Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Your comments on this song.




/jarmo

i didn't see a Sorry thread so i thought i'd start one

when i went to the myspace page i gave first this i love a listen and loved it and couldn't help myself so i listened to Sorry and i i must say that i think Sebastian gave a mis read to the song saying that it was so dark and doom like it made me expect really heavy griding guitars and maybe it had all that at one time who knows given the fact that all the other songs have went through so much transfermation maybe it was like that at one point but not now. However i was still impressed by how great the track really is. I really hope that its played on the radio in the near future. Maybe it'll even have more songs make it to the radio then AFD, that would really be fucking cool.

i'm hoping that every song on the album gets played not only on the radio stations we usually listen to that just play the rock n roll we all know and love but i hope it gets air time on radio stations known for just playing rap and pop music ya the types that just play the new shit that we all can't stand barely. if it gets on there i know that CHINESE DEMOCRACY will truely be successful

:peace:

killer song .

Baz was right with the doom metal thing .

The song makes me think its about Slash ? anyone else think that ?

i think its about Slash as well

i wouldn't go that far to say he was completely right because personally i think the song is to mellow to be Doom metal.

When i heard the term Doom metal i was thinking along the lines of something that was a hard rocker song only slowed down, which it is, only more heavy and bassy if that makes sence. I don't know its hard to explain but still a damn fine song

I get what your saying, but if you go but the definition of Doom metal I think he was right.

Interpretations are in the ears of the listener. That being said its a fucking awesome tune!

here here :beer:

something i'd really like to know is why we didn't get to hear the one where Baz is on it? i have to imagine that he doesn't feel to good about it getter scraped (no pun inteaded) since he let Axl sing on his record :-\

Sounds to me like its about crazy fans.

I think it's about Slash aswel. "Truth is the truth hurts"

But I can't hear Bach too good.

What a guitar solo right there in the middle :drool: :drool:

This song was the highlight of the listening party for me.  Just standing in Roxy with this song blasting, seeing its effects on people.  Awesome, awesome song.

*raises hand*

o/

Quite hard to see anything else. It's either about Slash or something we're totally oblivious to.

12 posts about this track and noone has mentioned Bucket yet?  Buckethead makes this song as far as I'm concerned, the lead fills, the rhythm guitar during the chorus, the epic solo and the awesome outro.  Well done mr Carroll!

great song.I love this song more thasn This I love

me too
sorry is my favorite

2 words: KILLER SONG

maybe I am uninformed, but You know as a 'statement' that it is Bucket? to me it sounds more of Fortus/Finck deal ... but I maybe completely wrong

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guitars : buckethead, robin finck, bumblefoot
acoustic guitar : robin finck
guitar solo : buckethead

thank You! and yes, great work from Mr. Bucket

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Yeah it's a great song and Bucketheads solo is awesome. One of the best solos on the cd.

I had to get past THAT line before I could appreciate it, but I love it now. Could take Patience's place in the live shows, not that I'm directly comparing the two and I'm sure there'll be room for both  : ok:

these lines do it for me:


and


clearly a dig at a certain someone we all know....especially the shut up and sing line....wasn't that what they were all telling him in the early nineties...?

very well done, this song is great.....oh, i also think its about us in a way....plenty of indication in there about annoying ones who think they know everything....so it must be about us....

I think its about everyone thats hurt him and criticized him over the years about this album and what's happened with the band. He even mentions people who think he owes them something.

NOBODY OWES YOUU.....

NO NOT ONE GOD DAMN THINGGGGG!!!

Until I got to This I Love this was my favorite on the album. Sorry, This I Love, Catcher, and Better--that's the big four for me. There's a lot going on in Axl's tone throughout. The lyrics are sort of funny and sarcastic throughout. I could see how someone would maybe take them the wrong way but I think this is sort of the mature, brilliant version of Get in the Ring.

Bucket's solo is beautiful too.

too fucking right.........'doom metal' describes it perfectly....the song is so different but total kick ass

Before the powerful chorus. Which has that doom metal feel, (black sabbath groove more like)

The verse bits, i love them. That strange trippy sound, reminds me of some songs from the first smashing pumpkins album.

I mentioned it in my review of CD. Bucket kills. Great fucking solo. I could listen to it all day for that solo. WOW is all I can say. I was blown away. I hear Bach just fine he brings some added umph to the song. Quality track but the solo bumps it up a notch for me.

I have very little positive comments about this song. The brooding nature of it is cool but I guess I just don't get the lyrics. It's actually the delivery of the lyrics that I don't get. Example; the "but I don't want to do it" line in the first verse. I don't care who this song might be an attack on, I care more that it could've been more effective. The pre-chorus, chorus and solo stand head and shoulders above the rest of the track.
3/5

one of the best songs ever!

i'ts epic, like Baz said!

It's a toss up between this and Madagascar as my favorite tracks from this album.

I'll go out on a limb and say that I sense a Pink Floyd-ish vibe/sound in this song.

I would go as far as saying this is one of the greatest songs from GN'R - EVER!

Along with Better, Street Of Dreams and There Was A Time----Sorry really moves me and makes me proud to be a huge fan of Axl and this GNR.

Those are the big 4 for me on this record. I wanna love the hard stuff but it's only a strong like no matter how hard I try. The riffs are killer on these four tracks though.

The album is only half the story really, the other half being an epic Axl interview describing 'the making of' and his inspirations for the songs.  For example I enjoyed AFD, but the album really filled out for me when I found out the stories and people behind WTTJ, My Michelle, Sweet Child, etc.

definitely. I thought that the first minute in.  So far, my favorite on the album.

Best song on the album !!

should be the next single (with a video)  :beer:

I agree.  Anyone notice that this song is in three quarter time?  You can count the beats in threes just like on some of Pink Floyds material, for example "Shine on you crazy diamond".  This is a very unusual time signature for hard rock, and GNR in particular.

My favorite song on the album.  I actually, the day after the NYC listening party, added a quote from the song to my posting siggie here at HTGTH.

It's brutal, and hard, and biting, and the solo that kicks in around the 3 minute mark (thanks Myspace streaming for letting me get an EXACT time!) is just awesome.

Out of all the REALLY strong material on this album...this is the best of the best for me.  There's lots of other stuff I love (IRS, This I love, TWAT, Better), but this is the creme de la creme for me....

The ONLY part I don't like is "the line".....and I can live with it to get the rest of the song!

Its one of the best songs of the album, and this is one of the best albums ever so...

Love the Floyd-Zepp influences! Love The whistling!!

I actually think Adler....but that's just a guess.

I actually thought there were parts of it that might allude to Weiland..but I think the song predates their dust up. 

 :hihi: well...I suppose it's some sort of an ironical private joke...
maybe for Slash ("ah, you didn't want to do this song, asshole, so I don't want to be cool neither")
can't say what sort of accent he used here, if he immitate some guy we knows, of if it's a cinematic reference...

Good call. I didn't think about the fact that only the person there are meant for might get the delivery.

I think it may have to do with Velvet Revolver as a whole?  But it all depends on when it was written.  "Truth is nobody cares about you" amongst other lyrics leads to believe that regardless of the rest of the band moving on with a new name and new material..."Guns N Roses" with just Axl Rose seems to be inevitably more popular...and people seem to care more about Axl and his material than Velvet Revolvers...??  Perhaps??

Just a thought...

Ok, Im still holding out until Sunday for This I Love and the rest of the album(in proper form) but I have listened to the studio version of Sorry(Myspace). I was going to wait until I write my complete review but I feel the need to talk about this song....
my thoughts on "Sorry"...
EPIC CITY!. It might be the best song on the album. and its one of the best songs in GNR history. I dont know where to begin. I think Baz was right in a way. The beats and pace of the song are grinding.

After reading the lyrics and not dloading the song I thought it was going to be like a whiny axl song or a poor me type deal. Man, was I so wrong. Axl is making a statement with this song. Hes saying Im Axl Rose and I am king of the land again. But hes not just saying it, the way he delivers is what makes this song. And he can talk with such a swagger because he has a band again. Musically this song is amazing as well. So war like. Like Axl and the band are taking us on a fukin war march or something...

I understand that the "But I dont want to do it" line comes out of left field but I think its pretty cool actually. This is why I love Axl....Why? Because in the very next line he says "You dont know why I wont act the way you think I should".....genius!

When I heard that 2nd verse? (The Not Caving in verse), I literally got chills. The way he sings that verse is simply amazing.

The song could come right off of "Electric Tears" by Buckethead. Bucket is amazing. As i have said for years....and I will say it even more proudly and loudly now.....BUCKET AND AXL ARE MAGIC! CASE CLOSED.

This song also reminds me of Pink Flyod as well. And a little of John Lennons "Working Class Hero"

Axl and the band really shine on this song. Axl has such a swagger and bravado in this song. Axl does the opposite of what we think he will sing about. He tells Slash and all the haters to shove it up your ass. I love it. I truly love it. He tells his side of the story in a very meaningful and memorable way. Axl is a genius.

and tell me if  Im wrong here....Axl is mocking Scott Weiland  in the last verse? With how delivers the vocals.  When I first heard that vocal delivery I instantly thought of Weiland either in STP or VR. Cant think of the song but I think that is how Weiland sings sometimes....listen from 536 on.....If that is the case then its fukin genius! and balls.....wow

This song is simply amazing. Its so heavy and lyrically I love it. I would love to hear and see slashs reaction when hes driving and listening to this. hes gonna be pissed. I wish Axl would have recorded the sounds of his gate to his house for this song. Put the opening of the gate at the start of the song and the slamming of the gate at the end when the music dies down.

For some reason I envisioned "The General" to sound like this song. I dont know why.

Cant wait to hear the album from start to finish. And I cant wait to hear THIS I Love.

Really like this song. Don't think it is specifically about Slash at all.................I think it is about anyone who put their pen to the paper and tried to tell Axl how he should 'act' and 'think' - press, girlfriends, family, band members etc

I love it and can't stop listening to it.  :beer:

i finally broke down and listened to this song. i can't give a true review until i hear any of the new songs on a great sound system. i think they are too "thick" for an average stereo system to give them justice.

with that said, this song is fucking unbelievable. i'm speechless. Axl is so successful at creating a certain mood in many of his songs. there's a darkness to this song that is so freakin powerful. it gives me the chills.

as for who it's about....something tells me that Slash is the obvious guess, and that Axl wouldn't make it that clear.

like someone in this thread said, it could be about all the people that collectively put pressure on him to do certain things. obviously, this is just a wild guess on my part and nothing would surprise me. something tells me we'll never know for sure.  

awesome song! One of my favorites!  : ok:

I think the songs about everyone that said things about him.

Be it the press starting rumours, like the delaying a show for a meal.

Or Slashs statements in his autobiography.

The song i also feel is talking about us, the forum goers, the fans. "They" when he talks about us being numbed and such!!!

Great fuckin song

I LOVE IT

i love the weird voice axl uses to say 'but i don't want to do it.'  at first i was like -- WTF?  but now it's one of my favorite things on the album.  i wonder if axl recorded a whole version of the song in that voice but only used that one line.  it'd be cool to hear him sing that way more of the time.

kick ass chorus.  one that you can sing along to!  and the mixture of acoustic guitars and whistling... pure axl!

