Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I thought I'd get some talk happening, as I've just started seeing billboards and promotion for it here in Australia! I can't wait! I have opening night tickets! I have been waiting for this for years, the episode where it all comes together.

It has just been rated M (mature audiences) here due to the violence, I saw some pictures in the paper of Anakin's face all messed up before he becomes Vader.

I just read that Speilberg said the film is brilliant and that Lucas has made a perfect finale!

Who is going to see it? What are your expectations? I hear D is going to dress up as Chewy when he goes to watch? ;D

* Sorry just went back 4 pages and saw a previous thread.. well with the movie not too far away now seems a good time to discuss? :)

Hell yeah, here in the states it is Rated PG-13, all the other stories have been rated PG. From the looks of it I hope it's the dark chapter that it is suppose to be and I hope to see many of jedi die at the hands of the dark side. That means you Samual Jackson, you arent in Chapter 4 so you must have a huge fight scene with a gory ending.

cannot wait!!!!  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

just rented episode IV & V and burnt them ;D

I'm not expecting much out of this one.

a quote from conan o brien "george lucas says that adult fans shouldnt take their kids to the new star wars movie. in response the fans said, "kids we haven't even had girlfreinds" and then conan does his nerd inpression. :hihi:

Oh yes I will be seeing this too I am really looking forward to this one!

Yes, looking forward to it verily.

Quick, decide...

...Are spoilers going to be allowed in this thread?

I don't mean spoilers as in 'the ending goes a little something like this *insert the ending of the film*"

But, spoilers in that I have a rough idea of what is going to happen, who is going to die and such...

...A no go area or...Something to discuss?

Well, I hate to spoil it for you, man, but...














ANAKIN BECOMES DARTH VADER IN THE END.

U monster! U've ruined it for me :hihi:

I think it would be better without spoilers in this thread.

Anyway can't wait, but a loud 'GRRRR' at the person who started a new thread rather than use the one I already started >:(

Hehehe.

But it's 'common knowledge' that a lot of people die and what not, and I wondered if there were people here that didn't want to know any of that.

Clearly there are, so any spoilers will be deleted.   : ok:

Even if you do...











this.

Because you can still get a glimpse. Just ask Arron.  :nervous:

I already bought my tickets And Im going to wear a Vader Helmet and start to whistle the Imperial March  :peace:

I THINK IT'L B WKD! BY FAR, BEST R RETURN OF THE JEDI & ATAK OF DA CLONES

OMG KL YEAH WKD CUZ WE TOTLY TINK DIS IS A DCNT WAY 2 TYPE!

Well so far almost  everybody that has seen it says it's good ,but most said the same about the other two prequels to and they were mediocre .

I have hope that this will be good though.

Fuck off! I saw that!  >:(

Haven't even seen it yet but I already know it will be better than the first two prequels but not as good as the original trilogy...

Yeah man i'm gonna go see it. I've been seeing a few billboards up lately too...bout time too. I'm going on opening night at Vmax biggest screen in Australia should be fantastic. 2 other mates and i booked our tickets 6 weeks beforehand just to make sure we wouldnt miss opening night and shit there were about 10 tickets left and we got good ones to like 5 rows from the backs and dead set in the middle hows that for luck!

What do you mean Aanikin becomes Darth Vader?  Darth vader was evil in the original 3 movies, Aanikin is a good jedi? there is NO WAY he could stray. he is the choosen one

Without any spoilers, I've read the book based on the movie and the story is great. I also played a bit of the Episode III game on the X-Box, which has alot of footage from the movie which looks pretty damn good also. From the early reviews I think this movie will satisfy almost everyone that was turned off by Episode I and II. Alot of death and destruction in this one. The only thing that might upset people is that we wont see Darth Vader in his suit very much.

I wont post any spoilers here but if anyone has any questions, PM me and I'll answer when I get a chance.

im not a star wars fan , but i think this one will be cool , i have tickets for may 19 , i been playing the videogame and the general gridoius looks cool . i dint know if its only me , but i feel like this movie has little promotion compare to other years bluckbuster sumer films.

I'm sure it will be shite just like the last two but am still gonna watch it in d cinema ..... just like the last two

i'm glad they up the rating to pg-13.  this episode has been built up to be the darkest and needs to be shown as lucas's original idea, not a dumbed down crapfest like episode 1. 

1) episode one is good if u just blink at the right points
2) episode one was not dumbed down and Lucas describes it as being exactly as he wanted....

It's been so long since I've seen Episode 1 but I remembered I did like it.

I absolutely loved Epsiode 2.

I can't wait to see this one but I'm going to wait a while.

Posted on: Today at 01:07:07 PM Posted by: Izzy
I think it's rather sad when i have to skip multiple scenes in a movie just to enjoy it.  the entire Jar jar binks and pod racing was totally gay. 

For those interested, www.rottentomatoes.com now has a big banner called the "Episode III Tomatometer Watch" which will continually update as the reviews of the movie start to pour in.

As of right now (28 reviews), the movie is scoring a 93%... and also an average rating of 8/10.  If you click on the link for the movie, it will only show you quick blurbs of the reviews which don't give out any spoilers.

I know you should NEVER believe the hype, but these reviews are saying this movie is second only to Empire, and some are ever saying the best of the saga.  It gives me a little bit of hope that just maybe this will be Lucas' Return of the King.

This last episode is actually looking pretty damned good.

I have my ticket to see it tuesday night at midnight !!!! It's gonna rock !!!  :D :beer: :yes: : ok:

I agree, but there are only a handfull of truly awful bits in the entire film - we're talking about 3-4 mins in total, see instead the 116 'good' mins. If u cut out Anakin's 'yippee' and 'are you an angel?' bits u can make it through the entire film without having thrown any thing at the screen.

ta dude

THREE DAYS TIL OPENING!  ;D  :smoking: :beer:

I've got tickets for may 21st matinee. Can't wait to see on screen what I've imagined for years. How Anakin actually becomes Vader. Wonder if any GNR or VR members are gonna see it?  :hihi:

Off to see it twice on thursday - though there has been so much footage of it everywhere i kinda feel i've already seen in - hell, between the 18 trailers (which i have tried to avoid seeing) i must have seen every key sequence....bastards!

Thursday it is. I've got tickets for the 10:30 (yeah, AM) showing. Which, on reflection wasn't all too clever because I'll still be half asleep. But, then again, at least I'll have the chance to see it on opening day, in the evening, again.

We're doing the same thing - once early on and then again later when we're fully awake

All the reviews have been very positive, the negative ones are always from those that dislike sci-fi and hence are a dubious choice as reviewer...

Can't wait to see the Emperor in a lightsaber duel - that has to be the coolest thing Lucas has ever thought of, i'm really glad people like Yoda and the Emperor got a chance to shine in these films.

Bring on Thursday!

I have tickets for the 21 Friday night, I even bought the clone wars on DVD so I can follow the track of the Episodes  :peace:

I either haven't seen any trailers, or... if I have, I can't remember anything from them? ;D :P Going to see it on Saturday, along with seeing my parents for the first time in a couple of months.

i loved episodes IV to VI, but I absolutely sucked and II was average at best. i heard that Ep III is supposed to be darker and better (from the cover of Time mag). But i have learned that getting your hopes up is a bad idea. i've hardly read anything about it, cuz im afraid i'll spoil it on myself.

im goin to see it on thurs or friday with 2 of my friends.

So none of you guys are going to a midnight show?

good one! just now saw that

Im not a Star Wars geek like Skippy *although my GF is dragging me to the midnight premiere late Wednesday early Thursday*

Skippy will be dressed as R2 D2 and is gonna paint his kangaroo gold *whats that gold bastards name?* they will be a "HOPPIN" couple!



YEP SKY *change the name u still remain the same* we are goin wednesday early thursday at midnight.

are u goin at midnight?


Ill be home a little after 2 AM and im gonna come on here and spoil it for everyone of u fuckers.

PM's in your box, everything! : ok: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

A friend of mine owns a theatre in Orlando, so we will get a private screening wednesday night about 7, they have to run the movie and make sure its not defective, than watch it with an audience at midnight. I could beat D to it and spoil it now though : ok:

I will agree that Jar Jar Binks (spelling?) wasn't too crash hot in Episode One, although I couldn't stand Anakin's dialogue in Episode Two.. way too whiney.. I understand Lucas needed to convey the character that will eventually lead him to the dark side, but it could have been done a little better.

Yeah, I agree totally. So many people say they prefer Episode 2 to Episode 1, but part 2 is so cringy with the dialogue.
I even tried to watch part 2 again (it was on tv sunday night) and I couldn't sit through it, it was that bad!

I can't wait to see Episode 3 though and I'm really hoping it doesn't suck like 1 & 2!

