average at best, and his vocal ability is average at best as well. 
 
Also... being more famous and selling more albums DOES NOT make you an excellent artist or the best "frontman"... it just means that you're mainstream, commercially acceptable.  Britney Spears sells a lot of albums, it doesn't make her a great musician. 

Jon Bon Jovi is to the 80s music scene what Britney Spears is to today's music scene.  I see little difference in the two, except that one is a male and one is a female.  Other than that, not much difference. 

Ping!!! Britney did pretty well herself in East Rutherford  ;D


I got the foking flu bad - somebody made a voodoo doll of me, wrapped me up in a jovi magazine & flushed me down the toilet. curses

(http://www.folkart.com/voodooshop/a8.jpg)

yea I'm weird & sick.....      Did you know they actually sell this thing ----- $55

For anyone who cannot see a world of difference between Sebastian's voice and most other frontment, I don't know what Skid Row songs you are listening to. If you can, please listen to Wasted Time.

Captain..? I like Bach !? I didn't care for skid row without him. I was a fan & owned CD's from when they first came out..... my first impression was that he had a beautiful voice. The "I remember you" song he nailed with awesome vocal range that made me shimmer when I was younger. 18 n life brought me in too.

I still have a respect for him as he is still the same ol' well grown of course.? & for a singer with recognition to be currently excited & rejoicing how he jams out in a little room with 'no name people' gives him big points. He still lives on the whole band grinding process thing. His band lives at his house & his wife does the books & manages. He lives for the shit everyday. When I seen that little special on him recently...? I was surprised.

b;p

i told u fuckers i bought voodoo dolls of all u bon jovi haters.

Jon and Britney?

hmmmmm

lets see she doesnt write

Jon has wrote some of the biggest rock songs ever so that was a totally crazy untrue point.


let me ask  u this

if Bach had to write his own songs where would he be?

answer: on broadway   holy shit he was!


Jon is a more complete performer than Bach. he doesnt play mediocre, he may not be a virtuoso but he plays everything proficiently.

6 instruments proficiently is better than 1 instrument virtuoso.

plus add in Jon's songwriting ability and i think its a pretty clear cut victory.

All jon can write is recipes for cheese.  Sappy, soggy cheese.  Moldy cheese.  Cheese that stinks.  Cheese that gives yeast infections.  Cheese.

Just remember, it's only Rock N' Roll. 

Bach is a better singer by FAR and Skid Row's music is much more aggressive and socially relevent than BJ's. Broadway singers are some of the most talented in the world. They don't have production to hide their bad voices. They either fail or excel. Bach excels.

I just don't understand this whole Sebastian vs. Jon argument. Both are among the biggest frontmen of all time, JBJ is more of a songwriter, while Baz is an awesome singer and showman. The only thing I can't understand is why Mustaine is still on the list? That man can not sing at all.  :no:

I like more Cure songs than Megadeth songs, so I voted Mustaine out over Robert Smith.  I see people voting off Vince Neil, and I dont know why - he was huge in the 80's and the Crue put on great shows.

I think we all prefer different aspects of a "frontman".  Which is the most important: vocal range, showmanship, songwriting ability, their off-stage antics  :hihi:, or something else?

people are voting for their favs and not who was the best, thats why these list get so fucked up.

not me man. For example I said

" So I'm not going to deny those Jovi band haters there history "

-bp  :peace:

Mustaine's voice is fine. It's technically awful, but it PERFECTLY fits the music. Political and nihilistic. Not to mention his skill as a songwriter and a musician. Of course, the fact that Megadeth peaked in 1991 hurts Mustaine's chances of being the best 80's frontman.

Still, Judas Priest were past their prime in the 80's (everything after Stained Class isn't as good), and were still a pretty good band, so who knows?

maybe we should make up a rule that you have to have at least 25 posts or more for your vote to count :P


eheh

Hmm, I think Jovi's time to go is now. Vince Neil was once part of a great band, so he gets to stay for one more round. After that, DLR, maybe, depends on how things go.

D -- Hello?!?? This is about favorites... the first post in every survivor thread says VOTE OUT YOUR LEAST FAVORITE!? See the word "favorite" in that?? That means, that you vote out your least favorite, thereby *hopefully* keeping your favorite in the running, by knocking out those that would be your least favorite.? See how that works?

Just because your favorite happens to be the one that some people thinks smells of ripe cheese, doesn't mean that they aren't voting the right way.

As you have once said yourself, musical taste is subjective, so there is no way of really saying "who is best" and who isn't... (notable exception:? Bon Jovi.? It's perfectly alright to admit that he sucks great big floppy donkey dicks)?

Seriously though, how does one weigh who is best vs. who is second best?? ?Through their own preference.? Preference refers to personal, subjective taste... you know... your favorite.? Lookie ... there's that word again... favorite.?

Between Dickenson and Halford, I think I would have to choose Halford, because he is truly the FRONTMAN of Judas Priest. Judas Priest just isn't the same without him (Demolition, Jugulator :no:). Maiden, however, put out the X Factor, which is a very underrated album, without Dickenson. Plus, Maiden's first 2 albums are excellent without him.