BEST SONG ON THE ALBUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I think Axl is really talking to him self, like his Bi-polar side... Its like he two sides of his brain are fighting.....  I love the passion in Axl's voice. The mix, the production.  Tasty solo by Bucket.  My favorite on the album by a mile.

afriend of mine heard a rumor this song was about adler and that could also be the case

he mentioned the reference to "shut up and sing" as somethig adler said

Maybe it is possible that Axl is a big fan of the movie "Forgetting Sarah Marshall".  There is that whole bit of the Dracula musical and it could be possible that the line "I don't want to do it" is a little spoof of that movie.  Maybe?

Here's a link:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_8GXidgNWc&feature=related

The "but I don't want to do it" line wasn't as pronounced as I thought it would be, reading reviews the other night. In fact, I had to go back and listen to the song a second time, just to hear it.

This is the only part I can't get over with this song...I hope it was deliberate...for me it hit me like a fart in church from first listen.  I like the song, but think it is one of the weaker ones on the album.  Maybe 3/5 stars.

This song just smokes! It is up there with any of the GNR classics. I love this song, it just reeks of Floyd. I Love everything about it (the vocals and Guitar). The album is awsome but this song, just does it for me. Incredible! 

This is clearly the best song n the album.  The songs on CD are so very different from each other.  That's one thing Ilike about GNR, they don't have a sound per se.  Listen to Better, Sorry, If the World and Prostitute in order and you would never know they are from the same band except for the vocals.  I'd put this song in the same category as WTTJ and Paradise City.  From a production standpoint, it's even better.

We all wanted Axl to deliver and many of us had our doubts along the way.  Well he did it folks!  He set out to do accomplish a huge task and throughout all the doubts and (I'm sure) self doubt, he delivered in a big big way!

Kudos my man!!

Listen. This fucking kicks so much ass. It makes me think "Yea Motherfuckers fuck you!"

This album is so sooo good. I can't even seem to be able to wrap my head around it after multiple listens. Its been years since I experienced music like this. There is such a timeless quality to it. Chinese Democracy 4 ever. I am in love.

I think it could be about Slash, and if it is I'm confident that there will never be a reunion, and CHINESE DEMOCRACY will live on forever.

Probably for the girl?... Love the blues feel!!  Love it!!!
Heavy lyrics, but honest ...

 Very happy to be a fan and part of this!  Even if it took half my life

Great song, and I've heard alot made of Axl's "Mexican Vampire or Count Chocula" voice when he says "But I don't want to do it"

Well after it was built up into so much, I didn't think it was that big of a deal at all. I love this song, and I laugh at that part every time.

Listened to the album now for the 15th time or so...  : ok:

For me this song is one real good motherfucker!
The best song on the album. Really strong!!! My absolute favorite. This could be a real great single and become a 'new' GN'R classical one
 ;)

I don't care if it's about Slash or someone else, it's just a fucking amazing song that moves you. It let's you think about real life situations anyone can experience...or has experienced.

Fuck man, the song is now playing....amazing  :drool:

GREAT fuckin song! i think its about Slash as well. lol it could be about any who told he could not do this with out him. 5/5  :beer:

Me too  :love:

Yeah, X2 Buddha!  Well said.  I am blown away by every bit of this record.  I have not one complaint.

This is absolutly fantastic song!!! really good feel in thisone! I love it!!

Gotta grab some headphones so I can hear Bach.

I'm not one to exaggerate, as you cans see in the review of most of the songs. However, this is already one of my favourite songs ever. I can't stop listening to it. Its addictive.. The best song on the album and one of the greatest GnR tracks ever. Musically, its Pink Floyd but even better, it builds and builds into an awesome and heavy chorus that will stick in your head forever and forever. That Buckethead co-wrote this track and fires off a wonderful bluesy solo that would make even the great Slash himself green with envy, further reinforces his importance to this process and the disappointment
he is no longer around. He is now officially on of my favourite guitarists ever. What a combination he and Axl made.

This is Axl's most direct, venomous assault on his foes; all the media whore references strongly suggest Slash is the victim of Axl's animosity. Axl pulls no punches in telling his side of the story. In addition, Axl rejects any feelings of sympathy from his former bandmates. While they may look at Axl and feel he has a loner and a hermit, he sees it differently and has no envy for Slash's media-centred life. Axl wouldn't change a thing and regrets none of his decisions. He even goes as far as to tell his ex-bandmate that "nobody cares about you." Ouch!!!

What maked GN'R so great is the diversity..And this song strays from everything they've ever done..Pink Floyd fans will flip...Axl's voice(s) is/are great in this...So far my fav.!!!!! Great encore..

Pink Floyd was my favorite band until I got into Chinese Democracy era Gn'R... and they're still my second favorite band.  And I do love Sorry!  The solo is like Dave Gilmour on steroids.

This is  starting to become one of my favorite GNR songs. I love the lyric "You don't know why I won't give in. Hell with the Pressure, I'm not caving in". I can defintely relate to that in sooooo many ways!!!

I was thinking it was directed to Weiland more than Slash..

It'll be interesting to find out the true inspiration someday!

Sorry is a great surprise on the album as I had not heard it before today...awesome song.

I also think it may be about Slash - well its the first thing that hit me.

Its such a powerful song, has a different feel to other songs by its musical arrangement.
There is so much going on in this song its brilliant...I love it and the lyrics are so deep, clearly means a lot to Axl.

I am really impressed by home much of himself that Axl has given in this album emotionally - really is worth saying and appreciating.

Pure genius

songs simply cant get better than this.

this is the most devastating song since You Oughta Know.

the last 45 seconds or so is just sick.

A+++

cant hear bach on it ...
mabye I need better headphones/speakers.

For me, this is the song that I find myself playing over and over again. I def think its about Slash and also directed at some fans/critics.


I cant help singing "you know where to stick your (guitar) reference to Slash???? Just shut up and sing (Axl biting his own lip)?...

Thats my interpretation anyway....

I thought Baz was going to be on this song?  ???

Baz is on there but he is very faint much like Shannon Hoon on Dont cry

Baz sings in the chorus, and he does a fantastic job imho.  However he only does backing vocals, so naturally he'll be low in the mix.

at least you could hear shannon very well, i still don't hear baz's harmonies and shit he talked about :-\

Yeah, he's there. I had to put on head phones tho. My mac speakers doesn't do thins thing justise.

Awesome song!

Those last 45 seconds are amazing. They make you want to jump out of your skin.

Axl sounds like fuckin' Frank Zappa in the coruses. Yet another voice from god himself! Amazing!

Called "Sorry for you" in the booklet.

Whistling?  Tell me where to listen, I haven't heard it so far?  (Then again, my mind is blown when I listen to this song :hihi: )

I don't hear any whistling either and I am listening to the song right now.

I think that the song can be aimed at several different people, and might not just be about one person...although there are a few lines in there that definitely seem to be aimed towards Slash..just my interpretation though....it could be about unicorns for all we know :hihi:..only Axl knows for sure...

It is? Where?  Or are you making fun of all of the errors in the booklet? :hihi:

Somebody commented on this verse before in a different thread and I agree that the "but I don't want to do it" at the beginning is a little weird sounding...but since the song is so fucking badass other than that...it really doesn't bother me all that much....everything else about it is simply amazing....that one part is a bit odd though...

it is actually called Sorry for you on the page where all the initial production and stuff is ;)

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Wikipedia says Baz wasn't credited as performing on "Sorry". Are we sure his vocals actually made the final mix?

Those kinds of credits are usually attributed to some kind of "Writing" into the song...whether it be lyrically or musically.  I remember in "You Could Be Mine", Elton John was credited in it...while he clearly didn't make any sort of appearance in the song...

AAaaahhhhh.... I see it now!! Good find!!  : ok:

The only this I dont like about this song is how so many "reviewers" call it a "ballad".   One of my favorites on the album.   Baz was right on....I cant get it out of my head either.

I hear some synths that I mistook as whistling at first, I bet that's what he means.

thanks  : ok:


Wikipedia says wrong. Background vocals: Sebastian Bach


well to me it sounds as whistling also ... somwhere around "truth is the truth hurts" ...


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I hear whistling right at 5:30

Ahh Now I hear it!!  I have the bass turned up now, I think that's why I heard it this time (for some silly reason)

Listening to this via strea makes me go grrrrrrrr! Is it Sunday yet? But ya know, I'll give this a 7 out of five, and that's ok, because ratings in this universe don't apply to music that sounds as if it's from a much more awesome parellel universe.
My take on the increasingly infamous accent line would be that somebody he knows perhaps overused this in an "encouraging" way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ2HcRl4wSk Let me know what ya think.  : ok:

I remember listening to this song yesterday for the first time, and I was just glued listening to the lyrics that the music and sound just totally passed me by. The lyrics send such a statement.

wasnt sebastian supposedly singing in this song?  ???

He is. During the chorus... But he is bearly unhearable - very low in the mix. With my headphones I didn't notice anything but my $1K stereo boxes let me hear some Savage Animal...

^ yeah, Ive listened to the track a few times now, and I can't really put my finger on when Sebastian appears.

Its amazing how awesome this sounds with headphones. U hear a lot more than what u do without.

Niiiice... A Savage Animal reference!

Bach sings from 2:07 to 2:35 and again from 4:42 to at least 5:30, maybe even to the end of the song.  He does a good job imho.

Still cant hear Bach HAHAHA!

I cant here him either,
but then again I have very average speakers.

Is Baz singing the 'Not Sorry For Me" in the background?


can't tell if its he or Axl, I picture Baz playing pinball and just belting that out! HAHA

All of the songs are incredible, but 'Sorry' is my favorite right now. I wasn't sure how I felt about it at first, but now I can't stop listening to it. I've been listening to it all day. Thank you Myspace.

Am I alone in thinking this isn't about anyone in particular, but more of a "If the cap fits" dig at those that have crossed Axl over the years. It seems to me that at an "in therapy moment" he's rounded them up, thrown a few darts and decided that his demons can be dealt with by writing down his thoughts ( a recognised technique for dealing with anger/the past)

A great, great song, should be a single in my opinion.

Same feeling! Great song, it's easily to say the song is about past members or so...people are too quickly making that link, but maybe it's totally not the case

this might be the best song of the album, t's so hard to say, there's so many :hihi:

there are a couple of "oh uh oohs" in the background of the song
i think they are the harmonies baz talked about

one of my favorite songs on the cd. with headphones you can hear bach doing the backround vocal for sorry for meeee..

I think it's probably about slash/ex gunners. 

a big "fuck you" to whoever it's about.

good tune, dont see myself jumping to it on my ipod though. 

I think it's awesome. The whistling part reminds me of patience in a weirdly subtle way.

The solo has a very awesome "Prince" feel to it which for me makes it even more amazing!


The flanger effect on the guitar is awesome as well.


