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you already own the album.

Case in Question, When the Hollywood Rose Album came out i purchased it it cost something like ?15.99 but it was sealed although i wanted to listen to it i didnt want to oen it so i didnt last night while on limewire i thought id look for the songs which i did i found and downloaded and listened to them. Was this illegal ??? or am i going to have the music companys knockin my door down :nervous: :confused: (ps im not really worried just curious to know)

if you buy a copied version of a dvd you already own isnt illegal ?

music company will make a big step if they can provide a service where, if i buy on cd, i can listen to it on any support: my mp3 player connected to their servers, my home pc connected, on a friends computer, on the plane ....

on another note, is it illegal to sell a mislabelled album because i bought a jimi hendrix boxset where most of the songs arent really hendrix.

unnfortunately i lost the receipt, but do youu think i could take it back to hmv and get a refund

there probably is a small risk of getting caught

if you distribute the songs on the net then you are more likely to get caught as far as i know...ie when youve downloaded them, make sure that noone can download them from you

you can find out more from the anti riaa sites on the net

Technically putting anything with a copywright on a peer-to-peer network is illegal, so I assume downloading them is the same

I'm pretty sure if you own the songs it's not illegal. ?It would be no different from copying it directly from your CD, you've already paid to listen to those songs.

Also depends which legal system you're talking about.  Canada doesn't have any firm laws in place against internet downloading.

Downloading music off a P2P network is essentially the same as taking a book out of the library. Your still getting the product you want and supporting the artist's/author's work, just free of charge.

If you're in the US, it's legal.  Or, at least partly.

The Supreme Court has upheld (the "betamax" ruling) the right to "media shift", so long as you have purchased the content.  In other words, if you buy a CD, and download the mp3's, it's legal.  HOWEVER, with P2P...if someone is downloading from you (as in, you have file sharing on), THEN you are distributing the media illegally.  Make sense?

1) You have the right to download the MP3's, since you bought the album.  You're not violating the copyright laws in any way.

2) You do NOT have the right to share those MP3's with anyone else who has not bought the album.  That WOULD be a violation of the copyright laws.

So, if you're strictly leaching, while that's considered bad manners, you'd be OK......

Not really....but we'll leave that debate alone.

:)

this is the same for canada, so long as you own an orgional copy you can "for your own use" make back up copies of any purchased media. It gets intresting with software, however so long as you own an orgional of that program you can have 1million copies... again only if they are for yourself, however with software if you plan to use on multiple systems unless you purchase a multi user licence then its illegal. but for music, and tv shows, and movies you can have copies galore for your own use. and in the case of TV shows... its not illegal to DL them so long as you have the particular channel that they are from. and on another note on music, Radio stations that webcast their radio broadcast are required to pay the normal royalties plus a certain % for the webcast content, this varies per label with i beleive sony requireing 100% on both

well i live in the UK (although i wish i lived in US) so i dont know what the laws are here i pressume they are the same, but if its so illegal how come everyone does it and how do thse p2p site manage to exist ???

Ah, good ol' India. No cyber laws to speak of. A truly 'free' country.  ;D

Again, in the US, you'd have to go back to "the betamax ruling" by the Supreme Court.  In essense, since there are perfectly LEGAL reasons for the networks to exist, the technology, itself, isn't illegal.  So p2p tech can't be recinded from the public.  The fact that it can be used to do illegal things is a moot point.

Why does everyone do it?  Getting something for nothing is a pretty strong alure, especially considering it's very tough to track p2p users down.....

As to how "illegal" p2p sites manage to exist?  They either fly under the radar, and no one reports them,  they are hosted out of the country so prosecution would be almost impossilbe, or they are "owned" by several dummy "persona's" and are tough to track down.  MANY p2p sites HAVE been shut down, and others have gone to "registration only" where the p2p dl's are in "restricted" areas that you gain access to only through mod approval.

