Here Today... Gone To Hell!

He kicked ass in Nightrain and November Rain, he plays just as good as slash maybe even better? :nervous:

 I thought his Don't Cry dity was fantastic. The crowd was so loud. They loved it.

Agreed!
And dude... what was Don't Cry all about? That was one of the best parts of the whole show!

Agreed. I like the guy.

cmon,its not his job to be better than Slash.he just needs to prove hes good enough for this band and he did

I actually don't get the role he plays in the band. Seems rather superfluous to me.

i like how he moves. he shows emotions. seems like he has been in the band for years...

and the don't cry solo.. damn.. makes me wanna cry myself

yeah i liked him too! good job!  : ok:

The outro of Nightrain was incredible.  : ok:

Bumblefoot and Richard play circles around Robin, yet he is still given solos that both guys play better. I don't understand it. Finck has improved since 02, but the more I watch Bumble and Fortus and it is clear who should be relegated to a strictly rythm role. The live sound would be even better letting those two take all of the leads, because the sound is so much clearer and cleaner out of their guitars.

Guitarist.

They seem real tight now, and his Dont Cry bit is class!

Bumblefoot was good BUT He hasn't got the charisma the Buchethead has....
I really missed big Bucket, especially at kohd,nightrain,Irs & Better...

hopefully they can move twoards doing don't cry now

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

you're a boob

he is guitar holder. it's one think he can not do it's giutar playing. fuck what this guy is doin in GN'R??? What??? ?My 2,5 years old daughter is better guitarist than Fortus!!!

Are you retarded?! Fortus was GOD today!  :beer:

Stop drinking!!!

ok ok, he plays better than slash? :-\  ;)

Fortus was the best
then Robin
Then Ron Thal.

hater. ::)

bumble rocks! ;D

Are you kidding? He was good enough IMO! But that's just my opinion, if you don't think so, just watch, he'll learn just in time ?: ok:

 :rofl: :rofl:

He was solid.  BH is talented but a total bore to watch live.  IF he has any emotion, you can't see it..HE HAS A HOCKEY MASK AND A BUCKET ON HIS HEAD! hehe  :hihi:

Thal was pretty sick....night train never ceases to amaze me.  I love it.

What did you think about Richards shred-solo(s)? :hihi:

 :rofl:
well, nesquick? ::)

Just got back home from RIR and Mr Robin fucking rule, he was posessed tonight and so was i.  :smoking:

Finck's solos weren't that good...Ron's solo was just a bunch of wankery until the Don't Cry part which was cool...Fortus fucking owned ass.  Everyone on MyGnr mocked me when I said he's the best one, i guess they were so wrong.

I like Ron -- but Buckethead is just a much, much better (and more inventive) guitarist.   A real shame to have lost him -- I really hope his playing stays on CD.

He looked to be in his element out there  : ok:

dude... fink's sound is amazing.

So you think he is a more talented guitarist than Bumble and Fortus? Because anyone who watches and listens to the live shows can see and hear that Finck has by far the sloppiest sound on his solos. Bumble and Fortus's solo sounded clear and crisp tonight, where Robin is sloppy with his notes.

I am in favor of awarding solos based on talent, and not tenure in the band. Based on that criteria there is no way the guy should be playing any solos. He has improved since 02, but is still only the 3rd best guitarist in his own band. That is not saying alot.

Ron is a great guitar player, performer and an amazing guy.

He fits GNR way more than Bucket.

Yea, he really turned it out............

I enjoyed Bucket's Nightrain outro far more than Ron's. I just cannot get into the guy; maybe it is the lack of mystery around him. He looks like a workman guitar player, not someone with a cool back story like Richard, robin, and the Bucket. I am not certain I will ever warm up to him.

Bumblefoot absolutly owned yesterday's concert, he's a beast, his job in November Rain, You Could Be Mine, Paradise City and SPECIALLY in Nightrain was simply outstanding.

GNR will be the best band in the world the same day they quit ''Patience'' from the setlist. Damn, that song SUCKS! Clearly Axl doesnt like to perform that, and Robin's solo was awful (the only ''bad thing'' about ''Finck The Great'' from yesterday)

I'm really happy that I will not listen again Buckethead's November Rain solo (even when I love Buckethead). Thank God Bumblefoot is with us.

Not in a long shot. Ron owned everybody on that stage. Not saying the others sucked, but is very clear who's the best guitar player in GNR. It's the new guy...

