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Title: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on June 20, 2006, 12:36:19 PM
Listening to Physical Graffiti recently and realizing what a brilliant album that was. The thing I noticed more than anything else was that a lot of the songs showcase different styles musically, and they were really pushing the envelope with the diversity on it.

Based on the what we think will surface on Democracy, I find some similarities in the diversity there as well. Between TWAT, Better, IRS, Maddy, I think you've got some some pretty different types of styles going on there as well. I never really sat down and thought about that untill I was listening to Graffiti, but it does seem to be headed down that road, at least from what we've been allowed to hear thus far, and in my opinion that would be a pretty fucking cool thing - :smoking:


Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr on June 20, 2006, 12:38:00 PM
Yep, I agree with you. Actually I think Rolling Stone once referred to it as sounding like GN'R's Physical Graffitti.


Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: zakas80 on June 20, 2006, 01:27:26 PM
that's a great point you bring up, and that would be awesome as physical graffiti is one of my all time favorite albums!  im gonna give a listen too it now


Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: 2NaFish on June 20, 2006, 01:32:24 PM
i've been saying this for years. i'd be a very happy man if it was true.

and i think the quote was from moby who said "it sounds like physical graffitti mixed by trent reznor."


Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: madagas on June 20, 2006, 01:39:40 PM
Not Moby...David Wild Rolling Stone Jan 2000
"Imagine Led Zeppelin's Physical Graffiti remixed by Beck and Trent Reznor, and you'll have some sense of Axl's new sound.

Song after song combines the edgy hard rock force and pop smarts of vintage Guns N Roses with surprisingly modern and ambitious music textures. In addition to the album's almost grungy title track, tentative song titles include ''Catcher in the Rye,'' ''I.R.S,'' ''The Blues'' and ''TWAT,'' which he says stands for ''there was a time.''

Also Jim Barber May 11th 2000 Rolling Stone

People who have heard the new music say it sounds fantastic. "The tracks reminded me of the best moments of Seventies Pink Floyd or later Led Zeppelin", says Jim Barber, a former Geffen A&R executive who worked on the project. "There's nothing out there right now that has that kind of scope. Axl hasn't spent the last several years struggling to write Use Your Illusion over again." In the estimation of guitarist Zakk Wylde, who sat in with the new band a few times, "Axl is one fucking smart guy."




Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: zakas80 on June 20, 2006, 01:47:10 PM
that's a great point you bring up, and that would be awesome as physical graffiti is one of my all time favorite albums! ?im gonna give a listen too it now


Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: slashisvr on June 20, 2006, 01:52:28 PM
Ive also heard that also : ok:


Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: highend88 on June 20, 2006, 01:55:34 PM
Yeah... bring on Chinese Democracy..



Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on June 20, 2006, 02:02:24 PM
Not Moby...David Wild Rolling Stone Jan 2000
"Imagine Led Zeppelin's Physical Graffiti remixed by Beck and Trent Reznor, and you'll have some sense of Axl's new sound.

Song after song combines the edgy hard rock force and pop smarts of vintage Guns N Roses with surprisingly modern and ambitious music textures. In addition to the album's almost grungy title track, tentative song titles include ''Catcher in the Rye,'' ''I.R.S,'' ''The Blues'' and ''TWAT,'' which he says stands for ''there was a time.''

Also Jim Barber May 11th 2000 Rolling Stone

People who have heard the new music say it sounds fantastic. "The tracks reminded me of the best moments of Seventies Pink Floyd or later Led Zeppelin", says Jim Barber, a former Geffen A&R executive who worked on the project. "There's nothing out there right now that has that kind of scope. Axl hasn't spent the last several years struggling to write Use Your Illusion over again." In the estimation of guitarist Zakk Wylde, who sat in with the new band a few times, "Axl is one fucking smart guy."





It is quite impressive that just about anyone who has heard some of, or worked with Axl on Democracy have nothing but the kindest things to say about the music


Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: ppbebe on June 20, 2006, 02:07:12 PM
IRS will be Stairway of the 21st century. 8)

Chris Pittman is John Paul Jones (on synth) of Chinese Democracy/GNR.  :smoking:

Zeppelin in John Paul Jones' words.

Question: What do you think were the unique qualities that Zeppelin brought to rock?
JPJ: Musicality
       diversity
       power
       let's see... a good stage show and commitment!



Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: FortusGNR21 on June 20, 2006, 03:28:12 PM
Listening to Physical Graffiti recently and realizing what a brilliant album that was. The thing I noticed more than anything else was that a lot of the songs showcase different styles musically, and they were really pushing the envelope with the diversity on it.

Based on the what we think will surface on Democracy, I find some similarities in the diversity there as well. Between TWAT, Better, IRS, Maddy, I think you've got some some pretty different types of styles going on there as well. I never really sat down and thought about that untill I was listening to Graffiti, but it does seem to be headed down that road, at least from what we've been allowed to hear thus far, and in my opinion that would be a pretty fucking cool thing - :smoking:


I completely agree dude, I remember saying in another thread that I thought Chinese Democracy could well be GN'R version of Physical Graffiti, in that it seems that the new music is coming from all sorts of places, blues, electronic, straight hard rock etc etc. Good Post man!   : ok:


Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on June 20, 2006, 03:51:06 PM
Listening to Physical Graffiti recently and realizing what a brilliant album that was. The thing I noticed more than anything else was that a lot of the songs showcase different styles musically, and they were really pushing the envelope with the diversity on it.

