Title: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: GeraldFord on August 31, 2007, 12:53:22 PM The Long View
Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president. By Karl Rove The Washington Post scorned President Truman as a ?spoilsman? who ?underestimated the people?s intelligence.? New York Times columnist James Reston wrote off President Eisenhower as ?a tired man in a period of turbulence.? At the end of President Reagan?s second term, the New York Times dismissed him as ?simplistic? and a ?lazy and inattentive man.? These harsh judgments, made in the moment, have not weathered well over time. Fortunately, while contemporary observers have a habit of getting presidents wrong, history tends to be more accurate. So how might history view the 43rd president? I can hardly be considered an objective observer, but in this highly polarized period, who is? However, I believe history will provide a more clear-eyed verdict on this president?s leadership than the anger of current critics would suggest. President Bush will be viewed as a far-sighted leader who confronted the key test of the 21st century. He will be judged as a man of moral clarity who put America on wartime footing in the dangerous struggle against radical Islamic terrorism. Following the horrors of 9/11, this president changed American foreign policy by declaring terror sponsors responsible for the deeds of those they shelter, train, and fund. America, he said, will not wait until dangers fully materialize with attacks on our homeland before confronting those threats. The president gave the nation new tools to defeat terrorism abroad and protect our citizens at home with the Patriot Act, foreign surveillance that works in the wireless age, a transformed intelligence community, and the Department of Homeland Security. And this president saw the wisdom of removing terrorism?s cause by advocating the spread of democracy, especially in the Muslim world, where authoritarianism and repression have provided a potent growth medium for despair and anger aimed at the West. He recognized that democracy there makes us safer here. President Bush will be seen as a compassionate leader who used America?s power for good. While the world dithered, America confronted HIV/AIDS in Africa with the President?s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, which has supported treatment for more than 1.1 million people worldwide, over one million of them in Africa. While most of the globe ignored Sudan and Darfur or refused to act, this president labeled the violence there genocide ? and pressed world leaders to take action. A wide range of human-rights issues ? from the repression in North Korea, Myanmar, and elsewhere to religious freedom to trafficking in persons ? are kept on the international agenda in good part because of this president?s demands for action. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: GeraldFord on August 31, 2007, 12:55:04 PM And President Bush met challenges with new institutions and methods. For example, the Proliferation Security Initiative confronts the transfer of dangerous material and information. And he has reformed America?s foreign aid to focus on results, accountability, transparency, and anti-corruption and pro-democracy requirements.
President Bush promotes economic growth and understands free markets provide the best path to a more hopeful tomorrow. The president inherited an economy entering recession. It was further weakened by terrorist attacks, corporate scandals, natural disasters, and out-of-control spending with discretionary domestic spending increasing 16 percent in the last fiscal year of his predecessor. President Bush took decisive action, cutting taxes and ratcheting down this spending. The results? The net creation of 8.3 million new jobs since August 2003; higher after-tax income and greater incentives for firms to invest and expand; three years where America?s economic growth led the rest of the G7 economies; and a budget on path to surplus by 2012 ? despite the increased spending invested in securing America?s safety by standing up the new Department of Homeland Security and fighting the Global War on Terror. In the four years since taxes were last cut in 2003, the U.S. economy has grown 13 percent in real dollars. The additional growth is larger than the entire size of the Canadian economy. This president also understands our standard of living depends on selling to the globe. The 14 nations with which we have implemented free agreements represent 7.5 percent of the world?s GDP, but 43 percent of our exports. The growing number of free-trade agreements concluded and signed under this president helps explain why American exports have risen 27 percent between 2004 and 2006, creating jobs and prosperity here at home. History will see President Bush as a reformer who focused on modernizing important institutions. He is concerned with fundamental change that will ? among other goals ? strengthen the ways our children are educated and health care is provided. In education, ?No Child Left Behind? introduced accountability into our public-education system by ensuring every child?s progress is measured. Parents now know whether or not their child is learning ? in their own schools, and compared to other schools. This new focus on results helped lead to more improvement in reading scores in five years than in the previous 28 combined. This reform shows that measuring leads to results. Medicare was modernized with a prescription-drug benefit, now used by 39 million seniors. Giving seniors the drugs they need helped them avoid expensive operations and long hospital stays. The result is better health care for seniors at a lower cost to them and at a lower cost than expected to taxpayers. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: GeraldFord on August 31, 2007, 12:55:55 PM The president approached other tasks ? such as legal reform, higher-education assistance, transportation, and conservation and forest policy ? with the same reformist spirit. And he did so on issues which are controversial within his own party, such as comprehensive immigration reform, which he has championed since he first started running for governor of Texas in 1993.
He will be seen as an innovative conservative thinker with a positive, optimistic agenda for action. For example, his proposals to reform health care are drawn from his understanding of the values of competition and markets. A standard tax deduction for health care ? similar to the deduction homeowners get for mortgage interest ? would level the playing field between those who get their health insurance from employers and those who pay for it out of their own pockets and expand the number of families with coverage. People should be able to save tax-free for out-of-pocket health costs. The Health Savings Accounts the president signed into law are the first step toward this. HSAs will help move health care toward a consumer-driven model and away from a single-payer system. More than 4.5 million American families are benefiting from HSAs today. More competition would be created by allowing insurance to be sold across state lines or small businesses to pool risk and would lower costs and increase access. The president has a similar focus on bold changes when it comes to opportunity and poverty. He emphasizes policies, such as welfare reform, that promote ownership and encourage personal responsibility rather than dependence on government. His faith- and community-based initiative is encouraging social entrepreneurship to confront poverty and suffering. Billions of federal dollars can now be accessed by such groups eager to serve a neighbor in need. Already, 34 Democrat and Republican governors and more than 100 mayors of all stripes have created faith- and community-based offices to build on the federal initiative. On energy, the environment, and climate change, he is developing a new paradigm. Emphasizing technology, increased energy-efficiency partnerships, and resource diversification, his policies are improving energy security and slowing the growth of greenhouse gases without economy-breaking mandates and regulation. The president who won criticism by rejecting the failed approach of Kyoto has implemented policies that enabled the United States to grow its economy by 3.1 percent and reduce the absolute amount of CO2 emissions (by 1.3 percent). In these and other areas, history will see President Bush drove policy in new directions, based on conservative principles. He will be recognized as a strong advocate of traditional values. He advanced a culture of life where every child is protected and welcomed. He supported traditional marriage when it came under attack from the courts. He sought to strengthen families and encourage personal responsibility. And he understood the necessity of appointing judges who know the proper and limited role of courts and will provide impartial justice and faithful application of the Constitution. President Bush had the political courage to confront the biggest economic challenge America faces. The looming fiscal crises in Medicare and Social Security will result in either the impoverishment of the American people through higher taxes and lower growth or through the inability of government to deliver on its promises. This president has worked to restrain the spending growth of entitlements, and to modernize Social Security and Medicare by injecting market forces and competition into their operation. He proposed Social Security reform that would solve the system?s long-term financial shortfall while giving younger workers the choice to put some of their own money into conservative stock-market investments. He has made it impossible for future presidents and future Congresses to ignore this challenge. The president?s proposal will be the starting point for reform when it happens. When it does, Americans will be grateful President Bush made entitlement reform an issue and will be aware that valuable time was lost because of the obstructionism of his critics. The outcome in Iraq and Afghanistan will color how history views the president. History?s concern is with final outcomes, not the missteps or advances of the moment. History will render a favorable verdict if the outcome in the Middle East is similar to what America saw after World War II. America?s persistence in Europe and Asia after that war helped Germany and Japan become democracies and allies in the struggle against Communism. If something similar happens in Iraq and Afghanistan, it will change the region and the world. For the first time, millions of citizens across the Middle East will see a working model of freedom in their region ? and it will give them hope for a better future for their children by making America safer for them. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: GeraldFord on August 31, 2007, 12:56:46 PM If the outcome there is like what happened in Vietnam after America abandoned our allies and the region descended into chaos, violence, and danger, history?s judgment will be harsh. History will see President Bush as right, and the opponents of his policy as mistaken ? as George McGovern was in his time.
Beyond his policies and actions, history will take the measure of the man. I have known George W. Bush for nearly 34 years and have had the privilege of watching from nearby as history has placed its demands on him and our country. I know his humility and decency, his intelligence and thoughtfulness, his respect for every person he comes in contact with, his unwavering commitment to principle-based decision-making, and the quiet and compassionate hearts of the man and his graceful wife, Laura. I have come to understand true leadership leans into the wind. It tackles big challenges with uncertain outcomes rather than taking on simple, sure tasks. It does what is right, regardless of what the latest poll or focus group says. History demands much of America and its leaders and I am confident it will judge the 43rd president as a man more than worthy of the great office the American people twice entrusted to him. ? Karl Rove is the president's longtime adviser. August 31 is his last day working in the White House. http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDBkZWQzNWM2ZDIwN2QyMTg4OTUzMjc1ZGFhOTc5OTM Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: SLCPUNK on August 31, 2007, 01:37:17 PM ? Karl Rove is the president's longtime adviser. August 31 is his last day working in the White House. I hope he rots in hell. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: fuckin crazy on August 31, 2007, 03:01:45 PM He shames Atheist everywhere. We don't want to claim him as one of us. It must be a lonely world for him ...
Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: DevilHatesALoser on September 03, 2007, 08:53:31 PM It will be interesting to see what people say in 30 years. I look forward to having my kids come home from school and tell me some garbage their washed up teacher said. I'd be willing to wager people will view Bush more favorably than most presidents from the 20th century.
Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: SLCPUNK on September 03, 2007, 09:00:20 PM That's all the Neo-Con party has left, to argue from a distant horizon, years into the future, from the same crystal ball that brought us Iraq. It's absolutely absurd, but then again, look who falls for it and repeats it.
Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: Lisa on September 03, 2007, 09:21:20 PM It will be interesting to see what people say in 30 years.? I look forward to having my kids come home from school and tell me some garbage their washed up teacher said.? I'd be willing to wager people will view Bush more favorably than most presidents from the 20th century. YEEEAAAHHH, Go Hilary ;DTitle: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: DevilHatesALoser on September 03, 2007, 09:24:59 PM I know SLC posts as Bud Fox, now I'm beginning to wander if you're not Butter's alter ego.? Try yelling "Hil-Dog ROOF ROOF" 20 times in between Nascar matches and I'll know for sure.
Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: The Dog on September 03, 2007, 09:45:26 PM I know SLC posts as Bud Fox, now I'm beginning to wander if you're not Butter's alter ego. Try yelling "Hil-Dog ROOF ROOF" 20 times in between Nascar matches and I'll know for sure. I think you have a big crush on me. How many posts have you made now where you have brought my name up completely out of the blue? are you going to post my real name and hunt down my address next? Sorry buddy, hate to disappoint you, but I'm not into guys. I'm for gay rights though. I kinda recall you not being for gay marriage etc... I know you post as Flagg, King Nothing, Walter O'dim and a host of other names, but are you also Senator Craig in real life by any chance? Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: DevilHatesALoser on September 03, 2007, 09:46:42 PM How ever did you guess?? :-*
Edit:? Are there any public bathrooms in your neck of the woods we could meet at? Edit 2: I am against all government recognition of marriage. I don't care if someone is gay, bi or straight. It is my opinion that tax incentives and benefits should not be given to people just because they got a piece of paper saying they're in love. If you want tax benefits, incorporate. I never understood the concept of saying to your partner "Baby, this relationship is getting so hot and serious, we just have to get a lawyer involved" ::) Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: The Dog on September 03, 2007, 09:48:34 PM How ever did you guess? :-* Edit: Are there any public bathrooms in your neck of the woods we could meet at? I'm sure you've tried looking up my info as you've done with other posters here. and subsequently got banned as a result. yet here you are again. maybe you're the one who should try watching nascar - you need a hobby (and a girlfriend) :rofl: you can make all the assumptions about what sports i like and shows i watch (b/c you can't talk intelligently about the topic at hand or spell most words correctly for that matter) - but the facts are you're an internet stalker. pretty lame dude. but it makes for good comedy for the rest of us. keep it up eh? : ok: Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: The Dog on September 03, 2007, 09:51:15 PM It will be interesting to see what people say in 30 years. I look forward to having my kids come home from school and tell me some garbage their washed up teacher said. I'd be willing to wager people will view Bush more favorably than most presidents from the 20th century. YEEEAAAHHH, Go Hilary ;DWOOF WOOF Hil-DAWG! hahahah :rofl: Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: DevilHatesALoser on September 03, 2007, 09:51:30 PM Come on, calling me an internet stalker is getting old. ?You've tried to bring up me being banned in like the past 5 posts, trying to get some attention are we. ?I never have been "an internet stalker" nor will I be. ?Although it doesn't suprise me you were so easily duped into believing I was. ?You seem to be quite gullible and will believe whatever the popular crowd is saying these days.
Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: The Dog on September 03, 2007, 09:53:56 PM Come on, calling me an internet stalker is getting old. You've tried to bring up me being banned in like the past 5 posts, trying to get some attention are we. I never have been "an internet stalker" nor will I be. Although it doesn't suprise me you were so easily duped into believing I was. You seem to be quite gullible and will believe whatever the popular crowd is saying these days. i only call it like i see it. you went out of your way to find out someones real name and posted their name on here. You dug up as much info as you could about them. I was hardly the only one who thought it was creepy and a total scum bag move. you going to deny all of that? and i don't need attention from you - you keep including me in all of your posts without any provocation from me. its equally creepy, but a little flattering. i've never had someone stalk me on the internets. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: Lisa on September 03, 2007, 09:56:22 PM Come on, calling me an internet stalker is getting old. ?You've tried to bring up me being banned in like the past 5 posts, trying to get some attention are we. ?I never have been "an internet stalker" nor will I be. ?Although it doesn't suprise me you were so easily duped into believing I was. ?You seem to be quite gullible and will believe whatever the popular crowd is saying these days. I know it is hard to swallow the truth...be that as it may, it is still the truth. You were banned here previous for that exact reason...short memory or you just have a problem with confrontation when it hits too close to home?Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: DevilHatesALoser on September 03, 2007, 09:58:37 PM ::) ?I never went out of my way and I certainly didn't post everything I could. ?Although me defending myself against these attacks show how weak your arguments are, I only called SLC by his real name. ?Information he made public and was brought to my attention by someone else. ?I have repeatedly appologized for doing so, but as we all know, SLC likes to make things personal so I made one of my post personal. ?He then distorted everything, lied about what happened and you and a few other bought it hook, line and sinker. ?Did SLC tell you who posted pictures of me on his website? ?I thought not. ?
But go ahead, distort what really happened and try to label me as some nut job. ?What kind of background check and clearance do you have butters/hanna/towelie? ?I know I'm stable ?: ok: ?Are you? Edit: Why aren't you guys jumping your boys shit for threatening to release Sterling's info? Or do you suffer from blind loyalty. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: The Dog on September 03, 2007, 10:05:41 PM ::) I never went out of my way and I certainly didn't post everything I could. Although me defending myself against these attacks show how weak your arguments are, I only called SLC by his real name. Information he made public and was brought to my attention by someone else. I have repeatedly appologized for doing so, but as we all know, SLC likes to make things personal so I made one of my post personal. He then distorted everything, lied about what happened and you and a few other bought it hook, line and sinker. Did SLC tell you who posted pictures of me on his website? I thought not. But go ahead, distort what really happened and try to label me as some nut job. What kind of background check and clearance do you have butters/hanna/towelie? I know I'm stable : ok: Are you? again, I'm not the one posting personal information or making juvenile comments or insulting peoples country's b/c they are different than mine or not as "powerful and strong". what happened on other peoples sites, i have NO clue. i only know what happened here and that at least a dozen different people were pretty shocked and appalled by it. All insults/jokes aside - you were banned. Why'd you come back? as for being stable - lets see who calls out who completely out of the blue next.... The last 24 hours or so of posts have had their funny moments, but you've taken it to an ugly place (the same way you took it to another level by posting someones real name). I'm sure everyone else is as bored with it as I am too. If you want attention from someone on the internet, it ain't gonna be me. I'm sure you'll try to goad me into a "who can insult who the most" match, but it'll be a one man fight. You're kinda creeping me out with all the attention you've been giving me lately. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: DevilHatesALoser on September 03, 2007, 10:09:51 PM Haha, and yet you keep posting trying to bait me to reply. Sounds to me like you're envious of SLC am are hoping someone will pay you some attention. Trust me, I have no interest in getting into a pissing contest with you. You're definitely not worth it and wouldn't be up to the challenge.
Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: SLCPUNK on September 03, 2007, 10:12:53 PM Information he made public and was brought to my attention by someone else. I never gave my personal name out to anybody. You're buddy Brody went looking for it (he had to pay money in order to do so I might add) and you then sought that info from him. Then you came here and used my real name as a bully tactic. That is what you were shit canned for. Too bad they can't ban people for lying. You'd be banned after every post. :hihi: Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: Lisa on September 03, 2007, 10:16:34 PM Information he made public and was brought to my attention by someone else.? I never gave my personal name out to anybody. You're buddy Brody went looking for it (he had to pay money in order to do so I might add) and you then sought that info from him. Then you came here and used my real name as a bully tactic. That is what you were shit canned for. Too bad they can't ban people for lying. You'd be banned after every post.? :hihi: Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: DevilHatesALoser on September 03, 2007, 10:24:46 PM Information he made public and was brought to my attention by someone else.? I never gave my personal name out to anybody. You're buddy Brody went looking for it (he had to pay money in order to do so I might add) and you then sought that info from him. Then you came here and used my real name as a bully tactic. That is what you were shit canned for. Too bad they can't ban people for lying. You'd be banned after every post.? :hihi: That's bullshit.? You advertised your website GodLovesGeorgeBush.? Website domain ownership is public information.? He never paid for anything.? ?And I certainly didn't ask him for it.? Back when he and I IMed, he brought it to my attention and I thought it was kind fo cool.? After many posts of you attacking me, I called you by your real name.? And you call me a liar? :hihi:.? You of course went on to say I posted your SSN and mother's maiden name. You (Bud Fox) even came here and claimed I was stalking your old girlfriend, called your house and sent you death threats.? This was all deleted by one of the mods of course because it was complete bullshit. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: Lisa on September 03, 2007, 10:28:23 PM Information he made public and was brought to my attention by someone else.? I never gave my personal name out to anybody. You're buddy Brody went looking for it (he had to pay money in order to do so I might add) and you then sought that info from him. Then you came here and used my real name as a bully tactic. That is what you were shit canned for. Too bad they can't ban people for lying. You'd be banned after every post.? :hihi: That's bullshit.? You advertised your website GodLovesGeorgeBush.? Website domain ownership is public information.? He never paid for anything.? ?And I certainly didn't ask him for hit.? Back when he and I IMed, he brought it to my attention and I thought it was kind fo cool.? After many posts of you attacking me, I called you by your real name.? And you call me a liar? :hihi:.? You of course went on to say I posted your SSN and mother's maiden name. You (Bud Fox) even came here and claimed I was stalking your old girlfriend, called your house and sent you death threats.? This was all deleted by one of the mods of course because it was complete bullshit. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: DevilHatesALoser on September 03, 2007, 10:32:44 PM I have no guilt, but I have apologized and admitted I was wrong. I've never tried to hide who I am, Walter O'Dim is another alias for Randall Flagg. Anyone who has read Stephen King (and there are many on this board) would know that. If I wanted to hide who I was, I surely could. In fact, I might be able to break the coveted inner circle if I really wanted to :nervous:
Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: Lisa on September 03, 2007, 10:42:13 PM I have no guilt, but I have apologized and admitted I was wrong.? I've never tried to hide who I am, Walter O'Dim is another alias for Randall Flagg.? Anyone who has read Stephen King (and there are many on this board) would know that.? If I wanted to hide who I was, I surely could.? In fact, I might be able to break the coveted inner circle if I really wanted to :nervous: ooooo sounds so scarey...I better hurry and hide all my personal info before you and Brody team up on it....I am sorry to say that you , could never be confused with the 'inner circle' as you call it...and wtf is it anyway? care to enlighten me Mr Know It All? Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: DevilHatesALoser on September 03, 2007, 10:46:20 PM I have no interest in getting any information on you Lisa. Brody only got info on SLC after SLC and crew ridiculed the poor guy for serving his country by being in the navy. They took his information that he posted as proof and posted gay ads on craigs list. I won't make that mistake and fall for the bait and submit my personal stuff here. But I've grown tired of going back in forth with you over inane shit. I wave the white flag for today.
Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: SLCPUNK on September 03, 2007, 11:50:12 PM Brody only got info on SLC after SLC and crew ridiculed the poor guy for serving his country by being in the navy. Just like Rove, you never stop lying. (Just trying to stay on topic here...) I asked the same thing of Brody that I ask you. Why wasn't he serving in Iraq? You both seemed to have joined the military for all the wrong reasons. Among them, you use it as a platform to announce what cowards we all are. Yet, both of you are still here online never once having set foot in the very war you so proudly promote. Brody couldn't take it, so he went crying to momma. You couldn't take it, so you used me real name, a true Karl Rove tactic if there ever was one. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: DevilHatesALoser on September 04, 2007, 03:49:40 AM ? ?Brody only got info on SLC after SLC and crew ridiculed the poor guy for serving his country by being in the navy.? Just like Rove, you never stop lying. (Just trying to stay on topic here...) I asked the same thing of Brody that I ask you. Why wasn't he serving in Iraq? You both seemed to have joined the military for all the wrong reasons. What reasons should I have joined for? This of course is ignoring the obvious fact that you don't know my reasons. And while you can knock me all day for not being in Iraq, you'd have to be a real moron to knock Brody. The guy signed up to be in the Navy on a Submarine. There's not a whole hell of alot of things for a submariner to do in Iraq. But god bless him for serving. That man has done more for his country in a few years than you have done or will do your entire life. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: SLCPUNK on September 04, 2007, 03:54:45 AM You seemed like the only reason you joined (him too) was so you can mouth off about joining and "serving". You come off as a complete farce. Many in my family served, I can think of half a dozen of my friends, off the top of my head, who served, and none would ever talk like you two do. In fact, the way you two act, is an absolute disgrace to our service men and women. I'd bet most people here would agree with that assessment.
