Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I remember that a few years ago many on this board would say "When CD comes out it's going to rock the planet!!!" and that it's going to be the best album ever.? As tracks have been leaked out I hear much less optimism: some people have posted that "it'll be at least as good as the worst half of UYI... which is still awesome."?

What happened to that optimism?? (Is it still there?? Have people decided to "be realistic"?? Or is the material just not good enough to imply that the album will be 'earth-shattering'?)

Have your opinions changed?? (How do you think the album will be after hearing the demos?)

__kai__

Well... I guess people realized how incredibly hard it would be for a hard rock/metal group to succed in the mainstream.

to me it's simple enough saying how many people make comebacks and rule the world again... I jus tthink cd will be a well rounded album with a variety for the fans but not something that is going to change the face of music..

It would be hard for a hard rock group to change popular music trends.... ?but regardless...
As a group starts they tend to have lots of 'hooks' to get people's attention, like Appetite for Destuction had.

Later on, groups get more artistic because they don't have to worry about the record company's influence as much. ?This happened for GN'R even in the UYI's and based on the recent demos it seems even moreso. ?

Groups that don't go for those hooks don't make comebacks like aerosmith. ?
After hearing the demos... my impression is that although I may love it, the general public won't.

I am just hoping we get it. :) ?I think it will be extremely criticized due to how long it took to come out. ? I agree..I love it but I don't think the general public will.

Dude, I don't know what you've been reading, but the stuff I've seen, people have been VERY happy and optimistic about the new stuff. ?

I don't know about you people, but hearing the new stuff has made me realize that it was always Axl that I liked the most about that band. ?For the longest, I thought Slash was the main reason (he was great by the way), but after the Velvet Revolver debut, I didn't even buy it. ?I got to listen to it when VH1 had the "you hear it first" thing, and I was not impressed.

Point is, the new shit is awesome, and if they release it at 4 o'clock in the morning on a Monday, I would be in line to buy it. ?So, I really don't see where you think the lack of enthusiasm comes from.

For us yes, we love the songs...but if you read what other people are saying about the leaks...they are extremely critical. 

None of these leaked songs come close to Slither or Fall to Pieces... Hell I even think Dirty Little Thing and Sucker Train Blues beat all of them except for IRS...
But whatever, To each his own.

I think that in terms of sales though... "Guns N' Roses" will sell way more albums than "Velvet Revolver." 
It's kindof sad though... of course we all have the best hopes for GNR but realistically it doesn't seem the masses will love it like the fans will.

We'll get our personal victory when it comes out... but it's always fun to have everyone else join in on something you think is awesome.... and to say "I told you so."

That has to be a fucking joke. You are either closed minded, or have no taste to make such a statement. Or you are just really young and dont really get the mature lyrics that Axl writes.

Yikes. ?I won't comment on the VR comparison. ?I think if it ever comes out Axl will get very good critical reviews for the album. ?What people are saying now, you have to take with a grain of salt considering who he is and the hoopla around his long absence. ?

From what I've heard, he's definitely on the right track, and time will be kind to Chinese Democracy. ?VR? ?Not so much.

That's a good point.  I mentioned he's getting more artsy and usually time is better to art than VR's experiments.  The only advantage about VR is that as opposed to axl's GN'R, VR is a new band.    As a new band, they can have a few chances at making kick ass albums.  Axl really one has one shot to make it or break it.

Actually really could careless about the Lyrics aslong as they have some depth. Melody is the most important thing for a singer and Axl did an awsome job with IRS but really fucked up with TWAT's chorus and Catcher In The Rye is to boring for me... Better is good but I have yet to hear the whole version so I won't make a judgement on that yet.

I can GARUNTEE if it we're Guns who released Slither and VR who released the Leaks that you'd be saying the exact same thing as me. Your more close minded based on that seeing how you care more about a name then the music.

Ok, what ever :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

I think it's better than UYI from what we've heard so far. Can't really compare it to AFD as they're too different.

Maybe if you cover your ears during the TWAT chorus  ;)

You've Got To Be Kidding!!!!
Did I miss something!?

One major factor here folks................. Age demographic.

All of you younger Guns fans are probably scratchin' your head to some of the new stuff. ?On the other hand, I would be willing to bet that the older Guns fans are very excited about the style Axl is throwin out these days. ?

Another thing............ For those who thought it was gonna be another AFD, you were kidding yourself. ?Axl is over 40 now, and he would like like a total fool trying to act like he was when he was in his 20's. ?Give him a break people. ?Alot of things have changed since the heroin using, alcohol abusing, dope smoking wild days that were back in the late 80's. ?He's grown up, and more mellow now. ?What did you really expect?

These songs are just fine, and CD will be a huge success!!!! ?Bank on it.

What a bullshit response. Most of the people here are honest, and open minded enough to like something regardless of the name attached to the music, the exception being a few Axl lovers and a shitload of VR freaks. Dont bother responding or quoting this post. I'm not responding to your shit anymore.

Your just wrong.  I love all the old members, but imo,  Better blows the shit out of Slither.  And if anything, I think the vocals were the worst on I.R.S (even though I still liked them)  The vocal melodies on the rest of the leaks are insanely good compared to I.R.S

 My expectations have gone way down people.  To be completely honest, after hearing these leaks, excluding IRS, I'm not even really dying to hear the whole thing anymore.  I feel this 'new direction' Axl is trying to take is quite depressing and alienating his fan base.  We'll  have to see though, I hope I'm wrong!

I still have faith

From what I can tell the majority of people here (with higher than double digit post counts) are excited about the new songs.

I listened to the songs with a very critical ear, and I am a music snob, and I have to say after listening to them I don't even want to listen to the old Guns songs anymore. The new ones are incredible. I do want to hear some harder songs though.

