Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Can't appear to find a proper thread for this beast, if there is one point me in it's general direction and I shall leave you in peace.

Anyway, who is getting jacked for the launch of this bad boy. It's coming out on November 17th and although is gonna cost an absolute bomb shelter, I beleive will be worth every penny and will provide us with a good decade of pure entertainment heaven.

I've placed down a pre-order with game station and am guarenteed to get a machine in the 'launch window', which apparently could be anytime before March! But I was pretty quick on the draw so hopefully itll be launch day.

The games I'm interested in at launch are a sweet looking FPS called Resistance:Fall of Man, Sonic the Hedgehog and possibly Call of Duty 3.

Remember PlayStation 3 is a hell of a lot of money (?425) compared to the XBOX 360, which is now retailing at less than half that (the core system). But for your dough you get...

-Easily the most powerful games console in existence, you think the early games look good, just wait untiul the developers get the hang of making games for this thing!

-The first Blu-Ray Disk player in Europe, the first standalone blu-ray player to launch here will retail for about ?800 which immediately makes PS3 a bargain really, you do the math.

-A machine that will play every CD/DVD/PSONE game/PS2 game that you own

-It has Wi-Fi connectivity, Blue Tooth (for up to 7 wireless controllers at once), slots for compact flash, SD and memory stick cards, and of course the all important built in 60GB HDD

-It can and will provide true High Definition gaming for anyone with the right telly and cable.

-Online capabilites - Resistance:FOM will on launch day be able to hold 40 player games online, nearly all games will have downloadable content online like new levels, characters, weapons etc..., entire games will soon be available for download leading to larger games and movies - the PS3 can handle 1GB worth of bandwith (100 times bigger than the current highest bandwidth available in the UK). Movie trailers and music (i-tunes stylee) from the off. Video and voice chat with your friends and the ability to hurl abuse to other gamers during games. And of course an Internet browser.

-Lighter ,wireless, motion sensitive controllers

-4 USB ports to charge up your controller and conect anything to your PS3

-Connectivity to the PSP, allowing free data transfer between the machines from any wifi hotspot in the world. The PSP has alos been used as an extra screen for PS3, most notably as a rear view mirror for F1 2006.

-If you need any further reason just check out the full 15 minute trailer for Metal Gear Solid 4 : Guns of the Patriots on most gaming sites. This is using the actual in game engine and is mindblowing.

I think thats about all and it's enough reason for me, discuss...

Can't fucking wait.

I have one pre-ordered . . but i'm travelling in January and i'm thinking that i might wait til i get back.

I am so looking forward to it tho

Yeah don't wanna blow all your cash, but what about your pre order?havent you put money down for it?

No not yet. they said they will call closer to the time for a desposit. Its just at the interest stage right now

I'm not sure yet.  I might well get an XBox360 and a Wii, as they'll cost the same together as the PS3 on its own.  I don't feel especially loyal to Sony as the PS2 wasn't that great imo.  Still, it will be exciting when someone else buys it and I can leech off them at their house. ;D

I love PS2 but i don't play enough games anymore to justify buying the PS3 :'(

i'll leave it a while till it comes down in price

Indeed -  and when u factor in u need some blasted HD tv to make it work right too - super expensive....

A HDTV will give you the best possible picture but rest assured it will look very impressive on any old screen. Agree that it may be worth waiting a year or so till it drops a bit but I just don't have that strength.

Me neither, the only games i bother with these days are Wrestling & GTA games.

When it comes down in price i might consider it though, depending on how good the new Smackdown & GTA stuff is......

I suppose it comes down to how much you use it and what for. If you want to play games, watch movies, chat to friends, surf the net and download stuff and do it alot its a good investment at that price, if you are just an occasional gamer then definately wait.

As for Smackdown v Raw 2007 Stoned, there will unfortunately not be one on the PS3 till next year, GTA IV is scheduald for release in October 2007 and will, undoubtedly, be a jaw dropper.

Exactly stuff i want ain't coming 'til 2007 and by the looks of things well into it, so i think i'll nab S V R 2007 for the PS2, see where i'm at next year, depends what job i have then, being at college is gonna be a major drain on my money.

I was thinking, well i don't know much about the PS3 but with all it's capablities couldn't they in theor when they release a wrestling game actually do a complete roster for once and put on say 20 legends...

I have 360 and I think it's amazing. I used to always be a Sony Fan boy, but now I'm unsute of either, because both systems are great. Maybe I'll get a PS3 in about 15 years when the price drops! :hihi:

Believe me, I have been tempted, very tempted by the lure of the 360 but I believe my patience will pay great dividends.

All i play is GTA nowadays, I've been working on san andreas since it was released and i still haven't finished it, and thats the only game I've played in that time as well.

San an's a bitch ain't it! Opened up the 'vegas' portion only for my memory card to get wiped, just potter about onj it now can't be arsed to do it all again.

yeah same here, i got the ps2 the day it came out, it was then about 3 months before i bought a game for it lol

I have a 360 and I think it's a solid console. I'll probably buy the Wii when it comes out, but I doubt that I'll go anywhere near a PS3 until at least a year after it's release...

... Unless one of my mates invests in one, of course.

I'm right there with you.

I bought the 360 back in February, basically just to be able to play Oblivion.  I've bought other games, now, and I really like the console.  Tomb Raider, Blood Money, PGR 3, Prey and some Marketplace games.  I'm looking forward to some more RPG's (Blue Dragon looks killer) and some more "action/adventure" stuff.  I've been pretty impressed, so far, at the lineup and the stuff coming down the pike looks even better....not to mention we'll get a simultaneous GTA release with the new game.

The Wii looks interesting....if it were more expensive I'd probably pass on it.  The controller still makes me nervous.....but for the price being bandied around, and the option to buy and play ALL those old Nintendo games via their online service....I'm thinking it's going to be a purchase right around release time...with the Wii's version of Twighlight Princess, probably.

Well so much for this being a positive thread, you guys are all shitting on the ps3, but I see where you are coming from!! Is anyone actually looking forward to and getting one soon other than me!?!?!

I don't know if the thread's not positive.  I think the console looks very good.  I just don't see anything at release that's remotely worth the cost of the console..and I don't see a combination of things that are worth the cost coming until about a year after it's out...and probably seen at least one price drop.

I know this is slightly off topic but i've seen it mentioned in this thread, what's the Wii (I don't keep up with these things...)

the new nintendo system : ok:

Riiiight, is there realistically any chance of it competiting with the big two?

Does it sound decent?

It has some interesting features.

First off, it's cheap.  The rumors are it will release at $250 or less.  Now, you give up some things (like true HD image quality and probably digital audio, though I'm not sure on that) for the lower price tag but, honestly, they're things mass market consumers might not miss.

Two, it's controller is interesting.  It's motion sensitive, in "real space" and it looks like almost all the games are going to make use of that feature, with aiming done via a "naumchuk" style plug in.  It's hard to explain, really.  You almost have to see it to get the gist.

Three, it's aiming squarely for the mass market, rather than power gamers...which is an intesting strategy to adopt.

Personally, I think the 360 and PS3 will duke it out for superiority...but I think Nintendo will garner itself a nice market share with this strategy.  It can easily bill itself as a strong #2 alternative....figuring most people will buy a 360 OR a PS3..not both.

The best thing about Wii is it's online system will have almost the entire nintendo back catalouge available for download so fans of the original Mario Kart and the like are sorted!

I believe the things i listed in the original post makethe PS3 worth the cash, i'm not saying it's expensive but I'm saying you are getting what you pay for and them some.

I work in the industry and have seen real PS3 real time graphics .... it is AMAZING!!  PS3 will ship at 400-450 dollars below cost in order to get a good home install base, since the real money is in the software.  You won't even be able to buy a Blue Ray DVD player for the price you will be able to get this system.  With the amount of developers backing this system and it using the favored technology (Blu Ray) by well over 80% of all the industry this is the machine to get.

That's what I like to hear! Yup sony is gonna lose millions on the actual consoles untile the tech gets cheaper.

You work in the industry? It sounds like you work for Sony. Or what, street teaming this bad boy?


Well. Time will tell, I guess, if it actually does comes out on top.

Balls, Jim beat me to it. :P

But the thing is without a doubt millions of people are going to buy playstation 3's, and thus blu ray tech will automatically be in those households, plus with the backing of 5/6 of the top movie studios out there I don't see how it can fail. Remember PS2 was a big reason behind the meteoric rise of DVD's.

I take it you never heard a little failed project from years ago called a laserdisc.