Because of this, I consider Steve Harris the true frontman of Iron Maiden. Although I love Iron Maiden more than Judas Priest, I think I'll just have to take Halford over Dickenson.

I still cant see the reason Sebastian bach is still in this.

He could sing, great, pin the rose on his nose

other than that he couldnt do shit

do u know why bach isnt relevant or around today?

simply cause he cant write a fuckin song

he was born with a great voice

thats not as amazing as becoming great on various instruments and writing songs that stand the test of time.

he could sing "thank his parents"

vocal wise he was great but in every other frontman category besides maybe performing he was way below average.

next round i ask everyone to vote his ass out!

Unfortunately, Bach might be voted out because people don't know whats good for them. But he sure isn't leaving before Bon Jovi.

How can you say that he couldn't do shit?

As far as Rock N Roll is concerned, this man has almost everything.

The charisma, the energy, the presence, the killer voice, really good looks, and to top it all off, a heavy dose of assholeness.

He may not be John Lennon where lyrics are concerned, but neither is Bon Jovi. In fact, unlike Bach, good looks is the only thing Bon Jovi has going for him.

You make it sound like that Backstreet Boy from New Jersey is the saviour of Rock. His vocal ability is equivalent to that of myself in the shower on a cold monday morning. 

Now lets talk about Bon Jovi's lyrics. Yeah, the guy wrote some of the songs. Dude, with all due respect, I can write lyrics like that. And I never wrote a damn verse in my life. Except for that punk masterpiece in the other thread.

its hard writing those feel good rock classics and jon does more than write lyrics, he also writes music.

hell even alice cooper said bon jovi had 2 or 3 of the greatest rock songs ever written.


could Jon succeed as a solo artist? yes, he even wrote a number 1 single "blaze of glory" and 2 top 5 singles "bed of roses,always" by himself with no help from anyone. what has bach done? without skid row's songs where would he be?


Jon isnt technically as great as bach vocally but i find his vocals more appealing.

to say Jon is still successful and popular today only because he is good lookin is ridiculous dude.

if that were true Winger would still be selling out every show and selling millions of records.

if Jon wasnt talented, he may have one great record, but the man has had an over 20 year career and is still goin strong, so obviously there has to be some substance there.

Plus, Sebastian has a bigger dick than Jon.

Bach's first album has more substance in it than Bon Jovi's entire career. Bach's voice is much stronger and less overprocessed (he even did broadway!). Bon Jovi has showmanship, but he does not have the talent Bach has for a voice.

I still don't understand what the problem is with Bach not being a songwriter?  ??? It's the frontman survivor, not the composers'! And Bach is one of the top 10 or even top 5 frontmen of all time.

As I see the candidates left are all great frontmen, although I'm not a fan of all, but I acknowledge their talent.

What the hell is wrong with you people? Why did you vote Bono off so quickly?

Nothing against Bach, but how can a guy that didn't do anything in the 80's has survived longer than Bono?

o my god! Bono is a legend. wot? i dont believe he's been voted off.

I can only speak for myself, but I just hate the music of U2, and I also find Bono an extremely mediocre, whiney singer. So for me it was a no-contest.

Bach on the other hand is alright, even he hasn't achieved as much as Bono, at least he isn't annoying.

I love Bono, I wouldn't have voted him off, unless it was a contest between either him and Bach or him and Halford... or him and Annie Lennox, who didn't make the list, but should have, as she could outsing anyone (with the possible exception of Bach and Halford, and of course Axl...) off the stage.

Yay! Annie Lennox is brilliant :D

Agreed!  She is one of the few singers that can give me goosebumps from the sheer inpact of her voice!  The others being Axl and Halford.

I haven't found many other artists that can accomplish that feat.

James Hetfield is my favourite and I think he is easily the best out of the 80's, even though he was probably a better frontman during 89-93 especially with the TBA tour.

Looking at the remaining list Hetfield looks the most dominant. For decent 80's Het, watch the Seattle DVD from a show from 89. I think that defines why he is the best.

Even better than 80's Axl. If someone starts posting stuff like 'WTF how dare you say that about Uncle Axl? you dipshit' I want to see some good reasons why YOU think Axl was a better 80's frontman that James Hetfield.

D, you're not the only GnR fan who prefers another frontman over Axl.

Axl is better because he is god.  That's all you need to know.   :hihi:

You didn't give any reasons yourself as to why Het is better, so why should I bother?

I did, I said watch Seattle 89 DVD, which I wouldn't expect anyone to go out and buy anyway.

I don't want to make a meal out of this i'm just basically saying that there is more to life than Axl   ::)

The fact of the matter is; I like Het more. No big deal, I just don't want somebody trying to tell me who I should like.

i want someone to tell me what seb bach changed in music?

