Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Since this board seems to be full of people who are really unhappy about the way Axl either looks and/or acts, I thought why not get a list together of the kind of Axl you people would really prefer to the real Axl.

So, post your list of things you'd change in Axl in this thread and who knows, maybe Axl v.2.0 will somebody everybody can like?  :hihi:



/jarmo

LOL

I dont give a rats ass how Axl looks.

All id change is that he updates the fans now and again with meaningful information - not vague promises, or 'burning hills' - style madness. Treat the fans with a bit more respect and Id be happy

As far as all his other idiosyncrisies (sp.?) go, thats all good with me. I can wait for CD, the odd update would be cool

You mean things like "we're still working on the album to make it the best possible album we can make"?

Yeah, more information could be nice, but do you understand why he might not say too much at this point?



/jarmo

Mental heath of Axl is my main concern.  If he has the confidence and the mental toughness that we all know he can acheive, his trademark look and attitude will come back.  So to answer the question, if he's mentally healthy, we'll all get the Axl of old.  Dominating and going by the beat of his own drummer.  Thats a look all his own. : ok:

I'd quite like him to be about 7 inches taller. He's too short as it goes right now.

So Axl, if you're reading this, try and grow about half a foot before the next tour.

Cheers, 2na.

Maybe we could put all these things together and make an online petition?

Dear W. Axl Rose, we the fans of your rock band Guns N' Roses (GN'R) feel you should change the following about your personality and appearance:

- Grow half a foot taller before the next tour (platform boots might be accepted as well if they're really cool looking).

- Etc.

 :hihi:




/jarmo

looooooooooooooooooooooooooool

and also to get slash out of his ass, that must be painful!   :rofl:

No. ?I don't understand. ?Not "at this point." ?"At this point" is something like twelve years! ?:rant:

I agree with jimmythegent on the point that I want a meaningful update, i.e., the reason for the hold-up is XXX; the band line-up is XXX; all of BH's shit was removed; the next exclusive HTGTH update will be on XXX; the current target date for release is XXX; etc.

As far as Axl's physical appearance, I'm use to the braids now so if he still has them that's fine with me -?they're kinda "rock eccentric." ?And I like his "recluse" reputation (as long as it's just a rep and not a real issue) -?it gives him a "superstar aura." ?

Out of curiosity Jarmo, have you beeen compelled to make similar threads after seeing a few people bash Steven Adler or even Slash and Duff? ?

No, not in the GN'R section.

You seem to forget one thing, this is a GN'R board where I think you'll find many Axl fans....

But I guess you're trying to prove I'm biased....



If we'd get that update, then there'd be people saying "Bullshit! Recording a few guitar parts shouldn't take this long! Axl is a fucking liar!" or "He lied about the release date again! Fucking asshole!".




/jarmo

Any version of axl thats onstage performing is good enough for me!  : ok:

Axl should play BHs parts on CD  :P

But we already have those people saying that stuff even without an update from Axl. ?:hihi:

That's why I say some people will never be happy.

There's always something to complain about. That kind of people are everywhere....


/jarmo

You do post in the VR and Ex-Member sections, right? ?If you felt similarly compelled, you could do it there.


 ???

Slash, Duff and Adler are pretty important to GNR, whether theyre currently in the band or not, and I think theyve got a few fans here too. ?Thats not mentioning the section devoted to Velvet Revolver. ?Theres plenty of negative stuff there too...

Unless the GNR section is dedicated solely to the new GNR? ?I assumed it wasnt, but you would obviously know better than I would.


I dont think I have to prove anything, really.

He'd be 6'6". ? :P ;)

I don't have any complaints. He's fine the way he is.

"Don't Go Changing" - Billy Joel ?

this is the most pitiful thread i have ever seen ever...ever. people that concern themselves with such frivolous matters are idiots.

Jarmo, I understand your point, but all I want is an occasional update from Axl-maybe even just once a year, whatever. I don't care how he looks, acts, but I've always been supportive of him, his new music is very emotional for me (especially Madagascar), I don't want him to compromise anything he belives in, but the total silence from him just baffles me. Just give a short interview to Del James once a year-I'm sure everyone will overanalyze it and pick it apart, but oh well-GNR/Velvet Revolver mean so much to me-I just don't understand the total silence-I don't want him to put the album out if he's not ready, don't want him to tour if he is not ready, but I think a post once in a while is not asking for much-I'll never understand it, but I'll still think he's the best, not matter what he does...lol...Axl is unpredictable, like everyday life-that's why I like him so much.

I think that's Jarmo's point.? ;)

I don't. Ok?

I feel that the constant Axl bashing in multiple threads is getting old. If you feel like there's as much bashing of ex-members as there's of Axl, that's your point of view.




That's the problem. You don't seem to understand that at a GN'R board you'll find a lot of Axl fans, just like you'll find a lot of Slash fans at a VR board.






I think you do.

Just because I don't start threads about the ex-members you call me biased.


Do you have anything to add to the discussion or are you just here to try to prove how "biased" I am?

One last time, since you don't seem to get it: We're running a GN'R board as good as we can. Now when there's a lot of bashing of the lead singer of the above mentioned group going on, it'll start to be a problem at some point.

Maybe in your opinion we should start with the Adler bashing instead?




/jarmo

i think axl is 100% perfect. He's the most interesting Rock N' Roll persona ever, and GN'R is the most interesting spectacle in the world, out of all living or dead, past or present.

I mean, WHY would i come to this site and spend Total time logged in: 6 days, 9 hours and 56 minutes(and thats only since the board moved) for gods sake just to read and share opinions about gn'r, why would i listen to the music everyday if it all wasn't perfect? Out of all the bands in the world Guns N' Roses.

So its more acceptable if they choose to constantly bash the ex-members of that band, just as long as theyre not currently in GNR?? Thats all Im "getting" from your explanation.? I ask you why you havent felt similarly compelled to start a thread such as this about any of the ex-members that recieve a comparable amount of bashing and you answer with "This is a GNR board."? Well, that I do get.? I also get that 1. Slash, Duff, and Matt are pretty important to most GNR discussions (because this board isnt limited to the new GNR, unless Im mistaken) and are often discussed on this board.? 2. This board includes a whole section dedicated to VR.? Your logic would imply to me that you would be just as displeased to see Slash (or Weiland, for that matter) criticized in that section, but your posts in that section suggest different - to say the least.? : ok:?

Yes, this is a GNR board.? Im asking is that means its somehow more acceptable to bash ex-members and the lead singer of VR in those sections simply because theyre not in GNR at this moment?? You seem to be a lot more comfortable with it...and thats fine by me.? But similar to how you like to observe things you find "funny" (coincidentally, many pertain to VR and/or Slash), thats funny to me.?

Yea it sucks seeing all the negativity  :no:

Axl is the lead signer of the band this forum is for.  Robin is the lead guitarist of the band this forum is for.  bashing these guys just makes people look like trolls and douche bags..   Considering none of the ex-members from the illusion or appetite era have been in the band for almost a decade, you would think people who were only attracted to GNR because of exmembers would have gotten over this by now, and either accepted the band and accepted Axl FOR WHO THEY ARE or not.   

He could come back as a woman if he wants to, and it wouldn't matter to me. I dont give a shit what he looks like. As Jimmy and a few others have stated, better communication with his hardcore fanbase would help. When/If he comes back, he should do a really long in depth interview where he goes into specific detail about the misguided decision making during the CD era. Alot of people are frustrated by not just his silence, but his major screwups when he tries to do something. Axl discussing these thing would end the "bashing". He's obviously not doing it now, but I think at some point he will.

do that and destroy all the mystery?
in some facets it's just part of the appeal


i think it's gotten to the point that it would ruin it if he went all out in detail everything that has happened. i mean, does it really fucking matter at this point? why does he have to justify that to his own fans?


some insight would be nice, but, i mean really, who fucking cares if in the end, we get an album out of it. that's what we're all here for, anyway. if only for the small hope of it.