I love the venom in Axl's voice when he goes into his high part. Thats some GNR Lies era Axl Rasp right there. The parts like "no body owes u a god damn thing"

The bite with that venom gets u right through the speakers.

I FINALLY HEARD THE FUCKING WHISTLING

I felt like Willam in Mallrats who couldn't see the fucking Sailboat!

So does Bach sing on this?

Allegedly


I still haven't heard him

the booklet says background vocals. and yes he does sing on it.

I still can't hear axl whistle......  Fuck... 

He whistles in the background during the line "Truth is the truth hurts, don't you agree."  He does it to the same melody as the vocal line

It's very clear on a stereo (or probably with headphones) but hard to hear on the computer

There are definately backing vocals during...


But it doesn't definitively sound like Baz one way or the other. Could be a female or two layers of Axl vocals.

Ive been listening very very close and I think Baz sings the "Not Sorry for Me" line in the background.

i hate the part where he sings 'dont want to do it' near the beginning.........about 38 seconds into it, kinda sounds a bit nerdy i guess
i think he also reminds me of  'david bowie' around the 1.13 mark when he sings ' i wont give in'....kinda cool in a way

Axl sings the line 'dont want to do it'  in a very similar voice to the late Dennis Wilson.

Me too.  I went jogging with the album on my Ipod to listen to it the whole way through (8 miles!).  When that part came on it literally stopped me in my tracks.  It sounds like either a bad impression of an East Indian person (Apu?), some nonsenical voice like you would do with your friends in high school, or an inside joke as someone mentioned earlier.  When I played the song for my girlfriend she was into it but burst out laughing when she heard that line.

It doesn't ruin the song for me but I wish he "didn't want to do it".

Its like he watched Forgetting Sarah Marshall or something..............

There has to be a reason behind that voice. he mocking the way someone speaks or something.

I just keep listening to this track and This I Love,

it has to be my favourite 2 songs on the album...

I cant choose between them.

From the AV Club review of Chinese Democracy:

On the aforementioned "Sorry," Rose suddenly sings an otherwise innocuous line ("But I don't want to do it") in some bizarre, quasi-Transylvanian accent, and I cannot begin to speculate as to why. I mean, one has to assume Axl thought about all of these individual choices a minimum of a thousand times over the past 15 years. Somewhere in Los Angles, there's gotta be 400 hours of DAT tape with nothing on it except multiple versions of the "Sorry" vocal. So why is this the one we finally hear? What finally made him decide, "You know, I've weighed all my options and all their potential consequences, and I'm going with the Mexican vampire accent. This is the vision I will embrace. But only on that one line! The rest of it will just be sung like a non-dead human." Often, I don't even care if his choices work or if they fail. I just want to know what Rose hoped they would do.


I thought that was funny :hihi:

Yeah, "the line"... I have a hard time getting past "the line".

I've written elsewhere that... mexican vampire is almost too vague... I'd pin it down exactly as Count Chocula singing the opening lines to Tom Petty's "Breakdown"... "I don' care if you love me... I don' care if you don'..." and, much like the AV Club, I can't fathom where it comes from. I certainly hope, as y'all theorize, that it is some kind of in-joke with whoever the song is pointed at, to make said party aware that its about them without giving it away to the rest of the free world. I... certainly hope so. Because it makes no damned sense otherwise.

Aside from "the line", I like it but... I don't know, it feels like its from some other album that it would fit into the flow of better and it suffers for it... similarly to how I feel about "If The World"... I feel like I'm kind of liking it less than I should because it sticks out so very much from the rest of the album. Those two feel like they're sort of from a different project than the rest of the album.

I don't know. I like it but... there's two different contextual things kind of riding against it that push it down on the list on the album, overall.

I think it's pretty clear he's imitating someone, so what? ::)
Who the fuck knows, it's up to him what he wants to do on his own record, even it's an inside joke or stab! He didn't make the album to please fans in all possible ways. It could even be a stab at Slash, everyone knows that lazy fuck didn't want to do what was required. I'm not going to speculate, but just be open about it and stop being hung up on one goddamn line.

That line is clearly a mimic of somebody who's challenged an order, as in your boss telling you to sweep the pavement in front of the shop. If it was you the order was directed you say " I don't want to do it" as your position is not to do this, you feel that it devalues your role - the responce of somebody who lives by the mantra "do as I say" as oppososed to "do as I do"

I think Axl's dissing the "Do as I sayer" in a way that makes them look small. Axl don't suffer fools gladly, its his  right to say "If you are gonna use me to advance your self-importance, at least do as your fucking told. Nobody is so fucking important that they don't have to the shit work  sometimes"

That's my take on it anyway.

The 'line' is clearly Axl making fun of someone or something. It is sung that way on purpose !

Personaly, I fucking love it, it's like arrogant or something :yes:

The fact that some don't get it is frightning ...

love it love it love it :beer: :beer: :drool: :drool:

Exactly...the way he says it could be in direct reference to a converstaion or an impersonation of somebody it's aimed at.

I love the line. It fits with the sarcastic tone of the rest of the lyric. My favorite tune on the album at present.

i've finally heard baz, and the whistling, this might be my favourite song, i think sorry or TIL :yes: :beer: :drool:

I will give all my money to the next stripper who dances to this song!!!!   :peace:

how did you manage to do that? I still can't hear a thing... and I event tried with my Sony headphones... :-[

I can hear the whistling (its the same volume as axls voice),

but I still can't hear Baz.

listening with headphones in my bed, repeating it ;D mostly in the chorus i think, but also at other places i think

yeah i just heard it as well

Great song maybe my favorite at the moment.  : ok:

I hear the whistling

no baz................................


what exactly is baz singing and maybe I'll be able to hear it.

"but i don't won't to do it" will be the second most mocked thing on the record besides the Scraped intro.

Probably. But Sorry is a better song than Scraped, so we'll get over it.  : ok:

Finck's solo in TIL is getting a lot of complaints too, but I think that's overblown.

You can really hear Baz's screaming at 5:27 and throughout the chorus....just listen closely.  

yeah, I hated it at first, but now I think Finck did a great job.

My first impression when hearing this part of the lyrics was that Fez - that caracter from That 70's Show - was singing. I mean, c'mon!

Great song though, one of the best songs of the cd! :peace:

This song really surprised me. For me it was the easiest, straight forward song, to get into on CD, but also the most complex in feeling. So, ya, good song. Good work Axl!

a.

Love it.

Love the vocal changes, love the restrained anger...

No, my stereo is not broken but i stll have a hard time to har Baz at all !!

Besides that : This is one hell of a fucking killer song.
The way the lyrics are adressed to whom the fuck ever. The way the words come out of Axl's mouth. The arrangement of the song and the guitar parts.
Damn that is a cool song

i wish i could stop listening to it but I DON'T WANT TO DO IT  :hihi:

 

In a perverse way, this track wouldn't be half as good if Axl wasn't fucked about by people over the years. I can't condone abuse and all that, but if you think about it, you can't write and sing a song like this from a place of calm.

Its good to see that he's gotten his head together and used his experiences creatively and got a reward for his troubles.

This song is one of my favorites of any song that exists lol.

The emotional extremes this song goes through is what makes me like this song.

So far, I've interpreted the song Sorry as being directed towards his former band mates. The line "just shut up and sing" could be a reference to the complaints of his tendency to go off on "rants" during concerts.

Or it could mean something as simple as telling them to stop talking shit.

Killer track, one of the album's best. Though honestly, every song seems like the album's best.

I think this is my favorite song on the album. Anyone think this kind of has an Alice In Chains feel?


Best line on the album:

You talk too much
You say I do
Difference is nobody cares about you

 : ok:

I FUCKING FINALLY HEARD BAZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


U can hear him in the background during the chorus singing the high pitched parts.

I think I just died and went to heaven. I'm floored.

I was intending to listen once all the way through, but I had to stop here to pick myself up off the floor.

I think it has a Sabbath feel to it and harsher lyrics than I've ever heard from Mr Rose.

Who could ever accuse Axl of talking to much?

I think this song is about Slash!

10/10  : ok:  Vocals are excellent.

My favorite song on the album!!!!!! Its slow, but heavy...love it! Not sorry for me....
Jbat

Great song,
im still looking for baz in the song,
one of the bests songs on the album without question.

The more louder you listen to this song, the more you can appreciate it.   

Baz sings the high part of the chorus. Lisen closely. Axl is doing the lower, Baz is doing the high.

Axl is back...this song might be the best on the album.  Ask me 5 minutes from now and I'll tell you I'll like something else....THIS I LOVE and SORRY..WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : ok: : ok: : ok: : ok: :beer: :beer:

you close your eyes, all well and good, i'll kick your ass like i said that i would....

gotta love it

instant strip club classic! ;D

solid ass track.  Woke up the last two days with the song stuck in my head, so that means it has that sticky effect...

not a music afficiodado, so I cant articulate my thoughts all that well.  All I can say is "Best Album Ever" (In Simpsons Comic Book guy voice...)

Is that about Vince Neil? :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

My two favorites on the album. They really blew me away!!! : ok:

i think this song is about scott weiland

I think it's actually about Axl and Slash. The lyrical trade-offs sound like a conversation between the two of them a long time ago.

Got the album, today, and having heard all the demos, 'Sorry' was the song I was looking forward to sitting down with the most. And all I can say, is WOW! Listened to it several times now, this song is fucking awesome.

As for Baz's "doom metal" quote, I can see where he was coming from, but I wonder if a previous mix was heavier, which would make sense. Very Pink Floyd feel throughout, almost like Pink Floyd working out a metal song with Buckethead playing guitar. Axl's vocals are amazing, and you can just feel the sarcasm seeping through the track. I can hear the whistling in the spot described earlier (subtle but very cool), can't really hear Baz but there is clearly a double-tracked vocal during the chorus, it could be several Axl's singing (he likes to do that), but one of the voices is most likely Sebastian.

I always hated the "It's about Slash" discussion for every new leak, lol, but I do think this one's about Slash. Fits right in with Axl's comments about how "Slash lies, that's what he does", and for some reason I got the sense he's referring to Slash's book, although it's more likely the song was written prior.

As for the "Mexican Vampire" line, it is a bit jarring at first, but I love it. I'd say this post pretty much sums up what I was going to say about it's origin:

No, somebody (Slash or whoever the song is about) obviously told him "Just shut up and sing" and he is telling them where they can stick that comment.

Awesome song btw.

The song is about more than Slash

I think its about Slash but mostly the fans to be honest.

How many times on this forum have we heard "Axl doesn't owe u anything?"

NObody owes u, not one god damn thing.


Its also about the fans with the "Just shut up and sing"   back when he'd do his rants etc


so yeah, there are parts about slash id imagine, parts about the old band in general, parts about the fans and parts about other people in his life that have hurt him or whatever.

I really don't see the Slash thing at all,  it's about the fans IMO.  Too many lyrics in it don't work in reference to Slash.

