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Well?

It's human nature. And some conservatives would even say it's better than sex.  :hihi:

Why do I like to argue?  Because it gives me something to do, it gives me an excuse to procrastinate the things I should be doing.  Plus... I'm always right, so I like to strut my stuff!   :hihi:

are you serious?  Arguing is what makes this place -- and every other board out there -- interesting.

The world would be a dull place if we agreed all the time like robotic drones.

Of course I am.

I am not totally unaware of why....I'd just like deeper input.

Maybe we can even argue why.....could be fascinating.

Okay, here's something...

I think a good debate is good for the mind.  you may see others' points of view that you may not have seen before.  even if you don't believe what they're saying, you might at least see another side of the issue.

you don't have that dynamic when everyone agrees all the time.

Do you think people ever change each others minds though?

I'm not picking apart your post. I'm being serious....

Seems like people never switch over to the other sides point of view, no matter what the subject. I've only seen it once, and the guy turned out to be nuts anyway..... :hihi:

How hard is it to be right about Bon Jovi sucking?

Sheesh!   :hihi:

I think at first no ... but in the long run it can make you think and wonder !
This is my favorite place for debates ... It's here that I actually realised what a neo-con was.  :hihi:
And I used to like reading arguments between gnrnightrain and SLC (even if I used to tend to agree w/ SLC most of the time ;) )

I have.. Plenty of times. I have been pretty certain on some issues, and after some debate I have had to think my views through and change some of them, and sometimes - when the other party has been openminded as well - we have found whole new solutions to problems that neither of us had though of before. Surely there are people who "stick by what they believe in", no matter how stupid it may be. But that is just stupid. That's one of the reasons why I think the whole republican/democrat way of thinking is not all that good because it seems to me that there's a lot of "you're either with us or with them"-thinking going on, with neither side willing to give in one inch.

Worst, I think, are the people who take themselves seriously. The more seriously they take themselves, the harder it is for them to admit that they've been wrong about something. And leads us more and more to the us vs. them setting. I don't even dream of ever being all that smart... It makes my life whole lot easier. So what if an idiot like me is wrong on some issue on some internet board.. Doesn't effect my life in any negative way. If anything, it actually might have given me a new view on something that I hadn't thought of.

Lacking telepathy or some sort of all-encompassing collective that keeps us perpetually linked with one another, we have no choice but to approach our agreed upon sets of symbols - languages - from our own personal angles, riding our own subjective beasts down our own visceral paths in order to attempt to meet with each other on an objective middle ground, or some semblance of.

Individuality, eh?

We argue because its just better than sitting around waiting for Chinese Democracy to come out. 'Cides we get more done, too.   :P

Change people's minds? No, probably not. Or, at least, not often.

But, you don't need to change their minds to get them to understand your point.? They might not agree with you, or even acknowledge that your point is valid, but at least they understand you.? And you, them.

And understanding is a powerful thing.?

Because understanding can lead to compromise.

And compromise is the single greatest problem solving tool that ever existed.

Interpersonal problems, sure - in the domestic sense - but compromise doesn't really get one what one truly wants. Only verifiable power does that.

Now, refute me. Unless of course you wish to compromise...

I think we argue because world politics is based on two apposing extremes. Liberals, and Conservatives. It seems Liberals and Conservatives have completely different opinions on almost every major issue, and with no other credible options people take sides with one or the other. I think, also that these two apposing views may have caused the huge generation gap in the 60's and 70's. Because a lot of popular culture was begining to take very liberal standpoints, TV, music etc. whereas the previous generations seemed to be raised in a much more Conservative environment, that very rarely questioned politics/religion. Just my opinion.

In the face of existential notions you tout the political axis? You're gone by... :-\

It is an intellectual sparring match. How intellectual it is sonetimes is a bit to be desired.

As long as people don`t get too emotional & personal arguing is a good thing and can be constructive.

cos wer to stubborn to admit wer wrong

I'm using the political axis as the basis of my argument not as the begining and end of the subject.

Someone's been reading "The Art of War". :)

Sometimes verifiable power actually does the opposite.? It creates problems.

Oftentimes bending like the blade of grass is more beneficial than being rigid like bamboo.

Even the eternal rock compromises with Mother earth....slowly allowing her to reclaim small pieces of it through her forces of nature.

i like to argue for several reasons. it's fun. i have strong opinions on alot of issues. i like to get other people's views to see if there is anything i didn't consider that could change my mind about something. and it can be a good way to learn things (if you're arguing with someone that has some smarts).

and i'm sure another reason is that i have issues. ?:hihi:

Seems to me that you've created a be all and end all type of situation. One big blanket, really.

Now don't get me wrong! I do see where you're coming from, I just think it a tad puerile to wantonly throw everything into the umbra of a mere half realized axiom (the political axis in this case) that deals solely with the governmentally political side of things, because realistically individuals on the whole simply cannot be accurately labeled as either liberals or conservatives. It just doesn't work.


Actually someone's been reading a crappy Stephen King novel through pragmatic eyes.

Fuck the zoo!


Perhaps more accurately, it sometimes creates complications. And only then by the less powerful conglomerating in order to stymie and hamper the efforts of the powerful towards their ultimate goals at any given time by forcing the issue of a usually all-encompassing set of laws or some semblance of a generalized commonality being appealed to. Therefore it can be accurately stated that verifiable power is seldom - if ever - used. Rather, it is the implication of what said power could ultimately do that allows the powerful to move forward with their own agendas in the face of communally acceptable behavior. Notwithstanding of course the extenuating circumstances in which verifiable power is sometimes exercised.

I would refer you to the development, subsequent use and stockpiling of nuclear weapons as a perfect example of what I allude to above.


It's only more beneficial because the wind would be more powerful. Bend or crack essentially.

Besides, the grass is intrinsically and quiescently pliable. It doesn't have much say in the matter.


Enough with the Yodaisms already... :confused:

 :rofl:? ?:rofl:? ?:rofl:

bon jovi makes that debate far too easy.? I prefer to debate with the right wing nut jobs, not because they're not just as easy (because they are) but because they're outrageously comical, whereas bon jovi is just a mind - numbing irritation.? (Well... the right wing nut jobs are also mind - numbing... or should I say, numb in the mind... and they certainly are an irritation... )? hmmm.... then I guess... bon jovi is just not... comical... just vomit inducing!? :puke:

Well, I wasn't trying to label anybody and everybody as either Liberal or Conservative. What I was trying to do is outline the fact that with almost everything there are two sides and people tend to split over issues and perhaps become hostile to the other side. I just felt using the political axis as a guideline would be the easiest way to express it.

Looking at my original post again I realise I didn't make that clear, but that was my intention.

Heck, people here will argue forever about Slash and Buckethead...not just politics.....

You`re not kidding! Notice how many threads turn into that.

It is possible to appreciate both Slash & bucket as well as like VR and GNR at the same time. But it is fun to hop into that arguement when there is nothing else to talk about here!

Slash rules! Buckethead sucks balls!  :hihi:

yeah, not to mention Adler vs Sorum, Axl vs Weiland, Stradlin vs Clarke, the arguments are endless.