As for the music critics: Nothing will ever live up to 10 years of anticipation.

Alienating the fan base? ?HTGTH is a pretty large chunck of new Gn'r database and I think are pretty much representative of Gn'rs fan base as a whole and from what I have been hearing it's pretty much a 90/10 split in favor of the new shit. ? Not to mention that alot of notorious Axl bashers have even said that they really like the new shit. ?Something else you need to consider when forming your expectations is that we have no clue if these are even the cream of the crop. ?The song that you mentioned liking is supposedly not even among the top 10 songs according to Merck. ?And if after hearing four demos you have already concluded that you don't want to hear the album anymore, chances are that you are not that big of a fan of GN'R to begin with. ?

'Rocking the planet' was obvious hyperbole. So people have become more realistic.

i'm pretty sure i won't be disappointed by CD. i know that axl is a genious and i trust him in giving us the best music he can. i can only repeat myself in saying that this record is going to be a fucking masterpiece. no words can describe how much i want this album.

if axl wrote "fall to pieces", some people on these boards would be calling it the greatest song ever.

i like the leaked songs, but my expectations have dropped significantly.

still waiting to hear something even close to the level of AFD.....

"where's izzy?"

he's in slash's ass

Fall to pieces? Its a good song but nothing special. I dig it coming from VR but if Axl made that song I'd hate it. That's why its not a good idea to compare two very different singer/songwriters.

I do have a suggestion: Go listen to AFD again and... You'll be listening to AFD again.

THANK YOU!!!
You see I'm not the only one who thinks that.

Axl is trying to be to much like fucking Mozart.
When I listen to someone claiming to be Guns I wanna fucking get pumped and just rock out. Not be put to sleep by a 9 minute orchastrel masterpiece.

IRS is the only one out of all of those that I turely like... TWAT would be good to if it weren't for it's awful chorus.

well then guns is definetely the wrong band for you, cause you must have missed the uyi albums.

I don't understand what's so funny about this. You guys need to realize that aside from this board and MYGNR and the other hardcore GNR fansites, the demos haven't really gotten a good reception. Most radio stations joked about how horrible IRS was and I remember a DJ on the Los Angeles station reading all the hatemail on the air and saying something like, "We only played it because it's GNR, but we're not playing it anymore"

Now on the other hand, VR scored two #1 hits on the rock charts, and was able to bridge a gap between 80's rock fans and modern rock fans, and gained tons of new fans onto the already loyal fans that they kept.

Axl might be a better songwriter than Scott Weiland, but that doesn't necessarily mean the music is going to be better.

The people that are bashing the songs ? are those metal heads ?that hated Axl in his prime. ?Those people will never change their minds. ?I have been to several message boards including ?(U2, Metallica, ?metal sludge etc) ?and it has been positive. the U2 fans were raving about it ?and can't wait for axl to return. ?The metallica board was 75% favorable ?that was a shock to me ? i thought they would be vicious. ? In visiting many message boards ?there have been alot of " I listened to these songs ready to bash them ?but i was utterly surprised" ? " I can't believe I am saying this ?but these are pretty good" ? " I've been bashing this album ?for yrs ?but the songs aren't that bad ?maybe Axl will prove me wrong" ? " I wasn't going to spend my money on this album ?but after listening to the leaks ?I think I'm going to buy it ". ? There are alot of people that are interested in this album , it's up to Axl to make sure this record doesn't suck. ? Axl is the most hated rock star in the world ?but he is also one of the most loved. ?Axl is a magnificent rockstar ?there are always going to be people that are jealous. ?

I hope you weren't reffering to me on that.
Because I love Axl in the 87-93 era... He just went a little nuts and decided that he's the second coming of Chopin and needs to turn every song into a 7 minute epic.

remember, these songs are DEMOS. They are not mixed perfectly & some songs may be a little different than what we are hearing in their final versions.

then don't listen to it :rofl:

Personally I'm still very optimistic about the new material. I love it all with the slight exception of IRS... which just doesn't grab me. BUT i still hope axl has those 'big guns' he talked about because everything i've heard thus far is on par with stuff like estranged, coma, civil war... but with a great modern element. I still have great hope in the potential but thus far he hasn't earned to retake his throne in rock n roll legacy. But he could...

Ok Slash,Duff, Izzy, Steven, and everyone else that used to be in GNR........... would you guys please quit posting under fake names and creating threads about how bad the record might be!! :peace:

The new Guns is gonna kick the shit out of anything VR done, and that's all there is to it. : ok:

To be honest I think the demos we've heard so far are better than most of the Illusions. With the exception's of Coma, NR, Estranged, The Garden, YCBM, and Don't Cry I think the new material I like the new material better than any of the other songs.

I truely hope so... I'm a Guns fan first so anything with the name Guns N' Roses (whether it should be there or not) I'll support.
Plus if Axl + friends hae success maybe Slash and co will get jealous and want a reunion.

I doubt that Guns will have anymore success then Velvet after the inital hype dies down and everyone realizes that it's not actually GN'R. I just can't see it... Velvet Revolver have been the most succesfull Hard rock group of the 00's... And because of the fact that a bunch 12 year old girls decide whats popular now-a-days I can't see any Hard Rock band being more succesfull then VR.

VR fans seem to be threatened by these new songs for some reason...


I like VR, but there is no way you can even compare the two bands. GNR sound like nothing else out there right now. And that's a good thing. Not everyone is going to like it, but its still "better" than anything I've heard from VR or any other big name out there right now.

Do you really measure good music by album sales?