There is a if-I'm-rubber-you're-glue quality to those lyrics that I don't really care for.  :nervous:

This has become one of my favourite songs ever. I think I've listened to it like ten times today, I can't get enough.
I love how it builds into tht sabbath-like chorus.
I think that it might be about the fans. It can be about a lot of persons/things at the same time, but reading the lyrics made me think about us :P

The "But id dont want to do it" part really don't bother me, when I read about that before I heard the song I thought that it would be much worse than it was. I love that sighsound he makes in the beginning which can be found on Don't Cry too.
The chorus at 4.40 always sends chills down my back :hihi:
 The part that starts at 5.36 might be my favourite thing on the whole record.

I disagree. It may be about more than Slash (my second choice would be "everyone") but the quoted parts fit Slash 100%.


This is clearly about not staying true to your artistic vision, i.e. selling out. In the very essence it's about VR vs. GNR and Axl vs. Slash. Axl knowing he got under Slash's skin by the comments he's made over time.


And this one would translate to "Keep dreaming that any of your bands would ever equal GNR. You had it, you lost it. My band (GNR) will be superior just as I said".

Actually, I'm a little troubled by your lack of clear signs of sarcasm in your post...

Sorry if i have my own oppinion about the song.

Erin Everly,daughter of Don Everly from the Everly Brothers, dated and later married with Axl Rose the singer from the L.A. clubband Guns N' Roses. The Everly Brothers where an well respected band back in the days. Ever tought of it what the reaction was of her father when he founded out that his daughter dated a singer from a clubband? Axl wasn't probably good enough for his daughter and Axl did everything he could so that Erin choosed for him.

You know that i Got under your skin => about how true the love was between Axl and Erin.
You sold your soul But i won't let you win => about how hard it has to be for Erin to choose between her family and Axl.
You talk too much You say i do => about Erin's idea to get married and how she talks too much about it.

this is hands down, my favorite track on CD!!  :love:

it's unique, kick-ass, hard-ass, and Axl's vocals are just haunting!!!

the only thing that i wish, is that i could hear Sebastian Bach's vocals more in this song. this song is spot on PERFECT for him to sing, as well.  :peace:

this is my 14 year old's favorite track on CD, as well. (and he doesn't agree with me too often! LOL) 

i think it's about the fans, and just to the world, in general.

One of my favorite lines from the song is "You talk too much, you say I do...the difference is nobody cares about you". Oh dang. 0wn3d.

I think you can narrow it down with who it's about if we could pinpoint when it was written.  Most of the tracks on the album were written many many years ago and tweaked for years and years.  The Scott Weiland and VR stuff has happened pretty recent (compared to how long it took to release the album).  My guess is it was written much longer ago than to be about Scott Weiland and VR...but I don't know for sure.  If it indeed has...it could be about really anybody that has been in a confrontation with Axl... Most of the people that have a problem with Axl all say the same things and do the same things anyway (which is why even the VR and Weiland philosophy works here too)...so it literally could be any and all of them...

that shit rocks! kinda agree with everything you said, except what it's about..

i think it's about the ones he feel sorry for, slash he feels sorry for the sad bastard, the hater fans he feel sorry for, then there's plenty of shit we've never heard of in axl's life, especially the last 15 years that it could be about, who knows, who cares, i think every one can interpret it however they want, if slash feels targeted, he probably should be

This is one of the best GnR songs i have ever heard! Its so fucking badass! Love it !  : ok:

WOW! LIKE HOLY FUCKIN SHIT!!

When I first heard this song, I was like eeh, its good. But it just didnt floor me like some of the others on the record. But then this song just has a way of fuckin creepin on you and I just keep finding myself singin it. Its now one of my favorites on the record. It has this weird way of being catchy, but in the total opposite way of how Better is catchy. Its so fuckin awesome. The music is perfect and Axl's voice is venomous. Amazing amazing song!

Reminds me a bit of "No Quarter". People were on the money with their descriptions of the song. Needs some more listens for it to fully sink in.

I really like this song, it's in my top 4 for sure.

I wish they would of explored this side more.

I liked the drippy echoes and acoustics in the song. Great stuff...

I've seen someone describe the song as some kind of marriage of Pink Floyd and Black Sabbath, which is actually not too far off. This song definitley creeps up on you. Excellent stuff. Axl really gets his message across, aided by some amazing production and musical direction.

Punches slow, hits hard.

"Truth is the truth hurts, don't you agree.  It's harder to live with the truth about you than to live with the lies about me."

Wonder who this is about...Awesome line though...

Awesome, awesome song, really interesting lyrics and the solo's just  :drool:

Nice song this... One of my favourites after a couple of listens. Good simple foundation.

I can see what people mean about that one line at the start though. I'd completely forgotten to listen for it and then it dropped out of thespeakers like a lead balloon. lol

Can you imagine this one live.. It'd make for an awesome sing-a-long..

no i know who it's about. ::)and it suits her im sure.did i say hidden message to someone ?
 :o

It's like the end of the verse of Lucky by Radiohead on a constant orgasmic loop! I love it!!

This song draws you in like a dark smoking bar in a shady part of town, the lyrics "You close your eyes, All well and good, I?ll kick you ass, Like I said that I would" great line, and Axl's voice really make me feel Sabbath undertones, then the guitar solo kicks in and smashes you in the face!  This is by far my favorite song on this wonderfully amazing cd! Merry mothafuckin Christmas to me :beer:  and all my fellow Gunners on here who waited for so long!

Thank you Axl, for traversing the treachrous seas of bullshit to bring this music to us!

This is probably my favorite song on the album right now.  I know that some mentioned a doom metal sound to it, I don't really consider myself that knowledgeable in metal to be able to classify it as such, but what I hear in the song is a very heavy, late 70s/early 80s kind of vibe to it, it reminds me a lot of the kind of music from the sound track of the film "Heavy Metal." 

A brilliant song.

sorry and this is love me two favorite songs right now cant stop looping them
 : ok:

I love this song and think the solo catches the mood beautifully, very skid row like, like somthing scotty hill used to do.

In terms of who its aimed at, my guess is Merck Mercuriadis.  He didnt get a thank you on the inlay card, he brought in lots of people to push axl along and used the internet to fuel the flames and force a release. He finished his resignation? speech with the following.. ending of course with..I am sorry;

"PS I apologize to all the fans irked by my facetious comments regarding the release date to Rolling Stone magazine. They were meant to poke fun at a magazine that had announced a definitive release date, causing us all lots of grief, when none had been set. Unfortunately many of you took them to heart and for that I am sorry."

Nice thought but I think its a case of "If the cap fits"

So if Slash (or whoever) says did you write sorry about me? He'll get the reply, If the cap fits....

I keep reading the comparisons to Pink Floyd regarding this song, but to me, it sounds more like old-school KISS.

That said, it's a good song that keeps growing on me the more I listen to it. Some stinging lyrics by Axl on this one.

Great Review YG!!!   Other than This I Love (which is on a whole other level) I am having a hard time picking ONE favorite...   this track and Prostitute... are front runners up there - way up there...  and There Was A Time and If The World are so insanely good and just so huge -  they're way up there too... with CITR... along with Better, Street of Dreams and Rhyiad... and Madagscar)  haha!  thats like 10 tracks!    ;D



Takes ya back to Albany Pepsi Arena 11/27/2002 "The truth is that they're a bunch of bad cops and I'm the fuckin Serpico and they can 'suck my dick'!"   :o

Sorry & TWAT for the win.  :beer:

Upon my first listen I thought Slash. Then after a few more spins it seems to be targeted at a few people, the media, and actually some fans.  It also seems like a response to VR's Set Me Free which Slash said Axl requested a copy of.

I think its about Slash, haters, and anyone else who has been in his way over the years or who he feels has lied over the yrs...

The way he sings the last verse reminds me so much of Weiland with STP or Vr. I cant place the song but I know that is how I have heard Weiland sing before. Or maybe Im just dreaming. But if he is mocking Weiland like that its pure greatness

Axl is a perfectionist and an artist who takes his art really seriously.

You really think he would change his way of singing just to mock Scott Weiland? He is a singer not a comedian  : ok:

well if the song is to drive home a point what better way than to do something like that in such a subtle way??
not saying he is. Its just when I first heard that vocal delivery it reminded me of how Weiland sings sometimes.

1. Axl would never waste a single note of CD on Scott Weiland.

2. Even if the song was (partially) about Scott Weiland (which IMO is not) Axl would never change his vocals in order to imitate Scott.

 He takes his art way too seriously to do that. This is a thing a guy like Eminem would do, not something that Axl would do.

I would otherwise agree with this assessment. Except that it comes from the guy who just a year ago was whole-heartedly defending Slash and his book full of lies from the few of us who were stating exactly what is implied in this song. Wow, how people change in such a short time....

You've got all the answers
You know everything
Why nobody asked you
Is a mystery to me

I'm sorry for yoooooooooou..........

never said the song or any of the lyrics were about Weiland

Get a life dude. I have no idea who has told the truth and who has lied over the years. I always figured it was somewhere in the middle. Please show me the comments where I whole heartedly defend Slash. I probably said what I am saying now, in that the truth probably is somewhere in the middle. Im sure you never implied shit. You assumed that everything Slash has said is a bunch of lies. And Im sure there is some truth to that but dont act like you know what the hell is going on. Aside from a few comments on the 02 tour no one knew exactely Axls side of the story that he kept implying on that tour.

Slash wrote a descent book on GNR. Were there lies in it? Maybe. Im sure there were. But does that mean Axls version of his story is 100% true ?Maybe, Maybe not. Im glad you take notes on what my opinions are and re hash them several years later. Well done

As for me changing in such a short period of time???Are you serious? I never knew I was considered a Slash lover. Thanks for making me laugh : ok:

Love the song but I don't think it's about Slash like others do.

I actually think its more along the lines of a "fuck off" to someone else. The lines "difference is nobody cares about you" / "you got all the answers why nobody asked you.." lead me to think it's about someone other than former GNR members... unless its Adler.

maybe it's about that former a&r guy , tom can't place his last name right now.

I was at that show! Rad!

(It's the Knickerbocker Arena, though, and no one can ever tell me any different.)

The vocal delivery is designed (IMO) to stand out,in a, if you don't want to hear anything at least hear this, kind of way...

Easily my favorite song on the album along with "Scraped."  : ok:

Tom Zutaut?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b49_v52OGNg

Epic.

I was thinking the same thing listening to it today, very nice stuff all around.  Hope I get to hear it live in the next year or so!

I am thinking about Steven too. I am really curious and I ALWAYS think a lot about lyrics. Chinese Democracy gives me a lot to think about.  ;)
It?s just that I am very interested in lyrics and always want to know what the song is REALLY about.

Of course I also enjoy just listening but when it comes to Axl?s lyrics, I?d definately like to know "more". Well, maybe he will tell us more about the songs on the next tour.

I am not sure if "Sorry" ist about a single person though...maybe it is, but whenever I think of a person, some lines just don?t seem to fit.
Maybe it is really a kind of message to a bunch of different people.

Well only Axl knows...

But I still think that "If the world" is for/about Beta. Seems to fit perfectly.