I thought number 1 was good. Cant w8 for number 3.!! : ok:

I think it must be EXTREMELY difficult for the scenarist to write for 6 EPISODES and be as thrilling, as exciting and as moving as the previous.

I know there are things that pissed me off and i thought " i wouldn"t have done it like this" or " i wouldn"t have had so and so in it" BUT i know too that these guys have been working on the 1st trilogy between 1976 and 1982 and then, had a 20 year pause in between.

They also aged, which isn't always a good thing when you come to think about the age appeal of the star wars trilogy.

I cannot wait to see Anakin become Darth Vador, seriously, and i know i'll just shut it because i know these men and women who worked on this for 25 long fucking years are EXTRAORDINARY.

It is supposed to be 9 parts but George Lucas isn't gonna make them, thats true?, thats BS?, if its true what is it about the other 3 ones??  ???

That's true, but GL is not a young man anymore, he wouldn"t have time to make all 9, so he decided to stop at 6.

Also, as he continued with the story, he said he realised the story was about Anakin not Luke. Therefor the story was done when Anakin dies in Return of the Jedi. (Hope that didnt spoil anything for anyone ::))

No one has worked on this film for 25 years. Try not to exaggerate. Filming for Episode one began in late 1997. And while Lucas loves to claim he had ideas for more films, its to be noted Star Wars became 'Episode 4' several years AFTER its release. If Mr Lucas had any kind of plan he wouldn't have waited 20 years - he didn't direct any film during that a period.

While he says there will be no Episode 7,8,9 - i bet if anyone had bothered to ask him the sane question in 1983 he'd have said the same thing.

Izzy, would you stop always taking me so first degree ?

Yes, i am passionate and " exagerate" when i am happy about something.
Stop being so controlled all the time, so serious, just let go !  :beer:

If you all want episodes 7,8, and 9 read the books.

I was skeptical due to 500 geeks being in the same room with me cheering everytime yoda did something but this movie was truly amazing.

corny dialogue at times but overall it fucking rocked.

I love Anaken *SP* Skywalker's character, when he was on the screen it was one of the greatest movies ever

when it was someone else it kind of dropped off for me but his storyline is so intriguing and amazing.

now im gonna watch the 3 originals to remember what happens.

Are spoilers allowed in this thread now?

I think that the Emperor's physical "transformation" goes to show that Lucas really did have this story more or less planned out from the beginning considering he looked how he does in Ep. 6.

I figure we do spoilers after a few days, maybe after the weekend.

so much I wanna ask.

let me ask u this cause I dont remember and dont feel like renting all the originals for the answers.

Does Darth Vader ever kill Obi wan kanobi?

Just as they are about to escape the Death Star in Episode IV Obi Wan and Lord Vader have a Light Saber Dual...... Obi Wan see's Luke and then just drops his guard......Vader then strikes him dead....... all that is left of Obi Wan is his robe.

I always thought that Obi wan just be came one with the force. and that Vader didn't kill him.




Episode 3 rocks .

Im just gonna rent the original three

On purpose, mind.? : ok:

Luke doesn't distract him.

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Well. Fuck. Wow.

Bollocks to any bad reviews. In short, Revenge of the Sith is fucking brilliant. Everything that you wanted to happen in that film, happens as good, and sometimes better, than you imagined it.

Sure, people will slate it. But it is their own bias that has cost them experiencing a truly great film.

Christensen, for me, is great in this film. Loads of people complained about him in Clones, mainly because he was a whiny bitch, and while he is in this film as well, he plays the role brilliantly.

Too much to talk about right now, I'll wait untill more people have seen it but...

Yeah!

I just saw it today and i thought it was great man.  It made me wish i was young enough to go and buy a replica sabre and fight my brothers and mates like we did when we were younger lol.

The cinema is the place to see it. I envy those who were around for the very first one.  It must have been amazing. However people feel about how it is pulled off Lucas has a great imagination when you look at the detail even down to the architecture and colouring, great man. 

It's a pity that he left it so late to do these though because it would be wicked to have a follow-on from Return of the Jedi.  Mark Hamill looks really old now.  I guess they could get people who look similar though. Anyway I left wanting more.

me and my friends still have light saber fights.  :yes:



I bet after the next Indiana Jones movie is done then Lucas will change his mind and go and do  episode 7, 8 and 9

NO SPOILER IN THIS POST


i saw it at midnight on wednesday night (or thursday morning i guess). it was an excellent film.  much better than episode 1 and episode 2.  some great action, and some very powerful scenes between anakin and obi wan.  unlike the first 2 episodes, you actually care for the characters in this movie.  what happens on the screen is meaningful.   the love scenes were terrible as always (roger ebert says that there are hallmark greeting cards that can write better love dialogue than george lucas.  i agree).  and as always excellent special effects.  lucas does a good job of tying everything together at the end, making it flow right into episode 4 (the original star wars). 

id like to say more but its hard to without ruining the film. 

Great movie. Everything episodes I&II should've been.

Off to see it again (and again on Sunday) - i will like it, and i will keep going untill i do (or i run out of people to go see it with...)

BRILLIANT!

No other words to describe it! A perfect way to end it all!

Just got back from seeing it again

It is fantastic, i wasn't sure about it at first but after a while u can explain away most of the problems

I thought for a Star Wars film it was quite emotionally powerful, the second time around u'r not so blinded by the FX and can appreciate the film itself

Top stuff

I've seen it a few times now and absolutely loved it. I knew the story going in to the first showing but still got caught up in the visuals and the much improved acting. Hayden was much better even though I dont think he was that bad last time, thats just how the character was written. Ian McDirmind(sp) as Palpatine/Emperor stole the show I thought. Kind of made me wish Lucas gave him more to do in the other films. As Izzy pointed out not everything was perfectly wrapped up, but most of the major points were addressed. My personal favorite moment was towards the end on Mustafar when Anakin looks away from Padme and sees Obi Won standing at the top of the ramp to Padmes ship. Great visual and also, in my opinion, the moment that truly pushed Anakin completely over to the "Dark Side"

I also saw the movie in a "Digital" equipped theatre and there are no additional scenes that I noticed, so dont fall for any rumors that there is extended scenes in the Digital version. It does look and sound better though. Overall I'd say Lucas delivered big time in Episode 3. Easily the best of the prequels and just might be the best of them all, if not right behind "Empire Strikes Back"

I can second that - seen it in digital and regular

So much better in digital though, the crackly picture of a regular cinema looks distinctly old fashioned these days....

Palpatine stole the show for sure - some wonderful lines he was given and the way he played on Anakin's fears was fantastic, all Palpatine scenes showed excellent writing and acting

Check this out, pretty damn funny:  www.storewars.org

This is a good one:

http://www.sequentialpictures.com/moviestarwarsepisode3.html

The movie was awsome!! As an anecdote in the scene where Obi-Wan was fighting with grivious There was a tremor in my country. All the people inside the cinema were standing up their chairs And I pissed off cause I couldn't watch the movie I yelled Fuck Off and sit everybody, one guy told no way cause there's a huge tremor, right then I felt it, but I didnt give a shit! I rather stay watching the movie instead of running away, those pussys can't handle a tremor!!

I agree, I think he was great.  I thought he looked pretty cool in the long black hooded cape. 

There were parts where I thought it was a little corny, and parts where I thought they could have made it better.

Overall it was good.  Im not sure if I liked it better than episode II though.

Pretty cool film. Acting usually ranged from good to excellent, with the occasional dip into satisfactory. Good movie for idiots like me who tend to talk all the way through films, 'cause there were plenty of opportunities to deliver half-witty/stupid remarks about it, to whoever you're with in the cinema. Some of the scriptwriting made me chuckle, like when Anakin said something along the lines of "All that can save you now are my new powers"  :hihi: Yes, that's right Buzz. To infinity....AND BEYOND!

I don't think I'll go out of my way to watch it again, but my criticisms are only lighthearted ones. I did enjoy it, and it was an afternoon well-spent.

One thing which really wasn't resolved, or maybe it was.. is how C-3PO and R2-D2 ended up with Princess Leia at the beginning of Episode 4?

Is it assumed they went with Leia and the guy who said he and his wife would adopt her? I guess it must be.

I couldnt watch movies with u TJ    :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

corny dialogue  u role your eyes at sometimes but Anakin turning was awesome, just how he went from one extreme of good to the darkside, all motivated by love, that scream he had at the end when he found out she was dead was spine chilling.

Would Padme had died anyway? I know Yoda told ANakin to let go of everything and everyone he loved but i have a theory that Anakin turning to the darkside killed Padme.

the doctors said there wasnt anything they could tell killing her that it was like she didnt want to live.

I think Anakin turning to the dark side and killing the kids made her want to die, so his nightmares were sort of a premonition of his turn.

what do u think?