He was a third rate axl rose with no musical talent and no diversity

At least Bach didn't turn rock music into something cheesy. And sorry, he wasn't and isn't a third rate Axl Rose since his vocal abilities are much better and skilled than Axl's (although Axl is my all time favourite singer).

dude thats probably one of the funniest things ive ever read

bach doesnt have the vocal diversity of axl, he is a screamer, he had no dynamics, limited melodies and is a fuckin joke now

he was turnin into a bum before skid row dumped him and is a major bum now.

he's got a wife with sweet titties too

i vote we put this rule in affect for obvious reasons.? ?you know .... because D is a cheater cheeter pumkin' pie eater

I second that vote!

Actually... I recind my vote in favor of disqualifying Jon Bon Cheesy from this survivor challenge for the following reasons:

1.  He sucks.
2.  He writes stinky cheese songs.
3.  We are getting bombarded with spammers whose first post are voting off someone who is far more qualified than Mr. Cheese as the best frontman.
4.  Did I mention that he sucks?  -->>  Great big floppy donkey dicks is what he sucks.

Let's vote:  I, along with my 56 other fictional  user ids, vote to disqualify Mr. Big Cheese from the survivor.  He should take his hair scraps and go home. 

whine all u want too

these people registered on the board, they want to play the game

i dont even know these people

everywhere i go i am an ambassador for HTGTH, i posted a link asked people to check it out

they checked it out, saw the survivor game,decided to play.

ask jarmo where those ips are from cause i have no clue who any of those people are but im sure fuckin glad they got on here : ok:

Hey BP:  Know any "I Hate Jon Bon Cheesy" websites?  Maybe we can go to those , and be an "ambassador" for HTGTH, and ask them all to register and play survivor and vote  for Mr. Cheese to leave the survivor island...

i told them bout the website, ive had the link posted forever, survivor games are fun im sure they checked the entire board saw that Jon was in a survivor and voted

that isnt my fault

sorry guys

Ya'll take this game way too seriously. It's freakin' hilarious! hahaha

D called in the Jon Bon Jovi squad for back up. LOL!

I don't think Jon should lose to anybody on that list. I don't care if you don't like the guy. You can't deny that he was a major frontman in the 80s, if not the best.

Pick any guy from that list. Can you deny that he was a major frontman in the 80's? No, because they were all major frontmen.

"It shouldn't bother me but it does" -A quote from a great song.

This is exactly how I feel about this situation. It shouldn't bother me that other people prefer Bon Jovi to Halford or Bach, but it for some reason, it does.

I am not going to try to convince people to open their eyes and realize who has true talent or not. A lot of people here are simply on a different page, a different wavelength if you will.

I believe that a best frontman first and foremost has to have the ability to sing his ass off. This is obviously not a priority for some of you. Something I cannot understand.

This is hilarious indeed! The whole survivor is just a thread on a message board, read by 20 people or so. WHO CARES :P

I hope that D's cheesy mafia won't participate in the later stages since it'd cause that JBJ wins the 80s survivor and then he'll win the survivor of survivors as well.

As posted in the other thread:


Hahaha...

Man, some people do take it to the extremein order to make their favorites win. The 2000 US election scandal ain't nothing compared to what's happened here over the past few days.

Ok my two cents.

The purpose of this thread is for the HTGTH members to decide who's the best frontman of all time. The key word here is member. We are all members of this board cause we all like GNR. That's the reason why we keep coming here on a daily basis. We do like other bands as well, but GNR is definitely our favorite band  in 99% of the cases. Now, a person who registers to post just once in a non-GNR related thread, may not be considered a member. I mean, who posts for the same time in a non-GNR related thread if you like GNR?

Also, the fact that 5 people posted for the first time in a 2 hour time-frame voting off the same frontman...makes the whole thing a bit suspicious.

However, since this is the first time something like this has ever happened, I'm gonna give the benefit of the doubt to those 5 new "members" and count their votes. From now on though, a minimun post count is going to be required to participate in this thread. We have to draw the line somewhere, so let that be just 20 posts. At least half of those posts have to be made in the GNR boards though.

I know this may sound extreme, but c'mon people, let's try to keep this fair and simple. It's just a game.  : ok:

I do understand what has happened here regarding D.  I could have posted the 90's Survivor over at bunglefever.com and Mike Patton would have won everything, or posted a link for the Punk Survivor at Misfits Central or the7thhouse.com and they would have won, I didn't do that because I had a bit of foresight on this type of thing happening and the last thing we want is outsiders in here with no interests in GNR cross-spaming the site and starting new rumours and stuff because they just don't care about Axl.  Bach being out like this will make this round too contraversial and futhermore continue the anti-D sentiment which has occured because the guy made an honest mistake trying to help his favourite (Jovi) win.  Are we able to restart the round with the current 20 post rule in place? and perhaps get a mod to delete the current thread?  That way it stays honest and fun. perhaps those in agreeance can say agreed below this post. Let Bach go out fair and square but not on these terms, it will alter the whole survivor game which is just for stupid fun anyhow.

Agreed.

And D, in that other thread you said you expect a big fucking apology. Well keep on waiting, because you deserve none.