"Nobody owes you, not one goddamn thing"

THis is either about Steven or unappreciative misguided fans, who talked so much dumb shit like Axl owed them something.
I think its about more then one person or type of people.

"I don't want to do it"

This can be about Duff or Slash, who as Axl stated didn't want to do a lot of the songs Axl was working hard on to get them to work on. Like what he said in the youtube clip above.

I am surprised no one else posted this.  I really think the song "Sorry" is very influenced and reminiscent of John Lennon's "How Do You Sleep?" - a song written by Lennon in what many people feel was a response to a few Paul McCartney songs on his "Ram" album that Lennon felt were digs at him.
See this link for more info on "How Do You Sleep?" which is very similar to Axl's situation.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Do_You_Sleep%3F


 On first listen to "Sorry" I immediately thought of Lennon's song, though it makes "How Do You Sleep?" sound like a Hallmark card.

Axl uses almost the same melody (though a bit slower temp) as "How Do You Sleep?" and even sings some of the lyrics in the fun/mocking/exagarrated way that Lennon does in "HDYS?" Fuckin' brilliant!

I think this had to be done on purpose by Axl - I know he is a big Lennon fan and used "How Do You Sleep?" and Lennon's use of it as a big influence on his situation regarding critics and past relationships/friendships.  I also agree with some of the posters here who think the song could also be about Axl himself in some ways.  Watch this youtube clip of the Lennon song and Lennon's explanation of the song as well.  If you watch this clip and also read the wikipedia info of the song, it completely mirrors "Sorry." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK7CLXHSr1M

Musically and lyrically the similarities between the Lennon and G N' R song are uncanny if you know what to listen for; melody, Axl's delivery of the lines (the mocking tone of "I don't want to do it",), pent up frustration as well as humor, etc.

What a great way to respond to Slash - just as Lennon responded to McCartney!
The "just shut up and sing" part is classic.  I know I read a quote about Axl from someone over the years that said that but I can not think of who.  It could have been Slash, Weiland, a critic, or some other musician.  It may have even been Steven Alder.  I know I have personally heard it from people in the past who were not very big fans of Axl in the past or over the years. 
That response in the song by Axl is genius. 

"The truth is the truth hurts" - that is taken directly from Axl's rant in Albany as someone else posted here.  I was at that show as well and though someone posted that youtube clip of Axl's rant before "Patience" - it is a later rant before "Paradise City" that Axl uses those words:

"Thank you again for coming out tonight. Especially with...all the things you either heard or read. I'll admit I read this...'the things Axl's saying...they're just not very nice.' I don't know...I don't know if that's true. I don't know if they're not nice...I know they're not pleasant. TRUTH HURTS! Plain and simple. But...there's not really...there's not really anything...ya know there...ya know there's not much in the truth for these guys. See, truth, to me, it has to mean something to you on the inside of yourself. If it doesn't mean anything there, what does it mean elsewhere? And ya know basically it's kind of weird because ya know I'm telling you the truth and then I look like the ass for it but I guess that's the price of it ya know and I'm fuckin' willing to take that.
So without further ado..."

I would love to hear Axl comment about this song, but I have a feeling, as he has brilliantly done already...he'll let the music speak for itself.

Maybe that's why he used "the voice" for that line.

I know when I do an impression of someone, it ends up sounding like that, in a way.

Hmmmm... I can see what you mean there actually.

An amazing song. Pink Floyd crossed with Sabbath. Took me about two or three listens to grasp the melody but really enjoy it.

^sprinkle in a little "Electric Tears" by Buckethead.

I believe this song was originally titled Sorry For You.

In the CD booklet, it lists the song as such when referencing initial production.

On the first page of Album Credits, middle row, half way down:

Additional engineering and initial production Sorry for You: Peter Scaturro, Bryan Mantia.

If so, just plain Sorry is cool.

Anyway, this song is still my favorite.  Axl blasts this song vocally.

This song is incredible. My favorite by far, which is really saying a lot because this album is incredible

i think the easiest time to hear baz is during the "you don't know who in the hell to or not to believe"

You got that fucking right!  God I love that line.  This song kicks tremendous ass.  :love:

Its so fucking awesome after multiple listens all the little shit u pick up

I hear Bach perfectly  now in the chorus.

it only took 2o listens.


this CD gets more and more incredible.

Funnily enough that's all I can think of whenever I hear the start of this song, it annoys me that it sound like the joke Dracula musical from that movie. The rest of the song is awesome.

This is one (of many!) of the top songs definately.  I personally think it's about Slash, but it's fairly open - Axl's had a few enemies over the years I suppose.

yep could  be anyone at this point.only axl knows for sure about that.

This song grew on me like no other.  Lyrics are incredible.  I do think its about Slash and about all critics including non-professional bloggers and assorted folks that have given Axl shit over the years.  I think the like "You talk too much, you say I do...the difference is nobody cares about you" could be about all these critics in general, who like to talk shit but no one even knows who they are. 

Great thing about Axl is that he still inspires such strong reactions, whether positive or negative.  He really is one in a million!

beautiful song, an instant clasic in my book. when i heard about if the "17 years" waiting has been worthit or not, i can respond with out a doubt that yes (it has not been 17 but whatever)  i cant speak for everyone, but Axl does not dissapoints, he made amazing songs and amazing lyrics, just what fans of him expected.

after hearing the youtube rant and reading AXL DEMOCRACY post, i do think that the song might be for slash and duff mainly. also for other ones, but it seems that it might have something to do with when they were in the studio recording the ilusion songs, as Axl said they didnt want to record some songs.
in there the producer or whatever trusted in Axl and go with his view , and slash and the others talked and complained but nobody cared.

 :hihi: i dont know , just my feeling.

Right this may be a stupid question, but the line that goes "you talk to much, you say I do" Does this mean he is saying "You also say I talk to much" Or is it just saying 'you keep saying "I do" all the time'.
The reason is both versions fit the song. Slash says 'I Do' to everything!  :)    but I  cant see why he would say Axl talks too much. (thats IF the song is about Slash)

This song is a slow burner that is really starting to grow on me.  Buckhead's solo is pretty badass too.  And yeah, my guess is this has to be directed at Slash.

It's partly directed at Slash no doubt... But it's obviously about plenty of others besides. Some of the lines just don't make sense when applied to Slash alone.

oddly enough it perfectly makes sence when applied to a PD case I know. :P

Brilliant song. Could it take the place that Double talkin jive had on the illusion tour ? By that I mean that it will be a fuck you song, and the song will come after a classic Axl rant at someone or something. 

i think he means, that the other guy says that Axl is the one that talks to much.

Ths song definately grew on me...Like it a lot now.  I didn't "get it", the first time I heard it.  Kinda sounds like a Mad Season song to me

A great song... : ok:

enka!

I love the song, and the solo for the most part, but
in the first few seconds , it annoys me everytime that just when the solo starts, it stops and then starts again...
kinda looses momentum for a split second

Mad Season, wow what a reference, haven't listened to that in quite sometime..

I can barely hear Baz in this song. Sometimes I can pick up a hint of him but thats about it.


Love the lyrics in this tune. makes me think of some former members Always talking shit. "Truth is the Truth hurts" is one of the best lines of the record.


 :peace:

Yeah really! I thought to myself too. Baz is all like, "OMG DUDE IM ON THE FCKIN ALBUM MAN" and I can barely hear him...haha

this song have a big potencional.
I except,sorry will be third single and second video
after that except "this i love"

Alright, I am leaning towards the camp that thinks this is the finest track on the album. That also is a bold fucking statement because there are mostly masterful songs on the rest of the album.

This track though, is starting to speak to me personally. It is simply, the song I have needed my whole adult life, and never realized it.

I have some guilt given to me by so called friends and from some family. Friends who are alone, and make me feel a little weird about having my own family and house. Some family are real fucks too. They make me feel like I have to downplay things like things aren't as great as what they seem. That is a bullshit thing to do.

This song Sorry, is empowering. Instead of me being made to feel bad for having things go good, I now have a new anthem. I never told my friend to do the stupid shit that got him where he is. We all had the same choices. Everyone makes their own path.

Sorry is great and I am so thankful to Axl for it. I will be even more thankful if this is played every fucking live show that GN'R plays in the future.

I know I already said this but Sorry has really grown on me.  When Axl breaks into "you've got all the answers" you can really feel the hurt and bitterness in his voice.  I love it.

I agree with most of you:  I can't fuckin hear Baz at all on this track.

I love the words too.

I got the impression he was referring to people saying he talked to much during shows...and the other line "...shut up and sing", goes along with it.  As it to say you rant too much just shut up and sing.

I think the lyrics mean that they both say that about each other. Hence the line "the difference is".

I swear I heard a bootleg where Axl was talking and someone from the crowd yelled "shut up and sing". I don't remember what show. I tried to find it but can't.

So there could be potential here that the song is not about one individiaul at all, but about the 'Fans' in general, or maybe 'fans' who stir shit, instead of the things he said  :P. The song turns a bit harsh if you listen to it that way. BUT the last line "You chose to hurt those that love you and won't set them free" does not fit with this theory..........

I would like to thank Axl for writing this song about every ex-girlfriend I've had, and every fucking asshole that came into my life pretending to be my friend for nothing other than their own satisfaction.

a.

That song is an absolute killer.
Fucking great. I love it  : ok:

Yeah I remember watching the Albany 2002 bootleg, and right before Paradise City he rants and someone tells him to shu the fuck up and sing motherfucker.

 :rofl: really? thats priceless

That's exactly what I thought when I heard the 'just shut up and sing line. I remember over the years how a lot fans and people who went to GN'R shows were always complaining about Axl talking so much and wished that he'd just shut it and sing. So, I really thought that was a jab from Axl back at the fans who've complained over the years about him talking/ranting during concerts.

I'm not really sure if the songs about them but I've noticed some fans are pd cases too. I'm sorry for them.

well, the nobody cares about u line can't be about a Slash cause obviously shit loads of people care about Slash.

Id say parts are, parts are about fans, parts are about maybe even himself.

That part has Steven Adler written all over it.

With the shitload of old video Axl must have at his fingertips he could put together one hell of a video with Sorry.  Damn, he could focus on a different fucking former member with just about every verse.  Great shit.

I'd have slo-mo video of Axl receiving court summons, the press making shit up, smiling ex-members yucking it up at Axl's expense, stupid fucking ex-fans reading the lies and laughing.

Sorry is an incredible fuck you song.  Love it!  :yes:

This song is awesome. We can sit back and point fingers at whom we think the song is about but seriously,unless it comes out of the mans' mouth it is all conjecture on our parts. I am surprised that no one has mention one of the greatest lines of the whole song..."it's harder to live with the truth about you then to live with the lies about me"...

Lisa, agreed.  Totally unfounded conjecture.  Curious minds love to speculate.

and yes, that line is fucking amazing.  Lyrically, vocally, musically, this song kicks ass! 

Just curious, am I the only one who has no fucking clue where Sebastian's background vocals are in the song? I've heard every single Skid Row song dozens of times, but I just can't seem to pick up the slightest hint of Bach's voice anywhere in "Sorry".

Keep listening

DUring the Chorus, He sings the entire Chorus with Axl. He is the HIGH vocal u hear in the mix. Usually in the left speaker.

you can hear him great on the "you don't know who in the hell to or not to believe part

and the "u don't know who u can trust now part

High dude in the back.

Does anyone else cringe at the "all well and good, I'll kick your ass like I said that I would" line?.... IMO this is worse than "don't want to do it"

Yeah, not a great line. is he talkin bout Vince Neil?

Could be a line he couldn't slip into "Shotgun Blues"... at least in the case of "Sorry" the rest of the song is so good it more than makes up for it (not the case for Shotgun Blues.... 'Sorry' !   :hihi:)

How can anyone here think they can peg what this song is about anyway? It's a great tune no matter what. Funny thing I've noticed is you don't hear any quotes from the original guys much now that the albums out. I bet ya' all of them have listened to it several times over and are probably quite impressed with Axls work. For all any of us know they may have even talked to Axl (somehow/someway) and told him how much they like the fucking thing. So much speculation.


EDIT: - Nickelcrack sucks dead donkey dick too imho.

HEY! I like Shotgun Blues... lyrics may not hit the target, but it's a fun tune to drive to.  : ok:

I think this song is directed towards Scott Weiland. We all remember Weiland's blatant public attack on Axl after he revealed that Slash had actually visited his house and badmouthed most members of Velvet Revolver. I bet that Axl back then, after being called fat and balding by Weiland, must have said: "I'm gonna kick his ass!". The overall message from Weiland could be read as: "Just shut up and sing" and Weiland rarely misses an opportunity to speak about his beloved family, though he must have "hurt those who love you" a million times due to his drug abuse, drunk driving, erratic behaviour, etc., etc... "Truth is the truth hurts" also fits this interpretation nicely. Axl never commented on Weiland's attack back then but I reckon this is his answer.

And that's why I don't agree: Axl couldn't give two shits about Weiland let alone dedicate a whole song to him.

i seem to think he is talking about kicking your ass with the music. not actually kicking someones ass.
of course i could be wrong. either way it is a kickass song.

My question would be, how recently did we hear about a song called Sorry?  Is it old new GNR or new new GNR?  Obviously, if it's old new GNR it would have nothing to do with Weiland...that said, even if it's new new GNR I think there's zero chance it's about Weiland. 

That said, does it have to be about only one person?  I don't think so.  Perhaps the shit Slash put Axl through is what leads a lot of folks to speculate the target of Axl's derision is Slash.  It's my best guess.

...and yes, excellent song I can't get enough of.  Nobody can say fuck you in such a beautiful way.  I mean that.  Nice work Axl.

Buckethead has writing credit, so I guess the music was written before 2004. But the lyrics is maybe written after.

True. 

This is a very good song.  I hope it gets released as a single.  Bach told us about it in 2006.  But I don't hear him sing on it like he said.

Bach sings the high part of the chorus. LIsten and u can hear it quite well.

Axl's vocals are in the middle and u will hear Baz' high stuff i the left speaker.   U can hear him real well on the "You don't know who you can trust" parts


I think the "Nobody cares about you " part could be about either Scott or Matt Sorum.

The song is probably about a number of different people that pissed Axl off. He's probably taken things he'd like to say to different people and mashed them all together to create this song

You can hear him during choruses, and arround 5.26 unleashing a nice scream !

oh no, i think its one of the great lines, especially how he sings it, so calm, but with great confidense about  himself.

I have read somewhere, about the Snakepit album was in slash's opinion a True Gn'R Album but Axl disagreed. Slash didn't want to put the work in and as a result Axl didn't want anything to do with it. Slash went and recorded it anyway and it bombed.
This IMO, would certainly take the " nobody cares about you " line to a conclusion. Its been well documented that Axl felt that Slash has been less than truthful about him, with Slash happy to not offer clarification to his words.

This song to me is a "If the caps fits..." song, but I could see is being about the break-up of the original line up  and how that Axl has had to take the rap for their less than commited attitude.

We're in speculation heaven. It could be about various people/situations just molded together. It's a quilt of...ok I got nothing.

I like it a lot. It's fantastico!

This song is NOT about Vince Who?... Jesus fuckin' christ people...

It looks like at least one of the people who used to be associated with the band likes the song. Adrianna smith(rocket queen) has it as one of her songs on myspace(she has a good lot of the album), but Sorry starts when you open the page.

Thought it was nice to see it.

its about slash without any doubt

I bet axl knows more people than slash and vince who.

I still think the song is about the personality disorder case I know. I mean about people like her by you.

That line can't be about Slash, cause like it or not, people fucking care about Slash.


I think its about a host of different people. Certain lines are definitely about the old band though.

We don't know when the song was written though.  It could be as old as 2000 or so and let's face it: Slash's career wasn't exactly on fire then.

You keep repeating that.  Who are you trying to convince?  yourself maybe?  ::)

Great song, none to less.

DUR

cause people keeping bringing it up

Don't u have anything better to do than sit around and troll my posts?

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=42

Just read the bottom of this old article and maybe get an idea for whom sorry is about!

I definitely think each verse targets a different 'enemy'.

The third definitely seems, to me at least, to be the press. I'm not sure about the other two, though there's certainly plenty of options.

dare the sorry ass cover the song?  :P

finally heard the whistling!!

I'm sure Axl will have something to say about all the internet specualtion on who Sorry is about....Kind of like he did w/ "Better"...I think it was at the 1st Hammermith show..He made a statement about fans specualting who wrote what..And he cleared the air stating Robin came in w/ the music for Better.

Maybe there's a "sequal" to "Sorry" called "Can't we all jus' get along."...

I think (most of) the speculation on this song can be laid to rest now. Axl Rose's post on Sorry:

With Sorry.. like a lot of the material is drawn from a lot of different situations. The main focus on the boards w/the track seems to be either Slash or "the fans" (and the collective of "the fans" is another thing that doesn't work for me) and is much too restrictive or narrow and limits what I feel I intended.

For me it's for anyone talking nonsense at mine and the public's expense and that many of those as well as the public don't know who to believe.

Also where possible I'd like to give people the opportunity to get what they can from the material for a while before clouding that with my inspirations. Of course that's not always avoidable.

agree, but reading what he posted yesterday, i think the "just shut up and sing" phrase its pretty obvious for whom is it

"And I?m not talking change of styles or sounds etc. A lot of people bought that crap and me having gone in other directions seems to many to have verified that. Then you have the mind twisting equally as true horseshit in Slash?s book but I have the rehearsal tapes. There?s nothing but Slash based blues rock and he stopped it to both go solo and try to completely take over Guns. I read all this if Axl would?ve put words and melodies on it could?ve? That was denied and I didn?t walk till several months after having 3 to 4 hour phone conversations nearly every day with Slash trying to reach a compromise. I was specifically told no lyrics, no melodies, no changes to anything and to sing what I was told or fuck off."

It's clearly about Slash in part at least, but can people just take Axl's comment on it and stop speculating? Nobody can claim to know what he's thinking.

   I like how in the first quote Axl wants the fans to get what they want out of the music before he says what its really about and why he wrote it.  That speaks volumes that he'd rather people see what it means to them before he says anything.   

    The second part at the end "No changes to anything and to sing what I was told or fuck off"   I think I'd be a little ticked off as well if someone I was in a band with told me that.   

don't doubt that slash is one of them.

I relate to it as church-critics vs the christians in Norway.

elaborate on nit a bit?

I want to marry this song!

"Sorry" is my favorite song off the album.

Great, great song!

Perfection!

This song is so powerful for me that I feel IRS has to live in its shadow.  After it ends, I just like to spend a few quiet moments in a void.

Guess it's nearly undisputable that this song is about Slash,
Great song!

This is a very powerfull song, and i think its also kind of a healing song, I love the way Axl openly spoke his heart in it. It was about time some trues were told. I dont think its tottaly directed to just one person but you can easily relate one person to it. All the songs seem to me like Axl's soul talking.

i think different lines may be for different people, like for example nobody caring about and shut up and sing may be directed at Adler

not knowing who to believe-slash, duff and steve?
etc. etc.

agreed. you can't feel sorry for someone who tears you apart if you aren't far stronger than them.

the reasons...their insecuarity?

It ended up with burning churces, which I support to the full. :peace: <<< horn-sign :-*

Have your own faith, cool. Peace.
But don't tear down the old holy places and build your church on it, thats a very spiteful act.

All the traditions of white people are pagan traditions which christianity mutated into when it arrived.

Yule (christmas) and all these things, pagan.

And when it comes to the truth, the history of the church-
-thats a grusome chapter in european history-

Noble men and women where persecuted, demonized, tortured, humiliated and then burnt alive.

They called the love and fertillity-gods satan, devils and the covens of priestiesses who worshipped witches.

The media and the powers of deceit that may be call church-critics satanists now ::)

So, this is how I relate to the lyrics.

The only changes I hear in my head is:

While you sold yourself to the christian kin
You sold your soul, you sold your kids

And

I burnt the church like I said that I would

yea there's an accumulation of gruesome truths lie behind in history.

do the witches feel sorry for the prosecutors?

in the film about joan of arc, she forgives people who are burning her at the stake.
likewise, in the bible Jesus begged god to have mercy on the people who were crucifying him.

and axl tells in madagascar the world to forgive them that tear down hos soul, thats right people, axl is messiah :hihi:

well joan fought for her country and was betrayed by some insecure people who were her people she secured from the enemy.

Axl fought for the band and..

I think, if you read Axl's recent MB posts, you'll see him talk frankly about Slash telling Axl, when Axl was working on some pieces that Slash brought to the band, that Axl shouldn't add lyrics, melodies, or anything else, and should just "sing or get the fuck out".  Something like that.

To me, Axl's description sounds very close to the "shut up and sing" line.  Now, it might NOT be what he meant...it's impossible to say without Axl confirming or denying, and he's been cryptic (careful) enough not to do that directly.  But I think you can read between the lines just a little, maybe.  :)

I, too, suspect the song was/is a form of catharsis for Axl.  It's allowing him to get out a good portion of that pent up frustration and anger....which, looking at his side of the story, isn't too surprising.  I'd love to hear him talk a bit more about that...about the song as catharsis.   I think this album is very much about where Axl (and his bandmates) are in this whole cacophany of a situation. 

 It's why I think CD is a bit less.....happy...than AFD or UYI.  There are certainly meaner pieces of those albums, but there's also a sense of...I don't know how to put it....exhuberance and bravado behind a lot of the anger and meanness in those albums.  Almost like it's to be taken less seriously.

CD on the other hand has more "weight" behind it.  It feels heavier..and I don't mean heavier like "heavy metal", but heavy like in weighty or somber or seriousness or...I can't think of the right word. It has more sentiment behind the words, IMHO.  It's not a downer, by any means.  But I feel almost a sense of weariness behind it, like the weight of a very long journey, of a lot of experience, backing those words and music.  And a much more serious tone behind the lyrics.  Certainly a lot of metaphor to be had, but....it's like comparing Mark Twain's works to Dickens works.  Sometimes similar subject matter (Sawyer/Finn vs Oliver Twist), but very different "tones", even when evoking humor. 

