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Anyone watching Lost this season?? Any thoughts?

What the heck is going on?


Any secrets to the video?

The video they watched on last episode, had 3 outta 6 on the left corner, so I guess they will find a video which tell's them more about the button  : ok:
Awsome show.

It said that there were stations and this one was the swan station for electomagnetics.  In the video it points out what the other 5 were briefly.  Including zoology, which may explain the polar bears.

The latest episode kicked ass! Season 2 is tons better than the first one :D

Here's an interesting pic, seems that the people who took Walt might have also been on that video:
http://humpys.net/images/thedegroots.jpg

What fucking video?

Don't answer that. Put a fucking warning on the thread, some people may not be as far into as you.

I deeply apologize.  I didn't realize that others may not get the new season when we do.  Again, I am sorry.

I love this show.? I'm not too sure about where the new season is going though.? I think Walt will end up being a major key in the weird stuff on the island, since he seems to have some special power or something.

I heard on Howard Stern that he had information that the whole thing is going to end up being some Nazi experiment.? I hope not, that seems a little lame to me.

Do you think that the people on the island who caught Sawyer are actually the "others" or are there more "others"?

On a side note, the last time I went to Disneyland, I shared a Pirates of the Caribbean boat with Hurley!? We made a big splash that day!

i dont wanna see the show cause it sucks and i hate a lot of things.
but is lost sci fi a little  ? or is it completly realistic ?

what"s that button ?

I guess you could classify it as sci fi.  Its kind of like x-files, but better, in my opinion.

there are websites that seems to have a lot of info about the series but i dont want to spoil me everything.

i think the show its pretty cool but i dont know how much more time they can keep the mistery . 2 or 3 seasons?

This is a class show, being a UK resident we're only just over halfway through the first season.  Well that was pissing me off so thanks to broadband i'm up-to-date with you yanks.  Last episode it said next time somebody will be lost forever, mmm, i'm guessing that means dead or hoping at least we need another death i just hope it's one of the shoddy characters who goes.  As long as Sawyer, Charlie & Hurly are safe i'll be happy, why not kill Jack i get sick of these do gooder hero types.  They should make Desmond a regular character to....

Stoned,

If you wanna know what's gonna happen next, go to:

www.spoilerfix.com

You'll find a bunch of Lost spoilers!

Nah it'll spoil it for me.....

I normally read them but for something like this i don't want to i prefer being surprised, i'll resist, for now...

Thanks anyway.  : ok:

Anyone else hate that Ana Lucia (I think that's her name) chick.  She is ruining the show for me.

She seems like a total bitch, i'm not keen at all i may come to like her with time, she's not ruining the show for me, she doesn't bother me THAT much, not the greatest of additions though.

I'm downloading the new season soon since i have to wait a LOT to watch it here. The last episode kept me wanting for more.

Yup.  And not in a "love to hate" kinda way (like Sutherland on "Commander in Cheif"...evil bastard).  Just really dislike her.

Not to sound sexist, but I hate it when women act tough like the way she does.  For example, Kate is obviously a tough women, but does it in a totally different way.

She irritates me too.  At least Kate comes off as sensitive and likeable.  That other one is just annoying.

I haven't liked this season too much so far.  I hope it picks up, I'm a little disappointed with where it seems to be going.

Did anyone watch last night?  I knew a cast member was supposed to die this season, but I wasn't expecting her!  I wish it would have been that annoying one.

Ahhh nuts i'm a moron, i should not of read this, still haven't downloaded the episode, least you did not say the name so all i know is she's female and not the annoying one we wanted to die...mmmm.... *hunts rapidly for episode on t'internet*

Sorry!  I thought about saying "Don't read this!"  but then I thought I just wouldn't put the name in.  Well now you are just more anxious to see it, so that's ok, right?

Yeah i wanna see it even more it's cool, like i said it's my fault, i mean the thread's title has the word spoiler in so it's to be expected i'm actually extra grateful you never mentioned the name...

Well, she was definitely annoying in my opinion...

Finally seen it.  Cool death, good twist the way it was done.  No great loss to the cast, she was equally as annoying as the one we all wanted dead (quite ironic how the one we wanted dead was involved....)

That guy is the aussie version of Jerry Cantrell.

I recently watch the death, totally surprised me. Damn she was hot, why she had to die?? :crying:

That's a good theory. Those nutty scientists may be the others.

Despite being hot her character kind of sucked, she was one of the weaker ones no great loss.  That new woman is growing on me after seeing the episode The Other 48 Days that was a cracking episode finally seeing what happened to those on the other side of the island it helped develope their characters, that black dude (....can't remember his name) is a fairly good character to.  So we lost 2 but we gained to and the replacements, i now prefer, all they need to do now is make Desmond a regular!

I just watched that episode too, this is getting really good indeed; i thought the plot was becoming weaker but it's definitely getting better. Those voices in the woods are just plain sick.

I just watched last week's show.  It was good, the end made me cry a little bit.  But now I hate Anna Lucia even more.  She's a disgusting person and if they were trying to make us feel sorry for her, it didn't work.  At least not for me. 

Worked for me (it might be her ass?) Ooh, what a wait for the next episode  :'(

I download it off the net, and i've seen the first 9 episodes on Season 2, any word on when episode 10 is airing in the states?

I don't know.  Last night was cancelled for some Pope John Paul movie.  Hopefully it will be back on next week.  I was so bored I had to watch Peggy Sue got Married for the 108th time last night.

Just been over to imdb.com someone on the message board said the next new episode isn't until Jan 11th 2006.....


....fuck  >:(

That's what I ment with waiting, brother. I also download them from the net... as I live in finland and we're in season 1 here? :-\ , brother.

Yeah so are we and i'm an impatient fool so i thought fuck waiting for season 1 to finish i'll just download that and season 2 ;D the joys of broadband....

Season 2 starts on March here in South America? ??? in the meantime in less than a month i got the first season DVD then watched the first 7 episodes from season 2 in a row. This show is addictive.
There's an episode schedule in this site http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/lost/ but it seems it has to be rescheduled because of the Pope movie. You can find full transcriptions of the 1st season as well.

www.TV.com is the best site for info about tv-shows.

Did you all watch Lost last night?  I think Mr. Echo might be my favorite character.   I don't want to ruin it for anyone that hasn't seen it yet, but that black cloud thing was very cool.

I haven't got mine yet, probably won't see it for a couple of days.

I finally relented and watched the first 9 of season 2 back when it stopped for ages...

I was going to wait for the box set, I'm not too keen on downloading all too much...I bought the Season 1 box set from the states just after the show started over here.

Out of interest, where are all you outside the States getting your episodes of Lost from? My brother is downloading them at the moment, and then we watch them on that computer, but I'm not actually sure how long it will be till he gets the next one, and I was just curious as to what the rest of you use?

I use the file sharing program Direct Connect, and the hub (room thingy...) i'm using at the mo is one which specialises in tv series, i also get Desperate Housewives there :-[

Still haven't got the episode yet, guessing by what you've said Sterling, Mr. Echo is the focus of it, should be cool, i thought the character has potential...

You are not ruining it for anyone.  The thread title clearly states "(SPOILER)."  I wonder what the hell that was?

I use DC++ as well for my weekly dose of Lost :)

A hub, eh...

Never used one of those things.

Not a clue.

I don't know.  But is it the same thing that almost got Locke?


And is Michael getting irritating to you?  I know he wants his kid back, but why not tell anyone about the computer?

I must disagree with the "black cloud thing". I thought it was quite tastless, it just made the show too sci-fi  :-\ just too much atm.

I guess it's 'cause in the video the guy says to not use the computers for anything else, than to input the correct numbers. he probably thinks others wouldn't agree with him using the computer to chat.

You what?

Sci-fi?

Well, each to his own.

But, you know, for those who have been following since the beggining, it really shouldn't have been that much of a suprise...

I've been watching it from the beginning and I just thought that sucked. I just don't want them to find Mr. Spock buried under the sand.

What I meant was...

If you watched closely, it was already possible to hazard a guess that the monster was some big black ol' dust...or smoke. Whatever you want.

It was just finally shown for the first time in the 23rd Psalm.

Didn't we see it ages ago when it pulled Locke down the hole though?

Anywayz i think this series is getting better and better, i much prefer this season, has anyone thought they might of written Walt out because the actor is going to grow up to fast, relative to the time they've supposedly been on the island.....

Yes we've seen the black cloud before, but never for as long.

I hadn't thought about that with Walt, although it makes sense.  Then again, Hurley should have slimmed down by now, shouldn't he?

Oh, that's what I meant in that it shouldn't have been a suprise.

But we never 'saw' it before.

It was more of a...Blink and you miss it. Well, shut your eyes for five seconds and you miss it.

But last episode it was there for the...world to see.

Originally, they were going to recast Walt's character for that, and other, reasons (contract negotiations, I think). ?There was a pretty public open casting call for his role.

However, they changed their minds. The original actor will continue to play the role. ?The producers/writers have said they will handle the "Walt Aging" thing within the story lines, as well, so they have some ideas to cover that "issue".

Some good sites for "lost" info are:

www.spoilerfix.com

www.thefuselage.com

http://thedharmainitiative.org/

www.oceanic-air.com

The "Watch with Kristin" section of www.eonline.com

Like 'The Others' put him on a stretching rack to make him 2wice as tall, and they got him smoking which we all know ages our skin, Genius! :P

Well, in a world of Smart Dust, ghosts and prophetic dreams...

I'm sure they can find a way around it.

Fucking right they do brother! It's so cool for me especially, that out of anyone in the world they could have had down there, it was a Scottish runner  :hihi:

Nice to see the 3 years alone and the time spent in the States didn't change his accent.

I need to download Episode 11 sometime very soon. Eko's flashback was very good. Something odd about the whole show is how much things are just so crazy. Eko finds his brother, Jack and Desmond have met, Boone and Sawyer were in the same Aussie police station. It's all a bit hmm  :-\

:hihi: And that's the relatively normal stuff, Black Smoke attacking people, Polar Bears, So much Heroin and even though they're trapped and depressed and doomed to die nobody's tried it....what a crazy bunch :P

(http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/9392/charliesfind2ad.jpg)

 ;D

No Hunting Party discussion yet, eh?

I thought it was a pretty good episode.

And, also...It added to the theory that maybe Sawyer is Locke's dad...

Ahem. I never thought it was possible before, but now...Maybe.

And it was fucking cool that ol' beardy made another appearance.

I obviously haven't seen episode 12 yet...

Maybe tommorow.

I liked that part, never heard that theory before, new to me.....

....what i hated was the flashback stuff though....

since....

well....

I hate Jack......Goddamn Do-Gooder Bastard, and that tough guy stuff at the end, training them up, just doesn't suit him, he's too soft and 'nice' it just ain't his style.....

Naahhh mate.

I fucking love Jack's character.

See, I know a lot of people that love him (for being the 'hero'), as well as a ton of people that hate him (err...for being the 'hero' character!). But see, I think he's brilliant.

I just think that he's such a great character, the makers have done a superb job with who has turned out to be their hero-type character. There is so much depth to him, and the direction that they have taken him is fantastic. He is the guy that 'saves the day', but rather than just have him as an archetypal virtuous character, there is so much depth to him.

He saves the day because he feels that he has to.

Failing is his ultimate fear, and because of his talent he feels this huge pressure on him all the time...

I'd like to think that they are going to take this further in that he is starting to get out of his depth with the...army.

Now I know that a lot of people think that people like Sawyer are the coolest characters. But in order for a story like this to work you need that hero character. And Jack is pretty much as good as that kind of character is going to get. You can't have anti-hero's all the time...

Also, his being a bastard to Kate was great. What, because he's the, err, main character he isn't supposed to feel hurt? He isn't supposed to be an arsehole sometimes?

'Don't tell me what I can't do!,' superb characterisation. Jack and Locke without doubt have the most depth to their character in the show; not pseudo-depth, like Kate-ooh I killed my abusive dad and am on the run...But real depth meaning there is so much to be explored...

Oh, and Matthew Fox is a great actor, who can actually cry convincingly!

I'm a Jack man through and through.  8)

Sorry...

I do usually prefer the Snake Plisken type character, believe me, but with Jack...

Well, as I said. The writers have done a fantastic job.

Though, I'm hoping that you hate him in the confines of the show, and not as a character. Meaning that you wouldn't want him to be killed off.

You especially should know that the people that you don't like make a show as good as the people that you do, if they are good characters and not just annoying; ie. John Cena (pile of shit, absoloutly hate him, get him of TV!) versus Triple H (Best heel ever, hate him but...Good god keep the guy!).   ;)

Yeah but i've always been a fan of heels and always support them and cheer them despite not being meant to just like i want bad guys to coming out victorious in films but, well, they hardly ever do, in A View To A Kill i was backing Max Zorrin (Christopher Walken) all the way to rid the world of Roger Moore, er i mean James Bond but back on topic....

:hihi: I was telling Evolution last night how i wanted Jack & Sun killing off.....

....you put up a good defence....