-PEACE-

Bumblefoot - Dont Cry.............. I did  :'( Out of this world  :yes: a lot of people asked him to step up, he did  :beer:

Ron Thal really needs to try and fill the void Buckethead left. Maybe he should come perform in a Ronald McDonald outfit (shoes and all) with a Ned Kelly helmet.

what exactly did he play from Dont Cry, the solo????????   was there any singin' or anythin' els from the band???????

See for yourself here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxvEXCdMGpo&search=rock%20in%20rio%202006

ron thal was amazing. great guitar playing, performance, everything.

robin is my favourite though. he plays sloppy, but that`s his style. i still can`t get over the fact that he played the first IRS solo :drool:

and richard really impressed me. i didn`t know he could shred like that.

at first i was really sceptical about bumblefoot, but today he proved me wrong. definitely a better fit than bucket imo :beer:

ahhhhh fuck me!!!

that was awsome as!!! :drool: :drool: :beer: :beer: :beer: :drool: :drool: :drool:

thanx man, Ron fits in real well, hell yeah!!! :beer: :beer:

No worries man, it wasnt that hard to find.

I was watching the solo live but my connection was stop start. I was cursing AOL and drooling over Thal at the same time.

Great stuff, hey? Cant wait to hear him on the new songs we havent heard yet!

Bumble was great, but i think Finck definetely owned Rio

That Don't Cry solo was beautiful. Er, no pun intended.
 ;D
SG

The cover of the Ageluira song was amazing...

Dont pay attention to dumb fucks saying it's stupid to do that song..

They nailed it and it takes guts to do a song like that too.

indeed. : ok: :beer:

Did anybody else get the chills when the crowd started singing Don't Cry to Bumble's solo.  He knows how to reach the crowd.

Yes  ;D


Oh God........ If a reunion ever happens, please keep Bumblefoot in the band   :crying:

don't!!

well he was great the times I could actually hear him.
but saying he played NR better than Slash just sounds funny to me ;D

REUNION?  How could you speaks of reunion after one of the greatest GNR shows EVER?

 :rofl:

Do you really think I want it to happen?
Are you kidding, I fucking love this new band!

but if it did happen would you be more excited then you are now?

I think Fortus fits the band best interms of playing style and sound. He also looks the coolest, even though he almost rocks out too much.

If they kept Bumblefoot, perhaps.

I dunno, it's just that the old band and Chinese Democracy do not match. So I think I wouldn't be more excited.

I find it interesting the way he played the NR outro. He played it closer to the original studio version than Buckethead or Slash ever did live. I think it should always be played like that live. He did it well, but how can anyone possibly say he played better than Slash last night? All the parts he played were written by Slash and Buckethead. Even the most memorable part of his solo (Don't Cry) which everyone keeps praising him for, was written by the old GnR! The only impressive part was the outro to Nightrain - that was amazing! Overall, as good as the concert was, I remember during NR, around the time of Finck's solo, the second one thinking all these guys are really good. They each have a solo showing what they can do. But then I thought, didn't just one guy write all three and perform all three before! We praise these three for being able to play their solo but that just shows how amazing Slash was for writing and performing all three and all the other classic GnR solos.

Incidentally, someone mentioned they thought Robin Finck is a sloppy guitar player. This is clearly his style. If his "sloppiness" was a mistake, he would be the worst guitar player ever, because he's very sloppy on almost every solo. But obviously he plays like that intentionally. There is a part in the Blues solo which I used to think was a mistake because I only heard it from one bootleg, but the fact he does it at every gig, even four years on from the last tour, clearly shows its an intentional part of the solo and it works. He has own style and it's a brilliant opposite to Thal and Fortus' technical brilliance. That's why I think he suits GnR more than either of the other two. He looks the part too.

IT DOESN'T TAKE GUTS TO DO THAT SONG.? FORTUS FUCKING WROTE IT!
of course they nailed it

It's his song

It takes 3 guitar players to replace one,  but all three are better than Slash?

It's his style? 

Then that makes me, a person who can't play guitar,  the best ever, becuase sloppiness is my style as well..
playing out of key and hitting the wrong note is my style

Bostonrose,

why don't you fuck off.

did richard really write it?

i don?t like christina aguilera, but i think robin and richard did a great job on that one.


dude.....  get it! 

he doesn?t play out of key or hit the wrong notes....

he plays different. his solos in better, twat, rhiad, chinese democracy, the blues and especially IRS are awesome.    i`ll stop discussing now anyways.....  certain board members are really pissing me off right now with their ignorance and bullshit...

I never said all three are better than Slash i said the exact opposite. Slash is better than all three. Read again.