That's fine with me as long as the majority who regulary posts in the survivor threads agree. On that mark, for those who've voted off Bach this round ( the ones who've done it legitimally) also have to come to this thread and agree to start this round again.

Who do you all want to actually win?

Me; James Hetfield, of course.

Fair Enough - that's what I expected because there were some legitimate Bach vote offs. Your call though Ignatius, I don't want to tell you what to do by any means but I think this round is tainted.

true...  start over. I also obviously seen this coming, but I like to read this over breakfast. now its bogus.

Captain O'  right with ya ... i hear ya


anyway ----   there is only 1 fair solution & i'm glad it was mentioned -BP

OK... I think that's fair. 

this IS just a silly little message board game, and I don't take it seriously, otherwise I would have gone ballistic when Mike Patton was voted off  in the last survivor.   

I simply contributed that to the majority of those posting in this game have no taste whatsoever.

But to actually GO to another website, in search of people to vote against other people so that bon jovi can win is even sillier, and downright ridiculous.   This IS just a silly little message board, but, D will be intolerable if Jon Bon Cheese wins, as if it's some sort of "vindication" and proves him right when he claims that the cheeseman isn't full of... cheese.

Those of us who actually appreciate true talent and good music know the score.   

also keep in mind what Ignatius says about racking up posts in order to vote.


to think I could have made an AOL account to waste my life. or net0 -

I urge all newcomers to download the link in my signature///  its free  :yes: -bp

Well discount any vote this round from the previous one-post wonders no matter if they get the 20 post mark.  D Doesn't have to show up to HTGTH court in his pajama bottoms anymore, everything else is water under the bridge and the contest moves on.  In all fairness D respond, I think you made a mistake and we are all willing to deal with it.

Ok people this is outta control now.

Let's just stop the voting for a moment here.

First of all, there's no need to be so harsh on D. He's definitely gone too far to make his favorite win, but I'm sure he'll acknowledge his mistake.

Now in order to find a solution to keep this thread going, this is what I suggest; I've already read Kevorkian's, Skeletor's, BP's & Tied-up's input ( all on the same page), but I do want to know everybody else's too. So, I'm gonna ask you to answer a simple question. Do you feel the one post wonders votes should be deducted from this round? Just answer yes or no.

I don't care about this contest at all.

What I do care about is getting the board "flooded" by people who don't even come here because they like GN'R. They come here to take part in some contest to make their hero win.


I suggest you don't count votes from people who have been members for less than a month or something.

You can always get your post count up, it's harder to change your registration date.




/jarmo

Yeah, what Jarmo said.   :hihi:  He's smart.  That's a quality I admire in an Admin.                 :beer:                   

I definitely don't believe D has anything to do with all of those "newbies." He's a fan of Jovi, sure, but not an absolute imbecile and he's old enough to not behave like that.

I posted a link to this board

people checked it out, saw the survivor and voted


whats next? i sent everyone 10 bucks via paypal to register and vote?

they checked out the website, saw the game, saw Jon voted accordingly

if anyone on here wants to run there mouths about me

hmmm well u know what u can do : ok:

I try to expose new people to this forum, get others interested in this cool site, i dont control where they post, or how they post.

say half the people who signed up become regular posters, that helps and adds to the board.

so i think the people getting upset at people checking out a website and voting are the ones who need to take a step back and realize how ignorant they are acting.

Well, then, I take that back. Checking out a forum is fine; you're allowed to lurk without registering. I can gurantee you they won't be making any further or alternative posts, though. Getting them to register for a mere thread that in my opinion makes the results absolutely void is pathetic.

And nowhere in your post did you mention any of the words Bon, Jovi, survivor or vote?




Because we all know people who don't care about or even like GN'R is just what this board needs.




/jarmo

Ok.

This is enough. JBJ is out. I've deducted all the one post wonders and JBJ received 7 votes, Bach & Prince received 6 a piece.

One post wonders I haven't counted. Not even Calicangirl ( she voted Bon Jovi off)

FROM NOW ON:

A mininum of 20 posts is required to vote, sorry.

Refrain yourself from posting if you haven't reached that post count.

nope i sure didnt

maybe they arent gonna post anymore because of the way people treated them which i thought was rude and ridiculous

so honestly i cant blame them if they never come back after the way they were treated.

What a load of bullshit. You've got to be fucking kidding me. A dozen people show up out of nowhere, and start posting in one single thread... geez.

do u know why i joined this message board?


I joined this message board because i was browsing around and saw the GNR album survivors

thought they were interesting and cool so that alone made me register on this board

ive been here a very long time now but had it not been for the GNR album survivor i never wouldve joined

had people talked shit and were rude to me when i first joined and treated me the way some of u treated those people , i probably wouldnt have stuck around either.

futhermore maybe one person checked the board out saw the survivor and mentioned it to others, anyone ever thought of that?

Well good for you, that's your story, but I still can't see how you're able to deny the facts here. Those people didn't just register by chance, five of them came in within an hour or so.


Yes, everything's possible, but some scenarios are just way more likely than others.

Because you wanted Jon Bon Jovi win some contest and you had no real interest in GN'R?