...but for me he just seems to be this hard done to guy who despite all his problems ultimately does the 'Right Thing' fine he tries to be a bit badass here and there but overall i find the guy weak and he's trying to be the hero doing everything, he likes to pretend he doesn't want to but he does, he loves it, being the centre of everything, and now he is gonna lead the troops into battle, ah nuts, kill him already :P

Maybe i just resent good people ;)

....Incidently, here's some trivia from imdb.com

When the idea was to have Jack killed off in the pilot, the creators discussed casting Michael Keaton as Jack.

You, sir, are a fool!

Though...

I must say, I do agree with your Sun policy. She does need killing off, even if only because her voice annoys me!  ;D

Aye, I read that too.

There are some cool little things about how much the characters changed as the show evolved.

For example, I'm pretty sure that Jin was only written during the auditions, after they found out that the actor playing Sun could speak Korean fluently. And, as your probably know, Hurley's character was written for Jorge Garcia! (That's the actors name, isn't it...) Although, personally I still think that his best performance was in Curb Your Enthusiasm.  ;D

I was a little pissed after the episode 2 weeks ago, when they ran into the others, and dont bother trying to ask any questions. If I was in that scenario I would try to get some info about where the hell they are and some of the weird shit thats been happening. Poor writing in my opinion. That was a big confrontation and it was a total let down, I felt.

Last nights was an improvement though. Echo is becoming my new favorite character, although Hurley still gets some of the best scenes, when they put him in the show that is.

I don't remember anything about that.  What gave you that idea?

I saw the episode a week ago, maybe I'm just not remembering.

while they were looking for Michael, Locke made some references to knowing that Sawyer was not his real name and asked him what made him choose that name.

Thats all I think Jim could be refering to.

Aye.

The way that Locke said it (and started calling him James afterwards) showed that he probably knew somebody called Sawyer; why was he so curious?

Remember Locke's dad? 'You're not the first person I've conned'...Well, something to that effect.

I was told the theory a while ago, and didn't pay much attention to it.

But hearing Locke say that made me curious...

I do remember that conversation, but I didn't think anything of it.  Good catch!

The only thing I didn't like about the episode was that they didn't try to get any more information from the others.  Like why didn't any of them ask what the monster is in the jungle?  I know they weren't exactly enjoying talking to them, but I would have thought they'd like to get some info if they could. 

Thats a good catch : ok:

I need to take a nap before I watch this show, I'm sure I'm missing too many hints.

Locke definitely seems to be the person that all the events are revolving about at the moment, and Terry O'Quinn has done a great job with the role. I was a little pissed last night after he kicked Charlies' ass, though.

Really?  I like Charlie, but don't you think he kind of deserved it?

Yeah, I don't know why, but that bit really jumped out at me. Made me think that, if anything, the theory is definatly plausible.

I haven't seen episode 12 yet, but Charlie gets his ass kicked? Man, I love Charlie!

Now, I'm leaving the thread and probably won't return until I've seen episode 12...

Just to be on the safe side.  ;)

Yeah, I wont spoil it despite the warning on the thread title, but Charlie is the main focus of the story last night both in flashbacks and present time.

Okay, so I did come back...

The episode sounds quality though.

So, now, I really won't come back here until I've seen it, and you can feel free to spoil galoore.  8)

He sure did. That guy's one of the most annoying losers in the whole series, I can't understand why some of you sympathize with him. Is it the accent?

Well he didnt take the baby knowingly. He was sleep walking, at least thats how it was presented. It also hasn't been established that he is using either. It certainly seems like he intends too, or he would have destroyed all of the statues, but so far he hasnt.
I understand Locke being dissappointed in him, and not trusting him, but I did think that quick ass kicking he dished out was a bit much.

Honestly, for me, its more because he was a hobbit.  How could anyone not love Merry?

He was sleepwalking the first time, but the second time around he first started a fire (!) and then stole the baby, all the while in total control of body and spirit.

iv never even watched that shwo is it any good

Because I work evenings at work and so therefore don't get to watch TV.. I bought the boxset of series 1 and it was fucking brilliant! I watched the whole 7 DVDs in 2 days!

Anyway I skimmed through the first couple of pages of the thread but don't want to read the rest as the 2nd season starts here in Australia on Thursday.

I just wanted to know how far ahead you guys are in the US?

And does anyone know if episodes from series 2 are available anywhere to download? I need more Lost and I need it now!!!

I actually had mixed feelings on Locke punching Charlie. On one hand, I completely understand why he did it, but at the same time something seemed off with Locke in the entire episode. It was the first time this season when I really started thinking Locke was evil. I just got this vibe like he was trying to remove Charlie from the Claire picture so he can insert himself there. I also felt that he kept the statues for a sinister purpose. My theory is that Charlie's dreams of Aaron being in danger were real. Locke is that danger. I think Locke has figured? that children are special on that island (and to the Others) and he will want to make another sacrifice to the Island. Of course, I am probably completely wrong because I usually am about these things.? :hihi:





We are halfway through season 2. Episode 12 just aired here.

Filesharing programs like Direct Connect, if you get the program i can link you to places to download 'em although to enter sections in places you will need to be sharing a decent amount of files.....

....actually if you want i think i still have a copy i can send you one : ok:

Good work Jim, you are adding some interesting discussion to this thread.

I like this website:

http://lost.cubit.net/investigations.php?PHPSESSID=24e6bd60dcd8072a3beb5d49a27643c3

It is a normal person that points out a lot of hidden clues with pictures from the show.  They aren't spoilers, but just hidden clues in the show.

I agree with Jim, I love Jack's character.  This show has such a cool plot, keeps me guessing, and has excellent character development.

I just love the fact that there are so many theories out there and that every few episodes there is something that pops up that supports each one of the theories.  The closer I think I am one episode to figuring out what is going on, the further I feel the next episode when something else supports another theory.

Do you think the people writing this actually know where they're going with it?

Maybe not.  Maybe they just read website and insert parts of all of the theories to screw with our heads.

Seriously, I think they have the outline of the story of where they want to go.  I think they tinker from episode to episode as to how to tell that story.

You are 100% correct, I had a complete mental block on that for some reason :confused:

It appears one cast members' attitude is getting them written off of the show. I'll just post the link so as not to "spoil" anything despite the warning in the thread title:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=84963

Good riddance, i don't like that character.....

Me either; but I couldnt tell if that was because the actor was doing their job or if it was the writing.

I liked the picture on the link though. Best I've seen.

The character was meant to be that way out, i'd say i would not say it's bad acting, but hell if i don't like a character i still want rid, i just did not feel the character had much to them either, the backstory for this character was fairly boring to, just push 'em down a pot hole or something :hihi:

When's episode 13 on?

Feb 8th  "The Long Con"

Cheers dude, so have they finished filming this season or is this person gonna get knocked off this season?

I'm not positive on this but just from doing some deductive reasoning:

The next episode will be Episode 13 of Season 4
Last season had 24 episodes
Episodes are normally filmed 3-4 weeks before they air, so I would guess they can work away to write this person off this season. Most likely this character will get killed off for messing with "The Others"

I agree here. It's a good posibility!

I think Charlie needed that arse kicking to get into focus a bit more.

I wish i hadn't clicked on that spoiler to be honest  :hihi:

This article list a bunch of potential clues from this years episodes.? Its chronological, starting with the most recent first.? I don't think I even noticed 1/3 of these!



On the tail of a clue
Tue Feb 7, 4:13 PM

Among potential hints (or red herrings) spotted so far on Lost:

Feb, 1

The Jan. 25 episode of Lost (the last original one to air) focused on a baby's baptism. But most readers responding to our ongoing request for clues to the island mystery focused on the budding romance between Hurley and "tailie" Libby ? and to Hurley's comments that he felt he knew her from somewhere. (Related item: Send us your clues after the show Wednesday)

More than one viewer noted that since Libby was in the tail section while Hurley was seated up front, there would have been no way for him to have stepped on her foot as he boarded the plane, which was her explanation.

What's her game? Could Libby, a psychologist, have worked at the mental hospital where Hurley had been treated? Is she part of the Dharma Initiative "experiment," studying reactions from the inside? And, as Libby observed, the washer-dryer in the hatch is much newer than the rest of the furnishings, which sharp-eyed viewers also had noticed. So is there a way that items (and people) continue to move to and from the island?

Jan. 25

So let's recap: Two weeks ago, Lost viewers saw the mysterious, monstrous cloud close-up. And last week, we chatted with one of The Others as Jack, Locke and Sawyer chased after the unhinged Michael. Will revelations never cease?

In that chat, perhaps, was another hidden revelation: As "Zeke" was challenged by Jack, he yelled, "Bring 'er out, Alex," and showed Jack that they were holding Kate hostage.

Who is Alex? Could it be the Frenchwoman's daughter, who was kidnapped 16 years ago? Is she one of The Others? In fact, viewers ask, is there more than one group of Others?

Jan. 9

The big reveal of the island's "monster" as an amorphous black cloud spurred lots of chatter. Those who examined the smoke more carefully, in stop-motion on their DVRs, noticed images in the mist (and indeed, some indistinct but human shapes seem to flash by): Eko's priest brother, the old man Eko shot, perhaps the woman who was selling the statues of the Virgin Mary in his village? Is it some scientific force reading his memories, or is there a more sacred significance?

Several viewers came away from the heavily religious-themed episode believing more strongly that the island represents purgatory, and its inhabitants ? nearly all turning out to have killed or in some way caused the deaths of others ? await judgment. In the meantime, judge for yourself: The episode repeats tonight at 8 ET/PT, before a new episode.

Dec. 7

Last week's "aha!" moment on ABC's Lost was spotted by more than a few viewers, though it appeared for no more than a moment on the edge of the screen, and even then may have depended on the clarity of the TV set and the acuity of the viewer's vision.

As Kate visits her adoptive father in an Army recruiting station, Sayid appears on a TV screen; some say he looks like a military prisoner. This type of sighting is reminiscent of the Season 1 episode in which Hurley appeared on Korean TV during Jin's flashback.

Coincidences? We think not.

Then there's the restored film clip; what was the earlier "incident" mentioned in it? And why did Mr. Eko go on about Josiah, the biblical king who restored the Temple? Another literary reference?

Nov. 30

The preview for this week's episode shows the crosses for three graves. Is someone else about to die?

Does fugitive Kate have a link with cop Ana Lucia?

Is Libby, the psychologist, really Karen DeGroot, one of the originators of the Dharma Initiative mentioned in the training film? Or could she be one of "The Others" ? maybe even Alex, Rousseau's daughter?

Nov. 23

Two episodes ago, Ana Lucia, fearful of The Others, mistakenly killed Shannon, squashing the budding romance between her and Sayid. And what to make of her Rambo-esque survival skills? "Ana Lucia's ability to defend herself and take charge when necessary may indicate some sort of military or covert operational background," says Lost fan Susie Kruise of Altoona, Pa. But can Ana Lucia's skills match those of Sayid, a former member of Iraq's notorious Republican Guard?

As for the kidnapped survivors who have Ana Lucia on edge, Jin and Mr. Eko's teddy bear sightings may be a sign that some are still alive. But where are they?

Nov. 16

Last week, a wet Walt appeared again on Lost. Before Shannon was shot, he spoke unintelligibly to her. But when Walt's words are played backwards, is he saying: "They're coming, and they're close"?

Also last week, in the hospital where Shannon's dad died, you see Jack hurrying by in his scrubs. Was Jack's future wife ? who was in the hospital after an auto accident ? the driver of the SUV that killed him?

We probably won't get answers Wednesday in the extended episode (9-10:05 ET/PT) that focuses on the tail-section survivors.

Incidentally, more than 15,000 readers voted online last week: 21% felt the producers had picked the right character to kill; 34% said they would have preferred Ana-Lucia (Michelle Rodriguez) to die.

Nov. 9

? It's the number of stitches on a major-league baseball. (This ties into the Yankees' retired-number theories covered earlier.)

? It's a sacred number in Buddhism; a prayer strand traditionally has 108 beads. (This ties into the name of the mysterious island project, the Dharma Initiative.)

? It's approximately the number of minutes some satellites take to circle Earth.

Then there is the overriding theme of fatherhood, with close examinations of the complex and troubled relationships of Jack, Sawyer, Jin and Sun, and Locke with their respective fathers ? and, of course, Michael's rebuilding of his relationship with Walt.

October 27

?The teddy bear. What's the significance of one of the Others carrying a tattered stuffed toy as he or she walked by Eko and Jin, hidden in the brush? It could be a literary reference to the Lost Boys of Peter Pan. That person could be Alex, Danielle's child, who was taken as a baby 16 years ago. Or it could be the same teddy bear that was on Desmond's bunk in the hatch. (Lost and Found)

?Those digits. The magic numbers ? 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42 ? have all been retired by the New York Yankees, worn by Lou Gehrig, Yogi Berra/Bill Dickey, Thurman Munson, Whitey Ford, Don Mattingly and Jackie Robinson, respectively. (Of course, that doesn't account for 3, 5, 37 and 44 ? Babe Ruth, Joe DiMaggio, Casey Stengel and Reggie Jackson ? among others.)

