Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Maybe a little of a, a little of b?

As long as theres something better waiting for me on the other side dude, thats all I care.

Maybe we just die and rot in the ground and are forgotten. Maybe there is no other side. Does anything we do really matter? We are just going to die. Maybe life is but a brief intermittent 70 years, sandwiched between two eternities of nothingness. But would eternal life make life worth living either? If life  is meaningless in the short run, wouldn't eternal life mean an eternality of nothingness?

"Dead Horse" has been a big help to me.

You just summed up what scares the hell outta me.  Being an atheist an all and well the prospect of nothingness freaks me out, i want to believe in anothe rlife, in an actual meaning, a fun afterlife, but i'm more of a realist, i see most religions as just really big cults invented as a form of social control and to also stop people going nuts when they're about to die....

Nine Inch Nails has been a huge, huge help to me. Songs like "Hearsay" and "Hurt" have helped me deal with the harsh prospect of the emptiness of our existence.

Axl and Trent.

surely if there's nothing after death then there's nothing to be scared of, as thats all there is. nothing that is.


personally i think there's a god; just not an all loving god. An all knowing, all powerful, all loving God would have done a better job of creating reality than this.

There is something when we die IMO. What it is i haven't a clue. It's pretty exciting really. I don't fear death, because in it you discover life's biggest secret. It's meaning.






....Hopefully  :hihi:

Life only sucks if you want it to.

You will die.

God is a big black woman, and she is probably pretty angry right now.

I think I'll get along great with her.

I like what i have now and i fear nothingness, fine i won't be alive, or conscious or whatever to notice or be bothered then but it pisses me off now, that the life i'm living will one day be gone, that there's no continuation of sorts in any kind of afterlife and all the people i love i will never meet again....

These are great questions.

The best I can do is try to make in meangingful now because that is all I know as an absolute truth:NOW.

Live it so you won't regret it. Then see what happens later. If it is nothing, then you won't know anyway.

Definitely agree, U gotta realize that GOD doesnt solve your problems for u BUT gives u the ability to solve them on your own.

When u are down and out, u can lie down and take it, or u can get up and do something about it but ultimately the decision is up to u.

I was down so low I was reachin up for ground but I turned my life around and am now happier than I have ever been in my life, but it was all cause I stopped feelin sorry for myself and started doin something about it.


A wise person named SLC Punk told  me once that the moods u are in and how u feel are YOUR decision and u are ultimately responsible for your life either sucking, or being great.

He was definitely right about that.

if any of you think like this you are gonna go crazy straight to hell, WHY THE HELL WOULD THIS SHIT BE TRUE!!! its fuckin' crazy!!!!!

Theres documentary's  about life after death, or whatever the hell they reckon happens, honestly, ghost' n' spirits n' shit, what the hell does that shit tell ya, there is SOMETHIN' after death!!!

Just find your hobby, make the best of it and fuckin' well enjoy your life, i for one am not gonna be a prisona of society and live miserable for the rest of my life, no fuckin' way!!!  



...and if you think life sux or is boring, well its not, YOUR fucking boring!!

and you sux!!

Ah, ok...

I think you've been watching one too many Kirk Cameron straight to DVD movies.

Why would God create a person and then damn them to hell forever, if that person had questions?

oh my god dude :hihi:   that crazy straight to hell shit was me sayin' you gonna fuckin' go crazy man, the hell part was my fuckin' amusement  ::) ::) ::) ::)

i think you missed everythin' i said in between  :hihi:

Ok dude, you are gonna be nothin' but dust when you die, there is gonna be nothin' but blackness for eternity...have fun you moron!!!   ::)

wanna know what i think anyway, WE ARE IN HELL

think about it, we were sentenst to a planet where you can experience pain and tourcher, you may live a happy life or it could be disastrous, think about the worst possible thing that could happen to you!!

when were old and have been through the absolute worst, do you think weve sufferd enough?????

All of us are gonna go to heaven, 'cause weve already done enough time in hell.

IMO!!

I had a shitty day yesterday.

Then I found a pack of smokes, just when I was cursing when my ran out.

A sign?

The idea of an after life in any form scares me - the thought of an eternity of doing anything seems damn close to my idea od hell.

Is there a god? I don't know, nobody can tell.. But I believe there is one.

I haven't heard that viewpoint of it before. Actually makes a bit of sense!


A buddy of mine summed it up best one night at the pub when he said, "in life, do what you want, and you will have a good life, whatever is after is a bonus."

I think there is a life after death, everything we do in life we pay in life after we die, thats other history I hope is good one  : ok:
Sorry people Im a dreamer  :-\

I love when that happens dude :D

I was looking under the coach for $ to get smokes today, started doing my laundry and found half a pack.

Oh what a world...

If you find a pack of empty cigs, that's a sign...

Do you really want to be 40, with yellow teeth, and stincky hair and clothes?

Nope not in the least. Hopefully this life ends at 30, 35 tops and then its on to the next one :)

You know, people say "I hope I die before I get old," but if you were 25 and were told you had cancer, living to be 80 would look pretty good.