That is very debatable right there ,Sir. There were already a good chunk of dvd players in the consumers 's home by the time the ps2 come out.

I really want to get the PS3 casue I'm so excited about KILLZONE 2. I loved the first game and I bet the second game is going to be amazing!
But I'm just not sure if the price right now will be worth it. That's alot of money.

i read last week that the PS3 is going to lose sony is losing fifa07 and the new ispro, surely this is gonna hurt them

The PS3 will be getting it's own, updated, exclusive version of PES 6 in the new year.

I just got a call from Game.

they havetold me that the PS3 will not be out in the UK until March. And they will not start taking pre orders until the middle of December

That sucks hey people

Yes the fuckers are having problems getting enough parts so now it's delayed until fucking spring, 1 year after it was first supposed to, woaqh that xbox seems tempting now.

Definitely not getting one now. I had one on pre-order but I'm definitely gonna say a big FUCK YOU to Sony now. They have to stop treating Europeans as second-class citizens.

Its an absolute joke releasing it that much later after US and Japan and, I assume, STILL charging more than they are for Americans and the Japanese.

Well, it bodes well for us here in the states, too (note the sarcasm there).? What this means, most likely, is there is going to be a "shortage" of units available at launch (if, indeed, it launches as scheduled)...probably one much worse than the one that plagued the 360 (since it wasn't a parts issue, but a fabrication issue, that plagued them)...which is going to lead to general inability to actually put hands on one unless you win the "Best Buy Lottery" (ie: happen to be one of the first 7 people in line at launch or one of the lucky few who can camp best buy every day to check for delivery of the few new units).

Its sounding more and more like Sony is going to have a complete clusterfuck of a launch.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14694813/

I am very pissed off, but will remain patient. If it's a parts issue then there is simply nothing they can do about it until they have enough parts. At the end of the day they can't not launch in America or Japan so we are always going to have to wait in these situations, we have done so before and will do again, I do agree with the price issue though.
The good thing about all this is that we should get more, fine tuned launch titles and more consoles on launch day, only the very lucky would have gotten one before christmas anyway.

This is evry good news for Microsoft though because alot of people who didn't get a 360 because they were waiting for the PS3 will now probably change their minds.

It's even better news for Nintendo...who WILL have, by all accounts, a new console to release in the US, Japan, and Europe.

Leaning towards it mate.

They are coming down in price and the base console package is now under 200 bucks from most outlets...you could probably cut it down a bit more if you shop around.

I have a 10mb bb connection at home which is getting used for downloading and browsing, i wanna enter the world of online gaming console stylee and the Xbox online play is second to none from what ive heard.

Plus all these bleeding games they keep advertising look mouthwatering, this is despite me seeing PS3 screen shots and trailers.

Is the release date in March confirmed? Or tentative? The PS3 release is a bit like that of Chinese Democracy. Only not quite as long but equally as annoying.

Miraculously my PS2 still works after Cactus took it apart to clean the lense, however, it could only be a matter of time. My only issue would be my class PS2 games. However, id probably get a PS3 next year when the prices drop anyway so that wouldnt be a problem, otherwise id sell em all.

Id also be interested to see whether they plan any Gran Turismo releases on PS3, as that could quite possibly sway it back in favour.

Oh and Cricket games of course!

First of all the XBox base unit isnt really worth it as it has no hard drive, no wireless controllers, no headset and no xbox live, this is the unit which has dropped in price, the full system is still ?279.99 with one month's free xbox live subscription, a further 12 months subscription to Xbox live (gold) is available for a further ?39.99(PS3's online system will be pretty much the same as Microsofts but free), that's ?320 already before you start to think of the HD DVD add on that is coming out soon. The 60gb (as opposed to the 360's 20gb) PS3 is already equipped with a next gen disc reader so apart from games, blu rays and peripherals you get EVERYTHING for your ?425. The full Xbox 360 experience will probably actually cost you more.

XBox 360 has 2 certain exclusives which are worth it, Gears of War and Halo 3.
Ps3 will have Gran Turismo, Resistance FOM, Devil May Cry4,  Heavenly Sword, Metal Gear Solid 4, Killzone, Motorstorm, Tekken, Warhawk, Unreal Tournament and possibly Resident Evil 5 to name but a few.


Oh and the PS3 price certainly won't be dropping next year (but it's still worth it)  ;)

Oblivion, as well as any further Elder Scrolls titles, is 360 exclusive and it's well worth it.  As is Blue Dragon.  As is  Dead Rising.  As is Fable 2.  As is the Marvel MMORPG.  As are the Call of Duty games.

There are certainly, IMHO, a pretty even number of exclusive games that are "worth it" on both systems.


On the pricing issue: $399 gets you the "deluxe" 360 system, which includes the wireless controller, headset, and 1 month of xbox live.  If you add the $40 for the yearly sub of 360 Live, you're at $439.  Since the HD-DVD only will play movies, I'm hesitant to even throw in the price, but current estimates are between $100 and $150.  Personally, I won't buy it.....I have a stand alone player, so appreciate Microsoft not forcing me to pay for it up front, but....whatever.  So, with the HD-DVD thrown in, you're at between $539 and $589.  So the "full 360 experience" won't cost you more.  It'll actually cost you less, albeit a pittance less IF you feel the need to buy the HD-DVD add on.

Oh, and add to that fact that there is a strong rumor that we'll see a minimum $50 price drop on the 360 platinum system right when the Sony system is set to drop in the US....AND The fact that Microsoft is set to have a TON of retail stock at the same time here in the US (or the fact you can actually buy a 360 in Europe over the next 6 to 7 months)...and I'd say that things on the Xbox side of the world are looking downright rosey.

And if I'm Nintendo, Sony's announcement just sent me into fits of giggling happiness.

I'm talking english prices here and it does add up to more.

Call of Duty certainly isn't XBox  360 exclusive.

And yes, I will be getting a Wii to tide me over.

Unless the HD-DVD  add on price rings in over 105 pounds, no..it's not.  English prices or not, math is math.  And if you do the conversion of dollars to pounds....you'll see the HD-DVD will probably ring in between 60 and 90 pounds on release.  So, again, IF you feel the need to add HD-DVD movie watching capabilities, and use current prices, you still come out about 15 pounds ahead with the xbox 360.

So there is little difference in price, point proven.

I don't understand this logic...

Its like saying that a Toyola Carolla costs the same amount as a Lexus when you upgrade everything. Is it true? Maybe. But who cares?

Not everybody is going to get HD-DVD with their 360... not everyone with a 360 cares about HD...

Sure, some people are gonna buy a Lexus and get bang for their buck, but just because a Lexus has a bunch of cool features doesn't stop people from buying Carollas. Anyone get me?

If you really want a Blu-Ray player, and you like the Playstation brand, then go for the PS3. It's got alot for your money. If your just a normal gamer though.. who doesn't care about next gen dvd's.. then fuck the PS3 at this point. It has what? MGS4? FFXIII? And thats it?

I wouldn't say the PS3 is worth your money unless your a serious tech junkie. Otherwise... wait for a price drop (or just wait.. as you europeans now have to :hihi:).. or get another console.

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No, point NOT proven.  IF that was what you had said, originally, you would have been correct. But you didn't.

You said:


That's just not true.

So, actually, MY point has been proven.  That they'll cost close to the same amount, but that 360 will actually be a bit cheaper.

Bingo!? And that was my point, too.

I don't need my game machine to be my movie player.? I get dedicated equipment for that because, traditionally, it does the job better.? If you're a REAL home theater nut....you'll find that most dedicated players, at least in the past, blow away the "add on" capabilities of a game player.? And if you're NOT a home theater nut....well, how many of them really care about Blu-Ray or HD-DVD playback RIGHT NOW?? And given the obvious answer...why build the tech in RIGHT NOW and force the consumer to absorb the cost?? I mean...I know the answer is that Sony wants to shove Blu-Ray down consumers throats to win the format war but...other than that?

That's why I think Microsoft took the right path on this:? Offering the HD-DVD drive as an OPTION, rather than building it in and driving up the price.? I certainly won't buy it.? And if Sony offered the same option with the PS3, that is a "platinum" edition without Blu-Ray, I'd buy that too, rather than paying the extra $200.

It's not just about next gen movies, its about the amount of stuff they can get on a disc and the quality of that stuff. A Blu Ray disc can fit far more information than a regular DVD.

Also going back to the price thing, you have to figure in that you will be paying the charge for x-box live gold EVERY year, that will soon lead to the overall cost being more than a PS3.

Yes, a blue-ray disc can fit more info than a regular DVD.? That being said, your average Xbox 360 title weighs in somewhere around 4.2 gigs...the largest game is Table Tennis at about 7 Gig (which leaves 2 gigs free, before better compression algos need to be implemented).? And that's with high def graphics and content.

Now, we don't know how big Sony PS3 games will be...but I somehow doubt they'll be near the 40 to 50 GB mark.? Given that most PS2 games run about 3 to 4 gb, right now...and given the xbox 360 games saw an approximate 11% increase in average size over Xbox titles....you're probably looking for, at launch, about the same size as the 360 titles currently coming out...and fiiting just fine on single DVD-9 discs.

So that leaves the "future growth" argument.? Fair enough.? I'm pretty confident that a 50% - 100% "cushion" in size for the average game is enough for the next 5 years....ignoring the better compression algos that get developed over the life of the console.? I'm certainly confident enough to save myself $200+.

Not to mention....Blu-Ray discs are much more expensive to manufacture.? Especially the Dual Layer "full capacity" variety.? Which is either going to be bad for consumers (because we'll pay for it on games that use it) or bad for developers (who will have to eat the increased cost thus having less resources to put into the game, itself).? Add to all that the fact that Blu-Ray is only an advantage on "exclusive" games (because, lets face it, the cross-platform games are going to have to adhere to the smaller of the size requirements) and we come all the way back to the begining of this argument:

Largely, Blu-Ray's going to provide you a way to watch movies.? Something I don't want or need my console to do and certainly not something I'm willing to pay a premium for.

As for the pricing....you just keep chaning the parameters to try to be "right".? You weren't.? Admit it and move on.? You'll have to pay for content on the PS3 that I'll get free with my Live Gold membership.? Should we factor in those ongoing costs, too?

Edit: Oh, and add another $10 -? $30 to the PS3 price.?

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/03/high-end-ps3-shipping-without-hdmi-cable/

PlayStation 3 Launch game Resistance: Fall of Man weighs in at about 22 GB

I'm not trying to make an argument over price for the sake of it, I'm trying to clarify how much you would have to pay for each system in comparison. To make a fair comparison between each system its important to state how much you will have to pay for each systems services. The full online experience for Xbox is a recurring yearly cost of $40 and the equivalent on Ps3 will be free. Extra content will be available at a charcge on both systems.

On Resistance..I'd read that.? It's uncompressed data, something no game, except this one if they decide to ship it this way, ships with...largely because there's no good reason to do it.? It sounds like using space simply for the sake of using space, to me.? Especially considering it seems like the only game to do so.? FYI, Oblivion uncompressed?? Something like 30+ GB.? During development it was said the game might take up as many as 4 DVD-9's.? In the end...it took just about 1/2 a DVD-9, compressed.? Anyone can "bloat" their game to fill space....the question is: is there any real good reason to do so.? I'm MUCH more impressed with someone who can fit a game like Oblivion on 1/2 of a DVD-9 than I am with someone who can throw a game like Resistance into a 20 GB "hole". Especially when you can't really make good use of anything bigger than 512 MB's of textures, at any one time, anyway (less, really, as you need overhead for other things, too).

A LOT of extra content (demos, some add ons, and such) is included with the 360 Gold membership.? It won't be with the PS3 "freebie" basic membership.?In other words, PS3's "free" service isn't exactly equivalent to the 360's Gold membership.  So, again, should we add the costs in??

By your calculations, too, that HDMI cable is going to add another year to my X-box live membership.? I'm sure the content you have to pay for vs what I get free will add another year or two, at least.? That sort of comparison, using the ongoing costs of Live, is pointless.? It was also not your original point.

The long and short of it is, out of the box, the 360 is cheaper. And if you have no interest in the HD-DVD add on (which Microsoft has already said is for movies, only), MUCH cheaper. And that's right now.? It doesn't take into account any strategic price moves or changes Microsoft makes to combat Sony (and you can bet there will be some).? Again, just admit you were mistaken and move on, eh?

The Wii is coming!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14833055/

Wo0o0o0o

PS3 was a major backfire - due to Blu-Ray (which is already failing miserably because Sony was stupid enough to delay the release of the players and thereby flood the market with Blu-Ray discs that no one has a reason to buy) the prices have been so extreme that Sony has sacrificied the quality of the hard ware JUST for the Blu-Ray!

They are now selling the base console with roughly the same-power graphics processor as Xbox360 for about $650 and you have to pay more for the "better" console. Initial costs for PS3 exceeded $1,000 per console so Sony decided to cut back on the features of the device, which is sad.

XBox supports HD-DVD which almost all analysts have pegged as the new leader in digital video (no one thinks Blu-Ray is going to beat HD-DVD - HD-DVD will survive on name alone) and Xbox360 is much cheaper and you're basically getting the same thing.

Or...maybe not.  Well, they are, still, from what I've heard, but the exclusivity is limited in time (much like GTA was before this upcoming release).

Looks like Oblivion is going to be a launch, or shortly after launch, title for the PS3.

Yeah.. I've seen the PS3 screen shots.

Not much better than the 360s either...

Probably because it's almost a straight conversion.

I just like making the PS3 look bad  :hihi:

But yeah you're right.

Almost, but not quite.

The graphics engine has been tweaked a bit so the line between closer landscape textures, and the far off landscape textures, is a bit less pronounced.  They've basically done some blending, etc.  Also, from what I've read, the draw-in on the foiliage, etc, is not quite as "poppy" and dramatic.

AND it comes with an entirely new quest line, sort of the opposite of the Dark Brotherhood quest line, to, essentially, become a Knight/Paladin.  Knight of the Nines, or something like that.

Will it better come with some internet mods.

Still being worked out.  Bethesda wants to, but, from what they're saying, the Sony Network implementation might not make it easy to do.  Bethesda was unwilling to commit to it actually happening but were hopeful they could work something out with Sony.

I dont feel the PS3 justifies spending 600+ dollors on a system. The first party titles such as FF or MSG dont wet my appetite enough to fork over that kind of cash. Plus you never know about MSG, it might show up on 360 eventually. With GTA 4 allready confirmed to be out for 360 and with almost every other 3rd party game announced for the PS3 also confirmed to come out on 360, I will stick with that, though the Wii does look interesting. :smoking:

Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid are actually 3ed party games, they're just exclusive to PS.

If the Playstation 3 doesn't get off the ground with a running start that could change however.  Square has already been talking about moving some of their bigger franchises (Mana and Dragon Quest) to the Wii.  Whether that's going to happen or not is yet to be seen, but Square is already supporting Nintendo way more than years past (espechally on the Nintendo DS!).

Dragon Quest is already in production for the Wii, although with that Wii controler, it's hard to know what to expect.

You know what I meant.

Square games have been going down hill since SNES, well really almost all RPGS have. Its shame really that you can't play RPGS as good as they were in the old days. Better graphics dont change the fact the story sucks.  :smoking:

I take it your not a FF fan.

Some of the very early final fantasy games were ok, and i kinda got into, but anything on ps1, or ps2 and that inlcudes both final fantasy 7 and 10, i thought those sucked. I couldnt get into the story, and just thought it was not a very fun game to play. Dont even get me started on the gamecube one, can you say crap, that was one of the worst games ever made. The series on a whole i am not hugely impressed with, and i can definetly see i am in the minority.

Another square game that pissed me off was Xenosaga, i belive that was square, and It sucked the big one. I played that game for 12 hours straight, and felt like i was watching an anime that went waaaaay too long. You barely got to play the game and the story was much like a horrible anime. Needless to say i returned it to EB the very next day after i bought it.

I am a fan of rpgs, and I listed a pretty big list of rpgs i like in the rpg thread.? :smoking:

I agree about FF CC on the gamecube, but FFX was a great game, and FF7 was playstations Zelda.

This is the SHIT. :drool:


PS3 GT- HD 1080p. Full HD
This is the nextgeneration. : ok:



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I kinda agree with the dude... only I liked some of the PS1 FF's. Even then though, I would rather play Dragon Warrior 7 than Final Fantasy XII

I like dungeon grinding..  ;D

If I was the one who bumped this thread, I'd be banned again.

KIKO2K6 bumped the thread. Not me!  ;D

It's pretty.  So were the Killzone 2 vids and stills, though.  Is it real "gameplay" footage or is it the pre-rendered intro footage?

My problem with GT HD is that, reportedly, most of the unlockables (about 75%) are going to have to be PURCHASED, with realy $$, on Sony's microtransaction network.  That sucks, if it's true.

Sony Drops GT HD for Now. News courtesy of ps3.ign.com


November 30, 2006 - Sony and Polyphony Digital's experiment in download-based gaming has come to an early end. Sony announced today that it has cancelled the retail release of Gran Turismo HD in favor of a full-fledged Gran Turismo 5 product.

Gran Turismo HD was originally set for Japanese release later this month. Sony was planning to release the title at low cost, but with minimal gameplay content included from the start. Players would have to download cars and tracks through micro transactions.

A version of Gran Turismo HD will still be released exclusively in download form through the PlayStation store. Titled Gran Turismo HD Concept, this free download will be available through the Japanese store on 12/24. A date for the US store debut has not been announced.

This will be just the first of multiple "Concept" downloads. While specifics on the content to be included in the downloads were not announced today, producer Kazunori Yamauchi did provide some hints at a message posted on the official Gran Turismo site. According to Yamauchi, the download available on Christmas Eve will give a first look at the high definition graphics provided by the PlayStation 3. The next Concept download will include Polyphony's next generation driving engine.

As for the online racing that was being promised for Gran Turismo HD, Yamauchi says that this will be included in the final Gran Turismo 5 product. Many of the other elements that were planned for GT HD will also make it into GT5, according to Yamauchi. A release date for this true next generation Gran Turismo has yet to be finalized.

Polyphony seems to have quite a bit in the works for GT5. The Gran Turismo official site lists the genre for Gran Turismo HD Concept as "Real Driving Simulator," the same genre that's been used for the series since the original PlayStation version. For Gran Turismo 5, the genre is listed as "Online Car Life Simulator."




My take on the graphics is both GT titles on PS2 were some of best games graphically on the system so I belive the game will look damn good and if history repeats itself it will be one of best games graphically.? :smoking:

i hate how they make you pay for additional things now. takes the point out of gaming for me.

That's good news.  Glad they ditched the microtransaction idea...it sucked.

This MIGHT (depending) be the game that starts to convince me that I may,someday, want a PS3.  We'll see.  I love the GT series, but the GT HD concept stuck in my craw....

The unlockables thing was stupid,the idea of pay 800U$Dollars to have the full game was crazy and? sucked as well.

Formula 1 demo 2 for the ps3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjOf5DHzbB8

PS3 F1

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The Rain Efect

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I have the PS3 and I can tell you it is great.  It is a really solid unit and the games that were available on launch are already the best I've seen on any platform although I will give credit to the Xbox as it is certainly comparable. 

Everyone has their own picks and will argue if the PS3 is worth more but I must (in my opinion, of course) say it is.  If you are comparing the Xbox 306 graphics with the PS3 without hooking an HDMI cable to the back of the PS3 and connecting it to an HDTV you are missing it's true beauty.  The graphics are amazing.  Call of Duty and Resistance are amazing to see in HDTV.  Xbox's only real competitor is Gears of War...incredible game within it's own right.

I've read reviews saying the PS3's Madden is a direct port but it is not.  For one huge thing the graphics are cleaned up even more, the movement of the players is much more realistic and you can challenge plays...big deal to some of us!

If you can't get a PS3 right now the Xbox is the closest thing.  If you are more into role playing you may enjoy the Wii...it isn't on the level of the other two systems but at 250 bucks it would definitely get you by.

Those are some awesome game photos for F1.  :)

I would love to get my hands on a copy of that!  The NBA 07 also must be seen on the PS3 linked to an HDTV via HDMI cable to be believed!!  It is bar none the best looking sports game I have ever seen.  If any of you have any doubts about this machine take it from someone who has played it for hours and isn't just speculating...it is incredible!!

It is very quiet running as well, even moreso than the Xbox.  The machine cost Sony 840.00 each to make and you buy it for 599.00 and tax (for the 60 GB) or 499.00 and tax (for the 20 GB)... it's worth it.  Keep in mind that these are first generation games as well.   

I know this is PS3 but with all the racing game talk I had to thrown in a few pics from a game I am highly looking foward to.

Forza Motorsport 2 for the 360 is coming along nicely. I think it looks good and it is running at 60 fps unlike the first one so that should be pretty bad ass!? :smoking:



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More PS3 F1  :D
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I have a 360 but man, that looks amazing!  I love the water effect.

Security?  Security? We don't need no fucking security!
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PS3 has no security to prevent you from coping a blu-ray movie or PS3 game directly to your hard drive.  Its so stupidly simple through linux that people are wondering how nobody could of figured this out durring production.  Its basically a simple copy comand.

Anyone else heard that unless you have a HDTV that can handle the 1080p, the PS3 will only let you play games in 480 resolution? Pretty good if you have one, if you don't on the other hand ...

That's not EXACTLY true.  The truth is that, if your TV is capable of 1080i only (and not 1080p or 720p) it will not scale the images to 1080i....and you're left with 480p.

Most of the sets that would be effected would be considered relatively old, and are a relatively small number compared to the number of HDTV sets as a whole.  It's still an issue, for sure, and something Sony should have addressed, but it's not THAT dramatic an error.

omg lmao, no matter how hard companies try, they always get beat in the end when it comes to piracy.

1up Bashes the PS3

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=0&cId=3155393

Theres like 2 and 1/2 pages of all the titles that are shared on both systems side by side.  Whats funny is that they are right, you really can't see much of a difference, and some of the games like COD3 looks better on the 360.  And yes the graphic are important when all you do for the last year is talk about how awesome your new consoles graphics are going to be... it matters when they flat out look worse or about the same to a console that costs $200 dollars less.

Its not only 1up thats bashing them. IGN.com has stated on every game thats released on the 360 and ps3 that graphics are very similar and sometimes better on the 360. But at the same time I feel we have to remember, its barely off of launch and these are first gen games on a very powerfull system that is supose to be very hard to program for. Also their saying that a few games were just ported over with no "real" changes made because of time constraints.

 The real competition isn't really what happens this holiday season, but what happens next holiday season when developers have more time to get use to the PS3's hardware. I'm anxious too see where the 360 is in comparision because I own a 360 and at this time don't plan on purchasing a PS3 but it will be very interesting what next years holiday games have to offer for the ps3 when developers can take a little more time with the system.?

I also can't wait to see how the new Ghost Recon looks in comparision with the 360 because the last one looked amazing on the 360. We only have to wait till spring to find out this comparision, and I can't wait. :smoking:

Words of wisdom right thar ...
That's a long time to wait for the premium station games tho ...

What great games came out for the 360 this time last year??? I only bought 2 games at launch and that was COD2, which I still play and love and Madden 06, which sucked. I played a waiting game till I got Oblivion and Ghost Recon. 360's lauch was wasn't filled with great games. There's an article on ign.com that does a one year retrospective on the 360 and I think it hits the nail on the coffin. ?:smoking:

Heres the address for the article, in case your interested:? ? ?http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/747/747459p1.html

i badly wanna get a ps3, especially when the new GTA comes out.. but ever since i decided to get a life i have no time for games anymore  :'(
i almost ruined my education because of my addiction to games and can honestly say i would rather be studying, working, partying, or working out or some kind of sport (something where u benefit).  any of those beats gaming for me.  but damn i really wanna play the new grand theft auto....

You know that XBOX360 gets GTA4 also right? At the same time as PS3

It means my biggest incentive except MGS4 for getting a PS3 is gone, but I'll get it anyway.

Theres big big rumors flying around that MGS4 will end up on Xbox 360 too. Not at the same time as PS3 but their saying within 6 months to a year, you'll see it on 360. So i'm happy about that.  :smoking:

Cha

So I walked into Wal Mart this morning - approx. 7am - just in time for them to put PS3s on the shelves...three left, in fact.  I grabbed one purely so I could put it in the hands on someone I knew who wanted one, or wanted one for their kids, for Xmas.  What *I* was looking for was a Wii, but no such luck, although the manager told me to check back later.

I went to work, and made some calls.  Nope, no one was interested, call after call.  Too much money, decided to get an XBox or wait for a Wii, etc.  I was surprised, but so be it.  I just figured I'd go the eBay route, offer overnight shipping, etc.

I had called Wal Mart earlier, still no Wiis.  I started to check eBay, which has a ton of PS3s, most of which are selling UNDER retrail, or simply not selling at all.  Then I get a message saying someone from Wal Mart called.  I return the call to find out there is a Wii waiting for me after work, which was pretty cool.

So I pick up the Wii, head home, and check eBay.  The highest auction that sold was for $647 - barely over cost, with free shipping.   I make more calls, no one's interested.  So, at the end of the day, I return it.  And when I do, there's still one from the morning sitting on the shelf.  The Wiis, I'm told (6 of them), sold out in minutes...and I have a line of people who want the Wii for Xmas (at cost).

So weird, and very unexpected.   I'm a bit shocked to see the Wiis out pacing the PS3s around here...opposite of what I'd expect, really.

Anyone else noticing the same?

Around here they both seem to be going at about the same pace....come in and go right back out.

From all the store/department managers I've talked to on the subject (I'm pretty chatty), they all say the same thing:  Nothing lasts more than 10 or 15 minutes on the shelf.

Getting down to Crunch Time, however, it doesn't surprise me that stuff is sitting a bit longer.  Many (if not most) have done their "big" shopping already and finding a PS3, especially given it's price point, would bust the budget.  Wii's, given they're a bit more "price friendly" are a little easier to justify as an impulse buy.  That's my guess, anyway.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1570831,00.html

Time's "5 things that went from buzz to bust".  An excerpt:

TO PLAY'S THE THING

The big story in computer games this year was HOW TO BLOW A HUGE LEAD, by Sony. Its PlayStation 2 was the champ in the last round of the console wars. This time Sony bet on a chip called the Cell and a disc format called Blu-ray. They're probably awesome, but how would anybody know? The PS3 is hideously expensive--it goes for up to $600--and Sony manufactured only a piddling few hundred thousand for the U.S., fewer for Japan. Plus it's hard to write games for; the launch titles were lame. You know you're in trouble when you get beat by something called a Wii.

Jeez, I don't think the name's that bad...  :hihi:

I'm a converted Wii fanatic.  But the name?? Yuck.  I like the Project:Revolution moniker during the early development cycle better.

It lends itself to more bad jokes/puns than it should.

Whoever didn't make the rather obvious connection between the name and one of the many names used for male genitalia should be fired. 

Have you tried asking one of your friends to come over and play with (or see) your Wii, yet?  It can lead to some very akward conversations explaining exactly what you mean.

:)

Oh, but it is.  I get what the intention was, but still...there had to have been a better choice.

So you have a Wii?  What do you think?  As much fun as the hype makes it out to be?

I should really be asking this in another thread, right?    :beer:

Well, there is a Wii thread...

But yes...so far, as fun as the hype makes it out to be.

Zelda is amazing and Wii Sports has even got my WIFE playing.  :)  We had to go "wimote" hunting the day after Xmas so she could have her own.

The Wii that I mentioned before? The one I gave to neighbors for their kids?  My wife and I went over to play it today...the first time she's ever played a video game, and she really enjoyed it.  Granted, I'm not sure she supports me wanting to buy it, but still - progress!     :hihi:

is the ps3 actually any good?

I've not played it, but it doesnt look worth the money to me, compared to the 360.? I have a few reasons for prefering the 360, but they look about the same quality wise.

I think it's personal preference.   PS has a ton of loyal fans, but I think the Xbox is the better choice of the two.  Current gaming magazines have done a head-to-head, and decided that the 360 has better graphics than the PS3 - however, the 360 is in it's second gen. of games, while the PS3 has just gotten started.  No contest in the online area, though - 360 is far superior at this point...

I had an almost surreal experience this past Sunday.

Walked into our local Best buy at about 10:15 AM (they opened at 10).  There must have been 30 or 40 PS3's on the Customer Service Counter....both 20 and 60 gig flavors.

We were there for about an hour....maybe a little longer....spending "gift card money" and browsing...from the look of things, and the stack they had, they sold maybe 5 or 6 of the things during that time frame.

Really, I'm not surprised.  It's all opinion - I have no hard info  to back it up - but I don't see the PS3s being the "must have," be-all-end-all system it was made out to be.  As I mentioned before, there were two at my local Wal Mart at 7am TWO DAYS BEFORE CHRISTMAS, and they were still there when I went back at 4pm that day...

I got an XBox 360 for Christmas and my parents were even able to get me a few games with it. If it had been the PS3, I would have only gotten the console. I also hadn't seen the PS3 in action whereas I have seen what a 360 can do. Someone hooked one up on the Sony 50 inch plasma in my dorm's lobby up at college. Damn thing is pretty amazing. The only issue I've had with it so far is how loud the fan is, but I can always crank the volume and drown it out I guess.

The fan's loud - no getting around that.  I also recently got the separate HD-DVD player, which looks amazing, but that damn fan makes it hard to enjoy the softer parts of movies.

You got Gears of War, I hope?

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So I'm curious to hear from a PS3 owner...what do you think?

No I don't have Gears of War. I am not into first person shooter games to be honest. I'm more into sports games. The console came with a bundled game, which was Need For Speed: Most Wanted. The parents gave me Madden 07 and Tiger Woods 07 also as presents. Then I got College Hoops 2K6 for $20 brand new (refuse to buy 2K7 because JJ Redick is on the cover, so I saved $40). I also got Sonic The Hedgehog and The Godfather. The cool thing is I've got 6 games and haven't spent any of my own money on any of them. Gift cards and cash from other family members helped pay for the 3 games outside of what my folks got for me.

I heard Guitar Hero 2 comes out on the 360 later this year so I might have to at least rent that and see how I like it. I tried playing the PS2 version at Wal-Mart one time and was absolutely terrible at it. LOL.

As for the HD-DVD add-on, I'm really weary about which one will win out so I do not want to lay down any money for either side at the moment, which is partly why I refused to pay (or ask my parents to pay) for a Blu-Ray drive even if it is at a large discount given production costs for the PS3. I'll wait awhile and if the HD-DVD add-on gets to a low enough price, I might consider getting it although I don't think watching any DVD's with the XBox 360 is very easy to do unless you have it absolutely cranked. I'll probably just do what I did with DVD players. Wait until the price gets low enough that it's not such a rip-off. At the moment, DVD looks much better than standard def television so I'm not complaining. Does it look as great as HDTV? No, but it's not far enough behind to pay ridiculous prices for an HD-DVD or Blu-Ray player plus the movies themselves. The only title worth a damn that I'd even consider getting on either platform is Batman Begins. I have the Deluxe Edition DVD of it, but I'd love to watch it in high def considering it is a darkly shot film and an HD transfer gives incredible clarity even on the darkest shots by a director.

I'm not a FPS fan either.  I tend to only like the really, really good ones.  This one is really really good.  Like "best game on the system so far" good.  Give it a rent, at least.  I bet you'll be surprised at how much you like it...


Nobody is good at GH or GH2 on first pick up, IMHO.  It's one of those games you have to invest some time with to actually get good at.  But...once you start to pick the mechanics up....it's just a freaking blast to play.  With GH2, you can even do co-op (provided you have 2 guitars) with the 2nd guitar playing bass.  Pretty wild and enough to satisfy all those "rock star dreams".... :)


I'm not sure what you have for a TV.  But if you don't have an HDTV....neither Blu-Ray nor HD-DVD is really worth the investment right now.  Even if you do, it's dicey because, as you allude to, it's unlikely BOTH formats will survive.  I'm holding off, too.

I tried to hold off, but was a bit too weak-willed, unfortunately.  The only HD-DVD I bought, oddly enough, was Batman Begins, and it does look great. 

As far as the format war, I totally understand holding off.  At this point, though, it looks like I may have chosen wisely:

http://news.digitaltrends.com/talkback158.html
http://www.dvdtown.com/news/peopleonlinemorepositiveofhddvd/4212

Well, up at school I have a 23 inch NEC widescreen LCD computer monitor. It has a built in tuner for regular cable and it can accept HD broadcasts and content up to 720p and 1080i if I use component cables (which I have with the 360). My parents have a 43 inch Sony from about 4 years ago that is 4:3 instead of widescreen. It's a projection TV and accepts HD up to 720p and 1080i. I've been watching a ton of football lately with it and HD really looks great on that TV. Standard def digital cable looks like shit to be honest. LOL. The only problem with that TV is that it's probably the equivalent of a 30-32 inch widescreen TV. Our remote has an HD zoom function that zooms HD content to 480p in 4:3 but you lose some of the camera shot when cropping like that. At the time, widescreen TV's were expensive as all get-out. My folks paid around $1500 for this one and it's worked great thus far. I love the black level output from it. It's much better than that of LCD's and there's no burn-in like with plasma.

today i preordered my 60GB PS3  :)

So let me know what you think after you've played it a bith, then...very curious. 

Walked into Walmart on Saturday morning.

I was browsing the video game section with my wife, looking to see if anything caught my eye (I STILL have X-mas gift cards to spend) and noticed they had 4 PS3s in the case: 2 20 gig, 2 60 gig.  I commented to my wife I was surprised they had them in stock.  A nearby associate overheard me and said "Yeah, and 15 more of them in the back room."

It sounds like either Sony is getting more units out there OR the units going out are just not selling very well.

My friend got one today and I feel very un-impressed. =/.

Same here.  My Wal Mart had one sitting in the case yesterday...still there today.  Honestly, I'm surprised.  So is Sony, I bet.   :hihi:

All us patient UK gamers will finally find out tonight at Midnight when Sony are releasing the Playstation 3 and how much it will cost, most insiders are expecting a March 23rd launch and a ?425 price tag for the 60gb SKU. Not long to wait now!

I'm looking to eventually buy one, hopefully after a possible price drop this summer?

Anyone here wanna give me a review on it? tell me how it is?

ps3 is teh suck i'm sorry :(

There will probably be no price drop until spring 2008 at the earliest.

Japanese retailers are already (where the prices aren't fixed) dropping prices on the 20GB unit.  They say they're doing it because of poor sales.

If you look at the US retail market data, you see the same trend.  After X-mas, demand hit the crapper.  Sony is going to have to make some tough choices:  Either drop the price to increase demand, and take a bigger hit on the hardware (which I'm not sure they can afford to do) or stumble along until they get some killer apps out to justify the very high, in comparision, price tag of their system (something I'm not sure they can afford to do, either).  In looking at the software lineup......it may be very late '07 or very early '08 before their heavy hitters START to see daylight.  That's a long time to not be raking in revenue.

All the surveys that I've seen list the #1 reason people are not buying a PS3 as price, followed by lack of quality software/games.

I'm sure their initial plan was to hold off on a price drop, but with a rumored Xbox360 2.0 (with HDMI and larger HDD...and a quieter freaking drive so it doesn't sound like a hovercraft taking off) at the same price point (399) and the surprise success of the Wii, and it's LOW price point....I'm not sure Sony can hold out that long....or, if they do, if it will destroy their chances of "winning" this gens hardware battle.

excellent, 23rd is my birthday :)

when is GTA 4 due? and GH3 will prolly be PS3 as well that should boost interest

GTA  4 will come out on the 360 AND the PS3 on the same day.  The developer has already confirmed that....as has Microsoft.

GH2 is headed to the 360 shortly (march/april) and the word is that GH3 will also see release on both platoforms at the same time, as will a GH:80's version (not the real title).

The PS3 is going to need exclusives to sell the hardware over a less expensive, but very comparable, 360.

i agree...wow PS is in trouble if they lost exclusive rights to those 2 franchises :o

Not to mention that fact that the 360 has an exclusive on Gears of War, which is selling plenty of consoles on its own...

yeah but PS3 has plenty of awesome titles. they always have. my problem is that the 60 GB is so goddamn expensive. i'm waiting for it to drop, 600 bucks for a game system is a little too much.

An interesing article in which a Sony rep. cites the superiority of their machine, calling the Wii an "impusle buy." 

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6165074.html?tag=latestnews;title;0

SCEA spokesman tells New York Times that Nintendo's new console doesn't belong in the same category as the PlayStation 3.

By Brendan Sinclair, GameSpot
Posted Jan 31, 2007 3:04 pm PT
In the past, Sony Computer Entertainment America spokesman Dave Karraker has been fairly critical of his gaming rivals at Microsoft. In September, Karraker called Microsoft's decision to release an HD DVD add-on for the Xbox 360 that only plays movies "unfortunate," adding that the company's 1080p update for the system wasn't "full HD."

Two months later, he slammed Microsoft's decision to offer high-definition movies and TV shows for download over Xbox Live as "a disservice to their consumer base" because purchasers of the Xbox 360 Core system would need to buy a hard drive to store the large files.

Now, Karraker has turned his eye toward Nintendo's Wii, telling The New York Times that the system didn't belong in the same category as the PlayStation 3.

"Wii could be considered an impulse buy more than anything else," Karraker was quoted as saying.

The Sony spokesman also told the paper that Sony was selling out shipments of 100,000 PS3s in the US every week, although, "the frenzy we saw at the holidays has subsided a bit."

The article ran today under the headline, "Nintendo's Wii, Radiating Fun, Is Eclipsing Sony Machine." It discussed each machine's relative performance over the recent holiday sales season and noted that PS3 systems have been easier to find on store shelves than the Wii.

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No offense to Sony.. but wouldn't THEY want the PS3 to be an impulse buy too? Thats the most retarded shit. Like they would be complaining if it were the other way around.

And the fact that they consider 300$ (Wii and a game) an impulse buy...

They just come off as jealous in my honest opinion.

I agree with you.  That's why I get such a kick out of the paragraph that ends the whole article.  Kind of gives a different insight into Sony's comments...

They have a point about Wii... Sales are being driven by the controller. But the graphics are awful compared to PS3 and 360... as soon as the controller hype wears down so will it's sales. It is destined to be Sony's red headed stepchild just as they were in the last two generations N64 v. PSOne and Gamecube v. PS2.

Nintendo should take a page from SEGA's book and drop hardware for Software development, the last console battle they won was the NES v. Sega Master System (which actually kicked ass but was poorly marketed)

Another thing that is never taken into consideration is that PS3 is also competing sales wise with the PS2 which still sells very well... as soon as the PS3 library catches up and the Blu Ray technology gets cheaper it will smoke the other "Next Gen" consoles.

People said the DS looked terrible compared to the PSP... and we all know how that ended. DS outsells PSP 3 to 1 in Japan... 2 to 1 in America. PSP has terrible software.. DS has great software.

PS3 still has a big chance.. but I don't think it's going to smoke the other guys this time around.

But by the time that happens, how many people will own Wiis and 360s instead?

The guy's a corporate shill....he gets PAID to spin shit to make them look better.

What would you expect?

The fact is the Wii is outselling the PS3 according to industry sales figures.  Sony can TRY to spin that any way they want, but I think everyone on the planet can see that's not a good thing for Sony....

Spoken like a true Sony fan....  :)

I'm not sure why you think the "controller hype" will ever die down. That "hype" is something the PS3 and 360 can't (so far) replicate.....while they BOTH compete with each other on the whiz bang factor. Why is the innovative control scheme more likely to die down than the "HD graphics" hype.  Personally (and this is coming from a 25 year gamer) I prefer innovative gameplay, and good games, over whiz bang pretty graphics.  The graphics on the Wii (look at Zelda:TWP....a freaking Gamecube port!) are more than serviceable...even on my 50 inch DLP.

SO far, this is the Wii's main advantage: Their software library is better than the PS3's.  Why spend 500 or 600 bucks for Resistance?  Because that's really the only system seller right now.  At this moment, I'm using my 360, my Wii, and my PS2.  I'll buy a PS3 when they have enough exclusive, GOOD software to warrent the purchase.  That looks like it's a year away, at least.  Becuase til then there's just not enough exclusive software....and I already own a 360, so can buy the "cross platform" games on that system....and they look and play pretty much exactly the same.  And the Wii offers something up that neither the PS3, nor the 360, can.

On Nintendo's hardware war wins...well...you're not exactly right.  While it's splitting cunt hairs, to be sure, the SNES EVENTUALLY outsold the Genesis.  The Genesis held the lead for a very long time but at the very end of that gens war, the SNES won out....mostly because Nintendo was "in" for a year longer than Sega was (they'd moved on to the Saturn).

And the Wii is also competeing with the PS2....and the 360....and the original Xbox...and the Gamecube.  Just because the two products are both branded Sony doesn't make the PS2 any more of a factor in slowing down PS3 sales than it does with any other console.

You just can't look at what's happened with the PS3 and think it's a good thing for Sony.  More and more rumors are swirling that some sony exclusive titles are going cross platform.  Guitar Hero already has, Grand Theft Auto already has....rumor are that MGS will be next and that Final Fantasy and other Square/Enix products are not far behind.  Software publishers will go where the money is, and if Sony can't sell consoles....their exclusives are going to start walking to those who can.

I see your point, Sony has a year before their library is up to snuff.. but once it is, the hardware is leaps an bounds better than 360 (which I own and love) and Wii (whose only competing hardware value is the Wii Controller (which I view as the "Nintendo Glove" of this generation)) I can't wait for "The Wizard the Next Generation" when a 32 year old Fred Savage takes his autistic 27 yearold brother (complete with his Nintedog Pug) to a National Video Game Convention to play in the Nintedo Tennis Open...

Sure Nintendo always has great games, which is why I would love to see them do what Sega did and focus on game production across multiple platforms. Zelda on 360 or the PS3 would make my year.

As far as SNES over taking the Sega Genesis... you said it yourself, It only accomplished that after Sega moved onto a newer platform. Thats like saying that a year after the release of 360 Sony PS2 tripled it's sales against the Original XBox... Of course they did... XBox sales went down due to 360 not PS2 gaining steam (although they were never behind)

Price will be down in time... as soon as BluRay gets cheaper. For the money if you were planing on adopting a Hi-Def Video format this is the cheapest route, even XBox 360 paired with it's HD-DVD Drive is 600 dollars.

Blu Ray brings up another good point. A properly designed PS3 game can take up as much as 50GB (and the drive is standard). That gives developers alot of room to work with to make huge steps forward and take advantage of the massive grapical and processing advantages that the system has. Wii doesn't have this option at all, and for 360 to accomplish this, they would require you buy the external drive. It has never been easy to sell a game that requires a major hardware add-on to a console (Sega CD...)

Again, spoken like a true Sony fan... :)

The hardware might be leaps and bounds better on paper, but...so far....not better in practice.  360 games and PS3 games look fundamentally the same.  Heck, PS3 games (with the exception of Resistance) look like 360 launch games.  So until they prove their hardware actually PERFORMS better than the 360, the debate is sort of a moot point.

It kills the Wii hardware, true...and churns out very pretty pictures.  But the Wii is just fun to play.....and, once again, I'm not sure why you think the "novelty" will wear off.  I don't see any evidence of that.....in fact, I've seen, read, and heard just the opposite.  Heck, even Sony acknowledged it (sort of) with the Sixxaxis."

Fanboi dreams of Nintendo going software only are not going to make it so.  Sega did it because they had no choice (they were broke).  Nintendo is not even close to that point....and the Wii is outselling the PS3 largely on the strength of their first party offerings.  Why switch?

On the SNES/Genesis console war....the fact remains the SNES won that generation.  It's a documented fact.  It may be splitting cunt hairs, but it's true.  And using your comparison makes no sense (PS2 vs 360).  A generation is a generation....regardless of when one company moves on or not.

On Blu-Ray (or HD-DVD)...a) I'm not buying anything until the "VHS/Betamax" war is over.  "There can be only one", and until there is...any purchase is too risky.  b) I don't want (or need) my console to play movies.  I have a very serviceable (more than serviceable) Home Theater that does those duties.  I think forcing console buyers to pay for movie playing tech they may, or may not, want is sort of shooting Sony in the foot.

On PS3 games begin 50GB....it's overkill and padding, so far.  Look at Resistance:  Uncompressed textures (which actually SLOWS THINGS DOWN because there's not enough video ram to process them so they have to be compressed on the fly), padding, and very uneconomical use of the space. Yes, it allows for lots of growth...but so do advances in compression technology.  Again, until Sony proves the 50GB is actually of benefit, it's overkill and a waste of dollars being spent by the consumer.  So far, not one PS3 game has "required" 50Gb of space...they'd all fit on a double sided DVD.

Again, PS3 has lots of potential...but potential doesn't sell consoles.  And PS3 has a LONG way to go to realize that potential...and unless they do it pretty quick, they're going to be lagging behind the 360.  You agree...about a year for their lineup to get up to snuff...that leaves the 360 with a TWO year head start.  That's a lot of ground to make up...and publishers are not going to wait that long.

Guilty as charged...

back to my last post, since typing it I think I'm on to something with "The Wizard the Next Generation"... could be the next big July 4th release (but the Glove would have to make a comeback)

Back to the glove I think that has to be in the top 2 "Bad Console Peripherals" next to the 10lb. Sega 3D Glasses that went with the master system. You had to have a neck like Lyle Alzado to play a game with those on.

LOL...you ever try the "Virtual Boy"?  Talk about neck problems...and headaches.

Well my order is in, so hopefully i'll be playing my brand spanking new machine on march 23rd!

So stop back and give a review or opinion.  I still want to hear thoughts from someone who actually owns one of these...

I own it...
Graphics are great... Game Library is sub par (for now)... Blu Ray Player is just as good as an $800 standalone unit.

The built in bluetooth allows for headset, keyboard, and mouse connections. Which go great with the built in browser and online play functionality.

The harddrive is easily swapped out for a larger model, It can be partitioned and dual booted if you wanted to take advantage of it for another reason (like a linux based media PC)

The system isn't for casual gamers at this point, to get your 600 dollars out of the system you have to understand that it is designed to be for more than a few hours a week of Madden or Call of Duty. Sony's intention was for a true media center (which leads to my only complaint... if that was their goal they should have allowed for video input to run a DVR) but it is great for streaming music or video (wireless builtin) from any machine in your home or from any internet site.

I say worth it... many will say not and they have very valid points.

Thanks for the info.  I truly had yet to find anyone I knew who had one, or someone who had first-hand experience.  How's the online end of the experience?

Yeah I read this with real interest. You're the only person I know who has bought one of these. (including many of my "Sony" friends on another message board who are all waiting for the price to drop  :hihi:)

I feel Sony blundered big time by making this a whole "media centre" as a great many people who just want a system that plays cool games will go to the 360 or Wii. The only people I can see getting all hyped up about it is real Sony fans, not the average gamer who sits on the fence.

I went with the 360 initially because of the Halo franchise, but then really took to the online experience...Xbox is top notch.  I've since added on the HD-DVD player to watch movies as well.  And the Wii?  That's just plain fun.  At this point, I have no reason to pay attention to the PS3.  But given that that's the one console I typically see available for sale at Wal Mart, I'm really curious at to what those who own one have to say...

now you know another person that bought one  :hihi:

to me the nintendo ds is the best console to be released in the last 5-10 years.

theres nothing like it.

Cool  : ok: ... do you own any other systems and how does it compare? 

btw ... I don't think the DS counts as a console.

Delays
<Source> (http://www.thelastboss.com/post.phtml?pk=2004)

Remember a year ago when 360 came out and game magically started getting delayed for long periods of time?  Well guess what sony fans, it's payback time

MotorStorm, Bladestorm, and Fatal Intertia have all been delayed. MotorStorm has been pushed back to a March release, while Bladestorm and Fatal Inertia were due to release in March, but have been pushed back to Summer, making it unavailable for the European PS3 launch.

CONSOLD FAST
08/02/2007

ADVANCE orders for the much-awaited PlayStation 3 have broken all records with Woolworths reporting one bagged every 20 seconds yesterday.

Sony's state-of-the-art console is not in the shops until March 23 but Woolies, one of the first retailers to open its pre-order books, said it was staggered by sky-high demand.

Even though Brits will be paying ?125 more for the machine than their US counterparts, eager gamers were ordering the ?425 60GB model at the rate of three a minute.

Woolworths' head of games Gerry Berkley said: "It's the hottest gaming system since the PS2 launched in 2000 - demand will out strip supply."


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/money/city/tm_headline=consold-fast--&method=full&objectid=18591726&siteid=89520-name_page.html

Last night I had a great experience with the Wii...and it was playing a 10 year old game.  Busted out Mario Kart 64 (available for 1000 points on the VC) with 3 of my friends.  We had a blast.

I can't believe how much fun I'm still having with Warioware, Trauma Center, Elebits, and even Zelda.  Heck, Wii Sports is still entertaining me, especially when the aforementioned friends pop over.

I have some hands on with the PS3 (about 5 or 6 hours worth, now, mostly with Resistance).  It just doesn't make me want to own it when I already have a 360.  I just don't see a real difference in features, it doesn't have enough exclusive titles to compel me to buy it, and the 360's on-line experience is VASTLY superior (IMHO).  The only thing, for me, the PS3 has going for it is Blu-Ray and Resistance.....and I don't care about Blu-Ray as of yet.    I'd bet that a year from now that will change, and I'll spring for a PS3; because that's when their library of exclusives will get to a "critical mass" (assuming that many of them don't, as is being rumored, change to cross-platform status), by the looks of things..

ill be going into my local shop for pre order tomorrow they knew me as i was the first name that registered interest all them months ago my only bugbear is ?425 thats a lotta money itd better be worth it

Now this is funny:

(http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2007/20070210.jpg)

I swear Sony management has gone batshit insane.

Damn.  My local Wal Mart could make me a very wealthy man...

Daily Telegraph 27/2/07

PS3 not in the game

Playstation 3 users in Australia will be able to play fewer older titles than their US and Japanese counterparts as Sony looks to reduce costs in the local model. The long-awaited PS3 launches in Australia, Europe and New Zealand on March 23, five months after it was released in the US and Japan.

But Sony said yesterday the Australian and European regional models - which operate on the PAL regional television standard - will not feature the same level of "backwards compatability" as the US and Japanese versions.

PAL PS3's will still be compatible with over 1000 games from the playstation catalogue.

check out the trailer for "Home"

http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2185

Yup Sony have unleashed this behemoth of a programme which takes the best ideas from Xbox Live and the Wii Mii system and takes to a quite unbelievable level. Like a free version of the Sims, a second life if you will. The announcement and fantastic trailer of 'Home' and another deep community based game called 'Big Little Planet' which also has 2 trailers on Gamespot really finally puts the PlayStation network on the map.

I am not a fan of the PS3 as you probably know.
This however, does look unbelievably badass and fucking sweet!  : ok: I bought the Sims and was totally unimpressed, but I do recognise the massive market for this kind of stuff and the PS makers seems to have capitilised on this nicely.
I wait for the XBox to copy this idea, if they can ...
Finally got something right eh?  :P

heres they keynote from Phil, the first 28 minuets it just about PS Home and how it works etc, pretty badass


 keynote video (http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/video_player/popup.php?sid=6167003&pid=)

its been in the works since around the beginning of 05 so i dont see how they copied xbox or the mii's on the wii.

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=14848&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

So from tomorrow, next gen will officially be current gen as the Ps3 goes worldwide, I may be getting mine today if I'm lucky, if I do, tell my friends and family that i love them as they won't be seeing me again!

Lol at Sony losing Devil May Cry 4.

What's the point of buying such an expensive system? The only game PS3 has that probably won't be ported to 360 is Final Fantasy. Even MGS4 will probably be ported.

one of the main reasons im buying it is because of the blu-ray player

Ditto, it's not expensive in comparison with Blu-Ray players.....plus it's a games console. BONUS  : ok:

Ah then that actually makes alot of sense. Sometimes I forget about that. No offense meant, my bad.

no worries, iv had an hd ready tv for ages but nothing to watch on it, i but a lot of dvds so im gonne be buying blu-ray from now on

well anyone else get this today??

i got mine and so far im really impressed, the graphics and sound in F1 are unbelievable, by far the best ever

also call of duty 3 which i havent played yet, and fall of man which is great so far

havent been able to get connected to the internet yet  :(

Well i started this thread some months ago so now I finally have the system i suppose i should give my two pennies worth. Had it for over 24 hours now as my local games delaer kindly let me pick it up on thursday (naughty, naughty) and have hardly put the pad down.

First of all she is one sexy beast of a machine, sleek shiny, black and oozing quality. It is huge and heavy but once it is sitting in front of your tv that doesnt matter, also becuase it is so heavy it feels quality too.

I have been preparing over the last year by getting a hdtv, surround sound speakers and the like and it all paid off, watching the opening sequence of motorstorm in hd and with thumping surround sound is a real moment, it is stunning.

Also brought resistance fall of man, which has a great solo mode with an incredible amount of action on screen at once, me and my mate played co-op which was even better. But nothing can prepare you for the quality of this games online mode - it is sensational.

Got online after midnight and registered which should secure me a free copy of Casino Royale Blu Ray and proceeded to the playstation store have since downloaded and played the free demos of GTHD (stunning), ridge racer 7 and online game blastfactor, also brought Tekken DR which looks incredible for an old arcade/psp game.

All in all the playstation 3 has so far met my expectations and i fully expect it to exceed them very shortly.

well ive had mine tying to gt the HDMI cable to work is not happening though all i get is sound will have to try it on the other tv later

by fuck is it heavy had to carry it a long way in a bag  :rant:

sexy lookin thing though

are you using a hdmi to hdmi or hdmi to dvi cable?

hdmi to hdmi im waiting for the tv in my front room to become available so i can try that one

but the system is updating itsself now which is takin forever  :rant:

i remember the days when 2 cables were required.

power plug

scartlead

oh how i miss simplicity.

jesus christ ive just worked out how much my PS3 has now cost me


?425 Ps3 Unit
?40 Resistance Fall Of Man
?35 Extra Controller
?18 Remote Control
?12 HDMi Cable
?28 Motor Storm
?18 Black Hawk Down DVD
?25 Open Season DVD

so ?601 id better put in for some overtime i think

yeah mine set me back ?910, think im gonna have to get a small hdtv for my room cos after playing it on the goot tv i dont think il able to play in on my own

has anyone else got connected to the internet on it by wireless?? im having problems with mine

mine was an arse to set up but is fine now enjoying getting my butt whipped online

hey add me to your friends list. PSN ID = Slash310

i have motorstorm,resistance,nba2k7, and nfsc

i dont have a mic yet. plan on getting one soon

Mine is working flawlessly

i have it sussed, my modem is at one end of the house and the ps3 is at the other, if i leave it sitting in the middle of the siffing room floor i can pick upa signal, but if i move it back beside the tv i lose the signal

that really bugs me because my optical lead wont go that far

Yeah i was havin some issues with that i kept on losin a signal while playin online so it crashed my out so it seems the reciever in the ps3 is not too great, i also connected it to my psp with wireless but was disappointed to find it wouldnt allow to play the games only use the menu

mines ok once connected, once theres a date stream its fine, itd getting connected in the first place that causes me problems

wonder would a seperate wireless adopter work??

I got my PS3 last friday.

I haven't really got the time to play it that much yet though, but what I have played is amazing.

Motorstorm feels extremley next-gen, the animations in the game are pretty much out of this world and the control feels really "in real life-ish", almost a little too much, because the steering gets a little too hard at times, especially in deep turns, when you out-of-nowhere is crashing into a big ass mountain and boom, you're last out of the fifteen riders again.

Not that fun, luckily, it doesn't happen very often.

The second game I've played is Def Jam: Icon, which is the game I've been playing the most out of these two games.

Icon is an amazing fighting game, and I've never actually played a Def Jam title before, so I'm new the this type of music/fighting genre.

To see these buildings blow-up before your eyes when you time a perfect punch into someones face and knock some of their teeths out, it's simply amazing.

As I stated, I haven't really played none of the games that much, but I can tell that they're both amazing games, and I will continue the playing soon, I will also connect it to the internet, which is what I'm probably looking forward to the most.

I also got the time to test the Blu-ray feature that Playstation 3 offers, and it was very, very good.

That's it for now.

(PS. From what I've heard the picture looks SWEET if you hook it up on your LCD-computer monitor with a HDMI-cable that you're putting into a DVI-adapter.)

gonna be a great night for the PS3. Metal Gear Solid 4 midnight release tonight  ;D good thing gamestop is in the corner of my house and i dont have to go camp out at some other gamestop to get this game

does that mean the dualshock is been released too?

Yeah, a couple months back...about 2 weeks before the Gran Tourismo 5 Prologue "demo" came out.

not in europe theyr not, but i think i read somewhere they were being bundled with MGS on its release

Ahhh, gotcha.

I forget how international the board population is, sometimes. :)

In the states, like I said, we got em back just about a week or two before GT 5 Prologue hit....

In looking at amazon uk, I don't see any mention of it being bundled with a dualshock...

I also don't see the dualshocks available for sale via any of the euro gamer sites, yet (or maybe they're just sold out).

So I don't know....

Edit: The only mention of bundling I see concerns the MGS 4 "Red" 80GB PS3 bundle here in the states....which comes with a Dualshock 3.

yeah man the rumble has been available for a few months now. i got mine a couple of months before we got them here in the US, i have 1 white one and black one. MGS4 does support rumble.

that must be what iv read

iv gad a look round and have ordered an imported one

^^ i arrived today, that was quick  : ok:

So what happened to the Sixaxis? Sony fanboys were touting it as the ultimate controller and attacking XBox fans because of their lack of motion sensitivity. I believe rumble was even dismissed by Sony execs at one point as pointless.

i love the 6axis, its a good laugh playing racing games

it not that it was pointless, i think they had gotten into a lawsuit and couldnt add rumble to the controller at the time

was it not the the rumble was interfering with the sixaxis motion sensors?

Nope, it was the lawsuit.

Sony made some other half hearted excuses, but it was absolutely the lawsuit.  Once it was settled, the Dual Shock 3 practically breezed through to market.

Microsoft had faced a similar lawsuit and settled VERY quickly.