Usually I end up buying the CD anyway if I 've downloaded a few songs off an album  on a P2P & like it. Usually the sound quality is not nearly as good as if you went to the store & shelled out the $12.99

Aye. Me, I download music reasonably frequently. If I like what I have downloaded, then I buy it. No complication, really. It's just handy to be able to listen to something on release, if I can't really afford it at the time.

I like this quote:

"Illegaly downloading music won't destroy music, it will destroy the music industry."

My friend says it, not sure who did originally, but it's a good enough reason for me to download music illegaly with a clear conscience.   :)

well i only try and download rare unreleased tracks or porn and shit like that Hollywood Rose was the first Proper Album i suppose but i thought as long as i own it id be ok

When you buy tracks off of iTunes etc, what are you buying exactly? mp3's? or some other format?...if so, then surely you are getting ripped off with lower than cd quality sound

MPEG4 to be exact. And yes you are getting ripped-off with compressed media.

oh i see...first rule of commerce, the majority of kids are dumb and we can sell anything to them  :hihi:

Depends.  Realize that most ipods (and most PC's or portable music aparatus) aren't capable of really doing justice to high end audio, anyway.  They're just not equipped to do it, for the most part.  So, if what you're using to listen to music, mostly, isn't capable of giving you the quality you'd buy on CD, I'm not sure how you're getting "ripped off".

But, I would agree...if you're using a high-end (or even good mid-range) home audio setup to listen to mp3's...you're robbing yourself of quite a bit in the sound quality department.

well considering that with downloading songs you are wiping distribution costs, costs of creating the cd and the cover itself, printing the cover, shelf space costs and youre still paying ?8-10 for an album of mp4's rather than cd quality sound id say you were getting ripped off, it probably should be around ?5...not to mention you have to burn a cd of mp4's to play in your hifi which in turn does not produce anywhere near the sound of a cd...therefore to get that you have to also buy the cd...of course there is also the added possibility of deleting the track from your ipod/pc or the hard drive failing and losing all your tracks etc and having to buy your collection again

id rather buy the cd and rip the tracks to put onto my creative zen than download tracks unless they were rare or unavailable elsewhere, that means i have the cd's even if anything happened to the mp4 files

btw a 20GB ipod could take 30 cd quality albums

And you're adding sever space, hosting costs, bandwidth cost, order entry system costs, credit card processing (or pay-pay processing) costs, costs to "rip" the original into digital format,? and a whole host of other overhead costs.? While I agree, it's probably not a net zero equation, overall, I'm not sure the discrepancy is quite as large as you think it is


That was my point.? If you're going to play it on your hifi, buy the CD and rip the tracks yourself for your ipod.? If you're going exclusively for you IPOD or other portable music device, mp4's ain't too bad of an option.? On losing your collection:? Back it up in file format.? If you're buying digital media and not backing it up...you're practically throwing money out the window.? Hell, even the CD's that I buy get copied and the original never sees the inside of my car...that way if they get stolen or scratched up...I still have the original at home.


I'd rather buy the CD, too, because it would get played in my stereo at home, or in my car.? But I can see the reasoning behind wanting a strictly digital version, too, especially if I was a college student or urban dweller, since, most of the time, I'm not going to be playing the music on anything capable of showing off the differences between quality.

Capacity isn't the issue.? It's the "delivery method".? In other words, the standard ear buds suck.? And to get ear buds that would actually let you hear the difference between an MP3/MP4 and a CD quality track would run you roughly what the ipod cost you...maybe more.?

since i work in the web industry i can tell you that if you stretch the costs across a few thousand artists then the cost is quite negligible
security certificate costs little, credit card processing cost is minimal especially if you have your own servers, server space and hosting costs are near enough the same thing and is/are negligible, ripping cd tracks could be automated...yea you may have a case for bandwidth...but really it isnt as much as you think it is


yea youre right, earphones dont have a great quality to them...but you dont need great earphones to know how badly mp3's sound...plug the same earphones into a hifi and youll notice a big difference...either that or i must have quite sensitive ears lol