I prefer Buckethead, both in terms of playing and character, but that isn't to say I don't like Thal, he's very good and a brings something a little different to the performance, which is a bonus for these songs that we've heard time and time again.

Cause I am a huge Guns N Roses fan, that's why...

why don't you just accept that I didn't like the show and we can agree to disagree

are you sure about that? :rofl:

I loved hearing the crowd singing along to that solo. :)

why would he? coz he disagrees with you? or that the new show was nothing special? stop trying to kiss ass and win points with the mods that you know will disagree with him too and lower his "karma"... whatever dude... you deserve negative "karma" for your fuck off comment but you will never get it coz you were saying the show was the best thing ever!! yeeeeah!!!

I see your point, but I mean I liked his look... that and the robot nunchuck dance, obviously ?: ok:

yeah when he did don't cry.. that was fuckin amazing.. i really like this guy.. the only thing is the name.. if he'd drop bumblefoot and only call himself Ron Thal that woud be cool with the 3 R's: Robin Ron n' Richard

he's such a talented player and genuine guy you know.. way better than buckethead, he got the skills and the rock in him.

yeah but 'bumblefoot' sounds amazing like 'buckethead' does  : ok:

indeed, i always believed in bumblefoot and last night his performance brought tears to my eyes of happiness, it was so beautiful. :'( :yes:

most ignorant thing I have ever read on this board. Fortus might be the best guitarist in the band. He is certainly 10x better than Fink. Although, I will say Fink has improved greatly since 02. The jury is still out on Thal, but my bet is that he will be a great asset, especially if he can write riffs.

Slash is 100x better than all of 'em though. He might not be as technical as some, but whose guiatr parts have these guys been playing for the past 7 yeras live? Izzy was an incredible songwriter and a helluva a rythym man in his own right.

The band playing the old songs is not really the new guitarists fault though. They are getting paid to play what Axl wants them to play, and right now he is comfortable living off the past.

Having said all that, I enjoyed the live feed from Rio, and was very excited to see the show. The mix was horrible!!

Don't use the internet as an excuse though. I listen to the Darkness' set and they sounded much better than GNR, could be they have 4 fewer instruments, or their soundman was tons better. If I was Axl I would surely have a talk with the people mixing my live music because based on what I have heard and have been told...he is not doing a good job, especially with newer, lesser played material.

Bucketheads a psycho by his own buddies admission  :hihi:

Personally i though they were great...apart from finck...his solo playing was a complete mess.  They should stick him on rhythm, fortus proved he can handle the solos.

As I've said a million times: Buckethead is a great guitarist, but he's not Gn'R like. I had no hopes for Gn'R back in 2002, it looked like a freak circus. But now the band is looking like a proper rock n'roll band!

Missed Don't Cry sadly, sounds like I missed something special.

I really like him, in a way he's similar to Buckethead, he's technically more sound than Slash and does well not to lose the emotion considering it's not his own music.

You missed it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxvEXCdMGpo&search=Axl%20Rose%20Rock%20In%20Rio%202006%20Guns%20N%C2%B4%20Roses%20Feel%20Good%20Fortus%20Finck%20Bumblefoot%20Brain%20Stinson

i thought he was pretty damn goood,what did you think,im interested.

the don't cry tonight solo was great : ok: : ok: :hihi:

yup, awesome performance by bumble  : ok:

bucket stood there and played moved his head hes an amazing player but hes a fuckin' weird dick, thals not afraid to show his face and he can shread it as good as bucket

I like Ron Thal (Bumblefoot) yes he's the new guy and Axl's gave you all a small rant about the "One week wonder" "Two week wonder" "The new guy" The Nuke"
 He seems like a really nice person, runs around on stage, also polly has some great riffs to bring to the band. Im for The Nuke!  : ok: 

Wow, you missed alot of what B had to offer. If you keep your eyes on him, Bucket will amaze you with some very interesting movements: big steps at the end of PC, three fingers to the mouth during the opening and rant from YCBM, the robot motion, the scarecrow, and the break dance with guitar strap on (see OMG from Rio 3). He not only is an amazing player but a fascinating person to watch. That being said, Thal does very little for me; he plays Bucket's parts adequetely though not at the same level as B. Unfortuantely, he is a bore on stage: a little running around, standard solo stance although he is strange to watch weilding a huge axe considering he is a really short guy, and typical guitar pucker face when he shreds. No doubt a great player, but Thal presence does not stand out in the same respects as Bucket.

Oh well, the band sounds terrific nonetheless.