Yes, she died because of Anakin turning, brilliant how they were both on the table, switching between the two, as Anakin was being made into Vadar, she was dying on the table giving birth.

Star Wars sparks US political storm
15:42 AEST Sun May 22 2005

AAP

The new Star Wars film is causing a political storm in the United States, with one group calling for a boycott of the film, which they say is unpatriotic.

Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith includes a scene in which Darth Vader tells his former mentor Obi-Wan Kenobi that he is either with him or against him.

Some US activists are comparing DARTH VADER'S actions to those of President George W Bush in persuading legislators to adopt the Patriot Act.

Critics say the act imposed limits on civil liberties after the September the 11th, 2001, terrorist attacks.

And conservative group called Patriotic Americans Boycotting Anti-American Hollywood is calling for a boycott of the film.

But Star Wars creator George Lucas insists that the film's story was written long before the war on terror took centre stage in US politics.


?AAP 2005

D, when you talk about Vader's scream at the end, do you mean when he went 'NOOOOO!!' ? That was one of the bits I laughed at  :hihi: It reminded me of Luke's scream in the scene he found out he was Vader's son. Unless my memory serves me really poorly? I just seem to remember the scream sounded similar. Could even have been on purpose, I guess.

 :confused:

At the end of the film they are given by Bail Organa to Captain Antillies who is the captain of the ship they are aboard at the end of Ep.3 and at the beginning of Ep.4 - how do i know? -  there is an entire scene about it

People like this actually exist? No matter how much i learn about America i realise the truth is far far worse than i could ever imagine

thats funny and sad at the same time .

Idiots, I hate people like that! Jesus Christ why can't people get a fucking life!

its a goddamn movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I hate any political extremist democrat or republican and shit like that makes me glad to be neither democrat or republican.

Hell that couldve been talkin about Shaquille O Neal and Kobe Bryant.

those people like that give the United States a bad name and make us look ridiculous.

I saw it last night, the theater was packed!!! There was only 3 seats left, the other shows were sold out...

Was a good movie, explained everything you ever guessed about the movie

Fucking hell, somebody had to be bored

No it doesn't eg. Leia remembers her mother as being beautifual and sad - impressive for someone 30 seconds old!  + Obi Wan mentions in Empire that Luke was their last hope to which Yoda tells him there is another - but he already knew that being present at the birth :nervous: It doesn't explain why the Death Star took 20 years to build but the second one took no more than 2 to get 50% done.....

It was a great film but don't fool yourself into thinking it was done perfectly.

I'm sorry, but that was def. the best Star Warsmovie of them all.  George Lucas did a fine job and all these litttle so called"mistakes"are small compared to the excellence of the movie.  George- good job  :beer:

Well we didn't all watch it two or three or however many times you saw it, did we smart arse.

Plus, how can I possible multi task between watching, eating AND drinking!? :D

Here is how I look at it.

I try to judge movies based on what is on the screen, sure there are some inconsistencies but this movie isnt a true story.

so what she was 30 seconds old, Anakin was born from an immaculate conception so if you try to make the movie realistic, of course there are some holes. I just enjoyed it for what it was.

Skywalker is Anakin's last name correct? Why would they give Luke his evil father's last name? Ive never been sure so correct me if Im wrong.

I dont remember much about the original movies so it kicked major ass for me.

Especially since they would most likely be looking for Anakin's children.  Even if they thought they were dead, having the same last name isnt very smart if they want to stay hidden.

I guess a Galaxy is a small thing right? ::)

Well in their terms yes! If you can travel between planets in minutes or hours then that would be the equivalent of us travelling between countries  :P

It was good but the ending was gay. I'm sorry but Darth Vaders no at the end was soooooo lame and it ruined the movie totally. Like James Earl Jones must have been like your fucking me Lucas your fucking me! The No at the end was soooooooooooo bad! Soooooooooo bad!

It was a little out of place to see Vadar (Vadar in the mask etc.) do that I agree.

I don't think it required multi viewings just to listen to what they said....


Excellent point D - i had never thought of that, but i suppose the exp is that there are millions of skywalkers in the galaxy -   bigger problem is why they would have given Luke to Anakin's half brother who's location Anakin is fully aware of, and they then give Leia to one of Palpatine's oldest political rivals - ur just asking for trouble!


It is some what dubious they can get to the Outer Rim from the capital in a day....


It was most out of character - Lucas does have a strange idea about how his characters would act...

Ep. 3 just broke the opening week record by...well some way, its already taken $158.5m in America and beat Spiderman's opening weekend takings, the previous record.

Ep.3 took DOUBLE in its opening weekend than Ep.1 did!

Leia remembers her stepmother, remember when she said that she didn't know luke is her brother.
Obi Wan knows about the twins but he didnt had hope for leia, but Yoda did. Also remember that obi wan told luke that leia is his sister.


Remember that Vader doesnt know that amidala gave birth to the children, thats why at the end of the movie she died and she was burried like she was pregnant  : ok:

D, G Lucas explained hmself and his political views and what he'd put in star wars and why in the Cannes Festival a few days ago.

I'm sorry to say you have insulted people who knew better and just ridiculed yourself ( a little bit only) ...


FUCK IT

I saw it last night and loved it and cried and cried and cried and i don't care about script irrationalities, i had waited too long and you know what ?

30 years of my life have gone by. With star Wars last night. I feel old.

I didnt know that, but it is still stupid in my opinion to boycott a film for comments that werent that controversial.

Fuck it, Bush really said that, so I dont see the big deal.

I find it messed up that people will try to boycott and ruin anything.

Its not like he called Bush a psychotic dickhead in the movie, and what he said  actually fit the script.


i had no problems with Darth Vader's scream, U gotta remember that he got darker and darker as days went on, he was torn for the last half of the movie, cause he didnt want to turn but yet he thought it was the only way to save padme.

So at the end of the movie he still has feelings for her and loved her, so how would u react if your wife and lover died and u thought u killed her?

of course u would scream and that led to him 100 percent being on the darkside.

i agree, it seemed out of character, but only because wer used to the really dark,evil vader. he's only jus changd to vader and at that point realises that there is no turnin back because the person that he done all this for is dead an there is now nothin left 4 him

Take this quiz for a laugh:? ?
http://www.liquidgeneration.com/quiz/starwars_quiz.asp

I am Boba Fett

What I think finally pushed him completely to the dark side was seeing Obi Wan Standing on the platform to Padmes ship on Mustafar. He thinks the women that he just killed all these people in order to save, had betrayed him. Up until that point he wasnt completely gone, remember the scene after he wiped out everything that was moving on Mustafar, he was out on the platform crying over what he had done.

I'm Anakin and apparently obsessed with power, i don't know what to say.....

Just saw it like 5 hours ago.
It was fucking AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!! :o
Anakin was so fine b4 he got all screwed at the end.
Obi One is class. It really is probably the best one, except for the whole " Luke, I am your father...." part in number 5.
Its the bes movie i've seen in a long time. :yes:
R2D2 and C3PO rule ass.

Yoda rocks.
If u haven't seen it, i strongly recommend u do. Go. Now. What u waiting for? It's Brilliant : ok:

if anakin somehow found out that she had a kid, having Luke semi-exposed and Leia hidden(she did not have the skywalker name) might keep Vader from knowing that he had another kid.  My explantion confusing, yes? :'(, but works.
 


And if he did, I doubt he would believe that he had twins.

u people must really be nerds with lots of free time if u care that the story wasnt exactly done right. who cares the movie was awesome. im not a big star wars fan and i loved the movie. i probably should have seen episode 2 first  :hihi: but it was still cool. anakin thought he had to be evil to save his bitch but it turned out that that is what killed her. interesting

Could you be more polite and used the proper term which is WIFE.

A bitch is a breeding dog.

You have no excuses. It's very insulting to women so unless you mean it as an insult, i suggest you changed your vocabulary.

Thank you.

im Darth Vader acording to that quiz, what can i say, im evil :smoking:

Shut up bitch : ok:

Anyone have a bad word to say about the film? Seems everyone (correctly :)) thinks it rocked

Just saw the movie and it was awesome, but there was two things that made me wonder?

In episode 6, before Luke heads out to meet Vader he asks Leia if she remembers her mother and she does but Padm? died right after giving birth so theres no way Leia could remember her.

In episode 5, as Luke is leaving Dagobah the ghost of Obi-Wan go's next to Yoda and says "He is our only hope" or something and Yoda answers "No, there's another" or something so this makes one believe that Obi-Wan didn't know about Leia.

Yeah just took that quiz and apparently i'm Vader. ;D
Hurrayyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!! :hihi:

Dude, read the fucking thread before replying in the future....