Based on the what we think will surface on Democracy, I find some similarities in the diversity there as well. Between TWAT, Better, IRS, Maddy, I think you've got some some pretty different types of styles going on there as well. I never really sat down and thought about that untill I was listening to Graffiti, but it does seem to be headed down that road, at least from what we've been allowed to hear thus far, and in my opinion that would be a pretty fucking cool thing - :smoking:


I completely agree dude, I remember saying in another thread that I thought Chinese Democracy could well be GN'R version of Physical Graffiti, in that it seems that the new music is coming from all sorts of places, blues, electronic, straight hard rock etc etc. Good Post man!? ?: ok:


Thanks bro - I'm glad it's getting good feedback -  :beer:


Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: oldgunsfan on June 20, 2006, 04:04:13 PM
Listening to Physical Graffiti recently and realizing what a brilliant album that was. The thing I noticed more than anything else was that a lot of the songs showcase different styles musically, and they were really pushing the envelope with the diversity on it.

Based on the what we think will surface on Democracy, I find some similarities in the diversity there as well. Between TWAT, Better, IRS, Maddy, I think you've got some some pretty different types of styles going on there as well. I never really sat down and thought about that untill I was listening to Graffiti, but it does seem to be headed down that road, at least from what we've been allowed to hear thus far, and in my opinion that would be a pretty fucking cool thing - :smoking:

After the album,'s been out 30 years, you realized there was alot of diversity musically on it?? ;)

If you listened to Zeppelin I-IV, and Houses of the Holy before that; you would have heard the same thing :hihi:


Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: ROSE22 on June 20, 2006, 04:05:40 PM
definately agree although i think cd will be better if thats possible.


Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on June 21, 2006, 02:13:54 AM
CD is very much so a conceptual album as well.....comparisons to Dark Side of the Moon perhaps?


Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: -Jack- on June 21, 2006, 02:18:35 AM
CD is very much so a conceptual album as well.....comparisons to Dark Side of the Moon perhaps?

I'd compare it to your mother. Good and deep.  :hihi:

Kidding Garry!


Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: oldgunsfan on June 21, 2006, 08:08:04 AM
CD is very much so a conceptual album as well.....comparisons to Dark Side of the Moon perhaps?

and you would know this cause your an insider and heard all the songs :hihi:
j/k


Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: madagas on June 21, 2006, 08:13:44 AM
Dark Side of the Moon was made in about a six month timeframe. ::) Axl's going on 12 years now. NOT a good comparison. ;D


Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: mdlemin on June 21, 2006, 09:33:32 AM
I have been wondering that ever since I first heard Madagascar. Glad to see I wasn't the only one thinking this way. Led Zeppelin's Graffiti album is a very good album.


Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: ppbebe on June 21, 2006, 10:37:26 AM
Brain said it could be Led Zeppelin Ⅱ of Guns n Roses.


Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: RichardNixon on June 21, 2006, 11:17:01 AM
So...

UYI-GN'R's "White Album"
CD-GN'R's "Physical Graffiti"

Cool.


Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on June 21, 2006, 05:59:07 PM
Jack, I gotta hand it to you...THAT WAS GOOD!  ;D

About Dark Side, of course not I haven't heard CD!   :hihi:  I just read it in a magazine a long time ago!

6 months you say, Madagas?  I would have taken 6 years at this point!  :hihi:


Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: nevermore on June 22, 2006, 06:32:03 AM
 also about half of the material on PG were old unreleased songs. that means songs from over 6 years that Zep hadn't put on record. In 13 years of writing u'd think GNR camp has hone through different stages.
 

 
 cant overlook the fact that all Zep records had great unity. since we havent got a single new GNR song released its stupid to talk about the shape of their album or to compare to any of rock's masterpiece albums
 its alright if u talk about the songs but to pretend to know somethin about ficitious a album is Bullshit just as much as the magazine reviews for CD


Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on June 22, 2006, 10:01:06 AM
also about half of the material on PG were old unreleased songs. that means songs from over 6 years that Zep hadn't put on record. In 13 years of writing u'd think GNR camp has hone through different stages.
 

?
 cant overlook the fact that all Zep records had great unity. since we havent got a single new GNR song released its stupid to talk about the shape of their album or to compare to any of rock's masterpiece albums
 its alright if u talk about the songs but to pretend to know somethin about ficitious a album is Bullshit just as much as the magazine reviews for CD


I hear you. Was only referring to the 8 or 9 newer tracks that COULD be on this album. They are different. Say what you want, but after all of this time, if the newer tracks all sounded the same, that would be one thing.  Plus you add in comments made like there will be at least something on there that everyone will like, totally convinces me that Democracy is going to be quite the diverse album.  That's where the comparison came in.



Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: michaelvincent on June 22, 2006, 11:36:54 AM
Quote
So...

UYI-GN'R's "White Album"
CD-GN'R's "Physical Graffiti"

Cool.

I've always loved and used that White Album analogy for UYI. I think Chinese Democracy will be their version of Zeppelin's 'Presence'. Anyone who has heard that album will know where I'm going with this.  : ok:


Title: Re: Physical Graffiti / Chinese Democracy
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on June 22, 2006, 12:11:08 PM
Quote
So...

UYI-GN'R's "White Album"
CD-GN'R's "Physical Graffiti"

Cool.

I've always loved and used that White Album analogy for UYI. I think Chinese Democracy will be their version of Zeppelin's 'Presence'. Anyone who has heard that album will know where I'm going with this.? : ok:


Presence has some great songs, but there are some songs on there that I don't particularly love as well. Speaking of this album, you ever notice that the rythym guitar in For your Love was ripped on STP - Interstate Love Song?