?That swan.One of last week's clues was in error: The shark and the wall in the other survivors' bunker did have Dharma Initiative logos, but they weren't the "swan" logos found in the hatch. They were similarly shaped, but ? as viewed quickly and in dim light ? had different symbols. (Everybody Hates Hugo)

October 19

? The shark that chased Sawyer and Michael on the raft had a Dharma Initiative mark on its fin. Another apparent Dharma logo was at the compound where the new group of survivors was found. (Adrift)

? The actor who played Hurley's boss, Randy (Billy Ray Gallion), played Locke's boss, too ? also named Randy. (Everybody Hates Hugo)

? The numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42 total 108, which is the number of minutes the computer operator has to reset the counter. (Man of Science, Man of Faith)

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I'm trying to set my TIVO to record Lost for the next few weeks (some conflicting programs).  Its showing a new episode this Wednesday, but not next Wednesday.  Anyone know if this is correct, or where I could go to look it up?

Also, there's an interesting theory about the show in this weeks Entertainment Weekly.

That's correct. It will be a repeat on the 8th.

isn't that from the kid who was washed up on the beach with the tail survivors, who was carrying around a teddy bear?

^Yep, that's shown in the "the other 48 days". Maybe the person who wrote those assumptions wanted to get subtle meanings.
I just realize Kate's dad (the military guy which happens to be her stepfather) is the same guy who wanted Sayid to speak with his fellow soldier mate in episode 14.
Now watching the scene with Kate and his stepdad i can see Sayid on the Tv set, nice one. I haven't checked Hurley's appearence yet.
 

I'm not usually all that good at picking up background references, but I'm pretty sure that we (I watch it with my brother) have picked up on every appearance by another...loster...in somebody elses flashback.

Even the Kate thing, when her stepdad looks at the photo in the back of the...van.

I thought that Wednesdays episode was fucking great, until I got to thinking about it afterwards...You learnt absoloutly nothing.

I mean, it will still be my favourite episode of the season because there was a lot of Emilie de Ravin.........

But still. I would have prefered something a bit more criptic than, when you think about it, being given not too much more than that old Beardy Mc. Beardason wears a fake beard...

...Maybe.

Just this old post, thanks for the offer  : ok:

I've been downloading Series 2 and am waiting for E14 to finish! What are they up to now?

Constant problem I'm having of late is that the avi file is totally out of sync with the video and sound. Both on the computer or burning it to DVD.

Episode 15 aired on Wednesday.

But after that there is a fucking ridiculous break, something like 3 weeks I think?

I don't get it, in England we never have one week off from a season, let alone 3. This is like the fifth time this has happened with Lost in America,

do they do this with all shows?

I thought that opened up a lot more questions.  Since there were the tattered clothes in the locker, along with the beard, it implies that the others actually are wearing costumes to appear that they are stranded on the island too.  But in fact, maybe they are actually in contact with the outside world.  Maybe even able to come and go?

Seems they do.

Like Prison Break that i download from America

Episode 13 - 28th November 2005

Episode 14 - 20th March 2006

I've been waiting ages :rant:

Yeah, but they're pretty base questions.  :-\

My assumption is that the others can come and go,

remember how Ethan said that telling Claire (fuck I love her!) where all the stuff came from would be too much?

My theory has something to do with The Island being between worlds,

but it is far too abstract to go into any detail here.

I mean, it's all in my mind for a start...I've never said it out loud.

It was all a bit 'something bad happens to the children, hence Claire was saved by Alex', you know?

There were some slight assides that were very good (somebody getting made, Ethan sneaking Claire out.....), but I just felt that had I known before that we would find out what happened to Claire when she was taken, I would have been slightly let down.

That said, the episode was put together fantasticly! It was well paced, edited well and had some great acting.

That's insane though.

Did you know that, because Prison Break was so well received, it's original run was extended?

In that case, I'd say that probably explains that monster of a break.

Because 12 (13, assuming that the last two are a double episode) is the average for a midi-series. It probably got extended to 24.

Prison Break rules though!

I'm watching it in UK time though, on 5, so none of that break bollocks, just a new episode every week.

Do you guys have problems with the downloads being out of sync too?

Only time that happens is if my computer is running too much at once or i'm short on disk space.

So whenever i watch a download episode of anything or a film on my computer i shut everything down, i also delete every episode as soon as i've watched it.....

Jimbo....learn to download and speed ahead with Prison Break :P

Sorry dude, I did mean to answer you,

I guess I got carried away.

No, I don't. Are you sure that you're using the right codec? I'm not sure if that would make a difference, I guess it shouldn't but...

DivX, yeah?

Nah man, I want at least one show that I can keep to one a week!

Even if I do catch up, which would be like in a couple of days, I would then have to start waiting a week again for the next episode...But I would then have to start watching it through the PC, or having to go through the trouble of burning.

For the moment I'm happy with the pace, being able to watching it on the big TV without any obligation to download.  8)

With all the breaks in the states i hit the stumbling block of catching up with all my shows at one point....

Prison Break
My Name Is Earl
Supernatural
Lost
Desperate Housewives :-[

I'm currently downloading the whole of Season 1 of Deadwood (63.9% so far....) just because i'm short on episodes with my other series, anybody watch it, like it?

On topic, is the new episode of Lost any good, i'm busy skipping past spoilers in the thread.... ;D

Did any of you guys see hieroglyphics(the ones from the countdown) on the wall when Claire was shining the flash light on the room where her baby would be cared for?? (It could've been another room) or am i just imagining things?

Those are shapes of removed figures on the wall. A palm with a monkey, a zebra, a lion, an hyppo and a tiger.
However it seems the figures you mentioned are all over the murals in the hatch.

on the lost forums they asked one of the producers and he said that all of the things happening on the island can happen in real life too. they have people taking care of the scientific stuff, doing research so they are as accurate as possible.

still i think that lost is the best series i have watched in a long time. it is well thought and the plot lines are carefully being taken care of. hope they will carry on with 4-5 seasons more

I just play them with Windows Media.. is there something I should download to watch them with? I don't know much about DivX  :-\

Just download Ace MegaCodecs pack and you can play any shit you want  : ok:

I had a slight out of sinc issue with the last episode (15), but nothing major.

Lost is fantastic, I'm completely hooked, although I wish they'd explain a little more instead of throwing up more questions each episode. I just hope they have a decent ending planned and know where it's all heading, otherwise I'll never watch TV again.

My own theory is that the Island has something to do with the Cold War and is some sort of mind powered weapon. That's why they needed Walt coz he has uber crazy mental powers. I also think this weapon has been adapted as an experimental power generating facility of some sorts, run by a secret agency who made the plane crash and is also controlling a lot of what happens to the survivors for some reason. Although I had smoked a lot of drugs when I thought of that.

The girl who helped Claire is the same actress who worked in Malcolm In The Middle, the krelboyne girl. She's gonna be a regular.

Me neither.. she really pissed me off from day 1.. most characters on the show are love-hate but she is just hate-hate!!

I'm actually kinda dissapointed that she's leaving.

Don't get me wrong, I hated her as much as the next guy...

But watching some of her scenes again, it made me realise that it was the creaters who fucked up her character. She's a great actor.

But if she was being a bit of a bitch,

then good riddance, I guess.

Most characters on that show are really love hate. Jack pisses me off sometimes but there's a part of me that really likes him over Lock.. then I get pissed that Jack won't just sit down and listen to Lock occasionaly and has such an attitude.. and sometimes Lock just shits me to tears  :hihi:

Well im almost done downloading E15 so I'm almost up to date!

Yes, they do this with all the shows.  It pisses me off, the new season starts and you get maybe 2 weeks of new shows, then they go into repeats, then you get a few more new shows, then the holidays come and its back to repeats.  They put on repeats anytime the show would be going up against something else major, like the World Series.  I'm not sure why the break this time, maybe they just want to delay it so they have some good shows during the May Sweeps?

Dude, that's insane.

There would be riotting on the streets if some cheeky channel tried to pull that kind of shit over here.

But I think that the Networks are a lot more competetive over there than they are in England, would it be fair to say...

Oh, and don't get me started on your advert breaks.

England have, literally, half the advert breaks that you do. You can tell because over here, every other 'advert break' pause just goes black for a second and then straight back into the show.

Don't you get like 3 breaks during an episode of the Simpsons?

Yeah, trying watching RAW live on a monday and we get their advert breaks, it drives me nuts.

I remember hearing Baywatch got removed from ITV back in the day because at one point they were airing them up to date with the States and as we're not accustomed to breaks in series and reruns in the middle of series they just gave up on it eventually and Sky got it, bastards, i never had Sky then i still haven't seen the final couple of series :rant:

.....Still waiting for that to come out on DVD.

Baywatch? DVD? Pervert.

Oh, aye and aye, watching Raw live is a fucking joke.

Wait, hang on, I think we seem to have Lost the actual topic here...............

I've never counted, but that sounds right.  For  a 30 minute show, there is usually a break right after the opening segment and credits, then one halfway through, the one more right towards the end before the closing credits and last few minutes.

I almost never watch anything on live tv anymore, I TIVO everything and skip the commercials. 

I don't blame you.

I feel hard done by when we have one advert break in the Simpsons, having gotten used to having none half the time.

But, so, yeah...

Lost in three weeks.

Great.

Bump.

That latest episode, Lockdown, was just brilliant! (...heh, I think I just got it: Locke down... Lockdown :P)

Anyways, if you haven't seen it yet, don't click the links :)

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It was really good.  What do you think of Henry?

The last 5 minutes, or so, saved the show. I was getting pissed with nothing happening, than all of a sudden they drop these bombs on you at the end.

I think "Henry" is in for a major beat down. :hihi:
I just hope they try and actually get some information this time, unlike the last time they got circled out in the woods(The episode where Kate was taken prisoner)

So do you think he's actually one of the others, or someone different?

That's what my brother thought, and you're hella wrong.

Wednesday's episode should be how the majority of episodes of Lost play out! Nice bit of backstory, nice bit of island relationship between the foreigners, and nice clean jumps to progression of the story... The island.

The only problem that I had was that Ana Lucia was great! I'm really starting to wish that she isn't supposadly leaving... She's probably the best female actor on the show. Apart from Claire. But that's because Claire rules! Just like Locke is the best male actor on the show. Apart from Charlie. Because Charlie rules!

Well so far he is following their method of operation. Claiming the identity of the dead guy that was buried near the baloon is pretty damning. All the supplies from the DARMA group in the baloon doesnt look good either.

However with this show, you cant assume anything. I just hope next week is a new episode, I'm tired of the damn re-runs.

I enjoy the back stories also, I just thought that yesterdays didnt add much to what we already know about Locke, until the very end with the marriage proposal. I'm also getting tired of the pissing match between Sawyer and Jack. I did love Kates line "Should I go get a ruler?"

I'm starting to like Ana Lucia a little better too.  Or maybe just dislike her a little less.

I thought the supplies were dropped in, not related to the balloon.  Am I wrong?

More likely that I am wrong. I just got a quick look at the container and it looked like it was part of the baloon. I was assuming it had fallen from the time they first found it up in the tree.

Did you guys see the new episode, "Dave"?

I thought they were going to end the series in that episode.

Next one, "S.O.S." should be good, though...

Question about last week - are both of them dead?  I didn't think they said who exactly died, but I got the impression that it was just Anna Lucia.  But I read an article that said they were both killed.  Did I miss something?

anna lucia is dead for sure. i don't know about libby though!? if you watch the promo for the next ep (it's on the net) you'll hear jack sayin' "she's dead" as he puts ana lucia's hands on her chest. so he doesn't say "they're dead". maybe libby is just injured. we'll see

An article in last weeks NY Post mentioned that the actress who played Anna Lucia is no longer in Hawaii and her trailer was removed from the set. This was not the case with the other actress. Take it worth a grain of salt as the producers have shown that they will let false stories out or hide clues in places you wouldnt normally think to look.

Well... Nothing was very clear, was it. But Libby was holding something in front of her tummy, so maybe she happened to pick up some body armour............ Or something. I don't know.

They were blankets....thick fold wool military blankets...for her picnic with Hurley (remember, he was going to get wine, she was going to get blankets).

Now, the thing is...they coulda slowed the bullet down enough to keep them from penetrating into her vital organs and kiling her instantly.  And notice that Michael is actually IN the cell/safe in the preview for this week.

My guess is she's not dead YET.  That's not to say she's not gonna be dead before the end of tonight, or the end of the season, but I think she's alive "enough" to pass along some info to the other "losties".  And she may linger around long enough to job Hurley's memory of who she really is.

OK, another question:  did anyone notice (and call) the hanso foundation number that showed up in the "fake" commercial last week?

www.thelostexperience.com

http://thelostexperienceclues.blogspot.com/

:)

Huh, you guys got that in America the same time as us? The advert was on TV during the season premiere over here, I assumed that you guys had got it when it premiered over there. But, yes......... I did phone it up. Bear in mind that the only people who would have phoned up over here would be those who had stayed ahead by download; it was shown during the first break of the first episode of the second season, so nobody knew what the Hanso Foundation was........ Still, the line got jammed. I wonder how many viewers C4 have lost from being so far behind.........


Aye, I remember. I only saw the episode yesterday. I figured that there was something in the blanket that... I don't know. Body armour?

Though, I assume the plan is to make out that Henry escaped, so he wouldn't be careless enough to leave her alive, would he......... Probably.

I totally missed the fake commercial.  Probably because I watch everything on TIVO and fast forward through the commercials.  What was it about?

I did read that Libby is probably going to leave the show because she signed on to another series.  But that's unconfirmed. 