Or maybe I'm just projecting...since when AFD/UYI came out, I was a hell of a lot younger than I am now.  :)

if you  read all my posts in this thread, yes i definitely read it.  ;)
and he also said it wasn't about one particular person.

like, joan was sorry for the coward asses that sold her to England and for those who were once her followers but believed their lies about her.


typo again :-[ i meant insecurity.

No, I agree...he definitely said it's about more than one person/group.

I just wonder if THAT line is really about Adler, as we (me included) suspected it was early on.....or if it is, indeed, about that incident he mentions with Slash.

unsure but guess both of them are included in 'you'.

one thing for sure is that we are better than joans fans in her days. we should be!  ;D

totally agree about the old albums being young and cd having more "weight" behind it.

however i see positive tone on cd.
the truth may hurt but to accept it is the first step to better anything.

Yeah, the way I listen to it there's a whole crowd of people standing around and Axl's pointing to them each in turn.  Like the boardroom scene in Liar, Liar when Jim Carrey is forced to insult the partners of his law firm.  Slash gets an entire verse, maybe a line is directed at Duff, one for Stephanie, one for the record execs and mngt, etc.

I can't believe the Norwegian church burnings are making such an impact in this discussion  :rofl:

Nope it's not all about Slash, the song is about several people who were in Axl's life, some still are...

Obviously, the song was written over several years. Some lines relate to personal stuff that he needed to vent about/voice frustration at the time. Some of it has been resolved...

However, the line 'you sold your soul' is directed towards Erin, who did a nude spread for a mens magazine.

Ever heard of the saying, "if you love someone set them free?"






On a musical/singer's note - it is much fun singing 3 part harmony with Axl and Sebastian.  ;D

I'd say it's all about Slash.
Lyrics of sorry sound and feel far too personal to deserve the watering down -treatment of " ohh this song is about no1 in particular!"

Full of bitterness and malice, this song is somekind of  an anthem for unforgivance. Or would be, if unforgivance was a real word.

My favorite on album by far.

got a new phone today. samsung alias. played sorry and my phone listens and tells me what it is. set it as my ring tone. love this song!!

I interpret the "You sold your soul, but I won't let you in" lyric to doing Velvet Revolver(getting Whyland instead of being a 4 piece with Mr. Stradlin is one of rock history's biggest tradgedies. I almost cried when I read about it. Would have been a cool experiment, no doubt.), along with that story about how Slash went to Axl's place and wasn't granted entry. The real question is the story behind that accent. :hihi:

Cool metaphor. Joan of Arc is my patron saint. After seeing a brilliant production of ST JOAN last year I made a Joan of Arc pilgrimage to France. I went to her birthplace, The Port of France at Valcouleurs and Rouen where she was burned. I HATED ROUEN! I loved Domremy La Pucelle. I had fun hiking in the woods where she used to walk!

annie you are quite a romanticist. :)


If it sounds like Norwegian, norway is right.

Sad but true!

I didn't see this posted:

Readers? Rock List: Best Songs Of 2008

12/22/08, 5:15 pm EST



The last of our readers? year-end lists have been tabulated, and as we predicted, Killers fans came out in full force to help ?Human? capture the Rock Daily Readers? Best Song of 2008. Thanks to some web-savvy fans, the Killers swept Best Song, Cover Art and Best Album. Note to Killers crew: read the feature from the current issue here. Plus, here?s the Readers? Top 25 Songs of 2008:

1. The Killers ? ?Human?
2. Coldplay ? ?Viva La Vida?
3. Kings of Leon ? ?Sex On Fire?
4. Vampire Weekend ? ?A Punk?
5. MGMT ? ?Time To Pretend?
6. Santogold ? ?L.E.S. Artistes?
7. Fleet Foxes ? ?White Winter Hymnal?
8. TV on the Radio ? ?Golden Age?
9. Metallica ? ?All Nightmare Long?
10. Lil Wayne ? ?A Milli?
11. Beck ? ?Gamma Ray?
12. Kanye West ? ?Love Lockdown?
13. Crystal Castles ? ?Crimewave?
14. Portishead ? ?The Rip?
15. Estelle & Kanye West ? ?American Boy?
16. Duffy ? ?Warwick Avenue?
17. The Raconteurs ? ?Salute Your Solution?
18. The Mars Volta ? ?Goliath?
19. Death Cab For Cutie ? ?I Will Possess Your Heart?
20. Beyonc? ? ?If I Were A Boy?
21. Guns n? Roses ? ?Sorry?
22. The Black Keys ? ?I Got Mine?
23. Bon Iver ? ?Skinny Love?
24. Deerhunter ? ?Nothing Ever Happened?
25. Gnarls Barkley ? ?Going On?

---

Kinda interesting.

It's not any of the radio singles and it's not one of the ballads that made the list.





/jarmo

Oh.

That make me think how great would be a Video Clip and single of Sorry!

Still have time!

That is interesting.  Does anyone know if there was an online push for Sorry somewhere?

Most likely there was for many like myself that think "Sorry" would make a great single.

#1. Chinese Democracy
#2. Better
#3. Sorry
#4. Street Of Dreams

Seems like a sufficient amount of singles to really push and promote the album.

that is indeed very cool :yes:

I have yet to comment on my favorite song at all, but after a months worth of listening, I am convinced this is definately my favorite song hands down, would make a great single.

yep this is my favourite at the moment, maybe on a par with TWAT and TIL , and in the last week or so catcher is growing fast. I just love the power of Sorry very Alice in chains which is obviously a good thing.       Happy new year everyone

Sorry is one of the best songs on CD.

I think it would be awsome single material.  I think that song would really catch on well. It has that angry feel to it. The lyrics are priceless. It is a song people can relate to very easily. I know I do. I play it over and over again. Never gets old.

Couldn't agree more. Great statement.

#5. There Was A Time, I know it's quite long but at that poin it would become a killer closing single to promote ChiDem. And those guitar solos can easily beat the test of time.  :)

In regards to the Rolling Stone Reader's Poll, do you think there is any chance the readers are really intending to nominate Buckcherry's "Sorry" instead of Guns N' Roses "Sorry"? Buckcherry's "Sorry" did peak at number 9 on the Hot 100 in 2008 and this wouldn't be the first time Josh Todd was mistaken for Axl Rose. I remember when "Lit Up" debuted many people thought it was Guns N' Roses.

Furthermore, though I think "Sorry" is a highlight of "Chinese Democracy", its ranking comes out of left field and I have not caught wind of any fan initiated voting drive that would have given it such a boost.

There are at least 8 songs that would be great singles that would promote the album.
The 5 songs listed above, plus This I love, Shacklers, IRS, and one could even include Catcher. That is 9 singles on one album, which would just be stupendous.

^ and I forgot Maddy, which would be 10 singles!

It was Slash who said that shit to Axl over the phone when Axl was trying to talk some sense into him, that he should at least let Axl write lyrics and melodies for what Slash wanted to be the next Guns album (what would later become snakeshit, I mean Snakepit). Read Axl's interviews.

I like the picture of the man resembling Slash on the Sorry lyrics page. Cute! :)
http://www.6lyrics.com/music/guns_n_roses/lyrics/sorry50.aspx

My favourite song on the record! I was catched at 1st listen  :)
I remember, 1st listen... I was like "this is the best song on the record".
Love the athmosphere... kinda threatening... a lot of tension in the air. A little bit psychedelic. Killer lyrics.

Is it about Slash? The lyrics seem to be for Slash.

Axl and Baz sound great. Put your headphones and you can hear Baz harmonizing the vocals with Axl "I'm sorry for youuuuuu.... not sorry for meeeee" Baz sounds KILLER!

Axl (www.chinesedemocracy.com 12/13/08): I tried sending this ages ago but apparently it never went through. It was a direct response but now fits others questions on the same subject.
The whole whose it about bit w/songs doesn't work for me that much as in whether a line or whatever was inspired by a particular person or situation doesn't mean that in the end that's what or who the song's about.
I could be working with clay and think of someone or something and somehow that could inspire me to take the work in a different direction at the moment but in the end it could just be a nice vase.
I often wonder where the people who inspired so many songs are now and why it's only important with some songs such as Layla as opposed to others. I'm guessin' a fair # of beautiful love songs or otherwise were inspired by some that the artists and public might consider now or in hindsight to be the opposite of how they are depicted or allegedly represented.
With Sorry.. like a lot of the material is drawn from a lot of different situations. The main focus on the boards w/the track seems to be either Slash or "the fans" (and the collective of "the fans" is another thing that doesn't work for me) and is much too restrictive or narrow and limits what I feel I intended.
For me it's for anyone talking nonsense at mine and the public's expense and that many of those as well as the public don't know who to believe.
Also where possible I'd like to give people the opportunity to get what they can from the material for a while before clouding that with my inspirations. Of course that's not always avoidable.

The ending is my favorite part of this song.....

sounds like haunting groans coming from the Bottomless pit
filled with repressed yet fierce indignation.

mine too, whitout a doubt

Amazing song, i love the whole 'Fuck You' vibe to it!
Quite oddly psychadelic to, or to my ears at least, when i first heard it, the intro always made me feel like i was underwater  :nervous:

or maybe you were in the underworld.

Wasn't one of my favourite songs at first, but it grew on me.

I don't like the cheesy lyrics like "I'll kick your ass, like I said that I would".

...But the chorus parts are where it's at. I know what Sebastian Back saw in it.

Nah, norwich city college, if i remember right

Quite similar though  :hihi:

we're in the hell baby you are already dead.


I wouldn't call them cheesy.

I would call that Axl being Axl :P

Listening to the song right now, so fucking awesome!!  :beer:

yea you won't find a song with lyrics quite like these.  ;D

I love it! Great song to listen to when people are annoying you, like creeps at work! :hihi:

Same with me, I wasn't too keen on it at first but it's grown on me. Very cool song. And agreed about the choruses. ;D I love the way Axl sings the "you don't know who in the hell..." line.

Listening to it just now 8)

Baz is doing vox on that line too.

Works magically.

Less is more.

I love Baz' high vocal on that line u guys are talking about.


great song as well. Would love to see that as a single.

I love this song. It could be the DTJ of CD IMO. Has a bit of a "fuck ye" attitude to it.

This song NEEDS to be released as a single. It totally has the badass vibe. This song has given me so much strength over the past few days. It's got a very strong vibration to it, I can't describe it. It just makes me feel better. :smoking:

can't wait to hear axl do the ending live, one of my favourite parts on the whole record  :drool:

Has been and remains my favorite to this day.  Hands down, Its PERFECT all the way across the board, I love :love: love :love: love :love: it. 

Great song! One of my favorites on CD. I like the line: "Hell with the pressures, I'm not caving in."

My favorite lines are

You tell them stories
They'd rather believe
Use and confuse them
They're numb and na?ve
The truth is the truth hurts don't you agree
It's harder to live with the truth about you
Than to live with the lies about me

still sounds wicked  ;D it's not on the usual blues pentatonic is it?