Your right, it probably would. But I personally wanna die at an age at least close to the margin of youth, with a fully operational body that is grey hair free.

Shit i hope to be 80 someday, As healthy as much as I work out, I plan on lookin good and getting around till the day I die.

If the day comes where I cant get out of bed and people have to change my diapers and stuff like that, then its time to go.

But I plan on stayin healthy and keepin a great body till the day I die.

Couldnt have said it better if I tried : ok:

I used to say that. But then I realized that life really started getting good at 30. Even better as I approach 35.

Should be balls to the wall awesome by the time I hit 40!

40 ain't nuthin' but a thang.........

Im within a hair of being 20 soon. Once your 20 I hear the big mysterious doors of life start opening and I hope thats true because despite the careless alcohol and drug binges of being an older teen, you find yourself wanting more and the perfect girl to appraoch the big 3-0 with and hopefully beyond.

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Im within a hair of being 20 soon. Once your 20 I hear the big mysterious doors of life start opening and I hope thats true because despite the careless alcohol and drug binges of being an older teen, you find yourself wanting more and the perfect girl to appraoch the big 3-0 with and hopefully beyond.

The difference between my wants and desires at that age and now seem like a universe away.

I can't tell you what mysteries will be solved, but I can tell you it only gets better. I can promise you that much.

Oooo i hope that's true, i was 20 a month ago, nothing much has changed yet though....

I'm hoping that the 30s are where its at.

Life doesn't suck at all. ?It's pretty amazing actually. ?

You do die, that I'll give you. ?

And as for God, well I am not religious in any way. ?But I believe that something created all of this. ?It had to, right? ?I mean how else could you possibly explain this world or universe. ?It has to be created by something IMO. ?If you hold that to be undeniable, then you believe in some sort of god. ?That makes me agnostic I guess. ?But using religion as a middle man to get to god is something I am dead set against. ?I just think its silly to congregate with a bunch of people to pray, or to give hard earned money to a corrupt church. ?I think it is silly to believe that whatever created all of this has control over things now that they are set in motion. ?

When you see some plane go down off Miami and 3 infants die, that seem pretty clear to me that god, however you define it, doesn't control things here on a minute level.

Organized religion is responsible for more deaths, more war, more hatred spread then anything else on this planet in the past or in the present. ?That include muslims as we see in the world today, and it include christian as has been the case for centuries, and as far as I know it included dozens of other belief systems. ?I really don't care for religion. ?It is misused too often.

Well, that "Why do not god help if he is so powerful" that most people use is pretty much bullshit.

Most of the Christians, at least here in sweden think that God created earth and humans and everything that exists but not that he control things here on a minute level like you said.

But does god help out in the world at all? Yes, I think he does that a lot.

Why did God let Nazi Germany, WWI, WWII, all wars and natural disasters take place?

Why doesn't God stop all the suffering?
The first point to note is that God is definitely powerful. In fact, he has all power. So don't let anyone tell you that God simply isn't able to stop the suffering in the world.

The second point to note is that when people ask this question, they usually include pain, suffering caused by people to other people, and all kinds of "natural" disasters. The whole works. That's the assumption we'll make here.

This begs the question: if God is able to stop suffering, does that mean he doesn't want to? Not at all. In fact, there will come a time when God puts a stop to all evil. Obviously, that time has not yet come. In that case, the even bigger question is this: Why hasn't God put a stop to suffering and evil yet? What is he waiting for?

And the answer: He's waiting for as long as possible, to give as many people as possible the opportunity to make their peace with him. To put it another way:

"God is not slow about his promise, as some count slowness, but is patient towards you, not wanting anyone to perish, but wanting everyone to come to repentance"

That's the bottom line. God could quite easily put an end to all suffering and evil now. Instead, he's waiting to give all of us an opportunity to respond to him. In any case, what if God decided to stop all evil at 5 pm today. How many people would be left living at 5.01 pm?

http://www.krbc.org.uk/ans-god-stop-suffering.html

Personally i think that's bullshit but it's an explanation for you.....

....if he is waiting then he'll be waiting a LONG time
 

Ah, I don't buy that at all. When people say, "you must accept Christ or go to hell," what about the billions of people in the world who are of another faith. If you are born in the middle-east, and are raised from birth to be a Muslin, and Christianity was the correct religion after all, how is it that persons fault? They were practicing the religion that they were born into. Just like if Islam (or any other religion) is the correct, true religion, all Christians are kinda screwed, aren't they?

that process has been thought by Epicure 300 years or so before Jesus.
his demonstration cancels the existence of an Allmighty / All-good? god - therefore most organized religions' god -

i think god, or whatever you want to call it. is just You and your ambition. it's what you stand fore. what you believe in. what you like and what you hate. that's it. that's why you live.


RicharchNixon > and what you r talking about was brought firs by Denis Diderot (my favorite) as " and what will God do to the ones who didnt hear about his son, will he punish deafs for not hearing ? " ....

if there is somthing after life. then it doesnt matter, cause you're not there yet, and death is not your goal. if y ou wanna kill yourself then you can worry about what's after .... until then ... live.


ps: i just spent 4 hours on adobe premiere for a new gnr video, i'm kinda sleepy :)

Ill hold you too that promise SLC ;)


Richard, I strongly recommend you read Conversations with God by Neil Walsh. This dude narrates god's scripture through his own hand and any question, and I mean ANY question you've had about faith or religion is in fact answered in a way you wouldnt believe. Ill post some excerpts if your interested.