Does anyone think that Kate looked a little suspicious of Michael's story when he talked about the others wearing torn clothes?  She knows that at least one of them was a costume, and I thought she looked at him kind of oddly when he said that. 

Really good episode last night. I think Libbys death scene was very well done, not to over-dramatic or anything. All the actors involved in that scene, including Kate crying outside and Michael panicking about wheteher Libby will be able to say anything was really well played out.

I loved that it was another Echo intensive episode. He is easily my favorite character on the show now. It was interesting to see how finding the other hatch has opposite effects on both Echo and Locke.

I bet that in the new hatch they will find a way to play back the view of the first hatch and see that Michael  was the one who shot everyone.

I love this show! It is so well-written and keeps get more and more interesting.

The one thing I don't care for is how they casually show members meeting/bumping into each other in random places, but not being cognizant  of it  on the island. I have in mind Libby in the airport scene last night. There  have been others. I think that elemente is unnecessary to the show. But overall, it is the best drama series I have seen in a long long time.

Anyone know when the season finale is?  It must be coming up, right?

Finale on the 24th I believe

i don't think they'll find a recording because the hatch looked deserted for some time and the shooting happened the day before. the only possible way it could've been recorded is if the person who did it left the hatch really fast through another door because the way locke and eko got in they had to move the plane :nervous:
and i agree with the casual meetings of the losties before the crash. it was nice in the beggining but now it's just uncalled for. only if it has any meaning in the puzzle which, if i remember corectly, they said it doesn't
the next ep looks really interesting as they're gonna show us where michael was, or so i understood from the promo

Depends.

Some security systems work on a 48 hour, or even 72 hour, fed loop (some even longer).  In other words, they use the same bank of tapes over and over again, automatically. The tapes CAN be swapped, or pulled, if need be, but the thought process is that if you haven't found out within 3 days, or a week, or whatever the loop duration is, that you need the tape pulled...you probably won't need it at all.  So the trick would be to realize they CAN rewind (if that's possible) before the loop starts over and gets to the point of the incident again.

Just watched the last 2 episodes.  Great stuff!

My main query/wondering is with Michael.

Why did he kill Ana-Lucia & Libby, i mean it's not like The Others have brainwashed him and made him evil, well i don't think so, he looked really pained in doing it, like he had to but did not want to he even said 'I'm Sorry' and he also looked close to tears when he shot Libby.  You think they told him to do 'This' and 'That' or Walt dies?

Also were these sudden deaths because of the drink driving charge or whatever it was these 2 actors got.  It seemed odd after that flashback of Libby in 'Dave' where she was also in the nut house to so suddenly kill her off without progressing or taking that story anywhere...

they showed libby in the nut house just to show us where hurley seen her before. they said the meetings between the losties in the past are not that important to the main plot.
and michael killed libby by mistake, i think, because she saw him killing ana-lucia and when she appeared michael kinda shot in a reflex action.
and the others told michael to kill ana lucia probably. i remember henry saying to locke (not sure if it was him) that ana lucia was not a good person anymore or somthing like that, so she was probably next to die.

I think you hit the nail on the head.  Michael was doing it "for Walt"..either to keep him alive or to get him back.

Damon (one of the producers) says it had nothing to do with the DUI charges.  For Ana, it was always the plan for her to only do one season.  They "dreamt up" the character during season one, and were casting.  Michelle's agent called them, and asked if they were interested in her playing the role, but told them she was only interested in doing ONE season.  They hemmed and hawed about it, talked to Michelle, and decided they'd go with it.  So her death was always in the cards.

He didn't comment on Libby's death, though, other than to say it had nothing to do with the DUI charge.  So who knows.

We're goin to learn about Michael's deal with the Others next Wednesday, some Walt too.
Libby will appear soon on flashbacks.

Entertainment Weekly has a big article about the Lost finale.  It tells a few things that are supposed to happen and some things that should be answered.  I haven't finished reading it yet.  But if anyone is interested, I think I can get the article online and post it.  I don't know if anyone likes to read about what's going to happen ahead of time. 

It's part of the trade: Harry for Walt. So Michael had to get Harry out because that  is the only way to get his son.

I thought that...but then thought being the decent dude he is could n't he of just said to her 'Don't move or i'll shoot, i'm sorry, but i've got to let this dude go so i can get my son back....'.  He did not need to kill her, so what if she told the Jack & Locke, they'd understand they know how much his son means to to him.....

... Not to mention the fact that Jack and Kate went into the jungle originally to organize a trade for Henry.  :confused:

....That's it Henry....i was thinking who the fuck is Harry :confused:

Now it seems Hurley would beat the crap out of Michael, his comment was so full of irony.

Me likes that - please could you post the link.

I find it myself already  ;D
 

For all you pervs with a thing for Claire:

http://tabloidrabies.blogspot.com/2006/03/lost-star-emilie-de-ravin-loses-her.html

Schwing :smoking:

I think Jim might give you some good Karma for that since he has a big thing for her....

....on topic...

Just seen Episode 22 today, 'twas pretty good.  Nice to see Sayid ain't stupid, it's building up to an interesting conclusion (of this series, we all know it will end on a cliffhanger and they'll be like 10 more series....).  I'm still totally puzzled and oblivious to what 'The Others' really want, and who they are, how they got there, are they part of this company etc.?

It's such a good series i don't want it to end, but at the same time i want answers....

....oh well

There was an article in the NY Post on Wednesday, I think, where the writers said that 3 issues will be resolved with the finale:

1. Why the plane crashed
2. What really happens when the numbers aren't entered into the computer
3. The story line with Walt missing will be resolved.

Who knows if this will actually happen or not.

I'm going to be there tonight! I can't wait to find out what happens! I'll either be reallllllly disappointed or like when Michael shot Ana Lucia and Libby I'll be sitting there with my jaw dropped and crying! I'm such a baby or as the kids say emo!

I thought last was a great finale for the season.

I'm really interested to see how they develop Lockes character for next season. He knows better than anyone that something special is happening on this island, but everytime he finds something he believes in, he is proven to be completely wrong. I can see him developing into a bit of a mental case next season and being a big problem, especially since Jack, Kate, and Sawyer wont be around to keep things together, at least at the start of the season. Could be a big battle brewing between Locke and Echo(Eko) however you spell his name. Thats assuming they all survived.

That was one hell of a twist to throw at the end. Does that eliminate the theory that they are all dead?

Pretty much...unless heaven/purgatory has trackable electromagnetic pulses. :)

It was a great finale....much better than last years.  It provided enough answers to hold us over til the fall, and left enough questions to get us to tune in next fall.

Man, I wish someone would get ahold of those journals dumped from the pneumatic tube and read 'em all. :)

Yeah, soon as I saw all those tubes on the ground I thought "There goes another of Lockes theories down the drain"

I like that they gave us alot of information, but yet with the progression of the story kept it interesting for next season. I'm more curious about "The Others" now than I was at any point last season or earlier this one.

I'm curious about what happened in the bunker, because Charlie is acting pretty odd and there was no sign of what happened to Echo or Locke.

Am I correct in assuming that Henry Gale is indeed the Head Other?  And that he purposely got himself captured in order to ultimately capture Jack, Sawyer and Kate?

Also, what do you think HG meant by "we've had more than we can handle with Walt" or something to that effect?

I think he IS the head "Other" (and thought so when they had him locked up, actually).

I don't think he intentionally got captured.  I think that was a complete accident (hence the "I'm not happy with the deal we made with you Michael" line), and not a good one for him.

I think getting Jack, Kate, and Sawyer was what he was up to when he was out in the field and GOT captured (maybe not directly, but working toward their capture).

I think HG was talking about dealing with Walt's "powers"...the boy can be a handful, obviously.

I think HG is ruthless; I'm having a hard time accepting that there is not more than meets than eye to his "deal" with Michael.  We'll find out in the fall (...that sounds familiar).

My head is still spinning with the last scene involving the guys in the boat and the phone call to Desmond's girlfriend.  Beyond disorienting.  Are they implying that she always knew where Desmond was and had a hand in getting him there?  Is her father (the guy from OC!) part of Dharma?

Heh heh...

What did one snowman say to the other snowman?

I just rewatched some of the finale.....

Gets better each time I see it.

I prefer the "My balls are freezing" punchline to "Do you smell carrots"

I think Desmond's Ex hired those two guys on the boat to locate him. Their alarm notified them that they located where he is. I think next year they'll make it to the island.

I think there is going to be more to the island than we've come to know. When Henry said "We're the good guys" I don't think he was implying Jack, Locke, Echo, Charlie, Jin and all (the original cast) were the bad guys... I think there will turn out to be a whole different group who are "the Bad Guys". Henry only captured those 4 because they will be useful in their fight, not dead weight.

Pure speculation on my part. I don't think Michael is gone for good, I'd like to see him go back to those 3 at the smokescreen to team up for some kind of rescue.[/

i find something weird, when lock meets desmond in the beach he tells him the joke about the snowmen and carrot stuff , in the flash back when desmond is picked up by the old guy he is asked "are you him?" what does a snowman told to the other"? when he doesnt t answer the old guy is dissapointed,the one who knew the joke was lock , was he waiting for lock?

WAY back when Locke first entered the hatch (the first episode of the season), Desmond asked Locke the same questions that Kelvin asked Desmond when he found him.

Are you him?? What did one snowman say to the other snowman?

And the fact that Locke is now the ONLY person who knows the "correct" answer to the joke will, I think, be important down the road.

Question:? Does anyone remember the Sayid episode where he was forced by the American Military Commander to "break" his commander?

Wasn't Kelvin the same guy?

Edit: In fact, he was. Joe Inman from the episdoe "One of Them".  Same actor played both roles, and Kelvin's last name was Inman in the show.  So, either the same guy (and he said he was a spook for many years) or his twin brother. :)

Yeah is the same guy, Kate's stepdad was there with Sayid too.

The fact that the plane crashed because of Desmond screwing up the procedure was rounding my mind before, but there's something intriguing, why he didn't refute Locke's theory when they talked in the beach?
Shocking shit, best episode(s) ever.

Did you notice Matthew Fox (Jack) played the other character in the last scenes at the boat(the one with the cap and glasses)? Thought it was obviouse.

No that was another actor. A lookalike yeah. Those dudes were speaking portuguese, either from Portugal or Brazil.

Huge implications from that scene.  If something that happened on the island was noticed by people in the "outside" world, doesn't that refute all the purgatory theories? 

Yeah, i had the impression this place was imposible to locate, judging by Henry's words "even God doesn't know about this place". 
It appears the team hired by Penny are located in one the poles, in some way they are gonna track the electromagnetic incident.

Watch it again, It's Matthew.

oh , ok thanks for clarifing that for me , so my big discovery wasnt that big  :hihi:

No it's not, he indeed looks like him. Check this:

The official guest star list for Live Together Live Alone

Guest starring: Malcolm David Kelley as Walt, Henry Ian Cusick as Desmond, Sam Anderson as Bernard, M.C. Gainey as Mr. Friendly, Michael Emerson as Henry Gale, Clancy Brown as Kelvin Inman, Tania Raymonde as Alex, April Grace as Ms. Klugh, Alan Dale as Charles Widmore, Stephen Page as Master Sergeant, Michael Bowen as Pickett, Sonya Walger as Penelope, Len Cordova as man no. 1, Alex Petrovitch as man no. 2, Eyal Podell as young man and Cathy Foy as receptionist.

 Len's imdb page
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0502653/

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0502653/photogallery

Oh, I see. He looks A LOT like him. Wonder why they had to choose a look-a-like. Well, whatever thats cleared now...

what episode are you on in the states now?have you finished the second series yet?cos i have seen up to episode 22 series 2 and need to know if there are any more out there yet.

2nd season is done.

Season 3 won't start until Septemberish.

Actually, October.  At least thats what I read.

-darknemus

nice one!!
secondly does anyone know where i can get the last 3 episodes of season 2?

That's right.? I'd forgotten about that.

They're going to run "arcs" this year, to cut down on the repeats.  And to get that set up, they're going to start a bit later this year.

I wouldn't mind them doing the same thing 24 does and start in January if it meant running through the whole season w/ no repeats.  I think that's one of the smartest decisions the 24 guys made was when they did that.  Well, and having a 4 hour season premiere over two nights - definitely gets the ball rolling, so to speak.

-darknemus

Funny, I read an interview with Damon L. and the interviewer asked the same question (I think it was either Kristen on Eonline.com or Ausiello on TVguide.com)

His response:  They'd love to, but the network won't let 'em.  Something about lost ad revenue or some crap like that.

This "arc" thing is their compromise.

And I agree on the 24 front....best thing Fox and the producers ever did was run it for 24 straight weeks.

I originally wrote this in the 24/Shield thread. I then realised that it had nothing to do with anything.......... If you're wondering about why I'm comparing it to 24, it was in response to your ^ best show on tv banter. I couldn't be bothered to change the opening.............