Navy personal are in Iraq serving, don't act so naive. Brody is no man, and neither are you. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: DevilHatesALoser on September 04, 2007, 03:59:25 AM Yea, they're called corpsman.? If you knew anything about the military you'd know that people are trained for specific jobs.? Brody was trained to be on a submarine, they don't use them in Iraq, don't be such an idiot.? And if you're telling the truth about your friends, I'm sure you don't talk to them as you talk to anyone who opposes your opinions here.? I'm sure you don't call them fascist.? And with all due respect to all servicemen and woman, I really don't care what some lower enlisted Reservist or Guardsman think of the war - because they joined for all the wrong reasons.? But let's assume that your pals don't fit into that category.? You know nothing of how I handle myself when I'm in uniform or in my public life, only how I respond to a hateful, bigotted and mis-informed person such as yourself.
People shake my hand and thank me everyday.? When is the last time someone walked up to you and said thank you for serving?? I'm willing to bet never. : ok: Edit:? Why the hell would I give two shits what you and your pals think of me?? If you dislike me that means I'm doing something right.? I take that as a great compliment that I don't represent what a soldier should be to you.? And while I don't know Brody from Adam, I would say he's more of a man than you and your wife could ever role play.? As for myself, I know I'm a bigger man than you could ever dream of being, even in your He-Man costume. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: DevilHatesALoser on September 04, 2007, 04:04:16 AM SLC, just because you lack any credentials doesn't mean you should lash out at anyone who does. :no:
Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: Skeba on September 04, 2007, 04:07:39 AM I never understood the concept of saying to your partner "Baby, this relationship is getting so hot and serious, we just have to get a lawyer involved"? ::) Oohh... A Doug Stanhope reference. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: DevilHatesALoser on September 04, 2007, 04:09:33 AM I never understood the concept of saying to your partner "Baby, this relationship is getting so hot and serious, we just have to get a lawyer involved"? ::) Oohh... A Doug Stanhope reference. Glad somebody caught it! ;D Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: SLCPUNK on September 04, 2007, 04:37:24 AM I'm sure you don't talk to them as you talk to anyone who opposes your opinions here. Well, I'd admit, most are against the war. But the ones who are not, do not act like you do. You know nothing of how I handle myself when I'm in uniform or in my public life, only how I respond to a hateful, bigotted and mis-informed person such as yourself. I find this VERY difficult to believe. This is coming from a guy who thinks old people should basically rot away, that we don't owe them anything. That our poor deserve what they get, and we should not give them a dime of our money/aide, help. I'm sure you are the same guy in public life, on the inside anyway. People shake my hand and thank me everyday. Airport lavatories? Edit: Why the hell would I give two shits what you and your pals think of me? If you dislike me that means I'm doing something right. I take that as a great compliment that I don't represent what a soldier should be to you. And while I don't know Brody from Adam, I would say he's more of a man than you and your wife could ever role play. As for myself, I know I'm a bigger man than you could ever dream of being, even in your He-Man costume. LOL, that actually cracked me up. Even at this late hour, thanks. I'll be thinking of you tomorrow by the pool in my he-man outfit. :hihi: Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: Bill 213 on September 04, 2007, 04:47:49 AM You seemed like the only reason you joined (him too) was so you can mouth off about joining and "serving". You come off as a complete farce. Many in my family served, I can think of half a dozen of my friends, off the top of my head, who served, and none would ever talk like you two do. In fact, the way you two act, is an absolute disgrace to our service men and women. I'd bet most people here would agree with that assessment. Navy personal are in Iraq serving, don't act so naive. Brody is no man, and neither are you. I agree totally! ?As you may already know.....The B-Dog, as I've named myself, served four+ years on active duty in the regular army from 1998 until 2002. ?100% to the point, I signed up for the Army for the same reason as any other sane person signed up......the money and college tuition. ?Not to serve Clinton or Bush's agendas, not to conqour Iraq, not to rape and kill children or torture, etc....I signed up for the moolah. ?The Army is nothing more than a job and that's how you have to look at it. ?I threw on my BDUs every morning the same way little Timmy puts on his Burger King shirt and goes to work. ? As far as that whole "I LOVE BEING THANKED....IT GIVES ME A MAJOR HARD-ON HOOOAH" type that these guys come off as......there is a percentage of that in the military and they are a disgrace. ?But that's how the military survives.......those are the ones that will stay in for 20 years and train other soldiers to find the ones just like them. What's super hilarious is......this guy is putting down the Reservists and Guardsmen and those are the guys that are on the front line doing the fighting...while this guy is laying back in a barracks room playing Madden '08 or chatting on this message board ?:rofl: about getting thanked for fighting the good fight. ?It's sort of like the cool by association thing I suppose. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: GeraldFord on September 04, 2007, 04:49:34 AM Why do you even bother SLC?