Let me get my hands on you and you will get your ass so red you'll be begging me to stop  :rant:

Well this didn't come out quite the way it was suppose to (I'm quite high at the moment) so what makes me wonder is why Lucas made the ending like that?

It just messes the continuity of the later (earlier) films.

That sounds really sexy.

Well I just saw the film on friday night and just barely got a ticket as the show was sold out. The movie was pretty damn good in comparison to the earlier episodes and I thought the "crowning of Vader" : ok: was wicked. I thought Ian McDiarmard's performance stuck out as the best although Obi Won vs Anakin kicked toooo much ass.

Episode 7, 8 and 9 anyone?  ;D

I thought about that too, but maybe Obi Wan doesn't think of her because she hasn't been trained to be a Jedi, whereas Luke has. Just a thought.

I saw the movie last monday in Gold Clas cinema and I loved it! :beer:
George Lucas has definitely redeemed himself with this movie.

Star Wars fans would be pleased to know that George has more future Star Wars stuff in mind apart from the movies. I read that he plans to film a spin-off TV series in Australia which is set between Episode 3 and 4, but not based on the main characters in the movies.

When was Luke trained to be a Jedi before he meet Obi?

Most of lukes training came from Yoda didn't?

sorry jessica, its just that axl refers to women as bitches so he makes the word seem cool. dam u axl

Yeah, and Yoda's training of Luke had already started by then.

your right  : ok:


Don't know what I was think when I typed that

saw ROTS twice, loved it. It's my second favorite in the series, right behind ESB. As for there being things that don't make sence, like when in Ep.5 Obi Wan says "He was our last hope," when he was there when Luck and Lei were born, remember that Lucas kind of made up the storyas he went along. He made the first 3 movies 20-27 years ago...

Actually yeah I tend to agree, as Obi Wan would have known that Luke WASN'T the last hope, because he would have seen Leia in the recording/message she put in R2D2. I can't remember, did he recognise her in the recording?

Yes, we understand why there are errors. It's still inexcusable, these are major features of the original three and one wonders if he's watched them recently....


This has been raised a lot in this thread - and originally by me, stop stealing my ideas :rant:

Sadly the answer is that she just remembers albeit she was 30 seconds old - i suppose she is a potential jedi....its possible


I suppose the only concievable answer is one of 2 possibilities

Obi wan is sexist and doesn't believe in female jedi's.....

or

He just doesn't know/realise Leia has the force, perhaps because her attunement to the force is so limited he couldn't sense her 'prescence' - after all Vader couldn't either from a meter away :)

I suppose the only concievable answer is one of 2 possibilities

Obi wan is sexist and doesn't believe in female jedi's.....

or

He just doesn't know/realise Leia has the force, perhaps because her attunement to the force is so limited he couldn't sense her 'prescence' - after all Vader couldn't either from a meter away :)

Also remember this scene was filmed at a time when Lucas was planning on 9 movies, Yoda could have been refering to someone that we wouldnt be seeing until those episodes. Just a thought. This notion that Lucas had all these movies already planned out in 1975 is totally false. I have a book that shows some of the early drafts of episode 4-6 and there was some serious changes made. In one draft Princess Leia was nowhere in the movie at all. In some drafts it was Anakin Starkiller looking for his father. There was no master plan 30 years ago is all I'm saying.

Besides word has it that Lucas might make some serious changes to Episode 4-6 after he does the 3-D treatment to them.

I heard about that, the original three are sooo good but they could do with an overhall - the special editions and DVD's haven't gone nearly far enough, they have just fiddled with the edges. I really want that last space battle in ROTJ redone - just looks increddibly dated and limited with whats come later.

I dont know if we heard the same thing but from what I am hearing, Lucas is toying with the idea of completely recasting and refilming 4-6. This of course hasnt been confirmed but it comes from someone whos sister works at ILM, so who knows. The 3-D thing was confirmed by Lucas though.

I heard about the full 3-d thing - and for all 6!

But redoing the original three - no way! That's not going to happen and i will happily place a bet on that. That's absurd from any angle - esp from the point of view of 20th Century Fox who would have to bankroll this - why would they want films they already have, done again? It wouldn't be profitable

Lucas has said he wants to move on from Star Wars (after a series and the 3-d thing) if he wanted to make three Star Wars films even his warped logic would drag him towards ep. 7,8,9

I agree it makes no sense but Hollywood is not built on logic. Remakes are very popular nowadays since alot of people cant seem to come up with original ideas anymore.

I'm not sure what role 20th century fox plays in the producing the films anymore, as Lucas finances all of the filming himself.

He does?

A remake could not work - the films were a success not because of the sets or effects but because of the characters in these environments - without Harrison Ford's Han Solo and Antony Daneils incredibly gay C-3PO and all the others it wouldn't work, can u see Darth Vader without James Earl Jones's voice being anything more than embarassing?

Yeah, he has his own production company, does he not...

On the 'remakes'....Not a chance.

Can you imagine a single part of what Darth does, says or how he acts being changed without being anything more than embarassing? Noooooooooooooo way........................ :-[

Ok, I've seen it twice now.

The last hour and a half is amazing... the only thing that sucks about this movie is when people are talking.

"Its because I'm so in love with you"
"No, its because I'm so in love with you!"

"NOooooooooo!"

Hard to sit through, but towards the end it seems to work.  The lava battle was everything anyone could hope for.  I'm glad they mentioned Qui-Gonn and the "trick to immortality", but there wasn't much of an explanation... has anyone read the novel? maybe there is more on that topic?  The final scene is great with Luke being held in front of the twin suns.

http://unitedstatesofno.ytmnd.com/

This been posted before? Not to my knowledge.

Ahh hehehe.

I wonder if that "nooooo" will ever get cool, if I see it enough times....

yea i thought the last scene was brilliant, a bit sad though what with yoda goin in2 exile an all.

i hope to god that they dnt make remakes of the original 3! it would be so stupid anwrong!why ruin sumthin classical?!

Yesterday I saw Phantom menace I have to say That in the 3 original part there's no trace of Qui-Gon Jin Yet he trained Obi Wan, In Episode 5 Obi Wan ask yoda that he was the same when he was traine by him, If Im not mistaken this means that yoda trained Obi-Wan, or am I wrong??  ???

I still don't get what was so wrong with the scream at the end, he turned to the darkside only to save Padme and then he is told he killed her, he isnt all the way dark yet so how else would he react? He Lost everything!

that scream signified his complete change to the dark side. nothing at all gay about it.

Some of you are putting too much reality into this movie.

Is it realistic that Leia could remember her mother having only been born for some seconds before she died?

In real life NO but this is a futuristic fictional movie.

Fuck it, if they can replace all of Anakin's limbs, If they can fly in space and shoot at each other then why the fuck not?

Maybe they can remember stuff at an earlier age in that time period.

It would be the equivolent of saying, "How could they save Anakin's life after having his limbs chopped off and burnt to hell" but "they still haven't figured out how to deliver children without having death at pregnancy"

If you try you can make any fictional movie seem ridiculous, best thing is to not overanalyze and try to make 100 percent sense of everything.

Leia SAYS in Ep.6 when asked what she remembers: "Just feelings really, images" -- I'm not positive what Luke says after this, but is it not possible that when he says "I never knew my mother, I never met her" that he knows what "feelings" and "images" Leia is talking about because he had them to?

As for the "NO"... its not so much that Anakin is upset that Padme is dead.... just that the scream was terrible.

So the actual person doing the scream or the fact its in there?


Maybe Leia had a stronger connection, maybe she has some deeper type of power than Luke had, hell I dont know, Im just saying, there are probably a whole lot of things if u really dissected that wouldnt add up but overall considering he had to tie everything in over 25 years later, I think he didnt a great job all things considered.

Obi wan was trained by Yoda when he was a youngling and by Qui qon when he was a padwan

Indeed - terrible acting

As for the whole Leia remembering thing - the only exp is that its a careless error and u just got to leave it at that, Lucas fucked up.

most of the inconsistencies that exist in the movies can be explained when you realise that there may be more to the story than you know...Leia could have been the weaker of the twins as she was the second born for instance, when it comes to twins, often there is a stronger and a weaker twin...

Leia obviously could not know her mother but she may have been shown images or visuals of her when she was young...therefore she could have known her in this respect

I dont understand why people are laughing at Vaders scream at the end of the film...he just found out he lost his true love along with his child (or children as it turned out to be) and being burnt to a crisp and betrayed by Obi-Wan...to me it was the dark side completely taking hold of him

The film was brilliant, everything I thought it could be...especially the ending...it was a nice touch with Luke's uncle looking into the sky at tatooines setting suns mimicking Luke doing the exact same thing in Episode 4, I identified with that image of Luke and is my favourite scene in all the movies...must be the scotsman in me :)

Why keep trying to understand why Leia still remembers her mother, she remember her step mother not Padme, she was raised by Senator Organa

not according to what was said in return of the jedi and on starwars.com

LUKE: Leia... do you remember your mother? Your real mother?
LEIA: Just a little bit. She died when I was very young.
LUKE: What do you remember?
LEIA: Just...images, really. Feelings.

she remembers Padme, her real mother

She remembers feelings.. Images

Fuck why not?