Thanks, I'll look into it.

God: "My most common form of communication is through feeling. Feeling is the language of the soul. (p.3)

NDW: How can I know this communication is from God? How do I know this is not my own imagination?

God: What would be the difference? Do you not see that I could just as easily work through your imagination as anything else? (6)

God: You are always in the process of creating. Every moment . . . . Events, occurrences, happenings, conditions, circumstances ? all are created out of consciousness. Individual consciousness is powerful enough. You can imagine what kind of creative energy is unleashed whenever two or more are gathered in My name. And mass consciousness? Why, that is so powerful it can create events and circumstances of worldwide import and planetary consequences. (35)

EVOLUTION
The soul is very clear that its purpose is evolution. That is its sole purpose. . . (82)

The highest feeling is the experience of unity with All That Is. This is the great return to Truth for which the soul years. This is the feeling of perfect love. (83)

ORIGINAL SIN
This alleged state of imperfection in which you are said to come into this world is what your religionists have the gall to call original sin. . . Some of your religions have built up whole theologies around this misconception. . . Yet, in order to justify the idea of a punitive God, your religions needed to create something for me to be angry about.. . . Sop you?d better do something about all of this? or you?ll go straight to hell. This, in the end, may do nothing to mollify a weird, vindictive, angry God, but it does give life to weird, vindictive, angry religions. (119-120. See also 136)

Only humans are judgmental, and because you are, you assume that I must be. Yet I am not?. (183)

HIGHLY EVOLVED MASTERS
. . . a select few - will return with a different mission. You will return to density and matter for the soul purpose of bringing others out of density and matter. [The same message as in Betty Eadie?s Embraced by the Light] (184)

THOUGHTS
Nothing occurs in your life ? nothing ? which is not first a thought. Thoughts are like magnets, drawing effects to you. 188

It is very difficult to reverse the effects of negative thinking once they have taken physical form. (189)

RIGHT AND WRONG
NDW: Then the evolutionists are right!

God: I find it amusing? that you humans have such a need to break everything down into right and wrong. It never occurs to you that you?ve made those labels up to help you define the material ? and your Self. (194)

GOD & MAN
Now I?ll explain to you the ultimate mystery: your exact and true relationship to Me. YOU ARE MY BODY. As your body is to your mind and soul, so too, are you to My mind and soul. Therefore: Everything I experience I experience through you. (197)

I am God, as you know understand Him. I am Goddess as you now comprehend Her. I am the Conceiver and the Creator of Everything you now know and experience, and you are My children. . . even as I am the child of another. (197)

God is the energy you call imagination. God is creation. God is first thought. And God is last experience. And God is everything in between. (198)

REINCARNATION
NDW: Is there such a thing as reincarnation?

God: You have had 647 past lives, since you insist on being exact. This is your 648th. You were everything in them. A king, a queen, a serf?. No, there is not such thing as karmic debt ? not in the sense that you mean? You are not obligated to do anything. (204)

PSYCHIC POWER
Using psychic ability is nothing more than using your sixth sense. Obviously, this is not "trafficking with the devil," or I would not have given this sense to you. And, of course, there is no devil with whom to traffic. (205)

SEX
NDW: Is sex okay?

God: Of course sex is "okay." ? Play with sex. Play with it! It?s wonderful fun. (205)

Sex is sacred, too? But joy and sacredness do mix (they are in fact the same thing)? You have repressed sex, even as you have repressed life, rather than fully Self expressing with abandon and joy. You have shamed sex, even as you have shamed life, calling it evil and wicked, rather than the highest gift and the greatest pleasure. 207

The energy that which underscores sex is the energy which underscores life? 207

Call on Me, therefore, wherever and whenever you are separate from the peace that I am. I will be there. With truth. And Light. And love. (211)

There is definitely a God. Just look around you. Look up in the sky, at all the stars. Look around at all the life this planet has, and the nothingness of the rest of the solar system's planets. If the Earth was just a little closer or a little further from the sun, life would never have existed. Do you really think that happened by chance? :confused:

my opinion:

I think the reason God doesn't come down to stop trouble is because if he did , we would feel so vulnerable. I believe he wants his earth people to feel strong and be courageous. He did give us brains, but its us that has to make the right choices. I'm not afraid to admit I have a strong belief in God and afterlife.

It's a great book.

Edit: and after reading those passages above I now remember how much I liked it. Very thought provoking.

But the universe is far from perfect. A lot of fuctions and things make no sense and serve no purpose.

Who said it has to be perfect? Who said it all has to make sense? Life is a beautiful thing, and people need to realize it wasn't created in a one in a trillion accident.

So there is something instead of nothing, so what?

There could easily be nothing instead of something, and that would make just as much sense.

