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Velvet Revolver????

Maybe it is true that the success of VR gave AXL  a kick in the ass to get things going again.....I think we are all in agreement that this is the most legit GNR and AXL since 1993.......His voice is back, he got his aura back, he is reuniting with old friends from back in the day (izzy, sebastian) touring some venues that he hasnt played since back in the day (nyc clubs, acoustic show, donington, hammersmith) It is obvious AXL is taking this  a TON more serious then the 2002 fiasco...............Do we owe thanks to VR.....If it wasnt for them Axl might still be in his cave

No, I think we owe it to himself for finally coming to terms with what he has to do.

I bet WASP had something to do with it.

its a possibility. but i think its also because hes finally ready to let us hear some more of CD and because the rest of the band is really strong together, and its a good time to do this. i think tommy, and the rest of the guys wanted to get out and do their thing with the band too.

so i think its a little bit of himself, velvet revolver, and the rest of the band especially tommy, that made him get back out there

No

I think he was ready to roll in 2002 for the most part, but obviously had to improve physically.

Emotionally he seems confident and focused, but in the world that is Axl Rose, who's to say where it is all coming from

Velvet Revolver's pretty good, but nothing Earth Shattering going on there. I think Axl knew his record was better earlier on, and it did'nt really matter when he made his comeback in relation to VR

Good question though

Well VR were in planning in 2002 before they were VR, so Axl seemed to rush out with the new GNR or atleast thats what the VH1 BTM makes it seem. ?I think he realizes this might be his last chance to be relevant in music again. ?I've come to notice that again stars come to find its too late to do something when they know they should. Maybe Axl wants to do something before its too late

I don't think there was any factors of external or internal pressure (hell, the band doesn't even know what Axl's doing or what's happening with the record half the time), I think it was merely the natural progression of things.

Nah.

If VR was the driving force behind Axl comming back, there would have been a new CD out in '04/'05.

I really don't think Axl gives a damn about VR.

Everyone knows that what Axl's doing is "better"  :hihi:

We owe it to Anti Depressants.

lol i bet

Don't let him near a shotgun, then. He might copy a old enemy...

you cant deny that i smust have pissed axl off big time to see the success of VR with  some fake ass poser singer with AXl's guitar player and bassist and and drummer even playing some GNR songs.....It must have made him crazy with anger and i would not blame him one bit

I dont think VR has anything to do with Axl's return..i think the spice girls would have as much to do with that as they would. VR isnt even in same league with him. :no:

Maybe Axl was encouraged after hearing Contraband knowing the new GnR's material is much better than what the old members have made since they left.  Other than that I doubt it had any effect at all

I would think that Axl got past the other members no longer being in GN'R long ago.  Before VR ever came into being. 


Axl has stated that he was pressured into the 2002 tour.  So, evidently he wasn't "ready to roll."

Anyone think maybe we owe it to Izzy...forgiving Axl, talking to him again, hanging out with him, sharing the stage with him. Maybe it's all given Axl the confidence and motivation to go through with everything. I mean, the first we heard from Axl was when he talked to RS at the Korn party and he mentioned hanging out with Izzy

in a word no VR was around 03/04/05 so Axl would have done something then if that was the case

Axl is here now because he wants to be because its time people :hihi:

maybe Axl's band mates told him to belt the fuck up!!

In all honesty, I'm guessing it's the other way around: Slash, Duff 'n Matt were less then impressed by Axl's offering at the time ('01, '02) and probably thought they could put out something better than that. You have to keep in mind that Axl's image was very damaged at the time, so I think they thought it was a good time to ressurect GnR "without that goofball, jersey-wearing, whiney singing, riot inducing, predator looking Axl". Ofcourse they didn't have the rights to the name, so they had to choose something new. But come on... "Velvet Revolver" seems nothing more than a twist on "Guns N' Roses" to me. Luckily they didn't call themselves "Petunias and Uzi's" or something ;).