We see babies as of how we are but maybe she has a certain gift that would allow her to remember feelings and images.

The whole movie requires a suspense of disbelief so I dont see why it can't be done with that as well.

Do u even watch the films?

Luke asks if she remembers her real mother and she says yes

That's a commendable attitude, but sometimes a mistake is a mistake, there is no way she could remember her mother, Lucas just cut corners to fit his new story - what was said in ROTJ proved inconvenient to Lucas so he just skipped over it assuming we were to stupid to notice.

After all in order to incorporate waht was said in Jedi Padame would have had to live for atleast 5-6 years after the birth which just makes problems for the story, Lucas could have resolved it with a little better planning but i suppose when u write three films and make just the one glaring error, that is faily comendable.

Its the acting not the scream itself - a better acted, slightly more subtle scream would have worked fantastically, but the hideously over blown 'NOOOOOOOOO' just brings out sniggers - its just weak voice acting

Of course I did, but do I keep the whole script in my Head?, fuck no!! Maybe if I buy the movies then I will understand what you are saying so Im going to do that.
Anyway is a movie base on science fiction you expect anything real?? you think that jedi's exist or something? you think that someone, who's not jesus oviously, was born without a father?
Well When I watch the whole 6 movies very closely I will make more post, for now My apollogies for saying what I want  ;D

maybe youre just tooo hard to please :P

where you see a glaring error, i dont see it as an error at all...you assume that in the Star Wars universe the children dont remember anything from childhood, you assume they are human...they arent human...a long time ago in a galaxy far far away remember...nobody has jedi powers on earth as i recall so do you see that as an error too?

when it comes to science fiction you have to suspend your beliefs...you are placing people outwith the normal perimeter of society and putting the characters into places unnatural...science fiction gives you a chance to extend the limits of experience and to look at events and people from a different perspective without normal prejudices...you have made the mistake of prejudging Leia to be human...open your mind and see science fiction for what it is, a new perspective

so thats the extent of your complaint? weak acting...plenty of weak acting (and cheesy dialogue) in all 6 star wars films...thats a part of its appeal imo...but Revenge of the Sith is the best acted film of all Star Wars films...Hayden and Ewan were excellent

Now, I'm not one for 'lol' posts....

...And if anybody posts one I'll kick their ass.

But I'm above the law, and that ^ deserved one.? :yes:

But maybe that's just the geek in me.

Back on the real subject, I still haven't seen it a second time round. Haven't had time. So, what's it been like second viewing? I can only imagine it as being even better...Seriously.

LUKE: Leia... do you remember your mother? Your real mother?
LEIA: Just a little bit. She died when I was very young.
LUKE: What do you remember?
LEIA: Just...images, really. Feelings.

It seems to me like the "images" and "feelings" could easily just be seeing Padme right after she was born.  Leia doesn't say that she remembers Padme teaching her how to ride a bike or anything.  Considering they are a Jedi family, why is this out of the question?

Here are the books that pick up after ROTJ.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/Vampire80/st3.jpg)

Those books are well after ROTJ from what I can remember... the first authorized books that continued the series were a trilogy written by Timothy Zahn.  I think they were even bestsellers when they were released.

I've read most of them

To say they are awful is the biggest understatement u can make. Avoid them with every fibre of your being.

By your logic anything can be dismissed in ANY film by claiming 'oh its not real' - i can use that to defend anything in any film and yet clearly there are careless mistakes which undermine the films.

Yes i had worked out its not real - i was criticising it on its own grounds for things it failed to do in the universe it created.

Well, not really...

See, you can't do that with films that are supposadly set in our world. You can't make excuses for 'mistakes' in them. Such an example is the neo-realist films of the 40's, as well as any "serious" release you'd care to mention.

Then, you have films set in our world, but not really 'our' world. A version of our world where things are slightly...different. And rules can be bent; on purpose mind, by the director. Such an example is Kill Bill.

Lastly, there are films not set in our world at all. Yet, while there are still rules, these can be bent to no end...bent full circle, in fact. Such an example is Star Wars....

But, even with that asside, the notion that Leia remembers images of her mother from after her birth is not foreign to me at all. It is well documented that some people (claim to) remember being born...Some even being in the womb...Whether you believe them or not, however...

I think, while George altered the story, being that in his head originally Leia had been a lot older when her mother died, he realised that with this change, it still made sense. More of an alteration that fits, than a mistake.

It's not like in ROTJ Leia said was born a boy and then...urm....Ahem. Well. It's not a glaring error, anyway.

But guys, we're starting to sound like fanboys now.

thanks for laughing...how much do i owe you? ...apart from that female wookie we discussed...

I find it hard to believe you've read all 90 of the Star Wars books!! ::)

Retard

I've read most of them - not all of them - hence why i said MOST, not all, i've read scores of them, i own scores of them, all the major ones ive read, some of them several times - half of them where so forgetable i can remember little more than the title and the feeling of dread remembering that gives me

Before the internet i read loads - and sadly rather than read good books i read Star Wars books

They are all dire - except the Dark Empire comics/book, they kick ass and would have made a fantasic parts 7,8,9

They all miss what Star Wars was about - bad acting and mistakes :D - they are also badly written - 10 pages to describe a tree - this is sci-fi not Charles Dickens

Screw you!!!

Well done :D

Next time maybe u'd like to add something or better yet respond to what's been said not what u'd like to read?

Has anyone else read these curious post-Jedi books, what did u think? I'm afraid Death Stars shaped like lightsabres proved too much for me

my brother read them, ill ask him wat he thought. : ok:

Did annikan remind anyone else of Brad Pitt a little?

 :peace:
Cubb

i read the timothy zahn book Heir to the Empire...i must agree it was dire reading...probably the worst book i have ever read...

Yes, especially the part where he left Padme to go hook up with Angelina Jolie ;)

i almost  :'(  in it. its teribly sad. this is the onli star wars movie that emotionally gript me. its the best star wars eva

 :rofl:

Genuis


Yeah - a Star Wars book without any kind of 'war', though i must say Zahn's books where probably the best of the ones i read - though that hardly says much for the others...

 :rofl: :hihi:

no but seriously, just the way he was speakin reminded me so much of brad pitt, did no one else see that?
 :peace:

That scene where he greets Padme after crash landing the ship, well I heard a big "RIP!"...

...cause he ripped a page outta Pitt's acting book.

So yes, I noticed it as well.

Thankyou! I knew someone else must have noticed it!
 :peace:

I'm jumping a little late on this one... WARNING - SPOILERS

Seen it 2 times, and oh boy... I have no words to describe such a excellent movie (IMHO). Absolutelly fantastic. For me is the best of all 6 (yes, for ME, you don't have to agree so don't damn me ;D)

Hayden's acting is awesome (and also fuck... he's hot, but that's abother story...)

Let's start some debate here....

Point 1: one missing thing, who the fuck is Syfo Dias (the Jedi that ordered the clones)?? There's no mention on him, meaning we don't know who he is. My theory: Count Dooku using another Jedi name after he (Dooku) left the order.


Some high points

* The final scene is brilliant: that image of the death star being build made my blood freeze - absolutelly great

*Anakin talking with Palpatine after killing Windu, crying, kneelled, saying "Yes, my master" - Oh god - no words for that

* Anakin killing the padawans -? :o - Didn't thought he would dare

* Ani Vs Obi - "I HATE YOU!!" - MEMORABLE

* Obi: "You were the chosen one! - his face showing pain and deception speaks for itself

* Anakin entering the Jedi temple followed by the clones - makes you wanna join the Sith - it's impressive and top class

* Jedi's dying, specially Aylaa Secura - froze me seeing her fall and being dead and the clones continue shooting. Mundi's (the one with long face) surprised face - makes you sad

* Dooku's face when Palpatine tells Anakin "Kill him", like saying "WTF??!! I'm your apprentice!"

* Palapatine telling anakin the story of his master and the midiclorians - what a twisted fucker! he easily bought him!

* Anakin's face - half sad, half angry, thinking what to do - Hayden proved to be an excellent actor and that he deserved the role of Vader.