But you admitted that you're the one who mentioned this board on their forum.


How would you Bon Jovi fans feel if a bunch of people who had no interest in your band joined your board? You don't seem to get it. I don't care about your contest, I think it's quite sad that this board gets flooded with new members who are only interested in one thread. A thread has nothing to do with GN'R.

Don't make it sound like we should feel sorry for them. If you love Bon Jovi and you join a GN'R board, you might not feel as welcome as a GN'R fan would. Just like a satanist might not feel that welcome at church on Sunday.?



Just because I'm really bored, here's some stats for you:

During the past 2-3 days, we've gotten about 37 new members.

Out of those, six have bonjovi.com e-mail addresses and two others have bonjovi mentioned in their e-mail addresses.





/jarmo

yeah but thats just 8 out of 37 and who is to say they only like Bon Jovi?

they may be GNR fans also

i guarantee if u check the percentages of posters on this forum, they have way more posts in the jungle and bad obsession than the GNR section so should those people stop visiting here as well?

D, I believe there's a difference though. I hardly ever post in the GNR section cause there's really nothing for me to say. Well, last week we sure did have some pretty intense days with the NY Times article and reply from Merck, I did post my two cents, but I have been a member here for a while now and I'm not going to waste my time posting in a "Axl's so inspiring" alike threads. I guess I just post when I feel I have something to add to the discussion. However, the bad obssesion & the jungle sections are a bit more interesting ( at least for me) cause they cover a wider range of topics, while in the GNR section, I see nothing appealing ( other than when we have real news).

I joined this board cause I'm a GNR fan, so did everyone else here. You happen to be a Bon Jovi fan too, but the day you joined this site, I'm sure you were looking for some info about GNR. However, the one post wonders we have been referring to for the last few days, don't seem to be GNR fans. It appears to me ( and everybody else here as well) that they have joined a GNR board to vote for their favorite singer in a non-related GNR thread. We are talking about 6 first posts in a two hour frame. Their interest in GNR is obviously under suspicion.

I don't know if it was you who directed them to this site or maybe they referred themselves, that's not the real issue.

Anyway, let's move on to the next round.

Aren't you gonna quit it already?


In just a few days we get a bunch of Bon Jovi fans here, all of them seem to go and post in the same thread but somehow they're only here because they like GN'R?

How stupid do you think we are?

Since none of us have seen your post over there, it's hard to say how much "blame" can be put on you. I do find it funny that so many of them would just check out a GN'R board because you happened to recommend it and all of them then found the survivor game.

I wouldn't check out a Bon Jovi board if somebody recommended one to me, because I don't like the band.



/jarmo

 :beer:

Jon Bon Jovi is and will always be the best 80's Frontman.  He goes from strength to strength.   He may be small but he fills a stage.  All over the world he is loved.  His lyrics move you and seeing him live in concert is always memorable.
So Jon gets my vote!!
May he rock forever!!!

Man, this is ridiculous.

All these Bon Jovi fans are taking the piss.

Jarmo, could you lock both threads for the time being?

I'll start a new one in a few days.

Im a bon jovi fan and a gnr fan am i welcome to post here because from reading this thread it seems like people who are bon jovi fans arent welcome. I found this board thanx 2 Ds post on a bon jovi board and I didnt even no about a 80's frontman survivor thing. yeah this is my first post but only because theres nothing in the gnr bit that i think i can add to so i havent its that simple, who are you all to say this isnt the case with the others? sorry to go on but it seems like u guys dont want bon jovi fans here and are unwilling to belive that they are also gnr fans.

This game is over for the moment.




/jarmo

Alright guys, this thread is back.

Between Hetfield and Dickenson, I don't know who to pick here. Dickenson, as I mentioned earlier, isn't really a frontman, because Harris is the core of Iron Maiden. Hetfield, however, is definitely the core of Metallica. Maiden had 5 great albums with Dickenson in the 80's, and Metallica had 4. Both bands hit their peak at about the same time, too. And both bands have great music, of course.

I think I'll flip a coin when their time comes.

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id like to point out that this isnt the best 80's metal frontman

its the best 80's frontman period


Prince is without a shadow of a doubt maybe the greatest frontman ever let alone the 80's

he is slash and axl in one package, he is james brown and elton john in one package because he is an electrifying guitarist, an amazing vocalist with an unlimited vocal range, an extraordinary dancer,showman, his crowd is diverse regardless of sex,age,race,sexual orientation

he is the most talented and most prolific artist of all time and can absolutely do it all.

if i took any of u metal heads to a prince concert without u knowing any of his songs, i guarantee u would leave in awe.

Oh no... now he's pushing for prince. 

At least it happens to be one we agree on... I dig on prince too.  At least he can play his instruments well.  And write decent songs without desmond child. 

Not to mention the fact that he is exciting and energetic on stage with an attitude to go with.

All these wonderful things that The Cheeseman doesn't possess.   : ok:

Lay off the Jovi jivin' for a while

Yeah but he's not exactly metal though? :hihi:

What happens when this compotition is over, will another one be started? ???