Someday we will die, and in the end, be forgotten. Even if you wrote a great masterpiece that lives on for thosands of years after your death, one day the whole universe will expand and colapse and all traces will be forgotten. Life is absurd. People are no different than ants in the sceme of things. Just a whole lot of running around, keeping busy, to no end, and for reason...

Do you really feel like your life is that trivial?

We do make a difference in our own lives and in others. It's not for nothing. Think of the doctors that came up with the vaccine for polio and other diseases. Because of them people are healthy and safe from those infections. Think of other profound circumstances that effect us today.

Life doesnt suck. Just remember to smile more.  ;)

Yes, and the world is grateful, I am grateful. But in the long view, in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter. We are all like figments in a dream, and when that person wakes up, all traces are lost. A billion years from now, who cares what happened in 2005? No matter what good we do, what's the point? It will all be erased someday. Someday when the universe expands and is no more, what will anything have mattered?

You are right, it wont really matter what happens tomorrow, or what happened 200 years ago, it all will fade away.

And trying to prove there is god is the hardest thing to do, but you have to feel it and believe in there is gonna be a better tomorrow and that there is gonna be life after this illusion called world.    If you dont feel that way, the only thing you can expect about your life is death, and that is pretty sad.

Here are new questions:

Is life worth living? Do the high points and joys of life outweight the suffering?
Is life better because there is suffereing? Would a life without suffering have any point/meaning?
Does life have to have meaning?

Nobody knows what the universe will be like in a billion years. So I can't answer that kind of question. But just because you won't be alive a billion years from now, doesn't mean your life was worth nothing. You are an individual, unlike anyone else, and that's important and profound. The life you live now is all you have and you shouldn't trivialize it.

But if there is no God, no point, than what's so great about being unique? Say I had never been born, what differerence would that make? The world would still spin, there would still be 365 days a year, so who gives a God Damn?

I'm not always this negative. But I try to play devils advocate...If someone else is very negative, I'll try to blow sunshine up their ass.

Why dont we all just kill ourselves since the Sun is going to die in 5 billion years. Since nothing matters, lets just end it now before the Sun ends it for us! :confused:

But you were born. There's a reason and purpose for you. We're all connected in life somehow or another.

If you don't believe in God, then that's your way, but you should at least believe in yourself and the people you share your life with.

Because then I wouldn't be able to jack-off and watch Family Guy anymore.

Says who. There is no proof, or even a shred of evidence to support that.

just eat a bullet n' shut up, your makin' me depressed!!  :confused:   n' your bein' stupid,  mate!!  >:(

Maybe you missed one of my posts. I?m ambivalent about the meaning of life. I can see both sides of the coin?so my negative posts are to play devils advocate to people that offer a positive perspective. When someone posted that they wanted to die young, I argued that if you were 25 and found out you had cancer, 80 would look pretty good. So whatever POV someone has, I want to offer a counterpoint.

Dont forget to smile :D again.

Good questions, although I'm afraid most people are missing your point(s).

Keep them coming.........

I don't think I'm missing his point. He's saying life is pointless and nothing matters. Or I'm reading it wrong?

I'm not a very religious man.

I do believe that something godlike put all of this in motion at some point. I don't believe most of what the bible says. There are good messages in that, and it's a really nice book, but some of the stuff out there is just dumb. But that's just me. I don't know if he had a big plan for everything to go like this, but I do think that for us to think that all of this is _just_ for us - humans - is pretty fucking selfish. That god portrayed man as his selfimage.. Come on...

The thing with "why won't god stop all the suffering"... Well. Why would he? I don't believe that he interferes with the universe. Not anymore at least. And all the acts of god that we see, or that the world has seen (there's lots in the bible) have now, or will be in the future (most propably) explained with science. I don't know how some people still believe in creationalism.

All, except for 1. The fact remains that the laws of physics say that amount of energy is a constant within a system. Now this would mean that either a) god put all the energy in this system that is the origin of the big bang or b) this universe is a part of a bigger system, which this universe is just a fraction of. If we look at b) then there's another problem. We don't know how that system works. If any of the laws of physics work there that we have here. What if that system has an endless source of energy... or is a part of another, even a bigger system... But even so. It does bring up a very good question.. or a though. Where did it _all_ start? In the beginning... there had to be something. And I, with my small and not that bright brain, am quite happy to just let myself think that it is some sort of godlike creature. And it is pretty interesting to play with the idea that if there was a 'plan', then it would sort of make sense why all the religions in the beginning have very similar ideas about the origin of all this.. In many stories about the beginning of the world, there's an egg of somekind, out of which everything came from. And this is not very far from the concept of a big bang that we have at the moment. I think it's pretty interesting. How did the different religions, some of which were born (if my memory serves me correct) apart from each other, have so similar thoughts about the beginning. Was there something bigger guiding them?

About afterlife. Well. I do think that it's a really interesting idea. You die, you get to go to heaven or hell, depending if you've been naughty or nice. And there you'll spend all eternity. I like to play with the idea that there is an afterlife. I'm not sure that there is one.. No one is. Well, you can be sure, but you can't know for sure. But I also can't help but to think that all religions have been started just to control people... And at the beginning it must have been to keep people organized and more productive. At some point, as we've seen, it has turned sour. But I do like the idea of an afterlife. Although it is not the ultimate force that is driving me to make the decisions I make.