Axl  :peace:

Some explanation is needed. Maybe not in concern to potential sales of CD, but in concern to touring, merchandise,etc. Axl's fanbase is fractured. The fractured fanbase will buy CD, but only a small portion will continue support when it comes to buying tickets and other things. Something besides a CD release needs to occur to have his entire fanbase united behind him. A CD release with no discussion of the CD mistakes will continue the GNR pop culture joke. Round 1 happened, and its 3 years and counting between round 1 and round 2. Thats a long intermission. An explanation is needed. Not just for the hardcore fans, but also for the people who became curious about him in 2002.

What I don't understand is why everything is considered "Axl bashing" when the guy is criticized.  I didn't know that Axl had no faults.  I didn't know that we are not allowed to debate any poor/questionable decisions he has made. 

I agree that the "Axl is a fucking tool and he ruined GNR" comments with no backing are uncalled for and tiresome.  But aren't there moderators on this board that can 'fix' that.  If they truly want an Axl utopia then just ban everyone.  I have been visiting this site for years for mainly information/news on the band and have only gotten involved in this board recently.  As long as the news is here I will be fine and I am sure others will too.

So I ask you, why do you continue to let the "Axl bashers" post if they are such a pain in the ass?  Why are they still allowed to be here when all they do is cause trouble and problems for the rest of the board?  I have always been taught in school that diversity is a good thing.  Being around different kinds of people makes you more open minded and tolerant of others.  Basically what I am hearing is that we want everyone to think alike and support Axl Rose. 

There is nothing wrong with that.  But I guarantee you this will become one of the blandest message boards on the web.  It will still have its loyal posters, but all you will read day in and day out will go something like this:

Poster 1: "When Axl is ready he will put this album out and it will rock!"
Poster 2: "Right on man!  Axl is the most talented frontman of our generation, he can't fail!"
Poster 3: "IRS is the greatest song ever made.  It is better than all songs on AFD!!"
Poster 1: "I agree!  You guys are so great, it makes me want to cry  :crying: LOL!"

What keeps people coming back here?  For one it is GNR news.  But for the boards I think people like reading the arguments and board controversies.  It is like a soap opera in some ways.  Anyone who denies that is full of shit.  People like controversy, disagreements, and arguments.  It is entertaining when some 30 year old is sitting behind his computer every night telling off people and getting all worked up about words over the internet. 

So if you want this to be the "I  :love: Axl" forum then go ahead and ban everyone who "bashes" (I still love how that word gets thrown around all the time) him.  Then your utopia will be complete!

personally, i don't think anyone will care after the cd is released and it's the ass kickin brain jammin' stuff it's been touted as for years. at least, people will stop fixating on it.
i mean, a part of me would really want that, an in depth explanation, to validate everything we've been through waiting for this thing. but i feel that to axl as an artist, he didn't make us wait here, this was of our own choice. he's an artist, he's doing the best he can manage (i presume) and i don't see that he has to do any such thing..
it's true the fanbase is fractured. but i think the explanation everyone's been waiting for is the CD itself, and his art will speak for itself. ?:peace:
that's what i think anyway..

and on the subject of ^^ yeah man diversity on!

Yeah, a CD release will definitely help things. But I think he should give us an explanation. End the upcoming storm of speculation before it even starts. The media is going to pose some interesting comments in regards to CD. 'Why did it take so long'?, 'We waited this long for this?', 'Is this really taking things to the next level?',' Why bothet touring again if no lessons were learned from previous tours?'. This stuff and other questions will definitely come up. An in depth interview by Axl right before CD release would kill off such speculation. He also needs to address the Buckethead situation, because his name is definitely going to come up again and again when this album comes out.

yeah
some "conversation with my fans" is all what I?m waiting for

9 days, 9 hours and 17 minutes... and working my english here!  ;D

As far as how he looks, I'd like to see him a RIR III weight/shape. I'd like him to have straight, shoulder-length hair with a few braids spread throughout. I LOVED his confederate jacket he wore at Vegas, so he should stick to that or the jersey with the long red velvet coat on like in the one pic. Maybe some black jeans/work pants or leather pants and plain white sneakers. Sometimes he could wear his VMA hat or one of those Nazi-pilot type hats...