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

everyone on this board should know that Jon,Prince, and Axl are my 3 Co favorite artists of all time. i like them all 3 equally.

if it had came down to Prince and Jon i wouldnt have voted.



I know Izzy but this isnt a metal survivor

its frontman

doesnt specify a genre. this isnt the best 80's rock/metal or whatever survivor, its overall frontman and prince is considered rock as much as any of his other genres.

Prince is okay but I think the others that are left are better, I know it's not just metal frontmen but I think alot of people on this board are metal heads, including me? : ok:
Prince changed his name to many times  ;D

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

Nice pics, Campos! I do think I would take Beyond the Realms of Death over Fade to Black, though. ;)

Skid row had only one album in the 80's, but Bach is a great frontman, and Priest had so many sell out albums in the 80's. Bach and Halford are both excellent singers, so I can't really decide based on ability. I think I'll vote Halford off because he allowed Priest to put out so many mediocre albums before returning to form with Painkiller.

I think Dickenson might win this contest, depending on how the Metallica fans turn out.

To tell the truth the frontmen who are left are all amazing performers, but I have problems naming any of them as the best of the 80s. For me Mercury was the biggest in that decade, he was better than in the 70s. My choice from the list would have been JBJ, although he was/is/will be cheesy, but he's a great frontman (and it has nothing to do with his songwriting abilities), I like their music in the 80s. Seeing who are still around... Hetfield simply not a good singer, he's often out-of-key, he was even worse in the 80s than in the 90s. Halford... he screames as a banshee, but Priest is not my cup of tea. Bach... He's my hero, but had only one album in the decade. Dickinson.... he can sing, but I never liked their music. Prince...  :no:  Is there anyone else to pick?

finally a voice of reason!

out of all my arguments i didnt mention bach had one album  :confused:


i agree with mikkamakka love em or hate em Jon was THE frontman of the 80's!

You can't understand Hetfield unless you were THERE in the 80's. I wasn't, but I do have many live concerts from that era. There was such an energy Metallica had before they turned into MTV whores, that can't really be explained. Their singing or playing wasn't perfect, but it whipped people into thrashing very effectively. While Hetfield wasn't a great musician, he was one HELL of a frontman back then.

since u fuckers are voting off my two favs *prince,jbj*

i am now throwing all my support and asking my millions........................................... and millions of fans to join with me and crown James hetfield as THE frontman of the 80's!


sorry its gettin close to wrestlemania and a little nostalgic "the rock" for ya! : ok: :hihi:

Skid Row had 1 album and Priest was past their prime. I think Maiden's going to win this one.

This shold be a tie between the vocal legend and the vocal titan...

in other words...Halford and Bach!!!!

All these arguments are weak...one album....doesn't write enough songs...

You don't judge by a career...or by how many albums they made, or how succesfull they were, etc.

You judge a frontman by a single moment in time, when he is on stage, belting out that impossible note, using every last ounce of his vocal ability. It doesn't matter how he got there, or how he's going to leave, whether he has a 10 year career in front of him, or this is his last perfromance. It is all about what he can do in that one point in time.

Once those two go on stage, all eyes are on them, jaws are dropped, they are singing their nuts off and no one seems to remember about the band before them, or care about the band coming after them.

there is a hell of a lot more to being a frontman than just singing

if that was the case where the fuck is Steve Perry from Journey at on this list? cause his pipes are probably some of the greatest in music history.

besides the fuckin new singer Skid Row has sounds just fuckin like him

so how is bach so extraordinary and unique when his replacement hits all the same "impossible" notes he hit?

Steve Perry from Journey isn't on the list because nobody nominated him and/or he didn't receive the votes necessary to be on the list.  Annie Lennox is far better than Steve Perry... she didn't make it on the list either.

u know i cant believe two frontmen didnt make the nomination list

first one that was omitted that i really unbelievably cant believe is

Brian Johnson ACDC, i mean holy fuck, what an oversight

2nd one was Dee Snider twisted sister

Well Ozzy I take it is reserved for the 70's but Journey - I don't get it, Billy Idol maybe,Snider - perhaps Whacko Jako - should have been,  Simon Lebon maybe, Bernard Sumners and Andrew Eldriidch definately but who cares voting in your fav was a long time ago

gladd somebody finally mentioned billy idol . peace

nah, I nominated him for the 80's round but his new video wasnt out yet, so I guess he had been forgotten.  The lyrics to 'Scream' just crack me up.  It's great to see him back with Steve Stevens.  I thought Axl was the first old rockstar to try the braids look, but Idol has attempted that look as well.

u should put the singer from the offspring in this thread!!!!! hes like 42 or something now can u beleive that he doesnt look like he is. offspring are cool vultures and self esteem are great songs

OK, but there are some people who are of the opinion that when Hetfield decided to learn to sing (The "Black" album) was the beginning of the downfall of this band. I'm not saying they are washed up because St Anger gave me some hope that they can still put out a good album, they just arent what they were.
Of course the only way for them to truly revert to old form is to summon the spirit of Cliff to play Bass and get Mustaine back : ok:

Mustaine is better in Megadeth, that way there isn't any childish bitching. Still a good live band. Load is a decent album but isn't what Metallica are best at, and that's metal. The only real downfall in their career was when Jason left in 2001 when they almost broke up completely.

if mustaine stayed in metallica they would have broken up a long time ago (think of how many people have gone in and out of megadeth). and if megadeth never formed we wouldnt get all the awesome megadeth songs like holy wars, hangar 18, peace sells, mechanix to name a few. i like every metallica album whether u like the loads or not u have to admit they have some great riffs and solos on them that none of us could have made. if a hard rock band like AC/DC made load would u like it more?