* First Vader breath: magnificent!!!! :peace: : ok:

ok, this went long, but what can you expect from a SW fan?? ;D

Indeed

I though that but it can't be - Yoda knew of Dooku and a master Syfo Dias (conversation between Obi wan on Genosis and Yoda in the council) - so they have to be different people

Is it possible Darth Maul was Syfo Dias? Maybe that was makeup he was wearing or had been disfigured and thus wasn't recognised by Qui quon?

It is somewhat confusing - Lucas loves to leave holes in his work

what I mean is that Dooku posed as Syfo Dias -
Remmeber that Tawn We (kamino cloner) said to Obi "Tell your master Syfo Dias that we are on schedule", and later on Obi asks Jango when Syfo contacted him and Jango replies "I don't know anyone called like that (or so). I was hired by someone called Tyranus (Sith name of Dooku)

Syfo Dias was a Jedi that died around the time of Qui Gon's death or earlier (Remember Obi saying "I had the impression master Syfo Dias died before" (or sth similar).

Extra: about errors: I don't care about the "errors" - I have an explanation for all of the except 1 (not mentioned in this thread before)

When Obi gives Luke the lightsaber, he says "Your father wanted you to have it" - we all know that is not true, my explanation would be that Obi lied to Luke not to hurt him (u know... dude, your dad is a bad ass called Vader - no way he could tell him that, so he chose to lie). The inexplicable error is:

EP3: Obi Vs Ani, both have BLUE Lightsabers. After Ani is defeated Obi picks Ani's LS and walks away... 20 years later we see Obi giving Luke anakin's lightsaber and is *mistery music* GREEN.


ps: love a SW debate :D ;D

Its only green for 1 second when activated on the Falcon - its blue the rest of the time :) Its just an error when they coloured them in (they were just glass poles and then in post production they added colour - thats why Vader's lightsaber is seen as white in the video release after he kills Obi Wan)

but I mean when Obi gives Luke the LS in the Larrrs' farm (remmeber Luke examinating it)

No, thats blue, maybe u have a dud version - too much watching! Its a very very pale blue in those scenes, virtually white

It does go green briefly while on the Falcon but its blue the rest of the time.

i have the remastered version, and the scene has a green LS - I'll make a screenshot later and post it ;)

Okay, if i have time i'll slap on the DVD - the bit in Obi Wan's hut right? 'Your father wanted u to have this' - i'll check it out, but i have now watched the film so many times (in the last month alone!) - i notice these things, i'll be astounded if i've missed it.

exactly that scene - I have the sets of DVDs that in ep 6 has Hayden's image instead of the original dude

I don't know about the edited to death DVDs, but the original VHS tape has a blue lightsaber when Luke first receives it on Tatooine.

the first post explains much about sifo-dyas...interesting read much of it coming from the book Labyrinth of Evil...the source was George Lucas himself

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=general_star_wars&message.id=45115

THANK YOU SO MUCH! I was looking for a reliable source!

youre welcome...the info sounds quite credible...if you read the book, let us know how good it is lol

down here is difficult to get those books, the few u find are fucking expensive :(

I checked the DVD and videos - Luke's lightsaber is blue (with the exception of the several second shot on the Falcon in the DVD releases)

I'm gonna have to assume ur version is defective or maybe the contrast/brightness of ur tv is off slightly?

no, my copy is a straight copy done myself from the original DVD from Blockbuster.
I didn't forgot to make the screens, it's just that episode 3 finished downloading and I HAD to watch it again ;D I promise tonight I'll post my screenshots.

the lightsabre colour, well you both could be right, some people see some colours of the spectrum slightly differently depending on the cones on the retina and the signals perceived by the brain.

i remember seeing either a green or blue lightsabre right throughout the film, on the falcon its definitely green in my eyes and when obi wan shows it to luke for the first time it looks green to me also

god damnit - do we need a poll on this?

Geroge Lucas backs my side of the story :hihi:

so your videos arent overplayed like you thought jenny's were? if they were overplayed then of course by your reasoning they would have faded/poor colour...which means how can you use your video as evidence?

of course you never considered your version was defective did you? :P

Q is a master of logic

I have the videos and 2 copies of the dvd - they all show blue - i don't think all three are likely to be wrong. Plus they are supposed to be blue. Plus no one else has claimed otherwise.....

Izzy, my friend, you were right, I checked ANH again and indeed the LS was blue, not green. For a split of a second it was green, but just that. :)

I was going to bring this up when the movie first came out but I forgot about it............

Has anyone else noted that Anakin/Vader never wins a saber fight in any of the movies
Episode 1: to young, no saber battles
Episode 2: Loses to Count Dooku
Episode 3: Beats Dooku but only because Dooku is under orders not to kill Anakin by Palpatine(from the novel). He makes a sneak attack on Mace. Loses to Obi-Won
Episode 4: Only beats Obi-Won when Kenobi intentionally drops his guard
Episode 5: Cant finish off Luke despite Luke not being fully trained
Episode 6: Loses to Luke

I dont read any of the extended universe novels, but going just by the movies Anakin/Vader wasnt tha great of a warrior. Strong with the "force" yes, but not much of a fighter when faced against an opponent of comparable skill.

Lol - i think he beat Dooku, but hell, if the book says so :)

I suppose thats a bit of mystery to the films - was Anakin really ever the chosen one? U can use ur points for the 'against' argument.

 :)

U had me worried i was colour blind! Glad its all settled

It does go green very briefly on the Falcon, i never noticed on the video release but its very evident on the dvd - ah remastering, in this case going badly wrong!

There was a scene filmed that was cut, right after the emperor tells Anakin to kill Dooku, Dooku turns to the emperor and says "You promised I'd be spared" It was cut when Lucas decided it wuld raise too much suspicion in Anakin too early in the movie. The novel made it very clear that Dooku was not going all out against Anakin because the Emperor wanted Anakin alive.

Sounds about right

I still don't understand why Palpatine was 'kidnapped' seemed an incredibly risky way to achieve nothing.....

It was described as palpatines plan to stage his kidnapping inorder to lure Anakin and Obi-Won back from what ever assignment they were on for the Clone Wars. It was ultimately Palpatines plan to eliminate Dooku and open a spot to lure Anakin as his new apprentice. Thats why Dooku was told to take it easy on Anakin and that Palpatine would use his control over Anakin to spare him.

hehehe...i couldnt resist teasing you :P ....  especially since you said we agreed on most things...

well he killed all those trainee jedi children...does that not count? lol

"I must have killed like, 200 kids.  But my dickhead lieutenant comes up to me and says,  " Stern, those are little kids, that counts as one person." "
            - Howard Stern "Private Parts"

Yeah - but under closer inspection that falls to bits

There is a line in which Anakin says if this hadn't happened he would never have got back from the Outer Rim - and yet they can travel there and back in a day, so its not as if he was really that far away....I always thought it was weird they could travel from one side of the galaxy in hours.....

Getting your entire fleet trashed just to meet up with Anakin just doesn't make sense...

Not that i'm saying ur explanation is wrong - it isn't, i'm just hoping someone thinks of a better one


Why u.....

I saw the movie, it fucking rocked! But I forget a few parts already. Before Obi-Wan fought Darth Vader, didn't someone tell him that Anakin joined the Dark Side in order to know he had to fight him?? Didn't Obi-Wan tell Padme that Anakin joined the dark side but she refused to believe him? When the fuck is this movie coming out on DVD/VHS? >:(

November 8th

Really ? so soon ?  :D

Thanks for letting me know that dude. : ok: Now can someone help me refresh my memory?

-Obi-Wan saw the hologram at the Jedi Temple of Anakin killing the Jedi and kneeling before the Emperor

-Padme didnt believe Obi-Wan. You are correct.

Revenge of the Sith = Anakin killed Dooku after making him submit. Obi-Wan was knocked out.
A New Hope = Vader kills Ben (sure Ben let him win, the point is he won  :P)
Empire Strikes Back = Vader cuts off Luke's hand forcing him to "run away", thus beating him

Has anyone heard what the old stars think of the prequels,like Harrison Ford, Mark Hammil, or Carrie Fisher?

Not really I haven't hear or read anything at all  :(
Anyway last weekend I saw the six movies and the clone wars in a row, so I've got a few questions.
1.- In ESB Obi-Wan said that Yoda trained him but never mention Qui-gon
2.- for Izzy this one. I checked all day long about the famous line "do you remember your mother, your real mother?" well if you watch that escene closely you'll see that Leia really thinks that her real mother it's the Senators wife from Alderan right? she doesn't know that Luke is his brother yet until he said the whole Vader is my father stuff. So ... any answers  ???

gosh what a big quality shift when you went from the new movies to the old ones ;D

i think both of your answers are that : this is why star wars is such a fantastic realistic story.
people forget
people make mistakes
they get confused.
their rationality is limited.

i like that there are a lot of things that are unclear and moot. iit's good. it's gives power to the movies.