I don't think that Lost has proved itself enough to be compared with 24 yet. Asside from the first four/five episodes of season 4 (which were awful), twenty four has been consistantly fantastic! Season 3 is going to be a huge season for Lost (... It's usually season 2.................). If they tread water, and keep up with the pacing of the mythology episodes (which has been pretty poor) then they are going to lose a lot of viewers. I'm also curious as to how they are going to handle the flashbacks for season three, or if they're going to be part of the show at all. Some of them in season 2 were dreadfully forced; Michael's first one of season 2 springs to mind. There was no interest in it at all. There were times that I would hear the noise and just be like, oh shit, another flashback......

Lost is a very good show and there were some great flashbacks. Hurley's (though, the Dave twist was a bit of obvious, but still god), Charlies and Jack's were, as always, brilliant. But even Locke's were kind of below par, and flashbacks like Shannon's were a real stretch to fit the episode.

Season three will begin airing October 4, 2006. It will include 23 episodes that will be delivered in two blocks: an initial fall arc of six episodes and a second run of seventeen consecutive episodes beginning in January or February. According to executive producer Damon Lindelof, there will be new characters in this season as the fans get to know more of the plane crash survivors. There will be fewer flashbacks of the original characters since the new ones will have their own that will become a unique and central component of the series

 :D

That's quality. I hadn't really understood before how they were airing season 3. It is almost like what the 4400 did, though in that case they were forced to. The first "season" was six episodes, and then the second one was twelve. But if you watch them together it runs like it's just one. If Lost approach the first six episodes as a mini-series (I mean, it would have to be if there's going to be an actual story arc, providing that's to be taken literaly) then it can only be a good thing for the show.

I would appreciate less of the Miss Clues though. I was almost sick when she was introduced in the show. Everything about her. The actor, the character, the approach to the character and, most of all, her name. Bring back Shannon!

I'm finally all caught up with you all. Amazing stuff and I can't wait for October to swing around. There are so many weird little things here and there that must be explained. Like the white sky, Charlie's drugged personality, how The Others got there etc.


"Och Dammit..." How funny was that drunk Scots bastard Desmond's return.

Anyone else getting fired up about the new season?  What direction do people think the show will go?  I thought last season's first episode was brilliant.  I may be slow, but I thought the opening scene was a flashback rather than Desmond in the hatch.  I hope the season opener has a great beginning as well.

at least we'll get to see desmond in every episode this season (if they don't kill him). i'd watch the new season only for that character :yes:

I'm all fired up.  Been following the ARG "The Lost Experience" all summer, so that's helped, too.

I think their broadcast schedule for season 3 is pretty interesting.  Personally, I like it.  6 new eps starting on October 6th, then a hiatus until late January/Early Feburary, when they'll broadcast the remaining 18 episodes straight through til May sweeps with no breaks.

I'm hearing some good stuff (spoilery) for season 3...it all sounds pretty intersting.  I also have this strange hunch that one of the "big 3" (Kate, Jack, or Sawyer) is going to die within the first 6 eps.  Nothing concrete on that, just a personal hunch.

i don't know, the spoilers say that kate will choose between jack and sawyer in the first six episodes, nothing about them dying. at least i hope not. there are rumours of people dying because there are more actors appearing.

I like it too, but those first six episodes will go fast.

I wonder how many seasons they plan to go with this show.  If they are only going to have one or two more seasons, then your hunch is probably correct.  I like how they actually have this show planned out.  It seems like too many shows have good first seasons and then they don't know where to go with it. 

I'm excited to hear about the white light coming from the hatch. Charlie was in a haze when he wandered out.

Actually, that's precisely one of the reasons I think one of them might die....

Shannon falls for Sayid. Dead.

Anna Lucia gets it on with Sawyer. Dead.

Hell, even Boon sorta chose Locke (in a more non-sexual way). Dead.

So I'm thinking one of the "big 3" is next to go.  Of course, it wouldn't surprise me if I'm wrong, either.

One of the spoilers I read gets me even more fired up.  From the sounds of things, Locke is going to return to his Season 1 days, and be much more "Rambo/McGuyver" this season.

you might have a point because they tend to change things radically and to stop the fight between jack and sawyer's fans they could kill one of them. imagine the shock :hihi:
but i think that the duel between the two is a great part of the series.

i think they said the plan is for the show to have 4 maybe 5 sesons, which i think it's ok. but i hope it won't go into something like 10 sesons because i want to find out everything in this lifetime :hihi:

check this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PPCCcXarkc

I watched a few episodes of Lost in HD but it never caught on. The season 1 finale was a disappointment to me.

Getting close to the season opener.

I wonder if they really will kill off one of the big three.  I hope the opener gets moving quick so that we can at least get a fair amount of action before the show goes in hiatus over winter break.

I need answers!

just watched the first episode of the new season and that had it's season start tonight in sweden, missed half the show but what a great programme i must say, best on TV :yes:

jsut started wathcing this show...i'm trying to catch up for the premiere but i can't so now i gotta tape it and watch it later

I'm a little bit spoiled with what's gonna happen but still the first episode of S03 was quite shocking. 

Shocking in what way? 

I thought it was an OK opener, but not as good as last years.  Unsurpisingly, I have no idea where they are trying or going to go with this.

The very first scenes, i had no idea what was happening there until the familiar faces appeared. I'm getting used to see this show in 90 minutes or so, because i keep looking back over and over. I'm not dissapointed so far.

You can save yourself some time by fast-forwarding any scenes on Jack's back story.  What a way to get Season 3 off to a fresh start.  I didn't know Jack had Daddy issues!  Also, it turns out his father was an alcoholic.  And, wait, he was in a bad marriage?  His wife cheated on him?  What a shock!

The opening scene was fucking quality. I really want to ask something that spoils the episode here....

it was a nice opener but like george steele said, jack's backstory brought nothing new.

we have a spoiler alert in the thread title ;D

Ok, SPOILER!!
























So are the Others left overs from the DHARMA Initiative?


I didn't get a clear answer from the woman who kept bringing Jack food.

well, when jack asked if that place he was in  was an aquarium she said: "it's called the hydra, they named it that" so maybe she's not from dharma but some of the others are, or maybe none of them are from dharma!!??

I remember he said something like "are you leftovers" and she said "it doesn't matter what we are" or words like that.  ???

no, no, no. i've watched it again (the wonders of internet :hihi:) and jack asks: so you people are what's left?" and she replies: "that was a long time ago. it doesn't matter who we were, it matters who we are" so she kinda avoided to be placed in the same group with everybody. she's not so happy to be put in the same league as ben/henry and the others.

Ah, so they are DHARMA?

I actually caught onto it.  It was too similar to last season's opener.  Last seasons opener, with Desmond in the hatch, totally threw me off.

I agree 100%.  I almost thought someone was doing a parody of the show when they were showing the red sox.

OK, last night officially got wierd! I don't read all the messege boards for this show, don't want to. But they called Sawyer "James", how come he didn't question it when they knew his real name?? ?Also the whole Red Sox tape thing was cool, I wonder what the deal is with the islands "Others", guess they enjoy being exiled from US for one reason or another.


Anyone have any thoughts on last nights episode?

I know what you mean, its like nothing has happened in the last two episodes. 

Yeah I can agree with this, before it was a mysterious island in the South Pacific that was unknown... now it's a known island to the US with construction & electricity & all.. It could be a US Territory around the Samoan islands or just off the Baja Penninsula or something, doubtful it's exactly in the middle of nowhere. It really depends on where the writers go with it the next 2 or 3 episodes, which should lead up to the break. (This season they are airing 6 or so episodes, then taking a break until January & airing like 20 new episodes straight into May)

I still find the whole concept interesting, although there have been some hints about the others, still seem somber with a weird shocking truth behind them.? As things go i am sure this won't last more than 5 seasons or so, like it's been commented. Still there are more questions than answers - which i find cool.

I guess the show will lose all mystery once it's over, but it is definately losing a lot after the first two episodes.

The one thing I still want to know however, is what the Others are(DHARMA?), why they are there and what the fuck happened to Desmond?!

The whole "lost experience" ARG explained some of that, so long as "The Others" are DHARMA leftovers and decendants, that is.

This video from the game gives quite a bit of info:

http://www.hansoexposed.com/player/1f92b3c13886076a3cae52c0116aaef7

Click continue and let the 70 fragments load (takes a bit) then click view.

Just curious, what's "ARG"?

"Alternate Reality Game".

Essentially, the producers ran an online game over the summer giving away some of the mythos and backstory of the show.

You can check out www.insidetheexperience.com to get a pretty good idea of how things went down.  The game started just a week or so before the end of Season 2 and ended up on Sept 24th-ish.

I'm starting to believe the island has money making opportunities or some kind. Hence when Ben and the rest don't want to leave.

I don't know, if they've really been there their whole life like Ben said, money is starting to be less and less of a factor. I'm thinking a "greater cause" is more likely.

Well what does Jack have the rest of his group doesn't? Medical knowledge.

It could just be something as simple as needing disease relief  8)

Maybe they're diseased. Or they believe those from the outside world are all diseased (Hence, they only want Jack). 


I'm still confused Sawyer didn't question how they knew his real name. :nervous:

Isn't the chick who pointed a gun at Kate a doctor? In the first episode of the season, she was telling Jack he's going to dehydrate unless he drinks, and he figured she's a doctor (or else it was just a joke).

I think she's a psychiatrist.  She'd have gone to med school, but she wouldn't, necessarily, have the kind of surgical and medical specialties that Jack has.

I think it is pretty obvious she is not a surgeon.  The women that got shot will return to camp barely alive and they will need Jack to save her (perhaps bullet lodged near her spine or something).  Jack will barter for his friends' release or soemthing.  I could be wrong, but it seems like an obvious story line.

BTW, I've loved the 1st two episodes of S03.  I think we already knew there was a zoo and aquarium on the island from the presence of the polar bear and the shark with the dharma logo on the fin.  They haven't given much away really.

You have to wonder if the writers knew the polar bear story would wrap up so nicely when they started.

excellnt stuff i have seen the first two episodes of season 3 too,what was with the way the  lady that was speaking with jack or trying to and the leader?ben?what was with the way there voices changed when you first saw them together after her seeing jack,it was really weird.cant wait to see the next episode hopefully get it tomorrow off the net..

I wasn't particularly enamored of last night's episode, really.  It was just OK...but sorta dragged out.  I loved the first two eps, though.

So now Locke was in a hippy-type cult that grew and ran marijuana?  I agree, last night's episode was weak.

I think the point was that Locke is disturbed and had Daddy issues...something we pretty much already knew.? And he's willing to look past an awful lot to get a sense of family.? I gotta rewatch it tonight and do some slo mo on them reviewing Eddie's info.? I wanna see if I can make out any dates.

I'm going to take some leaps of logic and assume that his involvement with the hippie drug cult had something to do with him being in a wheelchair (I'm guessing...given the writing I'm probably way off the mark) which does speak toward why Locke had such a violent reaction to Charlie's drug use.  The problem is, it's tough for me to peg, timewise, exactly when it occurs in relation to past flashbacks.  I'm assuming after....but it could very well have been before, I suppose. 

And it did give little insights into Lockes character, etc.? There just wasn't ENOUGH meat on the 1 hour bone......

Although, given Sawyers comments on the bears, and him being in their cage at this point, it was nice to get more info on those darned polar bears.? ?::)

fucking weird when the copter crashes and rips of his leg though. and then when the wolves comes, damn.

actionous! : ok:

I thought Ep3 was MUUUCHHHH better then Ep2.  Nothing really happend in ep2 at all.  This one showed us that locke, desmond and eko all survived the implosion but have all come out of it a little different.  Can desmond see the future now?  did the electro magnetic field somehow alter his place in time or something.  very strange.  I also like how locke has re-established himself.  his entire world was shattered last season when he thought the button pushing was just a sick game and didn't have any true purpose.  But now he has a purpose again, its to help his friends and become a father figure again, to learn from his mistakes.

I liked how the cop in the flashback talked about his pychological profile, you'd have to think the Others saw the same thing in him when "henry gale" was their captive.  They were right about locke, but pretty wrong about Sun (after she shot that chick in the gut).  Cleary there is some serious pychological experiment going on.....

Next week looks intense.

Next week does look AWESOME!! Save us from this crapola.

As for last night, I didn't get too much out of it, then again I never really catch onto the underlying theme's & things they imply (or at least, things other viewers think they imply, and later only turn out to be wrong anyway)

I think Locke is going to go try and rescue Sawyer, Jack, & Kate hence the whole hunter/farmer theme. But again, maybe I'm only stating the obvious here. I didn't understand much from the Polar Bear?! When did that first appear, was that season 1 (which I didn't watch) I don't recall that much before.

I hope next week informs us a little bit about the whole "Dharma Initiative" and why the Others choose to stay there. Sawyer will kick some ass though!  : ok:

The original polar bear was, in fact, from season one.

The trip he had was awesome. I now believe that the Others took the island by force. Did you see all the skeletons with DHARMA uniforms? I reckon they stuck the polar bear on them, then caged the animals once the island was theirs. After seeing the plane crash they stuck the animals out again or something.

I really liked last nights episode, very straightforward. Not much hidden meanings, or make guesses at which will only turn out to be wrong in future episodes. So they brought Jack in because he's a doctor, and Sawyer because he's a great con-man.. Why Kate then, my guess is to create tension between Jack & Sawyer, but I could be wrong. Also revealed was the fact they are on a different island than the original, not sure the overall impact of that, but I think he said this island is "twice the size" of the other island, so maybe it is recognized & on the map after all. Again, I didn't catch much for down the line, but I liked the action & suspense in it (most of it).