Just a reminder guys...

Please use this thread for discussions about the Best Frontman Survivor. We don't want to spam the board with 4 threads on the same topic.

I dont even remember who we were discussing and who is still alive.

oh yeah Jon Bon Jovi should win hands down without a doubt

See? didnt take me long to get back in the swing of things :hihi:

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I most definitely think Bruce is better than any of those hair metal losers artists you mentioned. The thing about you, D, is that you always express your opinions in a similar way such as the one above. It's like there's no other way of seeing things except your way. No wonder you have problems accepting other people's opinions, and get your panties in a twist when your favorite doesn't win some poll.

I can't wait for Best70'sFrontmanSurvivor, there's no way anyone I want to win will win though

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

BP one of the biggest Jon haters during the 80's frontmen agreed with Stoned that the list sucked

Stoned said

how can this frontman who did so little for the 80s still be on there and guys like jon bon jovi and vince neil who dominated the 80s are gone

and BP agreed but yet was one of the main ones against Jon and im not sure about Vince, id have to back and check.

what does Bruce Dickinson do so incredible? does he have stage presence? does he entertain and work the crowd into a frenzy?

Id go watch a bluegrass festival before id watch Bruce in concert.


My opinion isnt the only one but its very obvious people on this board are holding other frontmen's popularity against them

look at the winners so far

someone is gonna sit there and tell me that Kurt Cobain,Eddie Vedder or Anthony Kiedis wasnt THE frontman of the 90s

u are really gonna sit there and say they werent?

i dont give a fuck how much people hate someone, u have to give credit where credit is due and not let bullshit interfere with the truth

This isnt YOUR FAV FRONTMAN OF THE 80's, It is THE BEST

and im just sorry that people on here dont have the capabilities to put their favortism aside to elect who should be the true winner.

Yes I am a Bon Jovi fanatic but no one can sit here and tell me he shouldnt still be on that list over what is on there, just like the 90's when Vedder and Cobain were some of the first two out

u are gonna tell me that people arent being prejudice and bias?

whatever Skeletor

people are goin for the these under played non overexposed frontmen, and it isnt fair at all.

It is just a game but its becoming ridiculous to tell u the truth.

Being Non biased id honestly say the top 5 frontmen of the 80's would be

1.Prince
2.Axl Rose
3.Jon Bon Jovi
4.Vince Neil
5.David Lee Roth

90's
1.Axl Rose
2.Kurt Cobain
3.Anthony Kiedis
4.Eddie Vedder
5.Chris Cornell

Trent Reznor won the fuckin best frontman of the 90's,seriously how ridiculous is that

It's not ridiculous that Trent Reznor won...  You put Cobain at the #2 position for the 90s, and you suggest that he's so great because he started the whole grunge thing... well, what do you think Reznor did?  Reznor helped put Marilyn Manson on the musical map... and no-one can deny the role he played in helping to shape the industrial sound.   

Trent was not my first choice for the 90s... but Cornell wasn't eligible, and some people chose to vote off the best contender in that particular survivor challenge (the best being Mike Patton).   But hey... it's just a message board,  One that I'm really glad is back, BTW... and if the majority of the people on the board don't agree with me, I am not going to bend over backwards trying to influence them.   Everyone has their own musical preference, no matter how good or  cheesy         :hihi:   it may be.
                   

You're mixing things, first off Stoned was talking about Bach, not Dickinson. BP on the other hand voted off Bruce because it's his least fav, but didn't express it's a travesty that the guy's made it so far.


I could ask you the same thing about Bon Jovi. I've seen both Bon Bon and Bruce in concert (have you btw?), and they're both equal in the things you mentioned above. The thing where Bruce gets the advantage is that he's by far a better singer, giving a little extra to his performance. Also, his fanbase includes a lot less teenage girls than Bon Bon, which is always a plus...

Gn'r have alot of teenage girl fans aswell, you know

By the looks of things Bach will be knocked off in this round and Dickinson will be knocked off in the last round

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

No shit. The amount is still nothing compared to how many Bon Jovi has.

Bon Jovi doesn't have any fans? ;)
Well not much anymore

The Beatles had loads of tennage girl fans also and that didn't take much away from them
 
:smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

OK, first... comparing the beatles and bon jovi is like comparing prime rib and dog shit.  You can eat both of them, but only one of them is good.  Beatles and bon jovi, both play (or played) music, but only one of the two bands is worth listening to.