Amen!! My dream Axl would be out doing something, no matter what that was.

Now, if you want my REAL dream Axl, he would be 10 years younger, single, and spending alot of time with me.  :P But I don't think that's what you're going for, now is it??  :hihi:

He is not nearly Asian looking enough...

Yeah if only he could be as cool as The Donger....

(http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=donger/v=2/SID=e/l=IVI/SIG=12ed77cjk/EXP=1126773643/*-http%3A//www.tradedforwheat.com/meshugenah/images/donger.jpg)

"The Donger need food!" :hihi:

I decided I'd post about Axl since he's the one getting bashed the most in the main section of the board as well as being the lead singer in the band that this board is dedicated to. Maybe you never thought about it, but when people leave a band, some fans will feel negative about them.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Maybe you feel like I should start similar threads about Chris Pittman and Paul Tobias as well? Or maybe you don't care about them being bashed? Does that make you biased?


You failed to answer my question whther or not you're gonna add anything to the topic or just "prove" how biased I am.




That's what I'm trying to do with this thread and instead Booker isn't interested in anything else than to prove how biased I am.




You should be hearing "Why do you keep whining about the same things year after year in so many threads? Don't you ever get tired of talking about it?".

Some people seem to think that if Axl did things the way they wanted, everything would be fine. I don't agree. I think people will always whine and complain about anything he does or doesn't do.


So instead of just whining, offer some constructive criticizm. Try to think of the other side as well. Not just "give us more info". Think about what would happen if there was an update and it wasn't "good enough" for you etc.



/jarmo

I would like to see axl looking masculine, happy, relaxed, not the star..

I think he is just cool as he is

 :yes:

oh, and i bet short hair looks VERY nice  : ok: ;) :-* :-* :-*

An Axl that respects his fans is all i ask:

The occasional update (even if there is nothing new to say, it would show he gives a damn)

Not cancelling tours/shows or ending halfway through

I can agree with that as I've said before.

But at the same time one can only wonder how it would turn out. I mean, look at how Tommy and Dizzy get treated for trying to give us updates.... I know Tommy and Dizzy aren't Axl and that they might not know what's going on all the time. But still, they tried, and were basically told to shut up by certain fans....

Maybe we need to think about why there aren't updates and maybe try to get past the whole "it's because he doesn't care and he's an asshole" thing?

Even if you (not you Izzy, talking about the board in general) think he's an asshole, maybe you could think about the possibility that there might be other reason(s) as well....



That'd be nice too. But since we don't know the real reason(s) for the 2002 cancellation, it's kinda unfair to just put all the blame on Axl. He's the easiest one to put the blame on though....





/jarmo

Good point,Jarmo. I think a possible reason for no Axl updates is that he doesn't want more attention given to the CD situation. When he does make a statement, it gets analyzed to death and causes more people than usual to pay attention. So maybe in his eyes, not giving updates might prevent any added pressure.

7 INCHES ADDED TO HEIGHT + REASON FOR TOUR CANCELLATION + MORE ASIAN LOOKING + SHORT HAIR =
YAO MING IS OUR "DREAM AXL"? :o
(http://www.hottubessentials.com/images/Ducks/yao_ming1.jpg)

Nooo waaaay

Axl's height is fine as it is. And the short hair is just me being curious... :hihi:

 :rofl:

Great man!  : ok:
I think Axl could be better if he seem a little more agressive like hittin people with chairs, and being arrested and stuff like that more meaner than he is.  :peace:

About people bashing Axl just wait for the CD it will come out soon, just do your homework, read some books, expect the sequels of X men and superman.  :peace:

I want axl to be whatever he wants to be, god that sounds stupid.

Anyway I don't give a shit how he looks or acts, cancelling shows, whtever, it's part of his persona. You always take a chance when you see GnR. i think it's part of the appeal, the chaos i mean. One thing though when you do see Axl perform, youknow it'll be a good show.