I'm glad I'm not the only one in the world who thinks that.

Anyhoo, Axl's back because it's time.

Even the name they had for a few weeks/months before the official was Reloaded if memory serves me right. Sure it sounds a lot like Duff's Loaded project, but Reloaded brings up images of guns. They really can't stay away from that name. I guess they regret selling it.

I think we owe the return of Axl Rose to Axl Rose.

Let's face it, the man is getting older before he's getting any younger...

Probably late 2005 he work up one morning and said fuck dude, Im going to be 44 in February...time to put all my baggage and skeletons back in the closest, burn the oversized jerseys, get on the most "rock star" outfit I can find and do what I was put on this earth to do... : ok:

Explains to me why he resurffaced so damn early this year...

If the timing wasn't right in 2002, it certainly must be now because we haven't had a month of silence since January now :D

I think it's pretty obvious, but when I said this on here I pretty much got insulted by someone who said I had to stop over analysing things.  ::)

I'm pretty sure I wrote " for the most part ", but I'll say it again. I think he was pretty much ready to roll " for the most part ". He did manage to do some good shows during that tour, MSG being one of them. The fact that he was pressured may be true, but I don't see what or who could've really put any more pressure on the guy. Even in 2002 you're still talking 10 years or so since the last album. He said that, because he still hasn't really explained what happened after the MSG show. So I'm not buying that he was some kind of un-willing participant in that tour. The guy does what he wants, when he want, in case you never noticed. :peace:

im not really sure why.but im sure happy as fuck over it.

haha,I like your posts today :yes: :smoking:

I Think axl had actually grown up  : ok:

Maybe he's back because he needs it. The return is his own I guess... The way I see it - new GNR performance, his performance and so on, all show that Axl enjoys what he does. There's a lot of tension around, probably some people want him to fail but I think he hasn't give up yet... Don't you think?

This is a bit off-topic, but I've noticed in many various threads where people mention Axl's jersey-wearing ways as being a negative. What's wrong with a guy wearing jerseys?? I always thought he looked really cool in them.

Axl prolly didn't want to do the 2002 tour, he was pressured into it...

Interesting, so you're suggesting that he waited till now to get things going, because he wanted to get in shape?

He maybe got bored of sitting on his arse all day.

I think there was a huge underlying issue as to why we didn't get what we are getting now in 2002 that we may never know about.. who knows, maybe Bh was causing a lot of tension in the band, maybe Axl was going through some personal issues, maybe Axl figured after 10 shows that C.D wasn't ready and the tour was pointless....

Fuck no. Axl doesn't give two flying shits about VR.

All credit to Axl.

He seems happier now. Happy to be playing, happy to be out there.  :)

And the band seems to be happy to be out playing (except when you throw stuff at Tommy!).


/jarmo

yeah it seems axl is so happy and the band too. when last night the dvd of hammerstein finished to download and i watched it i was like  ;D similing all the way and axl and tommy's hug was so emotional  :'( love the guys! i'm really proud.  :peace:

I bet it was Bullet For My Valentine's fault!  ::)

Not really. I do think it played a small part into how he viewed himself as a perfectionist and a performer though. Obviously, a healthier guy now, he seems to have a lot more energy & enthusiasm.

Definitely. There's always going to be some mystery about that 2002, I think

alot of venom towards VR i mean it is old GnR with the exception of Scott, n the other bloke! ;D
They may not be accommplished writters but they can make a good rock album which most new bands out now can't! : ok:

I think it MIGHT have had something to do with the fact that Axl was reading the forums one day (or very early morning) and thought "I gotta prove to them I still rock or else I'm gunna go down in history as one of the bad guys!! I'm not a bad guy!! So I gotta prove it to the world!"

: ok:

I think he just needed the money

I think if Axl was just in it for the money, we'd be seeing a few more original members up on that stage than just Mr. Izzy Stradlin : ok: