Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ES_XzmDKAc

Look for yourselves :D ?

Look at Duff and Adler right before everyone stops to play and Slash playing alone for a while...That?s what i call a tight band  : ok:

Can we see this band perform again, please  :-\
I tought Steven was great.

Actually history has proven this was them at their worst. Everybody but Axl wanted Adler gone, Axl was starting to depart from the band by holding seperate recording sessions away from the band, and so was Slash, as he started actually literally 'phoning in' some of the rehearsals. Izzy also had one foot in and one foot out.

This is when they became 'all business' actually.

Personally just leave it the way it is now. If we saw these guys again, they'd look old. It ain't 1990-91 anymore.

I disagree. Even if they looked old (which I doubt), it would still be better than a fake GNR as we have now.

By the way, about age : Fortus and Stinson are 40, Brain is 42. Slash is 41, Duff is 42, Steven is 41... So I don't know what you're talking about.

Original rather than fake, all the way.

If taking a new Guns N' Roses means freshening it up, rather than the same old same old (VR), i'll take the new Guns anyday.

But thanks for the facts. I had NO IDEA, seriously, that they were all the same age. I didn't know Axl was basically just a few years older than everyone.

But when I said old, I was talking about their look & presentation, not the actual artist's ages.

Ask to the Rolling Stones fans if they would prefer some new unknown (and younger) musicians instead of Keith Richards and Charlie Watts...? ;D

Fortus dresses like a teenager (probably Britney's influence) although he's 40.

Biographies : http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/bios/index.html

Guns N' Roses is not The Rolling Stones. That's WAY WAY different.

The bottom line is we simply do not know. This project with GN'R has never been done before, and if it has, it wasn't successful.

We're going to just have to ride the wave, and see where it takes us.

So what ? It?s not about that ...It?s about Steven never hearing this song ever..And he just needed to look over at Duff and he knew what to do...Yes it?s true Axl never had a problem with Steven...Izzy..He didn?t care, and he stated afterwards he thought it was bullshit  - To fire somebody because of a drug - abiuse, when the whole band is using....Duff..I dunno about him..But what i have heard it was Slash who wanted him out  : ok:

Photographer Rob Halfin (who worked for the band) said that Axl fired Steven because Steven had sex with Axl's girlfriend, Erin.

Well that photographer seems to lie, nobody knows what happend that night..Steven says Andy Mcoy?s wife gave Erin a speedball..Some say Steven gave her that but...There was no sex involved...A close source to Axl said that it was Slash who wanted Steven out..

Probably Del James... or maybe Sebastian Bach ! :rofl:

Nope

You brought it up man, not me. Now it's not about that? You said it was. You said that at that time they were a "tight" band, implying they were close, which is not true, from various band members at that time. I was just repeating what they said.

Slash & Duff were the forcers that wanted Steven out. Apparently they had rehearsed with him many times, most of which Axl was absent at, and they were simply fed up with Steven not pulling off the tracks, due to being too wasted. Then Axl starts showing up for the rehearsals & cutting the new albums, and because he hadn't been there, his tolarance level to keep Steven around was much higher, because he wasn't burnt out on him yet, like Slash & Duff were. But pressure from Slash & Duff on Axl to get rid of Steven got too great, and Steven had to be let go.


So you're saying he's a liar? Well Slash HIMSELF said he was the one that wanted Steven gone...  :peace:

I didn't say he's a liar. But I don't think Slash is responsible for Adler's dismissal. There was a general consensus among the band members in order to fire Steven.
Axl, Izzy, Slash, Duff and probably their manager and the record company were against Steven because he wasn't considered as 'reliable' anymore.? Reading pre or post-1996 interviews makes it quite clear : nobody wanted to work with Steven, nobody defended him, nobody worked with him after GNR's split (except Izzy on a couple of songs).

GNR became a huge business, and there was no room for someone as Steven.

Just watched DOTF youtube...That rocks hard!  Thanks for posting that.  :peace:

Well THAT I agree with.

But saying Del James or Baz, is implying that Axl is a liar. They all wanted him gone. Axl wasn't around the band as much, so really hadn't gotten tired of Steven yet. When he did, it didn't take long for him to get fed up either.

The Legend - A band can still be tight when they are not at their peak..Adler had never heard the song before..And just needed to look over at Duff..And he knew everything.....Duff + Steven = Tight.

Duff, Slash and Steven went to Chichago for 3 months...I have heard the demos of - Locomotive, Dust N Bones, Don?t damn me, Garden of Eden...All of thoose songs sounds the same as the Illusion-ones..That means that Steven wrote most of the drum-tracks..And i think he could pull the songs of..Of course he could..The Illusion-drums is not hard  :no: But then there is another issue..Drugs  : ok:

You don't get it, so i'm letting it go. This isn't about their performance, and you keep changing what you meant every other post.

For god sake THE LEGEND..A band can?t be untight just because someone in the band is using drugs !!
  :confused:

1. Duff was a drummer before GNR
2. Steven and Duff had been playing with eachother for 5 years
3. Slash,Izzy,Steven,Duff was very,very tight back in the 80?s.....So that?s why Duff and Steven knew eachother pretty damn well at the stage

And that?s what i mean..I didn?t say they were friends..tight..ON STAGE  : ok:  :hihi:

Steven Adler was using drugs...That?s the only way he was fired..Not that he fucked,killed,hit anyone, not htat hte band became buisness..It was just drugs..If he hadn?t taken drugs - Then he would be in the band 91 - 93.  : ok: ..The reason i?m stating this is because you think there was no room for Adler at the big shit..Well..there was..But drugs kills  :yes:

Is that your final answer?

If so, I see your point.

hehe...i meant on the stage...not outside the stage  : ok:

Whoever said that it was Slash that wanted Steven out, that is correct.  Slash went to Axl and told him that Steven was out of his head on drugs and couldnt play and that they had to get rid of him.  Slash was the one who pushed for Steven to be fired - and to think him and Steven were best friends.   :no:

If you read Izzy's interview in Nick Kent's book "The Dark Stuff", you'll see that Izzy said that Steven was "fucked up". This interview is from August 1989, one year before Steven's dismissal...

Every single one of e?m was..Slash died in 93 (?)..Duff turned into a ...welll..something...izzy..left...Axl...he was Axl-...But Stevens problem was the worst..But fucking Slash could have shipped Adler to Rehab and pay a security guard 100$ to beat the shit out of him if he tried to go away.. ;D