The only thing i would like to see changed is Axl and GnR release an Album and some videos and tour again. (I miss seeing GnR on TV and hearing them on the radio all the time like it was in 92-93) And the lack of this gets me (and alot of other people here) frustrated sometimes. Once we have an album we won't care about updates. (although a progress report would be nice, hell any official word would be nice)

I only bash a couple GnR members (present and past)

Adler cuz of his comments and attitude on his role in AFD/Lies era gnr.
Dizzy and Pittman (cuz i don't see the need for keyboards in a Rock & Roll band)

Then there is Robin, I don't really have a problem with him. It's just alot of people on this board think he's a guitar god and I feel he's only average. so I think it comes across as me bashing him when i say he's not that good of a guitarist. I'm sure when we hear stuff he has wrote then the songs will suit him perfectly.

 :peace:

axl would have to be a foot taller or more to be the same size as the Asian freak, Axl's only like 5'-9" or 5'-10" isn't he? it was a funny post though. lol  :rofl:

only care for xman sequel  ;D

I think Axl should paint his face to resemble that of a clown while he is onstage, and he should also right a concept album, about a 3 foot tall, Costa Rican prostitute who is on the run for car theft.

stronger ankles?

I mean yes, he's perfect the way he is.

havn't seen any videos with his performance lately, only in 2002 and i know that he is getting older, but it would be cool to see him perform like he did with the old gnr, at least when i see him live. just to see gnr live would be enough thou...

It would be also cool to see their new way of performing. A new dance or two.
Whatever, come as you are!


Bloody Hell! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Funny Funny!


Neemo, do you really call yours all "bashing"? ::)
I'd call them opinions. On the points open to dispute, I'd disagree with you. the, would you think me bashing you? I know you didn't. 8)
I'd call it bashing if I criticised someone in order to hurt the target or their side.
I'd call it agitation if the criticism were hell continual negative calls of the above nature aiming to jumble us. >:(

Who cares about what they say or how they look.

I want Axl to lose the braids and recover his eyebrows. I want him to have bangs like in the 90's and lose the fat clothes. No more oversized shirts and baggy pants. Be sexy like you used to be.  :-*

Not that I care but I don't like fringe on a grownup man.

:hihi:
Poor Booker does.
It would be useless to talk about what you want them to have been like 1~2 dacade ago in the section they don't belong to now.

But, Booker, if you insist, I'll start "your dream Steven" and "your ideal Slash / Duff" threads in the ex gunners and the VR section for ya! I'm not sure if I get any reply  tho. Or better why not do it yourself?

My dream Axl looks like Johny Depp, sounds like Elvis, moves like Ricky Martin, writes songs for the backstreet boys and wants to trade the Las Vegas 2001 show with me.

If you sign a petition, just ask him to send me the Las Vegas dvd and I'll be satisfied.  :P

 ???

What are you talking about?


The people that bash them I assume.  I dont think its necessary for me to prove that they get bashed on here...one would have to be either oblivious or deeply in denial to suggest otherwise. 

Im just observing that while Jarmo feels compelled to either jump to Axls defense or criticize those who criticize him, hes apparently quite comfortable with ex-members being "bashed," and frequently joins in on criticizing Slash, Duff, etc.  And while some posters keep bringing up that this is a GNR board, as if that justifies the bashing of important past members, a lot of Slash, Duff, Duff, Steven and even Weiland bashing takes place in the sections designated for those individuals.  So the implication seems to be that its not cool to bash Axl on a GNR board, but its at least acceptable to bash ex-members - even in the VR and ex-member sections.  And Jarmo keeps reminding me that Axl is the leader of current GNR, but Id ask about those who are here because of the old band?  Ive noted that this isnt an exclusively "new GNR" board and you havent corrected me yet, so I assume that Im right in that assessment.  Yes, there are those here for the new band, but it seems many are here to discuss the old band as well. 

As for this topic, and any other topic like it, I dont particularly care very much about Axls attire.  Ive said it before.  I might have my own personal opinions on certain things pertaining to the new GNRs image, but it has been, and continues to be, pretty low on the priority list. 