Wouldn't you rather be masturbating? Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: The Dog on September 04, 2007, 10:36:33 AM You seemed like the only reason you joined (him too) was so you can mouth off about joining and "serving". You come off as a complete farce. Many in my family served, I can think of half a dozen of my friends, off the top of my head, who served, and none would ever talk like you two do. In fact, the way you two act, is an absolute disgrace to our service men and women. I'd bet most people here would agree with that assessment. Navy personal are in Iraq serving, don't act so naive. Brody is no man, and neither are you. I agree totally! As you may already know.....The B-Dog, as I've named myself, served four+ years on active duty in the regular army from 1998 until 2002. 100% to the point, I signed up for the Army for the same reason as any other sane person signed up......the money and college tuition. Not to serve Clinton or Bush's agendas, not to conqour Iraq, not to rape and kill children or torture, etc....I signed up for the moolah. The Army is nothing more than a job and that's how you have to look at it. I threw on my BDUs every morning the same way little Timmy puts on his Burger King shirt and goes to work. As far as that whole "I LOVE BEING THANKED....IT GIVES ME A MAJOR HARD-ON HOOOAH" type that these guys come off as......there is a percentage of that in the military and they are a disgrace. But that's how the military survives.......those are the ones that will stay in for 20 years and train other soldiers to find the ones just like them. What's super hilarious is......this guy is putting down the Reservists and Guardsmen and those are the guys that are on the front line doing the fighting...while this guy is laying back in a barracks room playing Madden '08 or chatting on this message board :rofl: about getting thanked for fighting the good fight. It's sort of like the cool by association thing I suppose. i have a friend like this to, just constantly talks about the military and how he is in the military and he'll use any opportunity he can to tell complete and total strangers that hes in the military. of course hes never been anywhere near a combat zone. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: SLCPUNK on September 04, 2007, 01:54:11 PM Why do you even bother SLC? Wouldn't you rather be masturbating? It just doesn't have the allure it did when I was younger... (OK, I'm lying.) Check out this hot 1-on-1 GOP action! This is from the movie "I-da-hoe part 1: Larry's lip balm" (http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/8300/bushdoggyup5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us) (http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6749/bushprincekissgz7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us) Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: Lisa on September 04, 2007, 04:35:57 PM well said JMack....so..just thinking here...does that mean he (Dim) could be army reserve? one weekend a year type thing? or don't they do that any more in the US? sorry for my ignorance...but great post : ok:
Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: DevilHatesALoser on September 04, 2007, 05:59:56 PM Ok, I shouldn't be responding right now, but this kind of bullshit requires a response. I am an acitve duty Army officer in an expeditionary unit.? With all respect JMack, you can take some of that bullshit rear echelon shit and shove it.? Marines and Soldiers are the ones risking their necks day in and day out.? I respect everyone's service and am no way trying to belittle Combat Support or Combat Service Support, but there is a difference.? My comments about reservists and national guards men were that they sign up for the college money and to dick off one weekend a month.? I was in the reserves while I high school, so I know first hand experience how they think and act.?
People trained with MOSs for Submarines aren't dodging bullets.? The Army isn't using corpsman, we have our own medics.? You want to debate with teh big boys, get be prepared to be called on the bullshit.? Simply put, someone who signed up to be on a Sub won't be expecting to have boots on the ground.? Naval Commander have very little influence at all on what is going on in Iraq.,? It is a ground war that is being led by the Army (General Petraeus) and a few Marines. I have nothing against combat support or the reservists who answer the call of duty.? What I hate is people who signed up for easy money and a one weekend drinking fest who open their mouths when they have to fulfill their contratcs.? There have been alot of college students who signed up for the money and then cry foul when they have to go - I have no doubt these constitute the majority of SLC's imaginary friends. I do however resent the fact that you're claiming all branches are equally making sacrifices for this war.? THAT IS FUCKING BULLSHIT!? No other branch but the Army is 100% on the ground for 15+ month deployments.? God bless all service members, but please don't try to lump yourself in with the guys who have put boots on the ground. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: DevilHatesALoser on September 04, 2007, 06:02:09 PM Oh and JMack, before you go on a rant about commo, know who you're talking to. I am a commo expert and commo is one of my main missions. Some of my Joes are solely responsible for the internet and radio access among troops. We aren't using submarines to communicate when we have SIPR through Sattelite.
Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: DevilHatesALoser on September 04, 2007, 06:07:20 PM well said JMack....so..just thinking here...does that mean he (Dim) could be army reserve? one weekend a year type thing? or don't they do that any more in the US? sorry for my ignorance...but great post : ok: You're not excused. Don't come here to insult me when you have no idea what you're talking about. If JMack considers you one of the "well versed debaters" then I lose any respect for his post. I can carry an intellectual conversation with the best here, but as per usual, I spend the majority of my time defending against personal attacks. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: Lisa on September 04, 2007, 06:15:50 PM When was the last time you put your 'boots to the ground"? It seems easy for you to be sitting back be Mr Army man when if you were really half the man you claim to be, you would be fighting and putting your life on the line for your glorious country...is that not correct? If you are so gung-ho about the war why aren't you volunteering for reassignment? get your boots dirty by doing what you do best, sling bullshit. You are a little,ignorant man, a misogynist who doesn't like when a woman questions his abilities , or lack there of in this instance. You tell me I am retarded and uninformed about what goes on outside of cunuck town...you are equally as bad, if not worse in your ignorance. You just can't seem to see the forest for the trees Mr Randull. You seem to think YOU are the only one who knows what is going on, the only ONE who has the 'inside' army info on how things work...do you not expect to be called on it by others who serve as well? JUst step back and admit that you do not know everything, you are not an expert on anything...merely a man who hides behind a title from the army and too scared to really help out. You consistantly piss me off with your immense ego and someone needs to knock you down a few pegs.
Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: Lisa on September 04, 2007, 06:17:36 PM well said JMack....so..just thinking here...does that mean he (Dim) could be army reserve? one weekend a year type thing? or don't they do that any more in the US? sorry for my ignorance...but great post : ok: You're not excused.? Don't come here to insult me when you have no idea what you're talking about.? If JMack considers you one of the "well versed debaters" then I lose any respect for his post.? I can carry an intellectual conversation with the best here, but as per usual, I spend the majority of my time defending against personal attacks. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: fuckin crazy on September 04, 2007, 07:50:56 PM Quote "you can take some of that bullshit rear echelon shit and shove it." Oh and JMack, before you go on a rant about commo, know who you're talking to. I am a commo expert and commo is one of my main missions. Some of my Joes are solely responsible for the internet and radio access among troops. We aren't using submarines to communicate when we have SIPR through Sattelite. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: DevilHatesALoser on September 04, 2007, 08:01:21 PM Don't lie Lisa. ?I have never treated you any different because you're a woman. ?If I appear to talk down to you, it's because I find you to be quite lacking in the intellect department. ?You're not able to stay on topic and play follow the leader religiously. ?You even admit in your own post that you have no idea what is going on by trying to equate me with you:
Quote You tell me I am retarded and uninformed about what goes on outside of cunuck town...you are equally as bad, if not worse in your ignorance. The only problem is I am quite educated and informed on many topics. ?I have never claimed to be 100% right and without error, only one person claims that around here. ?If you or any of the other yahoos here knew thing one about the military, you'd know you don't get to pick and choose where you go. ?I spoke with my XO 2 weeks ago requesting to be sent over. ?It's just not going to happen because my unit as a whole is scheduled to go. ?I have been told if our situation changes in 6 months, he'll put my packet in to get sent over. ? And before I allow you hooligans to distort what I say any further, never once have I claimed that not serving makes one a coward or invalidates their arguments. ?I am against the draft and don't think everyone should serve in the military (although part of me thinks making everyone serve two years in at least a civil service job wouldn't be a bad idea - earn their citizenship ya know?). ?What I don't respect is people who have never served thinking they have a valid opinion on anything military. ?And what really gets me going, is people who have never done anything for their country yet call themselves brave patriots. ?We have alot of the latter here on this board. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: DevilHatesALoser on September 04, 2007, 08:03:10 PM Quote "you can take some of that bullshit rear echelon shit and shove it." Oh and JMack, before you go on a rant about commo, know who you're talking to. I am a commo expert and commo is one of my main missions. Some of my Joes are solely responsible for the internet and radio access among troops. We aren't using submarines to communicate when we have SIPR through Sattelite. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you're calling me rear echelon because I deal with some commo, you'd be gravely mistaken. I'm half tempted to list my unit, cause I know that would shut you up. But, my opinions are my own and in no way represent the Army or any political party. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: fuckin crazy on September 04, 2007, 08:15:36 PM What I don't respect is people who have never served thinking they have a valid opinion on anything military. Anyone who pays taxes in this country has a "valid opinion on anything military". Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: DevilHatesALoser on September 04, 2007, 08:23:53 PM I agree to an extent. Of course they should have say on when it should be used. But the last thing I want is the Ann Coulters and Michael Moore's of the world lecturing the military on how it should be run. A good example is women in combat. A plumber shouldn't give a surgeron advice on how to operate; neither should civilians on the military.
Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: fuckin crazy on September 04, 2007, 08:34:21 PM Damn, I actually agree with you.
Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: Kujo on September 04, 2007, 09:11:56 PM Wow, guess all those times I had to rush to get my gas mask on and those two years I spent in country didn't mean anything.
Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: SLCPUNK on September 04, 2007, 11:44:28 PM The only problem is I am quite educated and informed on many topics. You are nothing of the sort. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: DevilHatesALoser on September 05, 2007, 12:15:19 AM Classic Response? : ok:? As long as you disagree with me, I'm doing something right.? You're about as big of a blowhard as they come.? When you're 80 years old and look back at an empty and meaningless life, remember that somewhere out there I am laughing.
Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: Timothy on September 05, 2007, 12:25:10 AM Classic Response : ok: As long as you disagree with me, I'm doing something right. You're about as big of a blowhard as they come. When you're 80 years old and look back at an empty and meaningless life, remember that somewhere out there I am laughing. Since you can see the future tell the lotto number for this week. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: SLCPUNK on September 05, 2007, 12:41:35 AM Since you can see the future tell the lotto number for this week. Hey Flagg, maybe you can tell me how these stocks will do this week: (NYSE: SUK) (NYSE: MY) (NYSE: COCK) When you're 80 years old and look back at an empty and meaningless life, remember that somewhere out there I am laughing. Well lets see here shall we....Over the last year I took a 3 week ski trip..how about you? That same year I traveled to NYC, LV and finally took a week down in Miami. How much free time did you get? You can call me stupid all you want, but I don't hear an alarm clock, I don't sit in rush hour traffic, my cars are paid for, I have zero bills, and can do whatever the hell I want. I was able to sock away well over 20 percent of my net earnings into investments which made me over 13 percent last year. How did you do? I took today off, because I fucking felt like it. How about you? On the other hand you are handing out socks and underwear while 18 year old girls fight in Iraq, and in your spare time manage to get banned from a popular GnR message board. Man, where can I sign up for that?!?!? So, uh..yea....I'll take my life, thanks. Edit: Grammar. ;D Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: Bill 213 on September 05, 2007, 01:57:31 AM Since you can see the future tell the lotto number for this week. Hey Flagg, maybe you can tell me how these stock will do this week: (NYSE: SUK) (NYSE: MY) (NYSE: COCK) ? When you're 80 years old and look back at an empty and meaningless life, remember that somewhere out there I am laughing. Well lets see her shall we....Last year I took a 3 week ski trip..how about you? That same year I traveled to NYC, LV and finally took a week down in Miami. How much free time did you get? You can call me stupid all you want, but I don't hear an alarm clock, I don't sit in rush hour traffic, my cars are paid for, I have zero bills, and can do whatever the hell I want. I was able to sock away well over 20 percent of my net earnings into investments which made me over 13 percent last year. How did you do? I took today off, because I fucking felt like it. How about you? On the other hand you are? handing out socks and underwear while 18 year old girls fight in Iraq, and in your spare time manage to get banned from a popular GnR message board. Man, where can I sign up for that?!?!? So, uh..yea....I'll take my life, thanks. Yeah, but come on dude....how many people shake your hand everyday and thank you for being soooo awesome. :rofl: Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: SLCPUNK on September 05, 2007, 02:03:24 AM Yeah, but come on dude....how many people shake your hand everyday and thank you for being soooo awesome. :rofl: That's probably from his part time job as a greeter at Walmart anyway....I'm sure he'll still be there when I'm 80, he can laugh at me then, after he tells me which aisle the he-man costumes are on. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: Lisa on September 05, 2007, 05:38:43 AM The only problem is I am quite educated and informed on many topics.? You are nothing of the sort. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: DevilHatesALoser on September 05, 2007, 10:46:15 AM You are just a little, hateful liar aren't you? If you're going to attack me, at least do it based on something I said. I've never made a single sexist remark towards you or any other female on this board. Typical liberal ploy, right out of Jesse Jackson's book. Call me a taboo name enough times and maybe people will accept it. You really are a moron Lisa. Go back to doing laundry and being a house wife, let the people who work for a living (men and female) do the talking.
You really are a classy girl, wishing me personal harm. I could have wished a 100 people some tragedy, but it's rude and shows just how retarded you are. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: fuckin crazy on September 05, 2007, 02:35:50 PM ^You have earned the respect of more than one liberal on this board. Though, I may not always agree with your positions, they are presented in a concise and intelligent way.
Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: The Dog on September 05, 2007, 02:41:13 PM ^You have earned the respect of more than one liberal on this board. Though, I may not always agree with your positions, they are presented in a concise and intelligent way. agreed. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: SLCPUNK on September 05, 2007, 05:15:52 PM ^You have earned the respect of more than one liberal on this board. Though, I may not always agree with your positions, they are presented in a concise and intelligent way. Frankly, he had me after the deaf guy in the bathroom stall bit.... Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: Lisa on September 05, 2007, 05:19:40 PM You are just a little, hateful liar aren't you?? If you're going to attack me, at least do it based on something I said.? I've never made a single sexist remark towards you or any other female on this board.? Typical liberal ploy, right out of Jesse Jackson's book.? Call me a taboo name enough times and maybe people will accept it.? You really are a moron Lisa.? Go back to doing laundry and being a house wife, let the people who work for a living (men and female) do the talking. wrong again, on ALL counts..shows again how your immense ego prevents you from rational thought.You really are a classy girl, wishing me personal harm.? I could have wished a 100 people some tragedy, but it's rude and shows just how retarded you are.? Why do you insist on calling me a liar? please tell me where I lied in any of my posts...since I do not do it in real life I'd doubt I'd start here of all place. As far as I am concerned, you should watch how you use the word 'retarded', some may take offense to you using it out of context. Also while I am on my soapbox(left over from the laundry you understand) since you are not really a man,just a boy spewing bullshit,perhaps you should take a page from your own book and zip your lip and let the big people talk.My personal attack on you IS based on something you said..infact, EVERYTHING you have said is ignorant or biased, the world as you see it and you are so busy trying to cram your beliefs down everybodies throats that you cannot even see what an egomaniac you are.Even with a name change you are still the ignorant fuck you were before.As for wishing personal injury on you...so what, at least it may give you enough time to lose your condescending speech patterns while you recuperate.The only reason you respond in kind is because my statements infuriate you as much as yours infuriate me.Fuck, give us all a break and go to war already. ::) Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: stolat on September 12, 2007, 12:37:49 AM ? I've never made a single sexist remark towards you or any other female on this board.? Hello, remember me. So you've never made a sexist remark to any female on this board. Let me refresh you memory, sir: See thread - Robert "Bob" Allen creating new jobs for African American's in Florida - reply #33. To quote you: "I know you are competing to be the dumbest poster on the board.......go back to pretending you're a pretty princess..........." Why, that's sexism at its ugliest. Title: Re: Advisory thoughts on the 43rd president- by Karl Rove Post by: DevilHatesALoser on September 12, 2007, 01:45:37 AM Go look for attention elsewhere. No one cares that you're still pretending to be a woman.
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