The preview for the next two weeks looked so-so.. Seems they're bringing aliens into it, as at the end they showed some kind of monster looking into the security camera. I think there's only 2 or 3 more episodes until break, then they start back up in January straight thru to May, NO REPEATS!!  : ok:

I agree. Great episode last night.  And I agree on the reason they have Kate there: To compel Jack and Sawyer to do their bidding.

2 more eps til the break.

Not resuming until late Jan or early Feb, I think was the last report.

I think the "alien" was just a guy with an eyepatch but I'll take another look on my recorded version tonight.

That's funny you say that, because a good morning show here always talks about Lost on Thursdays from @ 8:15-8:30, but today the guest was running late. I only drive from about 8:10-8:30 so I was going to miss it. I flip thru commercials  & caught another, crappy morning show DJ talking about it. It sounded like they weren't big fans of the show, just trying to steal some of the other shows audience. Anyway, he said he saw a guy with a patch, but read some people thought it was an alien or a monster (then a sidekick made a lame joke about how it's Popeye?!  ???)

Anyway, so you might be right, I don't have a DVR so I can't rewatch it. Let me know if you re-watch it, or myb I can catch it on abc.com.

Just an update...

Lost is currently slated to return February 7th (after it's next 2 eps).

On the "alien"/eyepatch guy:? What I saw put me in the mind of Jack Palance with an eye patch so I can completely "get" the "alien" thing.....but again, I'll have to pause it so I can get a better look.

So, who do we think has the tumor?? Is it Henry/Benjamin?

Well, no matter what I guess I will be wrong anyway. 2 things I noticed though, I still find it odd they asked Sawyers "Age & weight" ?? Also, could Kate be a possiblility.

Both are long shots, but yeah, Henry is the obvious choice, so knowing this show that's right out!!

Jack said the xrays were of an adult male between 40 and 45 (I'm sure on the male part, but fuzzy on the exact age...I remember the range being older than Sawyers confessed 35 but will recheck tonight).  Unless Kate has some very interesting secrets...it can't be her.  It could only be Sawyer if I messed up the age range that Jack gave....

I, too, think Henry's too obvious....but I can't think of anyone else...unless it's someone we haven't met (the eye patch guy??).

Jack said it was someone in their 40s, not Kate.  Didn't Jack in the preview for next week talk to Benjamin saying he knows its him with the tumor??

I have a feeling the others are going to try to talk Sawyer into working for them in exchange for getting off the island.  the flashbacks showed he only takes care of himself (though he did set up the account for his daughter). 

I think you're all right about Kate, notice the sexy clothes they give her too.

def wasn't an alien, i think it was a dude with an eye patch.

whats up with desmond though, if he can see the future won't he know when/how they get off the island? haha

i don't know, the next two eps better deliver, show is stuck in PARK.  nothings happening!!!

i dont like the idea of a second island, makes the LOST world a bit too big now.

Ok, I messed up the post. I was off on a tangent while thinking it all over, you're right he said @ a 40 yr old man.. Sawyer said he was 32, then 35, possibly he was still lying about 35, but yeah I don't think they would care to Xray him and care if he had a tumor on his spine. So I think it's Henry, anyway, it'll be interesting to see if & how Jack/Sawyer/Kate take sides as to which island they fight for.

I agree with Hanna Hat, this islands getting a little too big too quick. We'll see how it plays out.

Yah, but the way they did it leads me to believe that it is not Ben.  They showed Jack confronting someone and then cut over to Ben.  I think they are trying to manipulate the audience into thinking it is Ben.

yeah, you're prob right.  the "twists" are getting very predictable.  not for one second did i think Sawyer had a pacemaker inside of him.

 :rofl: That was a beauty, thank you. ?Son of a bitch!!!

My main focus this season has been the blonde female Other that is either reaching out to Jack or diabolically manipulating him. ?They seem to be presenting her as a kind and gentle Other, but I have a feeling she may be 100% pure evil, especially considering Sawyer's observation about her (when he told Kate she would have shot her no problem).

Jack is definitely a sucker for a pretty face too.

Was intersting when Sawyer punched benjamin at the end how nobody went to beat down sawyer, even benjamin just took it...as if to say "yeah, we deserved it, now we're even, lets get down to business".  The pychological experiment has begun...

still would be nice to have more answers about all the big questions.

Speaking of gentler Others, remember Rousseau's daughter?

Where abouts can I see this preview for next week's Lost? I gotta check out this eye patch guy.

Last night's was pretty damn good  : ok:

Me neither.

Follow up from rewatching via Tivo:

Jack says the spinal xrays are of a 40 year old man.  Not Sawyer, provided he didn't lie about his age.  I'm not sure about Ben.  I would peg him as a bit older than 40-ish, so.....

On the "alien"/eyepatch guy:  It's definitely someone wearing an eyepatch.  I think it's a man from the facial features, but they're either wearing a trenchcoat type thing, a VERY loose (and too big) shirt, or a dress....light in color.

Another thing that struck me about Jack is that he did not hesitate to jump in and attempt to save that woman's life.  He was clearly in a power position but did nothing to use that leverage against a group he considers his enemies.  Seems like he got carried away by his compulsive need to fix things (that, and his good nature).  I wonder if he'll react the same way when he's asked to help whoever has the tumor.

I know he's in the middle of an island, with no one to monitor his ethics...and I also think you have a point about his obsessive need to fix things....but as a Doctor he has an obligation to do what he did.  The Hippocratic Oath, and the ethics of his profession, pretty much demand it....and we all know Jack to be ethical almost to a fault.  I think that was as much a factor as his need to fix things was.

Another reason Jack tried to help without question may have been the promise by Ben of going home (whatever that may mean) if he helps the Others.

I thought it was funny when Jack said "time of death....", looking around for a clock.  :P

He also had a good line when he told Juliet that there was nothing she could do to save Colleen, then she said you must be doing that to save my feelings. Then he told her he doesn't care about her feelings.  After making Jack look like a little lost (pun) cry baby, he seems to now be getting back that mentality of getting to the bottom of what's going on.

I think what helped fuel people thinking the eye-patch/trench coat was an alien was the reaction by the Losties watching it on the screen. They were gasping, alomst screaming when they saw it. Then again, Lost is the master of making the previews of the next show seem like the best thing ever. If I had a show to promote, I would find this person and pay any price to put together my promos.

I agree on Jack's changes recently.  You could see it when he pulled the "Henry Gale" on Juliet early in the episode....breeding a little bit of discent just as Henry/Ben did between Locke and Jack in Season 2.

Jack seems to be slowly coming to the realization that, even though the others have them in captivity, it is the Losties that have the upper hand...because there is obiously something they want from them.  "The Others" are trying to put up a good front, and look like they're on top, in order to compel "the Losties" to do what they need without giving up anything.....We'll have to see how all this plays out.

Good point. By this time Sawyer is aware of that too and since he's a good con man it's probable he won't bite the dust again.

Something about the preview makes me wonder, it's a fact the losties are back on the Pearl station in which they saw the eye patched guy through the monitors but didn't the Pearl station used to monitor the hatch which went to hell after the implosion?
So my guess is they've found another station to keep an eye on and that guy is someone who should have been dead, maybe Radzinsky?

I assume Ben asked Sawyer about his weight and age only to backup the pacemaker trick, i don't think he's the guy with the big tumor.

You're right--Sawyer has always been a cynic and willing to question authority, you would think he would have figured  it out  that it was a mindfuck. I mean, really, there weren't even any scars running down his sternum that are necessary for that kind  of surgery. Get real. The writing is going downhill, and we need answers to the big questions, not more  tangents.

i reckon ben is the one with the tumour!he said at the end loneliness makes you sick with tears in his eyes.maybe im  mad but i reckon that was the clue!

The flashbacks are getting better though IMO. In Series Two I thought they were used more as an excuse to avoid the main story for a while. In this Series however they are actually pretty good viewing themselves.

Well, the plot thickens... is there anything in the Hippocratic Oath that says you can't murder your patients?  In any case, I doubt Jack will go that route, but I feel more distrustful of Juliet then ever.  If someone I barely knew asked me to kill someone, that would probably send up a red flag.

On a sadder note, I can't believe what happened with Eko.  NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!  What the fuck is that thing?
 

I know....Eko was my favorite character.  I'm holding out hope that he's not really dead, but that what they saw was, in fact, the black smoke taking on his form.

Yeah, I'm reaching for sure.  But I really, really, really don't want him to be gone.

Sadly, I think he is.  He got pretty fucked up there.  Did they ever find his brothers remains (I was kinda half watching/half not the last 10 mins or so).

I think the black cloud monster is the reason behind all the other hallucinations we've seen (locke's, walt, hurley's).  The questions now are: what is it and where did it come from?

I like how they're adding new characters in - that new girl is HOOOOOOOTTTT

eyepatch guy should be fun too - i wonder what side hes on.

Best episode of the season. 

Yup, absolutely.  Next weeks looks good, too.

The preview were interesting...made it look like there's going to be some co-ed naked wrestling between Kate and Sawyer. :)

I like new characters if they come from elsewhere on the island.  However, I don't like when they add people to the passenger list.

eh, doesn't really bother me, its not like they are just appearing out of nowhere, there were more people on the plane then the ten or so they focus on week to week.

I thought the main writer/producer of the show said nothing supernatural is going on. How in the hell do they even begin to explain what killed Eko?

I still look forward to watching the show, but it seems like this season is a different show from the first two seasons. Writing, storyline, everything has changed. I guess what one of the writers who left (David Fury???) said was true; the show was being made up as they go and had no real end. From what I've recently though, they have the show scripted through season five, when they plan on ending it. Who really knows?  ???

I'm not a fan of the new characters.  We lose Bad Ass Eko and get this Paulo dude, whose only contribution to last night's episode was taking a dump in the hatch.

Really bummed about Eko.  What does everyone think about his refusal to repent?  Was it his final judgment that he was in fact a "bad man" and was death by the Smoke Monster Thing his ultimate punishment?

Funny thing is a month ago i predicted Eko was next to go off the island since Adewale Akinnuoye Agbaje was arrested in Hawaii for drunk driving like Michelle Rodriguez and Cinthia Watross - As soon as the black cloud grabbed him i knew what was coming. ?

Only one episode left until next year, they should throw a good cliffhanger there.

Does anyone notice how all the losties on the island have either been involved in someone's death or caused a death inadvertently? you can see this in the flashbacks. I think Ben is the tumor person and he purposely brought down the plane as when in a previous episode while he was talking to Juliet, the plane crashed and the their island rocked and he made a commment like, Oh we got a good one. I think he is going to ask Jack to save him but wanted the upper hand so Jack will still do whatever the hell they are sending people out in to the world to do. Ben may actually be a lot older than he looks as doesn't the island have mystical powers to heal - when it wants - Locke, the black lady and man, etc. Why didn't it heal Eko - cause it was his time to go. I think the force wanted Eko to confess and feel bad for living his life the way he did but I completely agree with his confession - you do what you have to do in life to survive whether it is good or evil. You might not always have bad intentions when you do something bad.

I think Ben is a scientist playing with life. Maybe the island the losties are on is where the failed experiments reside good and bad. I think he might have started with animals and moved on to humans. In real life there are magnetic poles and some other things that are a little weird so maybe he has created this small universe in which he can manipulate things to be the way he wants them to be. maybe he is trying to create a super race of humans thus the scientific experiments and the hospitals scenes with needles from the flash backs of some of the lost people and send these people into the world to recruit others and when they find others who they think may be suitable, they manipulate their lives to get them to the place they want them to be. I think he started out with good intentions, probably trying to create the fountain of youth or cure disease and then power went to his head and it became more evil.

I think the last two episodes were the best this season. I don't really like new characters but Siyad, locke and Jen have pretty good backgrounds along with sawyer so that should keep it interesting. Yeah, maybe the directors is right, they make it up as they go and any speculation is wrong. But there must be some thought put into it or things would not tie together - not that it all does now but things have crossed paths.

I bet the dude in the eyepatch is one of the others watching them and they were able to get him briefly watching them since Ben's place seems to have cameras everywhere. I have a feeling the losties are being watched even if they don't notice the cameras.

Any theories as to  what the black smoke is? Is it real? Or  another  mindfuck?

It's really going to annoy me if Jack the hero refuses to kill Benjamin because of his oath. That is, if Juliet is telling the truth.

As for the smoke.....

Seriously can't wait to hear how they explain it.

the smoke might be just a cover for some sort of mechanism that is able to grab people. if you listen you can hear sounds like some pulleys(don't know if that's the word) are moving or chains...
or maybe the smoke is used to hide different things. it grabbed locke in season 1 or 2, when eko stared at it in season 2 he could see different images, and someone mentioned it could be just a security system

Kind of sounded like an animal too!  :nervous:

don't think it's an animal but i still don't know what knocked down the trees in the first episode of the first season?

Awesome episode!! Awesome!! Fuck yeah, Jack takin' charge in the end. Nice cliffhanger.  : ok:   I didn't like the backstory much, but loved the island ending.  Sawyer kicks ass!  8)

can't believe we have to wait 4 months to find out what happens!!!!   I knew Jack wasn't going to sell out his friends.  he played the game perfectly.