I was as pumped for the VR album, but it was a dissapointment. And honestly do you think the lyrics to "Fall to pieces" are at the level of Axl. Comparing those lyrics to say, CITR is beyond silly. I think many VR who are GNR fans are starting to realize that if Axl becomes successful a chance for a reunion goes down the tiolet. VR is a nice band, but your not being honest if you say that their work stacks up with what we've heard so far.

You just hit the nail on the head. In fact, if you'll go check out the VR section, there's not as much activity there lately. Why? Because they're in this section insulting GNR and bashing these new demos. Now that it looks like the VR well is drying up, they got to come here and try to poison our well.

VR has fans?

Again... In my mind it's Melody > Lyrics.
In my mind the work of VR is better then the demos besides "I.R.S." and maybe "Better".
And like I said before it's becasue Axl is trying to be to much like a composer and not enough rocker, You might say that he's grown up but look at Slash... The guy has a family and is clean yet he still writes hard rocking tunes. It also might because none of the Guitar solo's in the demo even compares to Slash's work in fucking  Velvet Revolver, nevermind the solo's he wrote while in Guns. Buckethead is a shredder and a shredder will definetly not fit in with the style Axl's going for (it is Bucket thats on these tracks right?).

So ya... Don't think I'm not a Axl fan or anything I just prefer Velvet Revolver's style over Axl's style... I still buy the record and see them in concert but ya...

I just went back and reread the rolling stone article from 99. and all the leaks with the exception of 'better' are mentioned in that article.

I don't think  these demo's are going to be anything like what the final product will be. IRS and better doesn't even have back up vocals on it.

I honestly wouldn't read to much into these.... those demo's could be like 6-7 years old.... thats along way from finished.

Criticism, and personal musical opinions are fine.? But, let me just say this:? how FUCKING DESPERATE IS ONE, THAT THEY SEND THEIR MATT SORUM (POSER) STREET TEAM HERE TO TRASH AXL??? This thread is a joke!? People in the music business, and other musicians will tell you this:? the songs sound different than old GNR, but after a few spins,? they are brilliant!? It was cool to trash Axl five years ago, it ain't flying now.? The music speaks volumes!? Slash and Duff made a mistake.? Sorry VR street team, your fake band made one album, now they are done.? This is something so much deeper, and more organic than anything you can even comprehend--I hope Sorum can take you to unprecedented levels.? Of what, I don't know.?

Maybe the dude is really a harcore VR fan. Thats fine, its his opinion. However, this comparison is silly. The music, lyrics, and melodies are at Contraband can't touch. The solo in TWAT and IRS is IMO better than anything off of Contraband.

Lesser Hopes?  You have to be kidding.  The songs I've heard have only increased my optimism.

Chinese Democracy by the leaked tracks so far are some of the  best songs released over the past ten years easily.
Id take some of the new songs over a lot of the AFD songs. If  you want to compare here goes.


CD > You're crazy
riyadh > anything goes
The blues > my michelle
Madagascar > Think about you
IRS > out ta get me
Better > rocket queen
TWAT > night train
CITR  >  its so easy


So thus far the demos and live songs stack up very well against AFD and they are just demos

I just don't get these people that either hate Axl and co. or hate VR. It seems like you have to hate and rip-on one to like the other. Why can't people just put the fucking camparing shit to rest. VR and GNR are two different bands with two different kinds of sounds with two different kinds of songwriters. Of course they will each be unique and not always appeal to everyone, but you have to take it for what it is. VR is a rock band that tries to stay true to its roots, and GNR is a band that so far, seems to venture a little bit out of rock and dabble in other kinds of music genres. There is nothing to really compare between the two. They make different kinds of music. I am personally a big fan of both and enjoy both side's material. It's a shame that people who may not like VR or GNR tend to give people shit that do.




 :o  :'(

Because Contraband sucked :hihi:

?
Well if Axl made it, it would be awesome.? : ok:? :hihi:

Only because he would've told Matt, Slash and Duff what to do and how they should play. And he would have written lyrics more complicated than a Kelly Clarkson song (nothing against kelly) :hihi: : ok:

I actually like VR, I just don't like slimeballs sent to this board to start crap. ?I must note, though, that VR has recently stated they are making a "DANCE" album. ?Take it for what it's worth. ?Listen to the new GNR stuff, and try to tell me that Slash and Duff left because of musical reasons? ? Or that Axl shying away from these guy's during the 92/93 leg of the Illusions tour was because he was an egotistical maniac. ?Has it ever occured to you, that these guy's were so frickin blasted, for three straight years, that it was impossible to make music with them or try to hang with them? ?I think it's clear, Axl had to stay away, to keep GNR together in a way. ?If Axl was not there, the 92 tour would have been dead before it happened. ?From what I hear, these guy's made Keith Moon look like a saint. ?

Izzy and Axl were the old GNR. ?Izzy left, Axl stayed and went mad.

oK... wow.. some people in here are SO stupid.. When Queen made songs which were "epics" and over 7 minutes who complained? Bohemian Rhapsody..  umm tell me... whats wrong with it? Great vocals.. Great solo... whats wrong? its a long song.. what THE FUCK IS WRONG? exactly.. so whats wrong with estranged? November Rain? Man.. im glad these songs are long.. because i listen to them over and over anyways.. some of you fuck on here are so ungrateful for Axl Rose.. When the man stops making music entirely.. the worlds gonna miss him. And you know what guys.. Your right.. TWATS chorus is shit.. but .. heres my latest theory..

Axl Released the leaks.

Why?

Because these are his songs which he intends on having as his best. He put them out here for us to critique them. He let them out so the True GNR fans, and fake ones, could put in their insight... which will let him re master it, and release it to what people expect.. Which i dont think sounds crazy at all.. if anything its genious... because we all know.. when a new product comes out, a lot of research is done before its put out....