I disagree, I dont think Axl lets anyone pressure him into anything, especially not when it comes to his music. In all honesty, I truly just think he has, and will continue to stay silent because he is finishing/toying with this project at strictly his own pace and if things take longer than expected, he would be ostricized by his fans. Once the album is 100% done, then you James lofton will have the statement you've been fantacizing about from Uncle Axl.

As far as Axl's image goes, I dont really care that much..I just want new music. If he could ditch the "gangsta" attire, and maybe go back to '88 Fox late show appearance, and voice I would be in heaven but I dont think thats going to happen.. :-[

Hey Xozi, there's something wrong with your butt.....

It has a crack in it.

My dream Axl will give a weekly update, with extensive pictures of his ass :drool:. Fu**k CD i need at least a legs update it's the minimal a star should do, i mean i'm oblieged to look n dream on a ten year picture, i bouht his merchandizing i ripped cd's n get them on line and that's how he tanks my died recently hard fan suport!!!!!!!! :rant: no see through shorts, no slick leather pants, well .....actually no Axl, i'm going to write a letter to Amnisty International, cause i'm sure that has to be against Genever Convention, join me and UN will make Axl be just the way we want.

Feb

Oh, right....

Seems like you still don't get it.

There are some people here who constantly try to turn every thread into something negative. I decided to let those people speak about what exactly they want out of Axl.

You asked in a thread in the VR section what made Slash a liar. I wonder why you didn't start one about Axl as well? Since you're so annoyed about me not starting this same discussion in the oher section.






Weiland bashing?

Well my friend, get used to that. This is a GN'R board for GN'R fans. Some of us might not excatly be Weiland's biggest fans who go out and buy his solo album on the day of its release. But I do find criticizm of his style pointless....


You think this is something exclusive for this board? You go post negative things about Slash, Weiland or Duff at some VR forum and see what happens. Then post something negative about Axl and see how they react. I think there might be a difference....


Since you still didn't get it, the biggest problems is what goes on in the main section of the board. The main section is the one that gets the most posts and the one the board was created around so to speak.

By the way, the VR or Ex-Gunners sections are not the main sections of the board.



/jarmo

kilt piccie kilt piccie !!!

i love ass pictures, always wanted to sqeeze his, it's just rounded where it should... :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

My dream Axl is one that comes back and winds everyone up but produces some quality material at the same time.

I want the rock star back

Simple...because Axl doesnt have the same bogus stigma. ?People criticize Axl for a lot of things, but very, very rarely for compulsive lying. ?As for the few who consider "See you next summer" or a wrong release date a lie, theyre just as wrong as the ones who label Slash...but those posts are rare and the "liar" stigma isnt present. ?




Right...with a VR section inside of it. ?Since you find it odd that some of the people who post on the main board are here because of the music GNR has actually released (which, obviously, was done by the old band), I would imagine you find it similarly odd that people who dislike VR would post in that section. ?


So the main board is dedicated to Axl? ?I understand hes the singer, but the main board is for GNR, new and old, right? ?So is it not possible that some people might be a little bit more interested in the version of the band that was actually kind of active back in the day? ?So for people like that, isnt it possible that Axl isnt necessarily their favorite part of that GNR - just like Slash or Duff arent favorites to the new GNR fans (many of whom post in the VR and Ex sections when theyre obviously not fans in the least). ?


Well, then were recognizing that their is a difference in principle. ?Okay.

haha, he would have to act like Johnny's, Willy Wonka, persona though ?:rofl: and i can't picture WttJ sung like "don't be cruel" or "heartbreak hotel" ?:hihi:


I've bashed steven a couple times (when he had that interview about wanting to punch Axl in the face). (but he's an idiot ;D ) and i have said that Dizzy and Pittman are useless (i guess that is just an opinion) ?;)

and whenever i post about robin people seem to get aggitated I don't mean my opinion of him to be negative but it comes out that way.