 Bon Jovi only claim to fame was there appeal to the aqua net audience...  That's not necessarily a bad thing, commercially... that's the best market to tap in to.  If you want to sell gobs of records, appeal to the teen girls, because they're the ones who've got the money to buy the records.  The problem with tapping into that market is that there's no longevity to it (the aqua netters eventually grow up and their tastes change), not to mention the fact that you lose credibility among true fans. 

Other examples who appealed to this market:  N'Sync, New Kids on the Block, Backstreet Boys...

the  Bon Jovi boys were the N'Sync of the late 80s.

yes... Bon Jovi has other fans besides the aqua netters... but, the numbers are not nearly substantial enough to boast a sold out stadium tour. 

Didn't the Beatles also tap into that kind of audience, I don't see the difference? ???

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

almost ever big band has or has some teen girl fans.You can't really get to big time with out it  : ok:
 The beatles and Bon Jovi both play ,played pop rock .


 Halford and Jon Bon Jovi got the knock off already and Bach and Dickinson still remain is fuck bull.

Bon jovi have no fans?

dude u really need some musical knowledge 101

Bon Jovi go multiplatinum worldwide with every record

they sell out STADIUMS in the US still. they have an older fan base now, sure they have some teenage girls but they attract an older crowd now and they sell out every single show they play or play to near capacity everywhere.

5 years ago they played for 500,000 people in New York City at the NFL kickoff, they sold out Gillette stadium in Boston, back to back nights in Giants Stadium, Tigers Stadium in Detroit

trust me, they have millions and millions of fans. : ok:

I was only joking D :hihi: Since everyone here seems to dislike Bon Jovi, I thought it was funny? :(

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

Bon Jovi are barely rock music at all. Many people would just call them pop. Skid Row and Motley Crue, however, can be considered metal! Vince Neil is still a bad frontman, though. Skid Row is one of the few hair bands that actually got HEAVIER from the first to second album. I respect them for that. And JBJ simply ruined his voice from overtouring; he is nothing compared to how he used to be.

Of course, Skid Row are nowhere near as talented as Iron Maiden. I think we can thank Maiden for their light sounding, enjoyable Number of the Beast album and song for almost completely killing the Satanic metal stereotype and bringing the art foward. Bands like Helloween, Hammerfall, Rhapsody, and nearly every other power/progressive metal band (literally thousands) have been influenced by Iron Maiden.

Skid Row, like Guns n' Roses, came at the very end of that era, and could hardly be called influential, but were excellent nonetheless. And don't forget, Metallica may have released the first thrash album, but Overkill was the first thrash band. Metallica were never an original band, and Hetfield isn't as great as Mustaine (who should still be in this contest...)

I think Dickinson will win, after some idiots voted the METAL GOD off the list.  :rant:

once again this isnt the best 80's METAL frontman survivor *which is why Prince stayed around so long*

Jon's voice is pretty shot these days but in the 80's he still had all his range and power.
he use to run around like Axl, i remember when they had a huge catwalk built at the giants stadium gig and he'd run all around it, he used  to fly out over the crowd and sing

He has kind of toned it down now but back then he was amazing. Now he stands around and plays rhythm guitar alot, doesnt dance around,run around as much but back then he was very charismatic and active on the stage.

Youre right about tapping into that market and all, but I'd have to disagree with the longevity aspect when it comes to BJ attracting the aqua netters. Sure, they are a huge part of his success, but the thing with jovi is that his aqua netters get lured in, and many grow up still liking jovi. This is different from the other groups you mentioned. On top of that, jovi still to this day attracts these netters wheras new kids on thew block do not and would not today, wheater they reformed or not along with the others you mentioned.

Singing poorly and messing up your voice in 5 years doesn't make you a good frontman. It makes you stupid. Halford has a great voice after over 30 years! He's past 50! He has leather and a motorcycle to entertain the kids, but he's serious about proper vocal technique. That's what made him a great frontman, technical skill combined with an eye for image.

Plus, JBJ never made a song called Turbo Lover.  :hihi:

yeah but id bet my balls that Bon Jovi played a lot more shows than Halford as well.

Jon's voice was still amazing up till about 1996, on These Days he could still really sing but when he took up acting he started smoking and that has fucked his voice up more than anything else.

Bon Jovi rok!

Um, D, Rob Halford started his singing in the late 60's, and Judas Priest's first album came out in 1974. He has sung at least 4x as many shows as JBJ. He was a legend before Bon Jovi was even formed.

And his voice has never been matched. Listen to him sing on Unleashed in the East. He pushes himself harder than JBJ does, yet he preserves his voice with perfect classical technique. Of course, even Bach could do proper singing during his broadway stint!  :hihi: JBJ just relies too much on production. Not raw enough.

I cant believe Prince and James Hetfield didnt get voted off earlier, theyr a load of bolox apart from eneter sandman and One

That's what I noticed about Rob when he sings live. He has that look live, like he's taking his vocal work very seriously.