But is there a God and an Afterlife...? Well... why not?

if there were no negative experiences on earth, we would all take the good stuff for granted. and there would be no reason to want to be in heaven.

also, the belief in god effects many people in this world. that belief is extremely powerful. it's essentially a god in and of itself.

i'm sort of playing devil's advocate here, cause i'm not religious, and i don't believe in an afterlife. but i wish i did. i have alot of respect for people who believe cause i think it's difficult. and whether there is a god or not, many people i know get alot out of their faith, and their life is better for it.

being an atheist is the easy way out....

"i can't see it, there's no proof, so i don't believe. i'm a good person and if there is a god, he will forgive me. afterall, he created the mind i use."

i've said this many times, but i'm not proud of it. and i do admit that i could easily be wrong.

but i love life. even though at times it feels like hell, there's so much good stuff going on all the time. you just have to make a conscious effort to notice it and appreciate it.

so you think just because you aren`t able to explain what`s goin on around you there has to be a god? to your question: yes i think it happened by chance. well,  there might be a god, but it depends on the definition. i don`t think there`s a god like how the christians or any other religions see him. i think god is just all that?s existing....   

people couldn`t explain the things that were going on and so they hold god responsible for it. it`s the same today. it?s just the difference that we aren`t asking for the reasons of thunderstorms anymore, but for our origin and our world?s/universum`s origin.

imo religions are just a way to fight against the fear of being senseless and that we are going to die sometime and there`s no afterlife. i think jesus was just a crazy guy and perhaps mentally ill (no offense people). 2000 years ago there were lots of so called prophets around who just wanted to profite of the credulity of the people. these people aren?t very succesful today by the way....(except some leaders of sects....)  what i want so say is that religions aren`t the right way to get to know god, if he?s actually existing...  but religions are very useful, because most people need something to belive in...and would go nuts otherwise...

but if you aren`t actually a religious kind of guy you have to face the negative sites like wars and stuff, too. which are just senseless in that case.

there`s a lot going on we can`t understand and won?t ever understand, but that doesn`t mean there`s a god existing.... unless you call the things you can?t understand god... and there?s all this shit based on...


another question:   why did god create the universe and the humans??   did he want to play god?   and if you?re christian: why does god want you to love him?? did he create you to love him, because he was lonely??

our problem is that we can`t imagine what?s going on nor do we know what?s going on... and we are eager to get to know it : ok:

 :peace:  i didn?t have any weed for a while.....

PS:  did you ever think about the possibility that there might be something outside of our perception?

Why people ask god something like why god let this happen, or why God didn't do anthing about this, the thing is that we expect something for someone who we dont even respect and expect HIM/SHE to do something? thats kinda selfish!! wait it is selfish, if people dont want to anything bad happen start to make concsious of how we can change the world for the best, and stop asking or making question of why this or why that.
Havent found God? - dont search for him/her, dont ask for him/her, just live your life at best
belive and trus in god? - do what is best for you and others, no rewards whatsoever.

Yes. There are an virtually an infinite number of stars in an almost infinite number of galaxies - simple numbers tell u no matter how far fetched the odds of something if u have that many stars ur going to get lucky - there will be billions of other planets the right ditance from the sun too.

Even if the chance of life occuring was 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 - would still mean there were billions of other inhabited planets - free your mind, the universe is vast

I think its beyond thought provoking dude, seemingly any question I had about God or anything at all was answered within those books. It was almost like as you were subconciously asking youself these questions, the answers would systematically appear on the pages.

I used to be a hardcore atheist, but after taking political sciences, and philosophy I realized I needed to revisit my beliefs and research "God" much further before I wrote him off as a myth. I thank my ex-girlfriend for buying me those books..its the gift that keeps on giving.


I absolutely agree with what Journey said. You cant be so damn pessimistic about how you got here or why RichardNixon, you just have to establish within yourself you have been put on the Earth among the rest of us for a purpose, a purpose which lingers within yourself, its just a matter of having the determination to fullfill your life to the best of your abilities. Sure in a billion years, nobody will probably remember a damn thing about us, or 2005 but how does that effect you in the least? Do you intend on living another billion years, because if so, send me a postcard :D

Your entirely right though, our actions and doings probably wont matter in the grander scheme of things but they do matter to both you and the loved ones around you. You only get one life and you better believe it has a timer on it that can expire and fuckin' second, so make the most of life while you still can. I think everyone has the same generalized purpose: to succeed in every field there is to succeed in this game of life, but most of all, help your fellow humans whether the burden be big or small. If you give back to the world in which you live in, God will give something back to you..maybe its just a hunch but I think you should trust me on that one.

Life is what you make of it. And depending how good of a person you are or how much of a scumbag you are will determine what happens to you after you die. Generally I think most of the main religions point to a single supreme being, God. People just have different worshipping styles, whether it be the christians, jews or muslims, I think we all pray to the same God. Depends how demented the fundamentalists have altered god's true intentions to suit themselves ( ex. Pat Robertson, Jerry Fallwell, Osama bin Laden, etc)

Dont forget Bush :D

Not gonna go there......