I thought it was two months?
Anyway I hate cliffhangers like this but tonight's episode was great, Jack and Sawyer are such bad-asses.  :smoking:

February 7th is the return.. Then straight thru until May with NO repeats!!  : ok:

I like it better this way than 2 weeks on/2 weeks off etc

I think Feb 7th is when it comes back for about 16 new ones in a row.

I'm glad the bad ass Jack is back. Way too much of him being a little wuss for too long. As soon as he said he would do the operation, I knew he had something up his sleeve.

The Kate backstory seemed a little stale, but I did find part of it interesting. The guy that played her husband, the cop, he seemed a little too famous to be in what seemed an insignificant role. I wonder if there's going to be more about him and the island somewhere down the road. Seems like you could have put any average joe actor in that part.

As far as the part 1 of season three, I still think the show is going in a bad direction, if any direction at all. Too much Jack/Sawyer/Kate story going in circles and just plain dumb things happening (the sling-shot attack last night ?::) . What happened to the show that was full of mystery? The numbers? Hell, the rest of the the cast? It seems like the first season was almost a different show from where we are now. I still enjoy it, but it's just not the same. The writers promised events that would change the island forever, but we only got more of the same. Maybe that's some of the problem. I need to stop expecting and just let it happen (sounds like a certain band that we all love).

Yeah, I thought the backstory was pretty lame.

I agree about the changes, I would have liked to have seen it only be the island for another season, then merge these new characters in, but maybe they felt they were running out of material & plotlines. Last year had a few boring episodes. But it would have been cool if Jack & Sawyer butted heads alot more (like split the island into 2 groups Jacks people and Sawyers people). Remember when Sawyer had all the guns?.  THEN go into all this where they have to stick together.

Those next 16 episodes must be the best ever seen, more answers than going in circles.
About the cliffhanger - thing is Jack ignores they are on another island and apparently Kate won't go anywhere...
Writers must develop this situation into a good plot. I won't find attractive a tension decrease after getting a good drama peak like this.? ? ? ?

I still like the show and watch it, but  I read a preview of  the season that said the writers and ABC were commited  to answering some questions, and yet all we get  are new mysteries. I am getting a bit  bored with  all the different tangents and want some answers to the big questions from  the first two seasons.

no he doesn't.
and i'm a bit confused because i don't know what he means by "you"? kate alone or kate and sawyer. because he yells at the end "run kate run" so i think he only wants her to leave so she won't be with sawyer.
anyway, if they chose to run we'll get 2 episodes of sawyer and kate swimming :rofl:

Jack doesn't know that fact. (When i use ignore i meant not knowing? :P )

It would be great if both Kate and Sawyer escape but Sawyer is being pointed with a gun by Danny (he's determined to kill him) so i find difficult for Kate to follow Jack's order.? Like i said writers have to put their best to conclude this.

i dont think they are :P

anyhow i wathed all the show in less than 2 months both seasons and the 6 newset ones :hihi: pretty damn good show

i got a theory the others base is the hydra right? do that mean it has 8 heads? or other hatches?

there are other hatches. and there might be 8 of them and the hydra is where the hq might be. if you remember from the 2nd season, when the emergency door fell on locke's foot he was able to see a map that was drawn on the door. i think there were all the hatches there.

and if they decide to kill sawyer i  think i'll give up on the show. he's a great character.

no i know there are other but i think the map only showed 6....so the army dude sayid knows maybe didn't know of all of them when he drew the map or the map wasn't done? :-\

we've seen the Hydra, the pearl, the swan and the staff (medical unit they took Claire) and whatever this new one is....i dunno hydra is a mythical beast with 8 heads so i jsut thought it was a cool theory ;D

sawyer wont die .... no way :nervous:

The Dharma Map here:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/899469/DharmaMap.jpg

What was the Hydra Dharma Symbol? I guess this map (6 hatches) only shows the losties' island, none of them is the Hydra.

I have seen the preview trailer for next episode and yeah looks good.

well the map is a guys knowledge right? and you can see that in the top left that a hatch is scribbled off...so that is 8 the hydra in my theory would be in addition to those 8 :beer:

What did you guys think of the opening episode?

pretty cool IMO...but it didnt answer anything....all it did was generate more questions :rant: :hihi:

it was good...i see jack getting a little time in the brain wash room unfortunately though :(

nice twist with juliette (thats her name right?) being a prisoner so to speak on the island. 

i TOTALLY saw that guy getting hit by the bus as soon as she said it to the corportation dudes.

Did everyone catch the "Mittelos = Lost time" anagram?

actually someone told me they read that on one of the lost forums...kinda neat : ok: they always have crazy stuff like that in there somewhere

someone also told me that Jacob was mentioned at the end of last season and the word "jacob" was in the clockwork orange crazy scene

But supposedly the "lost time" anagram is a significant clue - whatever the hell that means - towards what's going on with The Others.  If it has something to do with time travel, freezing time, etc., then it could explain how the apparitions - Jack's dad, Kate's horse, Echo's brother, etc. - could make appearances on the island.

what is up with alex's father too....he's supposed to be dead according to rousseax :-\

Perhaps she means "dead to me?"  Or is Ben her adopted father?

i dunno but rousseaux said she killed all the people in her group...including alex's father...unless she made up the story cuz she didnt want them looking for the others....or maybe she has had some memories implanted

ben might be alex's real father because rousseau said they were all in a research project which might be the same project that juliet was in? but rousseau didn't like what was happening and turned against them and ran away with her baby?

yeah i was thinking that but she said in season 1 i think that she killed all the people in her party...why do that? so they dont go looking for the others? :-\

Cor, me too. A mile off. Not only that, but I saw the set-up coming straight away, as soon as the scene outside started. They set the bus up in the background, but even before that...

Not a bad episode, definitely not the best of the season, but at least it kept up with the trend of being far superior to a lot of the season two stuff.

y something like that :beer:

The thing Tom said before Jack nicked Ben's artery was interesting: "Well after the sky turned purple..."

I think Alex believes Ben to be her father because she doesn't know the story about her mother, and how she got onto the island in the first place.

A pretty good episode this week, although nothing was really answered, except that charlie's going to die.

I thought it was a fantastic episode, it really tugged at my emotions.  how can you not feel for Desmond.  To be that madly in love with someone and know that you can't be with them and to wake up after turning the key in an endless game of deja vu (if you think about it hes in a vicious circle of repetition) to realize that he should have done things differently......wow, just totally tragic.

i wish he hadn't told charlie this episode that he was the one who was going to die....minutes before he told charlie i said to myself "Claire is supposed to die".  The idea that you can't change your fate came about very late in the episode, clearly desmonds actions seemed to be protecting Claire, not charlie.  Still, will be interesting to see how this changes Charlies fate.  i'm still not convinced Desmond was telling him the truth....

so was that what really happened to Desmond in his past? or was it like a weird dream he had after he turned the key and was knocked out?  :-\ cool tie in to how he is connected to charlie :D

well the question is did all of that happen AFTER he turned the key (like he went back in time) or has he known from the get go that he was destined to be on the island.  i was under the impression him turning the key is what gave him his "powers".

another question - the other people who can see/know the future - how did they get their "powers"????

time travel plots are a tricky premise, i hope it doesn't distract from the rest of the show.

You know that rumour about finck might show up in an episode or somehitng, well i had a dream about it :rofl:

I only remember it very vague, he was sitting by a fire, and his "style" was like a mixture from 01-02 and 06/07, i don't remember much and i think it was kinda cartoonish like "a scanner darkly" (or what it's called, but not that much) or something but it was still lost, and yeah it was raining, all of a sudden there was a big bang or something i think, and the music was like something that reminded me of a new-gnr song or it was a new-gnr song that was on lost (i don't understand that statement myself) anyway he ran away and i was in a nother dream or something maybe i woke up :hihi:

thought i'd share somewhere it was a couple of days ago but remember it now :hihi:

I want to see everyone in Lost wake up with a copy of chinese democracy? in there hands but no cd player? :rofl:  I know hurly has a cd player but I will asume the batteries are dead.

this week was pretty cool...damn Jack got screwed with that tat :hihi:


pretty cool though

"Thats what it "says" but its not what it "means" " : ok:

I haven't found this season all that interesting... So far I think season 1's been awesome, season 2 good and season 3 just OK. Doesn't look too good if the trend continues.

Well, after the Ethan business was revealed, at least it looks like either

a) so, they haven't been making it up as they go along!

or

b) they're not too bad at making it up as they go along!

There were a couple of 'pfft, are you kidding me?, that's pretty dumb' moments on the last episode that were (thank the Lord!) cleared up by the end; Juliette knowing where Ethan's stash was (pfft. Having it at his drop off point made much more sense) and Claire just happening to get ill when Jack returns (Ben and an implant and it all makes sense!).

It's gearing up to be a much better season than the 'meh'-fest that was season 2, save from a couple of standouts.

Haha ;D I have a feeling it's b) though...

As for my comment up there, yeah the 3rd season was in a real slump at that point, but I must say it's managed to pick up quite well. After a long while I'm actually waiting to see the next episode.

Season two had me actually just wanting the episode to end before it was even halfway through, but at least this season is doing a bit better. Only five episodes left this season.

i'm liking this season so far....i thought jack was in cohoots with Juliette but i guess i'm wrong

and why in hell wouldnt they go back to the village to live instead of the beach? :-\

This season is finally getting very interesting!

I'm so intrigued to get the next episode now after what the woman that fell from the sky revealed!!

Everybody's dead Dave....Mmmm.....the plot thickens... :D

So, given what Juliet said in this past episodes about the male fertility thing.....anyone expect that there is another Lostie who's preggers?  They certainly seem to be hinting at it....

Well didn't Juliet say she has to get samples from 'austin' when she left the taped message for Ben? Maybe Sawyer gave Kate more than she bargained for?  :hihi:

Well, it's like... You know, without any rubber, pill or what have ye, after the Sawyer and Kate sex bonanza surely it wouldn't be unwise to put your money on her being pregnant, given the fertility rate business...

Not to get too off color... but Sawyer seems like a facial type of guy...

Speaking of Sawyer... I didn't see the John Locke's dad thing comming

I think there is a MASSIVE double/triple cross coming up.  The whole "i think we should tell her" thing is REALLY interesting. 

Ben is too smart not to know what Locke would do with his dad and with the knowledge that locke knew that juliet was a mole. 

this season has gotten REALLY good, i just hope we get a few more answers before the finale springs a ton more on us.

Hahaha.. well that's a possibility. But I didn't see her needing a clean up afterwards!

Ahh, I did... About a year and a bit ago.

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48 episodes (after this season) spread out over 3 more seasons...and then Lost is finished.

I'm sort of glad.  It means that we'll definitely get answers....and the show won't get canned before we do.

Yeah kinda bummed only 48 episodes but at least it will go out and not fade out.

And at least now the questions to answers ratio will start to improve!

Sometimes when I watch that show I think they have been in the island like a year or two, then they say 'its been 3 months now'!  :hihi:

The kid cast as Walt will be playing a 6-foot tall 10-year old with a fu manchu by the time they bring him back.  They're going to need to tie up that loose-end sooner or later.

Ummm......have you seen all of season 2?

They did tie it up...not neatly, but tied up.  They don't NEED to revisit it.

And with the "time weirdness" that seems to surround the island, the survivors may just come back to a 15 or 20 year old Walt.  Who knows...if they even decide to say anything more about Mike and Walt than they have.  Harold Perrineau has turned down an offer to return (in the season finale) already....we may never see Mike and Walt again....and just get a blurb or piece of info in the series finale when they return and ask about them...be easy to explain away with still shots (We found them....floating adrift in a boat 100 miles off Bali coastline.  Sorry Jack...they didn't make it....dehydration and starvation.....it was like they were at sea for weeks).

All of season 2, the kid is billed as some kind of mystic wonderboy and it's tied up with a ticket off the island?  Or dead at sea?  That would be weak...

It's probably all you're going to get.....

You may get more explanation from the Others about why they wanted him, and what his role was on the island (assuming he "did" something while with the others), but it sure looks like Walts role in this is done.

are you serious? I pegged that as soon as we found out he was a con-man

Yeah, my wife and I pegged his relationship to Sawyer around that same time....

My assumption is they will get off the island...I could be wrong...but the assumption also goes to the question we were discussing.  If they DON'T get off, they'd never find out about Mike and Walt anyway, because if Walt and Mike "made it back", there'd be no news of them on the island.  See my point?

another great episode tonight! Who, or WHAT, is jacob!?!?!  Was there a split second where you could actually see him/something sitting in the chair? 

so now we know who Dharma was....who are "the hostiles".  what were they doing on the island before Dharma showed up? 

Great scene at the end with Locke in the ditch.  is he a goner?  not sure, he is a fast healer!

can't wait till next week!!!!

yeah last night was pretty cool...i wonder where Juliettes loyalties are :-\

and if Ben hated the battles between Dharma and the Hostiles so much then how come hes still at odds with the planes survivors :-\

I dont think Locke will die but they did say they were gonna kill off a few characters. his character was amusing last night though. I htink the reason that he couldnt see jacob is because he didnt kill anybody. thats why Ben hates Sawyer and Kate so much cuz they will be able to see him

The Lost Media site has the screen caps from last night's show, including this one providing a glimpse of Jacob:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1287-535.html

but why was he able to hear him in the end? and why would he say "help me"?