I think Phantom of the menace and Attack of the Clones are brilliant too, unlike other people.

But here's something I bet you people didn't notice... If you watch Phantom of the menace, In like middle of the movie like around the young anikan/podracing part. When the politics are having the debates in that huge room when all those groups of like 2 people/creatures are in those round things, know what I'm talking about? If you look very closely and listen too, you can see two wookies and hear them roar.

I don't know if anyone notice that In revenge of the sith, in the part when Anakin and Obi-wan return from saving Senator Palpatine you can see the milenium falcon landing from outer space ;)
Wat-ever does that mean it is supossed to be flaws in the whole saga?  ???

When I first saw the scene when the Jedi Council said they were teaming up with the wookies to battle the droids, I said out loud in the theater "Yes! right on , dude" they made an awesome return. Episoe III was even better than some of the old ones , I put it right next to Empire Strikes Back.

really ? man, i saw ep3 and ep2 only once ... and i hated them so much, it made me like ep1

well i hope so. flaws (in characters rationality) is what makes good stories great stories.
there are numerous flaws in the lord of the rings (well in the whole tolkien lore) and that's what makes it great (for tolkien freaks)

like, imo, i think that the stormtroopers are NOT the clones ... some people say they are

No....

Its a mistake, that simple, u can either accept that or not - considering we liked the films soley for their special effects i guess it doesn't matter about the plot holes at all, we only pay attention during the battles anyway!

It's only natural there will be those holes as Lucas wasn't planning three more when he made Jedi - i suppose its amazing it works at all!

For Leia to have remembered her mother she'd have had to been atleast 5 - but that was impossible to work into Ep.3 without some pretty major changes in how it ends, so they just ignored it, it was the easiest thing to do - i'd probably have done it too cos i can't think of a way it could be done

The error that really annoys me and which was so easy to avoid was Obi Wan knowing about Leia in Ep.3 but not in the later films - all they needed to do was have Obi wan not be present at the births and told of only one child for secrecy's sake. Easy.

Of course they are... that's why Leia says to Luke: "Aren't you a little short to be a Stormtrooper?"

And you never see them without their helmets.

Wasn't the stormtroopers made in the attack of the clones?

oh and how come niether han solo, or anybody talked about how the troopers looked the same when they steal their armors  ?
there is no reference about the troopers being clones, because at that time lucas wans't sure about the story, when he made up the troopers he did not think about the clones yet ....
he then tried to fit the stories. but way before the new episodes, the world of star wars has been used and expanded...and troopers were known to be hired like normal people ... (cf. official games, books ....)

Good point on that but if you hear thier voices they all sounded the same but when Luke and Han are wearing the helmets they sounded exactly like them, so I think is just interpretation right? so...  ::)

Although Leia wasn't a  jedi knight , but maybe because that was in her blood she was able to remember her mom just a small bit, the force was with her too.

You are correct. I have the book that has all the variations of the original scripts for Episodes 4-6. There were alot of references made to Clones in the various drafts but nothing that tied them to the storm troopers.

oh and how come niether han solo, or anybody talked about how the troopers looked the same when they steal their armors ?
there is no reference about the troopers being clones, because at that time lucas wans't sure about the story, when he made up the troopers he did not think about the clones yet ....
he then tried to fit the stories. but way before the new episodes, the world of star wars has been used and expanded...and troopers were known to be hired like normal people ... (cf. official games, books ....)

Ehhhhh.... I'm not sure.  There was no need for Han or Luke to mention that all the stormtroopers look the same, the whole galaxy would know about the clone wars.  Also, Boba Fett's character feels like he has an "important" history that we don't know about (and not just some bounty hunter that happened to catch Han Solo).

I'm pretty sure that Lucas knew from the beginning that the Stormtroopers were clones.  I mean, what would the Clone Wars be about if not to create the army?

http://www.winterson.com/2005/06/episode-iii-backstroke-of-west.html#ha

Someone bought a bootleg copy of Episode 3 in China. This site is some screen captures that show the english subtitles to the Chinese voice overs. Some are pretty damn funny.

Storm troopers arn't clones - hell they all have different voices and different heights! :hihi:

Is the Episode 3 DVD out?, A friend told me that he saw it last week in LA but he couldn't bought it, he came to Ecuador empty handed  :(
So Im telling a friend that lives in Washington so when she comes back bring me the Episode 3  ;D
Anyone?

Over here its been out for a week or so, got my copy that day

U poor sod, sounds like ur country is about 8 months behind the rest of us :no:

What are the deleted scenes like on the DVD?

8 months??  not in our wildest dreams, perhaps 8 centuries should fit, but yeah I have to tell all my friends that doesn't live here so they can bring the original stuff cause here the pirates are in abundance.

Nothing too special.

A scene of Anakin and Obi Wan working their way through the ship trying to rescue Palpatine at the beginning of the film

About 3 scenes showing the meetings that led to the development of the Empire

The scene that shows Yodah landing on Dagobah

At work yesterday, I had to spend around 15 minutes explaining to this guy who had just finished watching episode 3, that episodes 1, 2 and 3 are prequels to the old 4, 5 and 6.. he still didn't understand!  :hihi:

You never told us you work with D!

To answer the question about stormtroopers having different heights in Episodes 4-6; play the new Battlefronts 2 game and you will have your answer

What's the answer?

There are going to be inconsistencies between 1, 2, 3, and 4, 5, 6. In 1977 Lucas wasn't thinking about how the clones would be explained in 2002. Btw, how does Vader take a dump?

He doesn't he is like robocop, he makes some sort of smashed potatoes thing  :hihi:

The Battlefronts 2 game actually follows a storyline that picks up from the end of Episode 3. It shows how the Empire goes throughout the galaxy stomping out the uprising that happens.

At one point the people who were developing the clones on Kamino start to develop an army to fight against the Empire. One of the missions in the game is to invade Kamino, wipe out the "new" clone army, and to capture the DNA that is being used to develop the clones.

After you complete this mission, you are told the story of how after this incident the emperor dissolved the cloning process and started recruiting soldiers, both willing and unwilling, to become the new wave of stormtroopers

I got the game - not impressed with it - are ur team mates deliberately stupid?

Just ignore the ''lore'' that these games give out - i used to read up on it all, its all written by idiots - thankfully the new films destroyed much of the lore Lucasfilm had OFFICIALLY sanctioned previously:nervous:

Awful!

They look like they were made with a budget of about 5 quid - and Lucas cut them because they are awful, would have totally destroyed the momentum of the film.

The sequences with the Alliance - argh - Natalie Portman cannot act, i cringed at every line she delivered, no wonder they cut those scenes with her dire performances - what made Ep3 so good is that she had so few lines to ruin

Are you saying that Natalie Protman is a bad actress or she couldn't act like a decent Amidala? cause I think that NP has great performances in other movies and she's a great actress, at least in the ones I've seen.

Well, she is dreadful in all 3 Star Wars films so i have my doubts


I hope so - maybe Lucas's script is to blame...

I dont consider her a great actress but she was entertaining in other films. She did have quite a few cringe inducing scenes over the course of the new trilogy. Lucas can't write dialogue, I feel that has been established. He should have given someone with that ability the out line of what was to happen and let that person write the dialogue. Kevin Smith comes immediately to mind.

Well I know that GL doesn't give a great script specially in the last Epi, but I don't think that NP is a bad actress I think it should be blame the dialogue  :yes:
Kevin Smith is a great writter but he wouldn't do a good job in Star wars perhaps too much sarcasm  :-\

Well watch the deleted scenes on ep.3 - and u'll see what i mean, her delivery is so very poor, sounds really unnatural and forced

I will but as I've seen they sucked so the expectation it's quite low. Any other deleted escenes in the other episodes?

I was talking with a friend and he told me that he thinks that Darth Plagueius created anakin Skywalker cause he was the only one that can manipulate the midiclorians, I think that could be 50% true and 50% false, I mean why he create someone who later is going to destroy the sith, so that's where I think my friend is wrong.

Sorry to bring back this old thread but I think there are many people that can also have their own thoughts about this.

Vaders Mom did say that there was never a Father in Episode I.  I had come to the same opinion. : ok:

Plagues wouldn't of thought of Vader having children or being trained by the Jedi, so he probably never figured that Vader would destroy the Sith.  Perhaps the Jedi got to Vader as a child before the Sith?

I would think so, but why Schmi? and why so far away the federation? shouldn't anakin be discover by the sith before the jedis? I know the sith didn't and I havent though about that Plague thinking that Vader shoiuldn't have offsprings but hey they can forsee the future dont they?  :confused:

... Or, Plagueius just did the sex to Schmi while she was asleep.