...........................................look out for Jarmo, he'll ban your ass if you bring up politics.

"I want to live until I die. No more, no less." ?;D

Guess the quote?

Oh, wait. Serious. Sorry.

Err...

Read Life of Pi?

But you forgot it from your list man :D

Ill quote Eddie Vedder

I know I was born and I know I will die, The in Between is Mine.....

I understand about seeing both sides of the coin. I've questioned the meaning of life and God a lot in my life. And the longer I live, the less I understand. I'm scared about what happens to us when we die, because I couldn't imagine living anywhere else but in this world. But I do feel like I have a great life, it's not perfect by any means, but I love it and I love the people in my life. And I feel like that's enough to know for right now.

The unfortunate thing is that it seems people by nature always want more, and more. No matter how good they have it, they're always lacking something inside themselves that they cant fill :-\

IF we go quoting I'll say:

"Who wants to live forever?, who dares to love forever?, when love must die"
 :'(

To quote Jon Bon Jovi

"I dont wanna live forever, just until the day i die."

Just because your heart's still beating that dont mean that your alive

Dont wanna live forever, nobody lives forever just wanna live until I die.


advice to live by.

Salvador Dal? has some interesting quotes about death.

You know any of them?

Dali: 1.- There are some days when I think I'm going to die from an overdose of satisfaction.
2.- The desire to survive and the fear of death are artistic sentiments.
There is also an interesting Salvadors quote, that I couldnt find the acurate words to write it but its something like " Salvador Dal? no le teme a la muerte, pero a la vez si le teme, porque soy un hombre paradojico y contradictorio."

My Two Cents

Life Sucks
...only if you let it...a lot of people give away their power to external things, people, etc...fact of the matter is, some folks are not comfortable with themselves so they tend to say stuff like, if I only had this, or that then I would be happy...you'll never be happy 'cause once you get it, it'll just be something else...

Then u Die
...(as in you loose your suit of skin, yes...as in you have no soul, and just become worm food, no) I think there is another level of existence

and is there a God? yes

....and just FYI: I love the fact that the poster above brought up Dali, one of my favorites...here's another quote that I think someone ought to stitch on a throw pillow and give to Axl this year.... :hihi:

Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it.
Salvador Dali

http://www.lyricsbox.com/hillsong-united-lyrics-free-641xtt2.html


Life doesnt suck, it's your choice if you want it to or not.  We all have a purpose and destiny that is more greater than we could ever ask for, that is availble to us, it's our choice to take it.  It's the reason why Jesus died for us, to bring us life to a world/emotion of death.  To bring life to every dead area in our life, not just eternal life, so that we can live life and live it not good- not average- but great. 

There is a God, who is prepared to give you anything available under the sun that you desire, of one cost- to love Him.

I reject the "life only sucks if you make it suck" argument. What if you were born with a severe handicap, or went to a concentration camp, or couldn't move from the neck down. While people need to find something that will bring them happiness, external factors play a huge roll.

Also, the idea that Christ died for our sins just doesn't do it for me. While I of course respect the views of others, I am not satisfied by the Christian doctrine. I want to know WHY we are here? what for? Just having faith in a historical person and blindly accepting them as my person savior seems irrational and simplistic.

And plenty of people who believe in God ask for a lot of things that don't come true.

At times, life can suck, Im not saying that we dont go through hard times, like you listed for example- going through a concentration camp or being handicap, everyone gets thrown into situations that arent where they should be or where they want to be and unfortunately some last longer and harder than others, but being an optomist isnt pretending that everything is perfect and great when everything around you is a mess, it means that you recognize and see the bad but you realize that you have more working for you than against you.  If you are born into handicap, or bad sitations, I believe in total healing of medical or any situation, I have witnessed it and I have experienced it, but it's your choice to connect with the belief that it's possible.  That even when bad things are around, that you know that you have a better tomorrow, and that you were meant to be an overcommer not a victim.

As far as having faith in a historical figure, it's totally the opposite.  It's about connecting with a living breathing Savior who is and will be alive in your present life.  We are here because it was by the gift of God we have life, our purpose is to live in greatness and to live lives that we dream of and that we desire, to God's perfect will, all which will be when we live for Him.  Everything in life is a choice, it's fair that way, so that you have total free will and free choice to do what you want, but I think the results of our life are made evident in our choices.  You sow into Him, and you reap His blessings, you sow into the world and reap whatever that has to offer- not because God delt you bad or wanted that to happen, but it's because you turned yourself to the world and gave your control there.  My life sucked, I had nothing, but the moment I gave it to Jesus and connected with Him in this plan for my life, I now have purpose, I now have a destiny, which I now know was there all along- it is just now made shown to me because I chose to connect with it.  We are all predestined with a purpose, even in your mothers womb He fashioned everything about you to prepare you for what He has for you whether you believe that or not, but it's up to you to get it, it's there- you just have to activate it.  Yeah I am still going through hard times, and trials, but Im in total peace and confidence in my tomorrow and that God has more prepared for me than my mind can concieve.