Because he's not there willingly?  Because Ben has him somehow "contained" on the island.

And when Jacob tried hard enough he was able to tap into Johns affinity to the island, which made John able to see him breifly

yes, but you said john couldn't see jacob because he didn't kill "anybody" (i'l be more explicit and say "his own father"), so why was he able to hear him? if he didn't kill anybody then why sense jacob in any way, hear or see?

haha i dunno i was just pulling at straws...and the only thing i could think of is johns weird affinity with the island....like why didnt the black smoke kill john?

I meant him showing up on the Island and being killed by Sawyer. The way they intertwined all the passengers I did see the relationship, but not how they finalized it.

Another thing I've been wondering:

Ben's mom... Dead, seen on Island
Jack's father... Dead, seen on Island
Locke's Father... Possibly Killed in Car Accident, seen on Island

How does this tie into the Jacob story line.

Just spitballing.

Thought so.  ;)

One of the best episodes so far! The season has only a couple of episodes left I think.. what an ending.. it is going to be a long wait until next season!

Now I wanna know about more the dharma originally.. and the hostiles.

thought what? try contributing to threads a bit instead of two word psots taht say absolutely nothing ::)

Neemo's got it!, Jacob's a thestral!

As for last weeks episode, it was all right, but not the masturbation-fest some of you are making it out to be. We got more information, cool, but the first half of the episode was still pretty boring stuff.

Masturbation fest? Did I miss something..


"Greatest Hits" was a cool episode... good ending..

season finale next week already :o

damn it went by fast for me



yeah Dominic Monaghan is a really decent actor....his other one too Fire and Water from Season 2....that is prolly my favorite episode of the series

I actually thought last night's episode was kind of boring. The most action was Desmond taking charlie out to the station to flip the switch but other than that it was mostly banter about their plans to keep the others at bay. Charlie's flashbacks were ok but they should have shown them sooner to make me like the guy a bit more. Most of the last three seasons, he was kind of annoying and I didn't care whether he was killed. But last night I actually felt sorry for him. Maybe some sympathy earlier on would have made me not want him killed off...

I can't wait for next week. It's the only thing I have to look forward to besides Sopranos. yes. I live a pathetic existence. But it sucks to have to wait until January of 08 to see the first new episode!!!!! I thought the hiatus this year was rough. What will I ponder? What will make me think as much as this show has? Kind of bummed but excited to see the season finale.

I like Charlie too, but they've built his impending death up so much that at this point I'll feel let down if he lives.  It's time to die, brutha.

Yes, Jack is fucking annoying, as is Kate.  Many people seem to have that opinion.  I never thought those 2 should have been main characters.  Locke is great though, I'm almost certain he'll live.  Ben, meanwhile, may already be one of the best villains in TV history.

Anybody watch "Answers" last night?

just basically a run down of the past 3 seasons documentary type thing had  the producers and writers talking on it.

It didn't seem to be about answers as much as they were trying to convince us that they have/had a plan all along. Don't get me wrong, I love the show, but instead of answering the real questions (there are many still out there that have yet or never will be addressed) they were pushing how everything fit together just like they planned. From what I've read about the writing and from what I've seen, they may have had a rough idea for the first season but have on-the-fly come up with the rest. Nothing wrong with that, but don't try to say now this had a masterplan from the get go.

I think the best way they could have ended it was after they announced it will run for three more seasons, they should end it with next weeks final episode. Get them off the island and do whatever they plan. Now THAT would shock the hell out of everyone and go down in history as one of the greatest suprise endings ever.

shows too big for that though although it would be crazy :hihi:

they flat out said that they didnt know where some stories would take them

the black smoke for instance they were like we dunno what it is yet :hihi:

Ok. They getting off the island next week is a real possibility as I have read some theory boards and some spoilers boardss and they think they are all in a virtual reality type of setting. But someone said that at the end they get rescued and the future shows will be flashbacks of more of the island - more of Ben, explaining mysteries, etc... someone said at the end of the next week's episode, Jack is supposed to be speaking to someone and saying we have to go back to the island and the person he is speaking to is Kate.

Also, the directors told us they were going to tell us what happens to them in the future so I'm thinking this might be a possibility. Like what happens after they get off the island. So, that is additional shows too. Locke wants to stay on the island which makes me think Jack and Kate might be going back to save him from something or someone.

But yeah, getting rescued next week would be a huge WTF.

Yeah, those are theories and they aren't gonna happen.? The show would get destroyed in the ratings if all future episodes are flash backs and back stories.

WOW - totally amazing.  Do I really have to wait till Feb 08 for the next new episode?!?!?

when kate got out of the car --- wow --- holy crap. 

i'm still soaking it all in.  just an amazing 2 hours.

And whose funeral was it?  I'm thinking Ben's.

Why? 

Really?  I loved that ending.  To me, it reaffirmed that this show is something more than just a dramatic version of Gilligan's Island.  That it's about the characters finding themselves and not just their way off the island.

I agree....one amazingly good mindfuck.  The fact that the "flashback" was, actually, NOT the flashback but a "flashforward".....or, depending on how you look at it, the "island" parts were the flashbacks, was just amazing.

And it answered some questions.  First off, the island is real.  It's not purgatory, it's not someone's coma dream, it's not virtual reality, and it's not the interior of a spacecraft.  Second, we know that at least Kate and Jack get off the island.  Third, we've become intimately familiar with "The Others", and they're not nearly as "scary" as they once were.

But it asks so many more questions, too.  I seriously wonder what direction they'll take for the final 3 seasons, now.  Will S4 actually START with Jack, Kate, etc OFF the island and Jack trying to rally the troops to go back?  Or will we be back on the island, with the castaways awaiting rescue?

I can't wait for February!

I think it was a great episode...perhaps one of the best of the series.

maybe it was a Desmond type veiw of the future?

anyway i assumed Kate was with sawyer when she said that he'll be wondering where i am. then i also thought that maybe he placed Kate in place of his ex wife?

the really weird part was that he acted as though his father was alive in the hospital and the drug store? so what the hell if its the future his dad cant be alive can he? :confused:

if it is the future maybe the funeral was for Locke

Couple things:

1) His dad didn't need to be alive for him to use his dad's perscription pad.  Notice the way he "freaked" when the pharmacist attempted to call his dad.  He's "out of town"......

2) His comments to the other doc were, quite obviously, made when he was in pretty rough shape.  And notice the other docs reaction.  I think he was so completely addled he didn't know what was going on....

hmm, i don't know.  its odd they made so many references to his dad.  i don't see how he can still be alive and your ideas make sense.  i'm thinking they wrote it that way so you thought it was a flashback, not the future.

i think the coffin was Ben.  When the caretaker asked "friend or family" - Jack said "neither".

i think only some of them got off the island.  Claire and the baby, Kate (cuz shes preggers with sawyers kid) and jack.

Dharma is EVIL!!!  they used pennys relationship with desmond, send desmond on the race around the world to find the island that they 'lost' when ben killed everyone.

show is just f'ing amazing.

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There's some great freeze frames there...especially of the article Jack was carrying around about the dead person.

It's a man.  It looks like the first name starts with a J, and ends with -antham, he's "from New York.  He was found in his downtown loft after loud noises were heard. 

maybe that part says Manhattan :-\ it looks like it starts with "Jo" to me i still say it was supposed to be John...Locke and Jack never got along so that could explain the neither comment

never mind it does say antham

who was from new york on the show?

Bernard, Rose, and Michael.

Which means it's either someone we haven't met or someone using a "fake" name.

It's been suggested the name, on the high def feed, was Jeremy Bentham, a 16th century philosopher.  If that's the case, the "relationship" to John Locke (who's named after a 15th century philosopher) is an interesting one to explore.

I was not disappointed at all in last night's episode. In fact, it made me want to watch the future shows even more because something really bad happened on that island to cause Jack to hit rock bottom and continuously take pain killers and drink and what to kill himself. I think Naomi is from Dharma and they are not going to be rescued but instead will go into the hands of a worst enemy that does atrocious things to them. I think Jack is rock bottom because he regrets the decision he made to contact whoever was on the other end of Naomi's phone, disregarding Ben's warnings, Locke's warnings, etc. He was the leader and he made a choice - at first he thought he killed Sayid, Jin and bernard. But it didn't happen. But he beats the crap out of ben and makes the decision to ignore his warning - I think we will find out that Ben's group is not as bad as the other people coming to pick them up. When Ben killed off the original Dharma people, he never told them and made the island appear to function as if nothing happened knowing that if Dharma knew their people were killed, they would come back and do serious damage to the ones left alive. So, he kept up appearances and Dharma didn't know anything was going on until Desmond blew the hatch and then they were trying to communicate with the island to find out what happened.

Anyhow, I think Jack's decision to call for rescue will wind up horrible. Only a few of them get off the island, not everyone, but before they get off they go through hell and Jack cannot face the fact that he left the other losties to die or be tortured permanently or experimented with. I am not sure who is in the casket - I think either Sawyer, Ben or Locke or maybe Walt - who has become a leader for Dharma because of his powers? But Locke makes sense as he was trying to warn Jack not to make the fatal call!!!!!! But maybe Jack made Ben leave the island and Ben couldn't handle society or was killed by Dharma and Dharma will slowly kill everyone who returned home because they know their "secret". Walt told Locke when he was lying in the hole that there was still more to do so obviously next season Locke will probably be the hero to save the Losties and Others.

I cheered, cried and felt like this episode had me on edge the whole time - loved Ben's comment about torturing Alex's boyfriend so she wouldn't get prego - kind of what I want to do to my daughters boyfriends - and the fact that Rousseau asked Alex to tie Ben up in a mother/daughter bonding moment - funny and awesome!

Sorry this show rocks and makes you think - there are not many out there that can do that. It's philosophy, religion, politics, ethics, and more rolled into one. I just wish more of my friends watched so I could discuss theories. Rock on brutha!

good stuff.  i love how smart this show is and how it enables you to still engage in it well after the last episode has aired.  i really hope they do something on the net between now and Feb 08.  i'd be shocked if they didn't.

if there's no charlie in the future seasons i'd be really disappointed. i'd rather have sayid, bernard and jin all killed than charlie.

i think the funeral was for a child not an adult, the coffin seemed way to small for a fully grown person.

and the future flashback i totally saw that, especially when jack's wife came in at the hospital and she was pregnant.

i don't know what the next season will bring but i'm a bit let down of where the situation is right now.

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Then prepare to be pretty disappointed.  Dom has said, basically, he's done.  He said he'd never rule it out, but he just can't see a role they'd offer him that would appeal to him at this point.  They'd have to offer him something completely spectacular, (like an Obi-Wan spirit guide type role) especially considering he's going go back into films, now, so his shooting schedule with those is apt to be both hectic, and more "unpredictable" than any TV shooting schedule.  I think our expectation is that Charlie is gone for good.....and be pleasantly surprised if he shows up as a cameo or guest shot in some future episode.

(Edit: Watch the vid interview above, after you read the printed one.  Ignore Kristen's annoyingness....and look at Dom.  You can tell by some of the things he says, it doesn't sound like he was real happy with his role this season......)

On the small coffin thing, my wife pointed something out (she was a pro photog before becoming a stay at home mom):

It looks like they're using a VERY wide angle lens in the shot inside the funeral home, probably because of low ceilings and a lack of space.  Those tend to thin things out in the middle (especially after correcting the "fish eye" bend), and could be why the coffin looks so small.  In this case, maybe it's NOT something we should "read into"....but maybe it is.

With this show, you just never really know.

thanks for the link and the info on the filming of the funeral scene. it's sad to see him go as far as i'm concerned. he was one of my favourites. i think dom was a little upset that the show focused a lot more on few select characters and the others were put behind. the reason why we got a charlie focused episode last week was probably because we'd never see him again. too bad.

as far as the funeral go, it couldn't be john locke because i am willing to bet he remained on the island with danielle. he would have no reason to go back in the world.

I agree 100% on your feelings about Charlie AND about Dom's feelings.? I thought Charlie (along with Hugo) was the "heart"/"soul" of the show....and I don't mean they should be the focal point...just that they leant a lot of the humanity, humor, etc.

My thought on it being Locke would be that he was FORCED to leave the island, somehow (if, indeed, it was him in the coffin).? Thus, the suicide (since the article seems to insinuate that the person was found hanging from a beam).

I think the speculation over the next 8 months is going to be interesting.....for both the fans and the writing team (who, of course, won't read THIS thread...but you should see the stuff going on over at www.thefuselage.com).

i haven't been at the fuselage for ages. there were too may theories and i just couldn't keep up  :hihi:

i don't know how they could force locke to leave the island. he could've hidden from them if he wanted to.

my theory:  they're going to show them getting off of the island and stuff next season, maybe with some "Flash-forwards."

also i think it was Locke's funeral...someone took a screencap of the newspaper clipping and it said Jo..it could have been Ja(mes) for Sawyer, but its doubtful, because Kate said something about "he's probably wondering where i am"

Someone PM me, I need a recap of the season finale.