Axls doing research.. and we are all the subjects...

all i can say is.. if im right.. Touche' axl.. ure a fuckin genious... this album is going to be the best album of all time..

as for it being too much of a chopin like. well dude u dont like it..

This one goes out for all the fans who supported GNR through the years...

And all those oppose...

Well...

GET IN THE RING MOTHER FUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, slash. Whatever. You obviously... ah, not even worth it.

Ok... Some of you are retarted.

- To the guy accusing me of being from a VR board I'm not... This is the only music related fourm I'm apart of.
- To those of you saying I'm some close minded, die hard, Velvet fan... I'm not. I just like there style ALOT more. An album with a thousand watered down versions of November Rain doesn't interest me.
- To the Guy comparing AFD to these leakes and claiming they're better. You're an idiot and probably some Die hard Buckethead or Robin Fink fan who will do anything to show that he thinks they are better then Slash. I mean seriously. Not one of the songs even compare to anything of AFD.
- To the guy saying that no one had a problem with Queen writing epics well back then Radio was alot friendlier to that kind of stuff.
- To the guy comparing the solos from the leaks to the stuff on Contraband... ARE YOU KIDDING!? None of the leaks have solos that are; Faster then Dirty Little Thing (I don't consider Tapping to be speed), More Emotional the Fall To Pieces or Just fucking rock harder then Slither.
- And I said this about a thousand times... I'm a Guns Fan... I'm pulling for this Album! I just think out of the Leaked songs the singles of Contraband (Plus Sucker Train Blues) are better... Some of you can't accept the fact that something you've been waiting for for the majority of the time I've been alive isn't as great as you expected.

Peace. :peace:

The only person saying it wont be as good as expected is you and the VR fans who secretly wish for a reunion.

I think the album will be awesome,I don't think Axl has been sitting on his ass all of these years just to give us a piece of shit album. :peace:

And a fuckload of critics already judging the leaks to be "sub-par".
But I'll this agian. I WANT THE ALBUM TO BE GOOD!!!

And I'm praying like crazy for a reunion. It's no secret... Why would it be.
Don't tell me you'd rather have Axl and friends then the original Guns N' Roses lineup.

At this poi,t I can honestly say I would. Slash & Duff do thier own thing which is nice and raw, but axl and co. are currently working on a much larger scale. Izzy is cool, but some how he got overrated by people claiming he was the brains behind GNR. I've bought his solo records and they aren't exactlly brilliant. I guess if you're looking for a old school rocking album stick with VR. If you're looking for a artistic, mindblowing album (not neccassarily rocking) you'd have to with GNR. :peace:

Lets agree to disagree... agreed? :beer:

ok guys, saying that these demos are better than the afd songs i think it's a little bit of an exageration. they are demos people!!! and afd is still the greatest rock debut of all times. i don't think we shold compare these demos to any finished product by any band, vr or old gnr. i like them and i think they have great potential. but still i'm waiting for the finished product to give a definite opinion.
as for saying that you don't want to hear epic songs, should i remind you that not all the songs are epic, only if you consider a song of 4-5 minutes long epic. of course, compared to the 3:30 long songs that get released now they are epic. and to say that a song isn't good because it has more than 5 min. that's just wrong. maybe you should't listen to nov rain, civil war, paradise city, estranged and that's just to name a few.
let's keep supporting axl and let's continue the comparison after we hear cd.
till then my hopes are really high that this will be a great album!

These new gnr tunes  are pretty cool   but anybody who says they are better than any AFD tune is a moron.   

Fall to pieces is cheesy as hell, so is the gay video.

I don't think ChiDem will change the face of music today, because quite honestly music is like politics, stupid dumbfucks will swallow crap, but never something made with some intelligence... but I do believe ChiDem will change lives, such as my own and other pathetic posters like me (most of you, yes you).

Not that I care because some people like that style better... I know if axl did either of those songs a good deal of these forum members would have loved it.. I think axl on ftps would have been great, had an illusion's vibe, then with slither it's a really good rocker (hell the outside world liked it) axl on it with that cool opening and kick ass solo it would had been a nice compact rocker ...

My point was when irs first leaked people kept saying oh this beats contraband over and over.. I don't even think th entire song had surfaced yet, so if people can make crazy points over an unfinished partial demo then why not on two vr songs that many people liked, and that saw lots of airplay (still hear both on occassion) and did quite weel on mainstream modern rock charts #1-2

you mean the same way new gnr only fans were in the vr section being a constant downer when we were all having fun seeing vr listening to contraband :hihi:? People need to accept that not everyone is going to like cd's music/dedmos

I happen to like a lot of songs from these demos, but as you see outside forums have put down quite a few songs, and not all the reviews thus far are favorable.. I doubt they have a vr agenda to bash new gnr tunes..

Also to add duff just mentioned the new album and how they got to know eachother better as a group and they expect to do better..
If people were allowed to just dislike a song then everything would be fine.. many people won't allow someone to dislike something, it's always they have something against axl, or they are slash fans..? Does that mean I should love every song axl does because I like both bands?? Also everything turns into cb vs cd so it gets quite annoying, like people can't hear the new demos without saying how CB stinks or something.. Finally I'll be all these haters have listend to the demos a hell of a lot longer then most did contraband.. I have listened to the new tunes well over 30 times on good speakers, headphones, gave songs a chance to grow on me, etc.. So I did my part as a fan, but I can not like all and it has nothing to do with my other interests..

Fuckheads, good music is well...good music.  A FEW songs kicked donkey nuts on Contraband.  But, I think Axl has a much more complete disk in store for us.  I'm not hating, slither is better than any rocker Axl has previewed thus far, but Axl has only shown demo's so far, no need to compare yet.  The demo's to CD most likely blow away the demo's to Contraband.  Hell, I'd take Axl's demo's over most of contraband anyway.  Take that...Slash nutswingers.   :hihi:.