I'm no theory expert, but I don't think it is a blues pentatonic...maybe during the chorus but idk.  Gotta wait for the tab book lol

This song has definitely grown on me.  The guitar is great on this song,( lots of soul, great solo), the chorus has a great rock riff.  I can picture Axl writing this song on a rainy day from inside his mansion, and as a way of saying I don't need anything from the world. 

whats the news on that book by the way? still coming out?

I thought of Floyd from the first time I heard it.  This is one of the best on CD.

I thought it was a bit more Robin Trower... 

I thought Floyd meets Sabbath...My fav. on the album..I can picture BH ,sitting next to Axl, on a stool w/ that big ass white guitar.

I also think there's a lot of resemblance to Pink Floyd in this song.

The solo is vintage Bucket but it is also very reminiscent of David Gilmour

The song itself definitely has a Buckethead vibe as well as a Pink Floyd/Sabbath vibe, it is bad ass song.  Definitely should've been a single.  Maybe it will be at some point

i remember saying that this sounded liked pink floyd when it first came out.......pople looked at me as if my tongue were a cock

Intro Guitar By Bucky is Excelent, Guitar Acoustic By ROBIN.. I Loved...

Lirics, Chorus, etc... GREAT... back Vocals By BAZ... Very Good..

Solo Guitar Is Psychadelic

Total Song Is KICK ASS..   

I'M SORRY 4 You... Not Sorry 4 Me...  DEDICATED To:.... !!

 :beer:

It is a very good song. Some of the heavy guitar parts remind me of early Black Sabbath.

One of the best songs on CD.

Bucket's guitar solo on this one reminds me of Dave Gilmour's on "Comfortably Numb"  : ok:

Doom Metal Style (Baz 2006)

 :smoking:

i love this song so much. everything from Axl and Bach's singing to the guitar solo just comes together perfectly and it sounds organic too.

there's a weird trippy Pink-FLoydy vibe to the song which provides an interesting complement to the brooding quality in it. overall its just wonderfully well-constructed and that guitar solo deserves wayyyyyyyyyyy more applause than it has received.

i like the fact that unlike songs like Madagascar where Axl seems more beaten down and hurt, the lyrics to Sorry reflect more of an "in your face, haters" kind of attitude.

hell yeah, please more of that   :smoking:

Same with "Scraped".  One of the many reasons I love both those songs.

No one does "pissed-off" like one W. Axl Rose.

Listen to 'sorry' and 'get in the ring' back to back, the ultimate "fuck you" duet  :rofl:

OK!

well im no way saying it's a so called blues pentatonic but it still sounds to me pentatonic and sorta bluesy. i don't mean just the riff  :)

i can picture axl writing the words on behalf of the people who're tone apart by heartless liars.

I hope so. I want to see that automatic rifle.

I don't think it should be a single. It's just one of those tracks that is a treat when you buy the album.

What an amazing song.

Great lyrics. Very inspiring.


Sticking to your guns, the truth will eventually win and so on. Well at least that's the message I get out of it.  :)


/jarmo

It is amazing. Fantastic singing, lyrics, production... and the guitar solo is phenomenal.

it's my favorite song of the entire album cause its very cachy.
perhaps not a singer for the audience... but suer its an awsom song and cant wait to see them play it live. wether on Youtube or live.

This song inspires me ? i can see a father talking to a son that has done wrong things ?

With all the patience, the calm, the knowledge ...  but full of hurt and disappointment ...

I think it will be the DTJ on the next tour. DTJ was more often than not dedicated to people that Axl didn't like or had pissed him off. But no I think Jarmo sums it up pretty well.  I listen to the song after a long week in work and I'm really stressed out.

Baz, Have Razor... BOMB IN THE HEAD.

What does this mean?  ???




/jarmo

Baz, he was right ... BOMB IN THE HEAD.

i'm sorry...

 :peace:

Not sure I understand that either.

But it's still a great track!





/jarmo

It's just HBK being HBK.

Great Song, Bomb In My head... I Loved Song... S O R R Y !!!

You Understand ?? Me English Is PERFECT CRIME !!!

 :smoking:

My interpretations: Pick the correct answer, hbk.

#1  baz's voice is sharp as a razor and the song blows HBK away as a bomb would.
#2  baz is sharp as a razor in saying this song will blow you away like a bomb.
#3  nah ppbebe, you are wide of the mark.

Probably my CD album fave alongside Madagascar.

HBK, what a funny compatriot  :hihi:

Sorry is amazing. Love Axl's voice and the atmosphere of the song, pretty gloomy, guitar solo is not a big deal though.

 :hihi: :rofl: :hihi:

I  :love: SORRY

You can't be serious about that

Sebastian Bach talks a little about recording "Sorry" with Axl in this Dec. 3rd interview with Matt Pinfield on 101.9 RXP -- the Dec. 16th audio under the photo :

http://www.1019rxp.com/blogs/MattBlogHome.aspx?BlogID=1000061&pn=1

Couldn't agree more  : ok:

Sorry. great song

to me, its a very dark song, very very dark.

I had a dream last night that I was walking around with my guitar and harassing my mom with the solo from this song, over and over again.  And no matter which notes I played, the solo came out perfect.

I think that Baz interview may have had something to do with that dream.

I think Sorry is the one song that explains Axl and all his beliefs in one tightly wrapped lyrical special. Integrity is the first thing that comes to mind when I hear the song.

Song sounds awesome live. Love the rhythm playing in the background.

Axl sounds fantastic live in that song... :P

"Sorry" is a truly amazing song. I can't seem to get enough of it  : ok:

This song in my view truly lived up to the anticipation it received, prior to the albums release. I love the tempo, and how it borders between a rocker and a ballad. Axl's use of vocal delay effects, works brilliantly with the slow rhythm in the background.

This is an amazing piece of art, and represents the diversity that Chinese Democracy presents.  : ok:

I have been listening to this song a lot lately and (remember this is just my opinion of the song what i take of it) It seems hes talking to Slash kinda i dunno i maybe crazy but that's what i take from the song. what does everyone else think

That's probably right. Although I wonder who could think Axl talks too much! Very poor lyrics, with a distinct if-I'm-rubber-you're-glue quality.

Could be. I agree with Chuzeville though.
Some of the poorest written lyrics I've heard out of Axl's mouth. Didn't think he had it in him.

No no. Sorry is great, both lyric and music! I'm not sure it's about Slash. Could be some x-girl or something like that...Remember, Axl's been accused for a lot of shit by girls...

I think it's one of the best songs Axl's ever done in terms of lyrics and performance. They may not be the deepest lyrics he's ever written, but they're not supposed to be... it's a song about being pissed off, and trying to be anything other than direct in one of those songs wouldn't work. Their directness and the actual delivery of the lines put it up there with some of the other greats from both that album and Use Your Illusion. (Even if I still laugh every time I hear "but I don't want to do it").

I was just disappointed by how it comes across live. It's not very good at all in concert.

Maybe poorly written isn't the best term. Simplistic for sure, and you're right, that was probably the intent.
I just can't get past them. The Sorry for you, not sorry for me line especially.

Also, it seems I've heard Axl say the following in different words 1,000 times, and it's tiresome to me.

You like to think
In some way
That it's me
And not you

I like the acoustic guitar. I like the haunting feel of the song, and I actually really like Axl's vocal melody. Just not into the words.
Unfortunately that seemed to be the theme of Chinese Democracy for me. I felt like I knew every song by heart after one listen(lyrically) whereas it took me years to know all the words to Use Your Illusions. I'm hoping he's got another song in the vein of RNDTH, or Garden of Eden in the chamber.

I like Sorry on it's own. It's got a cool feel to it. I think the lyrics are strong even though they're simple.

But.....it's yet another song on Chinese Democracy where the lyrics are super bitter and Axl plays the victim role. That theme wears a little thin by the end of the album which is one of my few gripes with CD.

Great song, simple lyrics but they work. Buckethead's guitar work is awesome as usual - one of my fav solos on the album.

i'd wish the guitars to be louder and vocals not so dominant.
vocals and lyrics just dont do it for me on this song.

It's great live. Filled with emotions, both musical and lyrical. It was the only song where I couldn't hold back the tears in their live-set anno 2010.

I thought slash the first time I heard "you chose to hurt the ones that love you and won't Set Them Free!" cause I read somewhere that the VR song Set Me Free was ment to get back to Axls camp to hear.

I seem to recall Axl has been quoted, as saying on stage to an audience around 2008/9, that the song had nothing to with Slash - I think he said this in Mexico?

That is why I like to think of this album as a personal album for him, he was able to vent through out, alot of crap he was indeed bitter about and probably felt a million different feelings about alot of folks in his past life.  I think the songs on this album point in alot of different directions without mentioning or labeling any one person.  If we think we know enough about him we should in our own mind have an idea of where the songs are going and whom he may be thinking about.  Just my own thoughts.  I love Sorry and it is and can be very fitting in a part of my own world...

i was listening to UYI 2 and when "Get in the Ring" came on i was reminded that "Sorry" is similar in that it's a big "FU." and then when the lyric "i'm gonna kick your ass!" came on it got me thinking about the lyric from "sorry" ("i'll kick your ass like i said that i would").

i wonder if Axl is referencing that lyric in GITR when he says "....like i said that i would." the message in both songs is similar so it wouldn't shock me if Axl referenced GITR.

was this lyric specifically discussed by Axl? or did anyone in these threads discuss it or come up with other ideas? i know some didn't like it cause they think it's cheesy.

That's badass Sandman. That connection with GITR. I like
That. I bet you are right.   That is awesome.

The marathon show in Osaka (2009?) he says this.

thanks man.  : ok:

if i ever meet axl (or if there's ever another forum chat) i'll have to ask him. it would be interesting if its true.

I think it's lyric make up is simple, basically because the target for this one, IMHO, are the ears of Mr. Steven Adler.
The inrtro seems like a homage to the beginning of this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wKyXA_nMVQ, which would also be a good fit for old Popcorn.

Also, Prostitute is Slash's track, I'd guess. I'd also guess the lyrics for that one may be a direct response to the letter that Slash dropped off at Axl's that one time.

Sorry is not directly about Steven.  Perhaps in part, but also its directed to the critics, prior management/record company, Slash, even the fans.  Prostitute isn't a direct response to Slash but is really about Axl's response to dealing with the pressure of putting GN'R back together again.

You believe what AXL & GN'R Write For Ex. Gunners ??? Wait...

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 :-*Yes, I'm so fucking hilarious! :-*

The whole album feels like a concept, with the concept being "fighting through shit", and to say that the old tyme members have nothing to do with that is just silly.

Prostitute feels like a letter to Slash to me. If you listen closely at the beginning, you can hear the word Slash, and the coda at the end feels like it could represent a sign off of sorts. I guess it's up to personal interpritation, really.

And I stand by my opinion that Sorry is all about Steven. Just show me one lyric in there that cannot be directly applied to his and Axl's "relationship".