Plenty of people ask for things from God, and dont have faith it will happen, or give up in the belief it will happen before the race is over.  You have to believe with faith even when you dont see the results, that's when true test of faith and belief come in.  You have to believe that His promises are Yes and Amen, and not be quick to changing your mind because the figure doesnt lay in your hands, you have to know that when you ask and believe, you recieve, if you question it and say "oh I havent seen it happen yet, He must not want me to have it" then it shows ignorance in knowing the word and shows lack of faith, because when you ask in His name, it will happen, and you just have to fully believe it is already layed in your future.  I have been believing something for 3 years now, and havent see it, but I have the vision and the beliefe and i will see it even if I have to wait 50 years, in Gods perfect timing it will happen, I cant quit before tomorrow because who knows when it will be brought.  There are tons of things I begged God for, and it didnt happen, but now as the years rolled by, I thank God He didnt give me those things because it is something that I now see wasnt right or meant for my life and it would have actually set me away from the things He has planned better for me.  You just gotta have trust.

I didnt mean to write all that, cause I know someone will respond with an opposing view, but I didnt mean for that.  But I understand your view, half of what you said- I used to think the same exact things.

As a said before asking why is nothing that will satisfaied you needs or even worst make you happy at all, what if the answer of the why? is as simple as gravity?, that I asure you will never make you happy.

On the other hand weather you are christian, evangelic, satanic whatever your choice to believe in, the primary thing to be happy in life is to make others happy, wheter the other person is handycap, cant move from the neck etc.

Don't ever become a step parent, because your step-daughter will turn into a Queen Bitch when she turns 13 and hate you for trying to help her and make her  life better, as you pay out $12,000 a year for private school and cater  to her  every fucking whim. Yes, life is a bitch, and I would love to die so I never  have  to deal with her or see the ass-bitch ever again in my life. Oh, and she expects me to pay for her college and  buy her a  car at 16. She does not even look at me or say hello. Today, Christmas, it was  too much to bring herself to say Merry Christmas or say thank  you for the presents. Fucking bitch.

Buck up Never say die man...  Youll get over it  : ok:

She will understand one day, just be patience

Yes, usually when people grow up, understand the crap they did in the past, to friends or members of their family and sometimes apologize or feel embarrased.

She's not an adult, so therefore she doesn't think or behave like one. 13 is a hard age for girls. Whatever you do, don't call her a bitch to her face. That would be abusive.

Ok, she's 13.  I dont think Ive ever met a 13 year old who isnt a bitch, or doesnt have bitchy moments, that's just how it is, you are learning at that age and being more social awareness and trying to develope into a person, they dont think with the same brain functioning as an adult, 13 years of life is nothing compared to say 30 or 40 or 50 when only  two of those 13 years are they socially becoming aware, there is still much they are still develping action and reaction.  I know when I was a teen, I would do mean things, and then afterward- and even sometimes during, I would be thinking "why am I doing this" and would want to stop what I would be saying or doing- but didnt have enough guts to appologize or make it look like I knew what i was doing was wrong, I wouldnt hurt my pride or ego by stopping or appologizing, and as a kid what do you do- but only repeat and dont learn yet.  When you talk bad about someone, with your words you are framing that world, sentencing them to never change.  Bad talking makes it impossible for someone to change, whether they hear it or not. Honestly, know the power of your words, mental words.  Wrong mindset will actually punish us and bring in certain lifestyles that we didnt want, we need to except the role of our thoughts and actions, because it's not just what is happening to you- it's how you handle the situation.   There is life and death in words, so be extremely aware which one you are giving to a child.

If she knows you feel this way about her, why in hell would she wish you a merry Christmas? 

Be patient.   :yes:

hey Rocket Queen, all this spiritual an Christian talk from someone with a naked pic of Axl as their avater??   :hihi:


hey Krispy Kreme,
dont worry too much bout it....  13 is when most chickys start their period witch WILL make her a toatal bitch, when she gets more used to that she might change.....
not only that but some teens are real mature and some are still like kids, dont take it personally  :P
but..you might wanna tell her whatcha think (in a slightly calmer way)  caus when ya needa vent summ like that, if ya dont it could come out in a more destructive way
and if she knew and liked her other dad y'know she doesnt like the idea of him bein replaced.. (an all that shit)

and back to topic..

I believe in God..  i believe in heaven, but also i strongly beleive live for the day.. try to make it good, you have one life, live it, dont waste it away worring about petty things

I hear your anger I really do.

But don't think that your biological daughter wouldn't treat you the same way.

Being a parent is hard. Being a step parent is even harder. If I had the choice to do it again, I do not know if I would chose it. That is about as honest as I can get.

But remember, no matter how much it sucks, being a parent is a thankless job. Be it bioloigical or step parent. I always tell my kids "You'll thank me when you're 30." haha. Maybe they will and maybe the won't.

Again, I think it is harder when a step child treats you like crap. You think about how much you changed your life for them, money, time, emotionally draining time you have given them for years. They will never think of your feelings because they are not able to at that age.But also, like I said, your own kid could treat you like shit. And to me, that could even be worse then a step child doing the same thing. It might hurt you more.