Two good posts in a row Mike, butI will quote this part.
 You're right, some people in this section go cause trouble in the VR section, and I think it is just as pathetic as the VR freaks doing it here. I know that everyone isnt gonna like new GNR, but there is people that say stuff like VR's lyrics are better(obviously they are not) or make some other unnecessary dig. ?I dont see their reasons for doing so. As you know Mike, I am not much of a VR fan even though i do like the people in the band, but I dont go to VR forums bashing the band and their music to people who clearly love it, and I dont think others should either. VR fans should do the same. Of course they dont have to like these demos, but they should just say that instead of saying crap like Fall to Pieces is better than Catcher in the Rye just for the purpose of riling feathers here.

@ axl-dexter: and i bet you listen to the demos from afd and uyi all day

Stupidity beyond words. Thanks for telling me what I like or don't like, I sort of suck at deciding myself ::)

Please stop  ::)

@ da_pope: you have a pretty big mouth for a 16 year old,who hasn't even been around when gnr was big..

fuck if we get a few more demos you might as well throw out afd :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Good one mike.  : ok:

most people favor afd, and I have to say RQ is easily one of my top favorite gnr songs, it's amazing.. hard soft powerfull has it all.

Get a room already !  ;D

We still haven't heard Richard Fortus on these demos, and he is a new weapon ready to Rock.
So I suppose we still haven't heard the full potencial of this new band... there's much more to come? : ok:

As moronic as those who say the beatles songs off sgt peppers are better than any tune off Help. After 1966 they no more sounded like the Beatles. Their disparate attempts to keep up with the kids resulted in losing their roots of the Liverpool sound. Listen to All my loving, PS I love you or can?t buy me love, which are real beatles, rough and edgy, Bahahahaha. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

NESQUICK, yep.......can't wait to hear the other 28 tracks heavily influenced by............................................B-U-C-K-E-T-H-E-A-D....................say it again Frenchie.....................BUCKETHEAD. Richard.....SIDEMAN....THE HELP....... : ok:

Probably a point that has been made already, but comparing the CD demos to AFD is unfair anyway, they should be compared to the AFD demos.

GNR is evolving as the Beatles did.  Not to be an asshole, but "A Day in the Life," is better than anything on Help.

Not to be an asshle but Need I say IRS and Better are already better than most of the AFD tunes if not all, or you haven't heard of sarcasm?

True, but Anything Goes is BETTER than A Day in the Life.....no, really, it is. Some 12 year old malcontent pimply faced kid told me so. ?:rofl:

I read the news today oh boy! :o

 :o
just no!

I speak the truth, those songs are  better than the ones I listed on AFD (IMO of course)

You dont think any of these songs are better than; Out to Get Me, You're Crazy, or Anything Goes :o

Are you even a fan of GNR in the first place?
That has to be the stupidest post I have ever read on the net.  You can like the songs all you want, but claiming they are better then one of the greatest and most influential rock albums of all time... :rofl:  Put down the pipe, dude.

What happened was that people here got afraid when they didn't get 4 #1 quality single songs.

It's like this. It will be good... we have a taste of that. Worth the wait? No it's not... but we sitll wait.

It's bullshit and stupid. Hell... the wallflowers released their first album in 1992 then one in 1996 and another in 2000.

That's 3 albums in 8 years. Then in 2002 and 2005 they released some. That's 5 albums in 13 years.

Gn"r have been so much less active since 1994. It makes me sick. The WF took 4 years apart from their albums and still stick with it... Gn'R have taken 12 SOLID years fromt he last release (TSI 93)

Come on...

The Wallflowers??

GNR at their prime was one of the biggest rock groups of all time.  They were going to be the next Rolling Stones, or Zeppelin.  That's what there contemporaries were saying about them.  Then it just ended.  Right in their prime.  The wallflowers is a horrible comparison IMO.  They were never that big in the first place. 

The problem with CD is that the hype around has built so much that it is destined to not match people's expectations. I remember people saying it was gonna start a musical revolution and all sorts of nonsense.    It's gonna be good, no doubt, but c'mon....

Maybe you should read some of dave's posts before making a shitty remark like that.

Sorry, I don't read or post on this board hardly.  I don't know anyone's likes and dislikes and whatnot. 

Claiming that some leaked tracks are better then songs on AFD...  I have to question your sainty.

I don't need to have been to know that Guns fucking rocked... I own anything GN'R ever released.
INCLUDING one of 10,000 copies of Live like a Suicide.

Then dont judge longtime members here if you dont know anything. Long time fans are just excited over these new songs. The songs prove the wait has been worth it, although we all questioned that for years. AFD is almost 20 years old. Us longtime fans have listened to it since we were kids. It gets stale. These new songs have injected new life into an almost dead band and a jaded fanbase. Saying he enjoys these songs more than AFD isnt shocking. I feel the same. Yeah, AFD is the best album ever made, but that doesn't mean we cant put it in the back of our minds and enjoy this amazing new stuff.

wow i'm impressed.... not!

i don't car what you think, and if you dislike the new band. i couldnt give two shits. i've loved gnr from the beginning and i have never stopped loving them during this journey, and i'm fuckin excited to be taken into a new adventure by this new band....  i think most of the people who sticked to gnr in all those years would agree to that

Yours is one of the stupidest post.
You are saying someone with a different opinion than yours are moronc or stupid? If someone like the band of today better than that of the past, then they're not a fan?