I would like to see Axl be himself, drop CD, knock our socks off, tour alittle not much though, drop another cd and tour again, then come back with Izzy, Slash, Duff, for the goodbye tour and cd waxing.. I would then be blown away and die satisfied... :(

Thats why this is such a kick ass board  :beer:

Most of us here are here because we want to see GNR succeed in the future.  Why dwell on the past?  It was great, but lets move forward.  And I see people on this board posting in this very section who seem to WANT to see Axl fail with this new guns n roses.  fuck that shit, those people can fuck right off to the vr forums.

Axl is perfect as is.  :love:

And - he wouldn't be 6'6" if he grew 7 inches.  :no:

I'm sure you could find something you think Axl was unfairly attack for? I mean, if you really wanted to and start a thread about it....




Stop putting words I didn't say in my mouth please.

I don't find it odd that people are here because of the old band. Where the fuck did you get that idea?


I find it boring how some people seem to be here to constantly whine about Axl year after year. I find it odd that people don't have anything better to do than to whine and bash. And these people are supposed to be fans.

I've said it before, criticizm is one thing, constant whining is something else.



How should I put this that would make you understand?

If you go to a football game, you don't go into the section with the most rabid home supporters and wear the away team's colors do you?

You are in a section where a lot of people support Axl and yet you think it's ok to keep bashing the guy because after all you are a fan of the old band? What's the point?




Maybe in your head.

I don't understand your logic at all. Just because the biggest section is dedicated to the band that Axl sings in, I should put more effort into keeping the Steven bashing away from the ex-Gunners section so that you'd be happy?

Go look at the amount of posts each section has. Then tell me, where do you think the moderators should focus the most? The GN'R section or maybe something else?

I can't believe I have to explain to you why we focus on trying to keep the biggest section of the board running smoothly without fights and stupid pointless whiny posts.? ::)



/jarmo

obiviously not. of course people have interest in te old band and talk about it but Axl basically dominates most of that discussion.

And those who consistently bash and whine about Slash and the others?


This analogy, like others youve made in the past, is questionable.

That football team has more than one player, right??

Also, would apply the same analogy to those who choose to post in the VR section to - thats right - bash and whine?


Hmm...would this also work as:


?



Youre changing the subject a bit...Im not talking about your moderation efforts in any section.? Im talking about this thread.? You feel compelled enough to address critics of Axl to make this thread, but it doesnt seem to similarly bother you when people bash or criticize ex-members in any section, including this one.? Slash and Duff get bashed on the GNR forum as well as the VR one - the one thats supposed to be full of "rabid fans."


Ill say it again, its not about moderation, and its not about the size of the section.? Its whether or not the principle is the same, and you claim its in my head but from your posts, I cant see how it is the same.? You just dont seem to be as irritated by constant ex-member bashing as you do Axl.


Youre the one making a point of that...I dont recall addressing the moderation of the board.? Im talking about this thread, and the irritation youre expressing in it.? I simply asked if youve felt compelled to make something similar after seeing Slash or Steven get bashed.  things are apparently a bit different when it comes to Axl...thats fine.  Its your board and your decision.

Booker ruins another axl thread. cheers? :beer:
You had your chance to say how you would like Axl to change and you turned it into a axl vs old gnr thread.

The point of this thread was to keep all the Axl is an asshole because he is alwyas late, his hip hop look has to go, the braids have to go etc etc would all be kept in one thread. Was that really too hard to understand?

If this was a Slash fan board, you might have a better point but this isn't.



Of course it's questionable to you. Everything is.

You're on the home team's section thinking bashing their captain is ok. You're whining about why we don't ask the supporters not to insult the guy who left the team for another team nine years ago? ?:hihi:


You're whining about me posting this topic here and not posting similar ones in the other sections aren't you?

I've told you a few times already, I gotta start with the biggest problem in the biggest section. Why is it that hard to understand?

If this was a VR board with a GN'R section, then I would've started with the VR bashing first and then moved onto the others.

What's the problem Booker?

What do you want me to say? "I hate Slash and that's why I posted this topic"? ?:hihi:



Nice edit.

I'm tired of explaining to you how this works since you obviously don't get it and keep crying about how I don't "defend" Slash and the others enough.