I am quick to take something away if the kids cry about whatever. I bust my ass to give them a good life. But there is no complaining allowed in my house. If the child is not grateful (that is: complains) the child will be stripped down to needs only for a few days. That usually snaps them back real quick. Tivo, radio, steak dinners, skiing, whatever...is a luxury. Complain about your life and it goes bye bye.

The hardest thing is if the other parent doesn't agree with your method of parenting. Also your step daughter could resent you because you ARE ABLE to give her more then her father. If she realizes it or not she could be angry at you because you are 1) Not her Dad and 2) Able to provide more to her then her biological dad.

Haha well actually, you have no idea why that's on there.  And, I think it's an extremely beautiful picture, I as a christian can say that.  People have this misconception of where they draw the lines of what is good and evil, getting caught up in techincal religious rules of can not and dont do's, and banner evil across things that really arent a big deal.  And Im not gonna get into a huge reason on why things like that shouldnt distort the depth of one's christianity.

 :)

I agree with you, for some odd reason people think that christians can't party, can't drink, can't do anything, man that would be boring.
And if you do that kinda things people say you are a liar to your beliefs, woa thats hilarious.

In a sense that's completely true.  Because as a christian, as all people, we have free will.  I can still be a christian and sin, God knows that, and He meets you where you are at.  But the reason why most Christians dont go out and party and sin and what not, is because those are things of the world not God, and when you do things of the world the you reap what that brings, and God cant bless the areas what is of the world, and that is usualy when people blame God for bad things, but it's because He cant bless what isnt His own, but at the same time He can turn good out of bad.  People look at christians as weak boring people, but I still have tons of fun and I can ask just as crazy as a drunk person- but sober, I go to the limits that I want to, I go as far as I want to, to keep me in the personal position I know I need to be in so I can get taken to my destiny.  By His mercy I can sin and be forgiven, even when I make the choice to.  People look at christians as people who have to live perfect and are hypocrits if they dont, but actually it's not being hypocritical because the Word says that God isnt looking for perfect people- just those who are hungry for Him.  I still sin, Im only human, but there's a difference between living in sin and struggling with sin.  I choose to try to keep it out of my life because I want to experience God's perfect will by living for things of Him, even though I still sin- I dont settle with it and I dont except it- I push for more and better things, and by living in sin it keeps my mind on the world and life is so much better when I keep my mind on Him and do it His way- there is substance behind it.  The Bible isnt a book on "you cant do this and you cant do that" in order to be a Christian, the reason why God says not to do certain things is because those certain things belong to the world not Him, and He knows that what is not of His He cant bless, and all He wants to do is bless us.

Every Day Is Exactly The Same-NIN

I believe I can see the future
As I repeat the same routine
I think I used to have a purpose
But then again
That might have been a dream
I think I used to have a voice
Now i never make a sound
I just do what I've been told
I really don't want them to come around again

Oh, no

[Chorus]
Everyday is exactly the same
Everyday is exactly the same
There is no love here and there is no pain
Everyday is exactly the same

I can feel thier eyes are watching
In case I loose myself again
Sometimes I think I'm happy here
Sometimes, yet I still pretend
I can't remember how this got started
But I can tell you exactly how it will end

[Chorus]

I'm writing on a little piece of paper
I'm hoping someday you might find
I'll hide it behind something
They won't look behind
I am still inside here
A little bit comes bleeding through
I wish this could have been any other way
But I just don't know- I don't know what else I can do!

[Chorus]
Everyday is exactly the same
Everyday is exactly the same
There is no love here and there is no pain
Everyday is exactly the same

Richard,
   I find it offensive and hypocritical that you start a thread inquiring about the nature/existance of God and then when someone else starts a thread with their version of God and whether Axl follows it, you become upset and get the topic closed.  Am I the only one who's seeing a double standard here?

No. The other thread was asking if Axl was "saved," with the implication that there are those that are saved, and those that are not saved, meaning that if you do not accept Jesus, yada yada yada, you go to hell. This topic here is asking whether or not there is a God. The premise in each thread is different. Also, I should add I am just a standard member and can't get topics closed. I didn't ask for the other topic to be closed, nor do I think it should have been closed. I found the premise to be offensive, but I thought it should be open for debate. I would have liked to have been proven wrong, or proved someone else to be wrong.

hey, i was jokin, i said before you should have a good time in life, i believe the weather your a Christian or not..? an i do believe in God/Jesus? ?;)

im not gunna say anyone is a hypocrite for havin a good time/party whatever
it just seemed a lil odd, all that Christian talk, and to look over an see a naked pic..? :)

I know that's why after I wrote all that, I put in a post under it with a smiley face, so you didnt think that I was mad or offended or tryin to be mean.   :)  But I can understand why you said that, but I can assure you that I have a reason why it's on there, and I dont expect people to understand things with out reason so it's all good  :)

Hmm.... well I personally love the naked Axl pic? ?:love:? Wonder if I could have it in a poster...? ?;)