 :rant: Come on! That's not on. That is just not like Guns n Roses.
You're trying to stand in the way of the band's getting new fans, or what?
Are you even a fan of GNR in the first place?

None of these leaked songs come close to Slither or Fall to Pieces... Hell I even think Dirty Little Thing and Sucker Train Blues beat all of them except for IRS...
But whatever, To each his own.

So your'e a Velvet Revolver fan, good for you : ok: But what does that have to do with Guns N Fuckin Roses? Not much I think

I can't even remember how VR came into this conversation. Seriously.
All I did was make one comparison and everyone fucking flipped!

That was funny :rofl: And while in there writing songs about getting his teeth pulled and scrotum examined :hihi:

wtf are you talking about- the material could not be better- the la weekly wrote up a little article about how the new music sounds great and axl is the only person to save rock.  Seriously, dumb post.

vr is cool... but not even close to how good these "demos" will be when completed.  GnR creates art.  VR is just another rock band.  A good one.  GnR is  a great one.

its sad but it seems to happen to forums after people stay here so long. people get pissed when you want to talk about stuff like the old gnr geting back to gether. forums are for talking about stuff like this. thats why new people come to the forum. but some people cant shut there fucking pussy mouth. if they dont want to talk about it they dont have to. but they do any way cause they have nothing better to do. but the optimism is gone from here it seems. i dont see no rah rah come out of htgth any more. unless its new comers or real gnr fans that want nothing more then exactly what they want.

for example i mad a thread about a reunion. people dont even care that some of use might want to talk about it. the freedom of speach is gone from here. u have to talk about what the vet acounts want to or it gets deleted.  realy sad.




thats why i use other forums.

Well, go make a thread somewhere else about a reunion. Its been talked about here 9 billion times. But here's the breakdown of that discussion: the majority of people here don't want a reunion.

As for not seeing the optmism... are you people blind?

The reason people dont keep whining for a reunion is because its really old news, and there are better things ahead(CD) than praying for 20 year old rehash. But I understand you, and other noobs frustrations. You come to the forums, and our either an old fan with no forum experience, or a new fan that listens to the old cds and doesnt know much about the new band. But just by reading a few threads here should make you understand that people are looking forward to something new, and not dreaming of some lame attempt at past glory. There are specific threads here for reunion discussion(see dead horse section), but not many people post there because not many people care for that.

Instead of talking smack, tell me how the songs I mentioned are not better than those on AFD!! You cant tell me the new songs are not better than anything goes, you're crazy, or think about you at the very least.

Let's not go there. Both bands can coexist. They have different sounds and different approaches. It is not either /or, luckily, and for fans, they can like both, or neither. So don't turn this into something it is not.

But my 2 cents: you can't predict what the new Guns will do until the album is released. So don't even try.

Personally, I am quite certain now that I will prefer Chinese over AFD for the same reasons I prefer the Illusions over AFD. What separates Afd from the pack in rock history is not the quality of the tracks all the way through (because there are some stinkers) but the SINGLES. Three perfect singles-that is what drove the sales of AFD-not it's artistic merit-even though that is still very high!  :beer:

the songs are really good (the new ones), but they lack the all out assualt afd had... The solos, the riffs, the intensity and angst is far greater on afd..  Ever since the newest demo came out we have had some crazy statements.... if you live in the states you will know gnr is known as a ONE album band that faded away to most.. Everyone knows afd, most bars carry afd only... Illusions as great as they were are just not that known in the long run.. yes people know November rain, or maybe civil war kohd but the album/s itself didn't last the test of time and never ranks anywhere....  People act like because axl is in his 40's that he can't do afd type songs... No onr said he had to go move to the street again or talk about drug abuse..

Simply wttj, scom, pc, or rq destroy anything off these demos...

: ok:

It?s 2006. Music has changed.
AFD is good. But I certainly don?t need another one...

If you live in the rest of the world you will know that GNR's success didnt end with AFD.

All the haters and  naysayers come from the U.S. it seems.  ;)

who said it ended in the states?? I said it's not remembered in the states... Bands do sell millions of albums only to not be remembered later. Illusions went platinum here overnight sold crazzy amounts of records, but most people know afd is all I am saying..  I go by sales here, I live here what they do in australia or france means nothing to me.. I'm sure david hassellhoff sells millions in germany, but people here couldn't tell you three of his songs..

I also never said I wanted another afd, I meant rockers of that degree thrown in with his softer stuff...  Are you not allowed to havve a great opening riff in 06 ::)

Ahh, the great american spirit, you gotta love it.

All that matters is world domination. I could care less how much they sell or mean in the US alone? : ok:

Better alone will blow away all of them without fucking DESTROYing anything.  : ok:

Better alone will blow away all of them without fucking DESTROYing anything.  : ok:

I couldn?t have said it better myself...((iish, isn?t that the name of a record from Meat Loaf?  :confused:)))    :rofl:

They have no good riff writers in Axl + Friends.
Buckethead is a shredder, he doesn't write music just taps alot.

Axl could not write another AFD even if he wanted to... The Key ingredients are missing.
And don't give me some bullshit excuse that Axl has "grown up" because so has Slash and Duff an Matt yet they still play Hard, Loud and Awsome.

But can I give you this?: Buckethead ain?t in there no more.



And yes, the solo in There Was A Time is only shredding................................. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)  :rofl:

Nope, they don't.

that may be your opinion, but to say songs like spectacle illegal eye or slither or dlt stbs Diftks big machine, come on come in don't "rock" is absurd.. Live they are loud and rocking, they have quick hard guitar drum intros.. I'll be the first to say slash's solos aren't as long in anyway as his days in gnr or snakepit but they still have that uptempo quality.. You don't have to like them, but when I play the album I know I am hearing the instruments kicking.. The rockers are full of energy.. At a concert you can rock your ass off and the pace stays that way

VR had no good riffs and they had slash. The CD riff is good, and so is the one for IRS. So how can you say there are no good riffs  ::)

come on dave by now you have to say you not liking any work of CB isn't how everyone feels...