(Seriously though... I never heard that before. Though, I've never really heard many theories or subplots outside the movies.... While interesting, it just sounds a bit strange to me, and without motive)

I was going to dig this thread up anyway.............

I dont think his mother was being completely honest with the "Their was no father" comment. It almost seemed like a defensive response like she was the one who raised him, with no help so their was no father figure. Just my opinion.

Now what I was going to dig this up for.............

Now that Episode III has been out for over a year now, have you gone back and watched the original trilogy and now see things in a different way? I cant look at Vader and not think that its Anakin inside there now and why he became what he is. As far as that character goes, it completely changed the way I see the movie. Vader went from the greatest villain to one of the most tragic figures.

I'm still not sure why he could sense his sons presence from across the universe but when his daughter is standing right infront of him................. nothing.

Plot hole.  : ok:

I'm pretty sure that the Leia as sister/daughter wasn't thought up until at least during the writing of Empire. I may be wrong, because as I say I'm not drenched in knowledge (... of Star Wars), but I'm pretty sure that I read that Obi-Wan's "...Vader murdered your father," was the original plot line.

I haven't seen the old movies since, not one... I am definitely going to, but I didn't want to do it straight away. Maybe I'll do a six day thing during the summer. We did a 5 movie marathon before Sith, and it wasn't as fun as I thought it would be......

So he control Schmi midiclorians and seducted her but Plague didnt penetrate her cause Anakin was created out of nothing? mmmmm thats kinda ludacris  :-\


I think Thats because the force wasnt strong in her cause she hasn't be in the jedi activity, remeber when Qui-gon met anakin He also didn't felt the large amount of midiclorians that he had so that could explain that

Perhaps the reason why Sidious didn't know about Vader was because Sideious killed Palgueis? ?Plagueis perhaps didn't tell Sidious about his project because he wanted the "perfect" apprentice?

What's more ludacris, eh Tight Grip,

the suggestion, or the fact that you took it seriously..........

I don't think that I like the whole Anakin as a project idea though.

I'll do some digging around over the weekend. I have a book somewhere that has the scripts and re-writes for all of the original trilogy. There is alot of evidence in there that Lucas did not have a grand scheme of 6 movies back in 1975.

BTW, for the Lucas bashers. He will be releasing the original trilogy in their original forms, i.e. pre-special edition, on DVD later this year.

Aye, I'm pretty sure that you're right. Especialy if you watch some of the documentaries on A New Hope! Considering it was only titled Episode 4: A New Hope on it's re-release...

Episode 4 but, you are right.

It funny though, I've heard quite a few people insist that when they first saw Star Wars in 77 it said Episode IV: A New Hope then.

Once I find the book I'll post a couple of the major differences from what the original vision was. I usually only dig this book out to look up one item but wind up re-reading the whole damn thing.

Ha, erm, what are you on about......

The numbers are close together, all right!

It got a cinematic rerelease shortly after it's first run though, didn't it? I thought that was when it got the name change. So maybe the people that think it had the "episode 4" title when they first saw it think that they saw it's first cinematic run, when they didn't. Maybe I'm remembering wrong though, I haven't seen the documentary in a while.

Incidently, have you heard the story of when Lucas showed the first cut of the orignal Star Wars movie to the other brats... Spielberg, DePalma... It was before the film even had the dialogue at the beggining, I think that it was DePalma who was just like "What is this film on about?! What is going on?! There's no context man!"  :rofl:

DePalma did write the original scroll with Lucas so that makes sense :hihi:

From IMDB:
Upon its original release, the opening crawl did not include "Episode IV: A New Hope." According to Lucasfilm, this was added upon its re-release in 1978 or as late as 1981. The later print was the first one to be released on video, and all video, laserdisc or DVD releases have featured the subtitles. The theatrical cut DVDs, set to be released in September 2006, will be the first time that the original opening crawl, without subtitle, has been released on home video.


I'm leaning towards the 1981 date. I was absolutely mental about anything Star Wars and I remember seeing IV and V at a double feature and noticing that the "A New Hope" wasn't there the last time I saw the movie.

I'm not sure about the re-releases of the originals...

I think that what they should do, to round the franchise off once and for all, is wait for about a year to remaster the originals again. I know, it would be viewed by the cynics as another way to squeeze money... But they were remasted recently, for what was, what, the third time?, a fair few years ago, when CGI wasn't at it's best. I do feel that we're enetering the "golden age" of CGI now, and things like the Jedi Battle and some of the added structure/animal shots could do with a revamp.

So I think that they should wait, remaster the three original films when the CGI is good enough, and then release a 14 disc absoloute collectors box set. The two disc set of 1-3 (which include fucking benchmark extras), the remastered 4-5, the very first, original cut 4-5 and the bonus disc that came with the first DVD release. Then another disc full of a bunch of other shit.

Edit: Actually, better make it a 16 disc set! It should definitely include the Clone Wars cartoon!

I think that you also didn't like the joke  :-\

anyway,

There were suposed to be a cartoon thing about the events between episode 3 and episode 4, kinda like the clone wars.

Its not a cartoon.

It will be a live action television series. At least I know that is in the works and I think that is the time frame that it will cover.

Yeah I head that too.? It seems as though the show will be focusing on some new characters and perhaps some minor characters from the movies.

Maybe because I didn't understand what the heeeell you were on about!

Anyway,

I remember about reading about the proposed tv series a while back, but I don't remember any specifics. What position would Lucas have, just producer? Or not even that.......

It has the potential to be absoloutely fantastic, or... Just embarrasing.  :-\

Especialy live action. A cartoon would just be forgotten, but more live action......

When they re-release the origanals, will they also include the newer versions?

That's the thing... That's what I suggest, but only if they revamp them, and they aren't just repackaged.

I believe the concept will take up characters that are more from the extended universe than the main characters from the films. Its been awhile since I heard any news about it though.

I have read that Lucas is interested in the 3-D technolgy and is working on adapting all 6 movies to 3-D for future cinema release and possible inclusion into Jims huge box set.

Wahey! ;D

Come on though, it would be a monster, but the definitive!

I'm on your side. I'd get it the first day it comes out.

it was a fan fic film and it was already released....... last year sometime..... it takes into account things from the orgional sith war i beleive, about a comm network that exists under normal jedi communications and track the locations of all known jedi. its what vader used to track down and destry the jedi.

a couple jedi wash outs are the one doing the deal and they manage to wipe some of the entries from the db before the empire takes contorl of the acient temple

its worth a watch because there are some intresting plot lines that are opened to esp 4 and beyond like the plans for the orgional death star.... and a ship yard full of star and super star destroyers getting built.... some great cgi done it.... would rival that of esp 3 too...

all children born into the Republic have their meds scanned at birth and if you surpass a certain mark your parents are offered the option for you to be transfered to the Jedi for training and instruction in the force from an ealry age.... something like 3yrs old.

so If ole plaugy did make force the conception of anni he location is perfect and her station in life would be great as well. what better way to help build the needed mentailty to create teh perfect sith?...... i just think Palpy done in plaugy b4 he was going to pick up annin and dump palpy.....

now over all the Meds do look to create harmony... or balence to the force..... it could jsut have been a force conception on their part.

well force is based on your med count, could be that lukes was really high and lehia was low.... or because luke kind of nurtured his as a child could make it more of a beacon to daddy...... or it could be that all of the above plus anni knew he was having a kid.... a boy.... knew that something at that lvl must be luke his offspring and totaly untrained... where a trained jedi could vail himself from the darkside... or so they should be able to

here is the link to the fan film


http://www.panicstruckpro.com/revelations/

the fan film is different from the series.

Speaking of Star Wars, did anyone see that performance by Gnarls Barkley(Who I accidently thought was NBA Star Charles Barkley starting a music career) with him and the band dressing up as Star Wars characters at the MTV Movie Awards tonight? I thought it was strange, I was even laughing.

But that was a moviefan, made as a interlude between episode 3 and episode 4. I think kujo is right i heard somewhere that Lucas is planning to do some series about that events, but I heard somewhere it is going to be in cartoon, but I dont know for sure.


Well I still think is because Leia wasn't trained as a Jedi, but Luke met Obi-wan and he trained him as a Jedi.

Anakin was tricked ito being evil :rant:

and he's so scary cuz he killed a bunch of kids? gimme a break :rant: and they shoulda let Prowse be Vader...Christianson looked like an idiot jumping up and down for the whole 20 seconds Vader was in the movie ::)

Mr Lucas really fucked up what was a great set of movies IMHO...although I hope this TV show becomes a reality :hihi:

I saw that, I thought it was pretty amusing.
Darth Vader singing, Chewbacca playing drums. Stormtroopers playing Guitar and Bass, Jango Fett on keyboard. Plus miscellaneous characters doing background vocals. Plus it was a good song as well.