I liked Bumblefoot at RIR but I still have not understand why he needs that "thing" guitar thas has wings as well  :-\

Because it's fun. Because, unlike a depressing number of rock fans, he has a sense of humour and irony...

SG

I love Buckethead, but to me Ron does a great job in being of similar (yet different) importance. Technical brilliance and emotion in optima forma. His technical abilities easily hold up next to Buckethead's in GNR. Just like they always measured up when the two got compared, based on their solo-efforts in the past few years. As a matter of fact, Ron usually is regarded as the technically more accomplished one of the two (for what it?s freakin' worth). Next to this I really love his stage presence, especially since I got to see him in Bumblefoot, when he?s really in his element. Imagining him getting this comfortable in GNR, I can already see a lot of cool things happening.

Don't get me wrong here; I know that not all people see both Ron and Buck as their longtime personal favorites. So I really respect them for just not (for instance) getting the same from Ron's feel for dynamics, compared to Buck?s (or his phrasing, whatever floats your boat). I just disagree with it, based on my preferences and experiences with the two. I really couldn?t point out the better guitarist when these two are on topic.

-PEACE-

Ps.


Because it was a gift from Vigier and he thinks it's the best sounding guitar he owns. Next to this it symbolizes his quirky and humerous (Zappa-esque) take on music and the two aspects the name Bumblefoot (a bumblebee and a foot) consists of.

fortus lovers.. Everytime I saw hm in nyvc he was in the back robin was playing

BBFoot is great onstage a and a gent off stage, great guy

I dont think it's fair to say Bumblefoot "owned" Rio, as all three players put their heart and soul into their performace, but he was definately on fire, there are no doubts about it.

I think Buckethead's lasting impression on at least Gn'R's Portugese fans has more than faded because there is no real reason to miss Bucket's presence on stage with Gn'R in my opinion...

Ron plays Bucket's parts flawlessly while bringing his own "zest" to the pieces, and actually has some personality on stage, i.e. smiling/laughing/running, etc : ok:

I srill wish I knew who was onstage by face

You were at the same Hammerstein show I was at...so you shouldn't have had any trouble ;)

I could't tell count tell fortu from pittman,,I 'm sure if most people waled by him they bould be obvlivious

it's like seeing sammy hager in 1984

I knew Pittman was the long haired guy behind the Keyboard on springs... :hihi:

he's as important as zig zall robert or the horns.. 8 guys on afd, it's commical

are you drunk? :confused: you type so much wrong today :hihi:

No -- Robin DOES bend notes out of tune and flub notes all the time!  BUT I like his playing!!  It's slightly out of control, like Neil Young's solo playing (where he also consistently bends notes out of tune and muffs notes and phrasings).   The point is that Robin is not a very technically proficient player, certainly when compared to Ron, Buckethead or Fortus.   But he's also proof that being technically brilliant does not always translate into being an interesting or emotional guitar player.  Compare, for instance, Yngwie Malmsteen, who is an incredible technical player, but his playing always leaves me pretty flat next to someone like David Gilmour, who isn't a very technical player at all, but chooses great notes and tones.

Whatever...  :smoking:

dude you were at all 4 shows. I'm sure you know who they all are by now  ::)

Actuwas;l;ly I am hammered I was out at the beach y4estrday for 12 hours.. I picked up today for work it's starts weds.//

Come on jimmy don't get angry, bg hugs :-*

That Nightrain was simply mindblowing. I 'm watching on AOL right now. Fortus is the fuckin' man as well. Finck brings the energy. These three are a great combo and together, make up for the absence of the Top Hatted One. Divide and conquer-guitar by committee-seems to be working. : ok: I love Bucket to death but Ron does seem to fit in better. :P

ps just watched Nov Rain and Ron didn't pull that one off as well....that would be a good one for Richard. ;)

I can't believe that but thoughts are free i'd say

Buckethead got ... well nothing ..at least to me

None are so blind as those who will not see. We see the charisma kinda charm of Buchethead.


I can care less about that one. the absence of bucket hatted one is much of my concern ....and yes so far Ron seems to be filling the role very well.

veritas55
I think warose meant it's not a fuckup but Robin is doing it intentionally.
None is saying Robin is among the technical elite. 

 Yngwie Malmsteen must be a  far skilled guitarist than Jimmy Page yet, I guess, he doesn't write many beautiful songs or invent weird stuff, (or produce several historic albums with a band he leads) as Jimmy page did.


I think he is the guy on a mike counting numbers in weird order just before the RIR show starts.