Oh, wow! This thread was created to make our "job" easier. There's a few people who feel like bashing Axl in a lot of threads that have nothing to do with him. Why not let them tell the whole board how they want Axl to be instead?

Again, because it seems to me and other moderators that the Axl bashing is what takes up the most space.... Or maybe it's because we all love Axl and hate the ex-members? You seem to know us the best, so maybe you should tell us.






Oh My God. Keep repeating it.

I can do the same:

Big problem - higher priority > small problem - less priority

But if you really have a huge problem with the Slash bashing, please use the report to moderator button more often. I notice how it must be a huge problem for you.




I don't feel compelled to address the Slash issue at this moment since I feel the Axl bashing is a bigger problem.

Now, go and twist that into something else.


I haven't seen you compelled to try to do anything about the Axl bashing. Why not?


I should've expected this from you. You don't have that much to add to the discussion other than "why don't you do this to Slash? ?:crying: "


Hey Booker, how about you read the first post of the thread, think about the subject and if you have something to add, post it! Get past the whole "You hate Slash, admit it" thing.  : ok:




/jarmo

jarmo, I feel ignored, what'd you think of my dream Axl ?

my 'dream Axl' would show up on time...I know I'm in the minority on this, but that's about the only thing I would change...imo, that shit works when your band is hot, hot, hot, and GNR (again, imo) were not hot, hot, hot going into round 2 (2002 tour) it worked back then (with the originals) but I was really hoping for an "upgrade" in 2002...that's all.

I don't care if he shows up on time or not, I just want him to show up PERIOD!  :)

Well we can just stop right here.? The implication is obvious: Axl = GNR.

The issue is settled, as far as Im concerned.

Dude you just don't get it do you? Slash USED to be in GnR, and those were great  days, but now Slash is in VR, nowadays gnr is Axl, Robin, Richard, Tommy, Brain, Dizzy and Pittman.

in this section we talk about these people. Jarmo feels that there is a problem with board members bashing GnR's frontman, in this section, (the biggest section) and the one dedicated to the current band. Slash is discussed in the VR and X-members sections, which are smaller.  The biggest section of the board gets its issues addressed first. If Jarmo thinks there is a problem in the other parts of the board he will address it after this problem is resolved. IMO the mods do a fantastic job of enforcing the rules on this board.

If you have a concern Booker why don't you post in the "Administration and Feed back section"? I for one am bored with :crying: . Besides Slash, Duff and Steven have slung enough shit around recently, I'm sure they can take a bit themselves. (S&D are musical hero's of mine btw, but some of the stuff that gets quoted from them and their recent lawsuits make me lose some of that respect)

As I have said countless times.....Axl is the member out of the old group that peopel give the most attention too. Good or bad. Hes the most appealing, good or bad out of th ebunch. Axl is th eguy who creates the most controversy...good or bad....hence people talk about Axl more. This reminds me of the quote about all the Axl signs and no Slash signs.

Maybe some people here don't care about VR or NewGN'R and are here for only the old/real Guns N' Roses? so they shouldn't use this forum?
I think Izzy, Slash, Duff and Steven deserve as much attention on this section of the forum as Axl.
"Everything GN'R related, including discussions about present members."

there are discussions about old members but new info about hem goes into ex-members and VR sections

most stuff gets thrown into Dead Horse, cuz if it's from GnR's past it's prolly aready been talked about numerous times

I think your wrong when you say they deserve as much attention. I think they deserve the respect just as much as Axl. But attention is something totally different. You cant force peopel to talk/care about the other members. As you cant force people to talk/care about Axl. Its evident that although everyone here for the most part loves the old members and respect/appreciate and are grateful for the music they made, the majority of the people here rather talk about Axl.

Good for you!

That's so ignorant it's not even funny anymore. Anybody can see that your quote isn't my opinion.




/jarmo

um no they don't.   They haven't been in the band for a long time.   Isn't there a section for people who want to live in the past? 

What about Axl with moustache, and mexican hat and a t-shirt of betty  ;D
Oh crap I want Freddie Mercury  :crying: