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as cool as the fact that axl wants to bring out 3 records seems to be, it also worries me a bit. because it could simply weaken chinese democracy. instead of assembling all the big guns on one record (like a beatles record) and reigning the rnr / music world again, cd could become not as strong as possible. therefor lots of songs that are killers might not ever be heard, for cd flops in the charts. if cd is successful though, it might take another decade till we hear all the finest stuff axl has produced over the past decade.

i agree, it could turn out exactly like illusions, if they took all the best songs from both those albums and put them on to one, it could have been the best album ever, no question!

we don't know how it will happen.
it's been years since axl talked about that.
and everyone who has heard CD says it's amazing.
i'm pretty sure axl has put together this CD very nicely over the past decade.



don't worry.

yeah, but at least illusions were released at the same time!
i don't wanna be too pessimistic, but it's a thought (which i turned into a thread) i often have in my mind.

unfortunately this doesn't mean too much; the same thing was said about vr; everybody in the industry is always wanting to let the public know, that the current project is the best, their artist has ever been working on...

wtf lol i didn't put my argument that way at all

i didn't say "everyone who has heard CD says it's amazing, don't worry"

stop putting words in my mouth and taking them out of context.

my main point was that axl knows what he is doing.

sorry. just wanted to relate to one argument you gave. i'm now gonna delete the "don't worry" part.

I thought there was only going to be 1 disc.

I bet there's 1 disc and then we'll se 1, 2 or 3 more disc's of tracks that never made it onto Chinese Democracy. Just as (some of) the tracks on the UYI albums never made it on AFD.

Also, we might get verious version-s NIN style of Guns N'Roses tracks, as Pittman might have alsorts of ideas.

I despite that opinion more than anything on earth.

So as a gnr fan... youd prefer them to have released less material... simply so it was more commercially successful and held in higher esteem by the crticis?

If Illusions was only 12/14 tracks... then we would be denied 20 amazing gnr songs.

The illusions albums are incredible. I wouldnt change a thing. (ok, cept my world)

it was just last spring when axl said they were recording a song for the 3rd cd. he also said on the trunk show, that they are ?still shuffling songs around, changing tracklists for the 3 cd's.

daviebuckethead may simply be saying that for his tatstes there is only 1 good album of material across both uyi's. thats a perfectly reasonable opinion. he didnt mention the opinion of critics or commercial success.

i agree with him. tho i like the many of the longer songs, so it would be a lengthy single album.

and as a gnr fan, i would simply like to, er, like, all the material they release. if not all, then certainly far more than i dislike, or can simply take or leave.

i don't wanna talking about 3 cd's,just put one

no need to savage me dude! :hihi:

ok, maybe what im trying to say is that the could have taken the best songs (yes the more commercial, wide appeal songs) and put them on one album, and it would have been like the second coming of christ! it would have been absolutely fucking huge!!!! (bigger than it was!)

they could have released the other songs as b sides on the singles to the album or released the other material or an different album!

its just my opinion!

only song that i can hardly listen to at uyi, is "get in the ring"; i think it was ok in '91 to bring out this double-single cd with some b-class songs on it; but after waiting 16 years, with a totally changed line up, you may have to offer more... no fillers accepted, i'd say. even if they put out the 3 albums during the next 3 years; that's the logic and the ideal that - i quess - axl was working towards. i'm just a little afraid that it's not the reality. if it is, i'm the happiest guy in the world.

A group of very talented people have been working on this project for the better part of a decade now. If they haven't come up with two or three albums-worth of killer material in that time then something is very, very wrong. If they only came up with one tune per month between them in that time you're looking at 120 ideas to pick and choose from. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the band has 40 or so good songs in the bank, more than enough for three albums. 

that's what you should think. but if the quality is on such a high level, then why has axl been afraid to release cd for more than a decade? why have silkworms, oh my god and rhiad ever surfaced?

They were still recording for the first cd up until a few weeks ago. Having the songs ready and having a finished recording are two different things. I wouldn't be surprised if songs slated for the following albums don't have lyrics or vocals written yet. Quality doesn't enter into the equation if you don't have anything to release.

This is what I'm thinking has happened too. The only problem with all of it? None of us know what Axl's really got up his sleeve. Maybe Axl himself doesn't even know??? One can only like to safely assume that, whatever Axl does have up his sleeve, it's probably going to blow a lot of people away and freak out a lot of other people.

I predict that GNR are gonna' create a musical juggernaut, a really huge one, that will be hard to contend with and cannot be stopped.

 :beer:

My feeling is that Axl probably changes his mind once an hour and what he said last year or 10 minutes ago may not be the plan now.  That being said, one CD of killer tunes would suit me just fine.  I wouldn't be a huge supporter of the trilogy idea unless all 3 were equally strong.

There is probably no doubt that they have 3 CD's worth of tracks, my view is that some tracks to fill a trilogy still need work.  Given that in 2002 tracks played at some those shows included Chi Dem, Blues, Madagascar, Rhiad and Silkworms (last two that have reputedly been dropped now to be re-worked) the response to those songs was such that a change in much of the material was decided on (even ChiDem has changed in its live form in 2006) ...

Then in 2006 Better, IRS and occassionally TWAT were played live along with Blues/CD and Madagascar.  Response to these songs has been better, so I expect less tweaking on the final versions of these ad others songs shotlisted for the album has been going on since the tour finished.  Hopefully they now feel they have an albums worth of songs that is timely, relevant and can form a significant part of a live show, otherwise it may not surface for a wee while yet....

Anyhow I am sure others may disagree, but it's just a point of view

Axl should've never mentioned three albums. To be honest, to rescue this sinking ship, he needs 1 awesome album - or forgot about number 2 or 3.  If Chinese Democracy bombs (defined - 2 million or less sold), I am going to guess that either Axl quits or the record company does.

Some might say that 2 million isn't a bad number - but when you have put nearly 14 years into a project - expectatons are high! Axl brought this on himself!

that's my argument... would be a shame if some of the best songs can never be heard... for they are on disc 2 or 3. if all 3 albums are very strong, then i'm more than fine with the trilogy-idea.

Axl has been working on and off with a multitude of musicans and producers for the past decade on songs and song ideas.
He better have 3 CDs worth of quality songs by now.
Whether he actually sees it through to release all 3 CDs over the next 5 years is another question entirely, but I would hope it wouldn't have anything to do with lack of quality songs.

While there are people who wish it to be a 10 disc album.....an album of a decade :hihi:

personally(non-commercially), i would want them to release EVERYTHING they have worked on since the end of the UYI tour.

i agree i mean why not? ya never know what might be a hit or not hell if some dip-shit rapper can make a hit song with just him saying the same 5, 6 words over and over and over again anything could be a hit ANYTHING.

i think G'n'R should release everything. Hey Bumblefoots' been answering alot of questions lately some one send him an E-mail and ask him. :D

but first lets worry about CHINESE DEMOCRACY first then we can conspire about whats to come later ;)

They are the best album ever.