Unlike what the pope said I think BH is quite talented..

a simple but good riff like set me free was done by matt.....

lets be honest most of the people on this board didn't give the vr album half the in debth attention they gave these new leaks.. I am sure my 50 plus listens of each is more then half the people who hate VR's album did....

Remember when people said oh you need to have multiple listens to contraband then you'll get into it better?? Well the people who were anti vr said oh you have to force yourself to like it, or if it takes that many listens it's not good.. Well the opposite happened with those demos, everyopne swore for songs like twat or irs you needed multiple listens and headphones to have it grow on you, but that was just soaking it in, not forcing yourself :hihi:  I for one agree certain music needs many listens and headphones can give you a listen that provides more detail

So if people think contraband had good songs ,and people think new gnr's demos are good then that's all good in my book :beer:

My opinions have changed considerably about GNR and Axl in the last 5 years.
I really believe that Axl was the straw that stirred the drink. Estranged was brilliant and his input to all of their hit songs and fan favorites are clearly visible. I really thought we'd be getting something SUPERIOR with vintage Guns N' Fuckin Roses.

I have yet to be impressed by anything nu-GNR has put out as much as I would love to be lifted as high as the old songs continue to lift and inspire me through life. I consider some of the songs to be messes, both lyrically and musically - as if Axl has added too many sounds. His vocals are clearly weaker than they were in 1989. Im happy for the die-hard Axl fans (who all like "Estranged") and that they like the stuff - but I'm not on their planet. I think I'm with a silent majority both here and outside the boards who feel that thusfar the nu material has yet to prove itself.
His performance are also subpar compared with his older performances. At MSG, it does seem at glimpses that Axl doesn't know what to do onstage (EX: at the beginning of WTTJ, instead of normally spasing out onstage in the beginning, Axl just walks up to the center of the stage and stands there and then does the same old leg stomps that he does in all his other nu shows), whereas Axl of old always had a new move with the mike stand, his legs, arm gestures, rants and running around and high-fiving fans (I still love his 1991 UYI Tour Shows from May-August).

Doesn't mean Axl can't prove me wrong. I'd love to hear his "big guns" it would vindicate Axl in a huge way. I'm all ears.

But meanwhile, I can't let go of VR and their 1st album and half of the songs would sound perfect for vintage Axl to sing them. i HOPE at some point, that Axl can get back together with his mates.

MNW

I hear contraband songs on the radio and they do nothing for me. The lyrics are way too chidlish for someone in their 40s to be writing. Like I said they have a few good songs but that is it. You claim the demos or live songs have no good riffs I am telling you VR does not have any either and they have slash, so what does that tell you? The CD riff is so good the darkness ripped it off.

How has your opinioned changed? You have never liked axls new songs and you still claim you dont like them or are not inpressed.

Sorry but Slash and Duff havent grown musically at all. They have been playing the same, basic hard rock for 20 years. The only reason they changed a little bit on the Illusions is because of Axl. They have always done the same thing ever since they left GN'R, except now they tune to drop d. Axl actually has the balls to try and do something different.

Maybe he left his manual home for the 02 tour? I didnt know Axl had to do certain things onstage? I always was under the impression Axl did what he wanted when he wanted and nothing is scripted or planned.

Also remember the guy is 40+ yrs old. Atleast he doesnt sit down or stay in 1 spot.....

Too bad you werent at MSG.....thats all I have to sa about that...Until your there live, youll never know what a night that was




Hate to break this to you but Axl doesnt have to prove you wrong. Hes nto doing this for you or for me. hes doing the stuff he wants to do.

Thats cool. Not for me though. Cb is honestly boring for me. Is it good? Its ok. Its not putrid or anyhting. Its a good safe rock album.

Just something I wouldnt expect from 2 key members of GNR.

I had bigger expectation for Slash and Duff. Whethe rit was called Vr or GNR. To me the names dont mean anything. I simply go by the bar they themselves set.
 SLither and YGNR are the only good things off CB imo....

Except for Slither I rarely hear anything off Cb..even FTP

the leaked tracks actually exceeded my expectations and everyone i played the new demos to was positively surprised....   


so i don`t see any problem here...

I actually love the leaked songs!!! I think one poster hit the nail on the head when he said these songs could have been recorded six or seven years ago. Contraband was good but lacked enough commercial punch imo. I think the songs with the exception of blues and madagascar are album fillers, I do not mean this negatively I think Axl has worked long and hard to produce a kick ass album. I think these leaks have been carefully let out of the bag slowly, Axl is not a fool and he has kept the album under wraps for long enough.
I had doubts about Axl as a song writer thinking he relied on the talents of izzy and slash but I think we have all been proved wrong. One comment I would make is that the chord progressions in the new songs seem very simple and as if they have been wrote on an acoustic guitar. My idea is that Axl may have composed these songs simply (using his limited guitar skills, my god Madagascar has the same chords as all along the watchtower by Jimi Hendrix. I think the reason for the delay is that Axl may have had to re-invent the way he writes songs and has perhaps he has gone back to the drawing board. However, I think we all have to agree that every song on CD will eclipse Contraband and I say this as I die hard VR fan.
As a Gnr fan I am very excited by this release very excited by the prospect of Gnr on the road and I think every song will be killer. I am confused by the comments on twat whilst not the strongest I think the chorus is blinding. Who are we to say what will be on this album, maybee none of these tracks will be on there. Either way I am looking forward to it!!!! :beer:

That's the way it may have been in the past. There was an arranged setist planned to a T on the 2002 tour. No more of the "we feel the vibe of the crowd, an that dictates how and what we play". shame.

I never said Bucket wasn't talented... He's just no where close to the Riff writer Slash is.
And Slither has been called the Best Riff since Sweet Child O' Mine by many gutiar magazines so don't say CB has no good riffs.

You guys are automatticly making it sound like I'm trying to put down the leaks when I say there's no good riffing in there. I'm not. There just isn't a really good riff in any of the leaks.

Robin wrote most of the riffs, and ill agree BH is not a good RIFF writer but BH writes amazing solos.

The riff in the heavy part of 'Better' is awesome!

James...this is a great post, I totally agree with you..listening to these new songs in my car and on my comp has definitely got me excited about GNR again and about the release of CD which I was sooooo giving up on in the summer of 05 till Axl emerged out of the shadows.

actually my expectations are higher than ever, i always had enormous faith in axl's talent and this new band but this new material here have exceeded even my expectations. you know, a friend of mine is just getting into new gnr and i gave him a cd with 3 bootlegs; madagascar, the blues and CD, and the four demos, and as i was listening to the compiled cd on my headphones myself it just blew me away. trust me, this album is going to exceed everyone's expectations. it will be the best and most varied (which is a good thing) album release to date.

VR Sucks. Think about it.. Slash... Duff... Sorum.. some dude.. and Weiland.. GNR best band of all time.. IMO and Weiland from STP.. cummon... STP was amazing.. and now what? they had two decent songs on the Cd.. Some people get better with age, obviously those four havent. Axls music is not even in their finals cuts yet and there are now 4 or 5 songs which i would put on contraband before any of the songs they have on there. the blues.. TWAT...  better... IRS.. CITR... damn.. those songs are good. Scott's gotta get back into his old style of music.. his voice was a little more distinct.. not anymore though.. Point is. Slash back with AXL would be 20000000x better than slash with Weiland.

BTW. the reason the musics changed is ecause they are all 40 year old men.. some with families and no longer live in a shoebox with nothing but some nighttrain and cheap crack cocaine.. theyve grown up... theyve made millions.. now.. we see the new side of these guys...

Dont ever expect an AFD type CD ever again... that music is one of  akind.. and long gone.. no one will ever be like GNR 1985-1989...

so get used to the new shit. or leave.

I dont hate VR.. just had higher standards for a band with that much talent.. then again it was their first album. hope the next is better.. for there sake. and mine.. its a waste to see great talent without good music.

The sole reason it will sell more is of the GnR name.....if Axl renamed this band or called it a solo project, it wouldn't IMO;

I think most people know that, the only difference on these sites is will they say it happened because  of that or because axl's a musical genius

No doubt that something billed as the first new gnr music in say 15 years will grab attention right away having a percentage of fans of old just being curious picking up a copy....

it is a dead horse... I would have loved to have seen how a new axl rose and company album would have done on it's own.. people seeing it's an axl rose album over a gnr album is abig deal..

Whether its called GNR or something else, this album would have still be compared and scrutenized the same way it is now. Any work Axl or Slash put out will laways be compared to the old band. People would still be waiting for the "Axl ROse solo album" with he same amount of anticipation and curiosity as CD by GNR


Did GnR fans not by Vr simply because it wasnt called GNR? Will the same people buy Cd because its GNr or because its a new record from Axl?

The advantages Axl has using the name are for touring and adding to his legacy. If CD is great it will show that Axl was apart of the great eras of GNR. Whereas using another name he wouldnt be able to say or do that.

An Axl solo album would get the same amount of attention and have the same amount of initial sales as this album will do. People wanna know what Axls been working on all these yrs and why the old band split. That alone sells the album....Ther name is just the name

Dude your totally right.. the name Axl Rose is just as big as Guns n Roses...

CD will be the best album of the decade. Whether or not the rest of the world is aware of this is up to them.

it will be the best album ever. period.
haters eat a dick, and eat your sorry words at the day of the release.

I think I'm not alone when I say that it won't come near AFD in any aspect. Not trying to put anyone or anything down... I'm just saying, Nevermind was probably the last rock album that will sell in the 20+ milllion region. That is, until my band gets signed  : ok:

I think Axl would be very satisfied if the album went 3X platnium. I think 5X is my ceiling for a reasonable goal though... That would be EXTREMELY succesfull fpr Hard Rock/Metal album these days.

Again. I'm not trying to put Axl, the new guns or Chinese Democracy down. :peace:

I have high hopes:

When i first heard T.W.A.T - Better - I.R.S - Catcher in the Rye i really wasn't sure. It wasn't Guns N'Roses. IRS i liked, Catcher i didn't like, T.W.A.T sounded average and Better as a no go. Now after some time has passed, Better is like my favourite song, I.R.S has faded alittle, T.W.A.T the 2nd half is so good and Catcher in the Rye seems the weakest.

It wasn't until lastnight i played afew tracks from the UYI albums that it hit me. While the new GnR songs sound very different, i like this new sound more, almost to the point of not liking the UYI material. Better and T.W.A.T make even Estranged sound slighly flat.

Looks like i might have to make my way over to the Download Fextival, if only for the finnal gig  Smiley
beer beer beer

I dont see how people think that Axl Rose solo would not get close to the same sales if CD was not called guns n roses. When Ozzy left Sabbith his sales were still pretty damn good now werent they?

Yes, the name Axl rose  alone is as big as GNR.

However I doubt if I'd be keen on his solo.
Basically I'm not into solo stuff. I don't mind what the band name is but someones solo.
"A star and the back band" job always shows in their work. It's not true of this band.