Here Today... Gone To Hell!

1. There are real bands out there with real music and real concerts who actually release albums and actually go on tour and actually show up and play. In other words, everything Axl's band is not.

2. Just because Brian May & Zakk said what they heard years ago was great doesn't mean shit today.

3. Axl will never top with he did with the real GnR, & maybe he's starting to realise this, which leads me to...

2. This stupid album of his is never going to see the light of day so why are you waiting for something that's never going to happen?


Discuss :peace:

4 Reasons Not To Make Lists Like You Just Did:

1. It's boring
2. Who's waiting?
3. It's been done so many times before.
4. Why not spend your time on something more constructive instead of whining about an album that "is never going to see the light of day"?



/jarmo

4 reasons not to listen to providman

1) Nostalga is a waste of time and energy... embrace the present not the past
2) The old members haven't proved they can reinvent themselves
3) The new band did tour, and kicked ass, as seen at MSG
4) The new songs are outstanding and prove GNR is and will always be great with axl at the wheel

4 reasons why your wrong crashdiet:

1.This has nothing to do with nostalgia. Axl calling his new band GnR & going on tour playing 80% old GnR is all nostalgia. It's funny you don't see this.

2.This has nothing to do with the old members. Why do you have to slam them to make yourself feel better about Axl?

3.Yea, right. The GnR name sold out MSG, not Axl Rose.  Believe me, if it was the Axl Rose Band, which, if he had any guts or integrity it would be, it would have been half empty like just about every other show on that most half-assed of tours.

4.Yea, the new songs, some of them anyway, are really good. Too bad they'll never be released.

 :peace:

It always cracks me up when people attempt to extol Axl by praising the MSG show, one of only TWO shows on that tour that sold out.  The rest of the tour was a miserable failure characterized by horrible critical reviews, riots, Axl's tardiness and no-shows, and piss-poor attendance.  The average amount of tickets sold was 7,344, in venues that seated 18,000-20,000 people.

Oh yeah, Axl rocked, didn't he?   :hihi:


And yes Mr. Crashdiet, as Providman pointed out, Axl uses a band name notorious of the 1980s and the majority of the setlist was old songs.  Nostalgia is a waste of time and energy, eh?  That's the way to embrace the present, eh?  That's the way to "reinvent" yourself, huh?   :hihi:

As for the old members, Slash and co. are doing the smart thing and not trying to reinvent themselves.  Hence, they have nothing to prove, whilst Axl does.

to bring up the gnr name argument is pointeless...
as for the tour well...no shit it wasnt a success but when u look at it was it really set up to be 1?
im pretty sure axl wasnt banking on a fukin gret tour being that he new he was just gonna play old material and no promos..what the fuck no shit. that past tour was a warmup tour. the band gelled and out with the old....

this is a long process half the peopel here fail to understand....u cant just go out there and launc newgnr when ur not ready....

the albums are being finished. once that is completely done..well ill sum it up for u...u will be seeing gnr everywhere u look...why?cause this band got 3 albums and a few yeas of touring. axl rose wants to do this ....hes been planning this..

yea of course slash looks liek the good guy to everyone cause he is friends with the old members..who the fuck cares....u certaintly arent on these boards because of the old members...if u are ur wasting ur time talking about a band that will never get back together...im not saying u have to love axl....hes a dick at times but so the fuck what....i say that  because i know he works his ass off trying to create a sound that will fukin blow every1 mind away...hes a fukin genious....im not gonna go into it all but axl is so fukin cool...fuk that badass shit...its not about that..its about axl working hard to give us something very cool....
so yea u can bash axl for stupid reasons but when its all said and done i know that every motherfuker here will be listening to a great album called chinese democracy...

but then some1 wont liek ti cause axl doesnt wear bike shorts anymore lol assholes...peaceout

1)No, embrace fuck all? fuck that.
2)Done more than the braided one
3)Yeah they kicked ass and now what?
4)I agree, but i wouldnt exactly call them new songs now.

1)No, embrace fuck all? fuck that.
2)Done more than the braided one
3)Yeah they kicked ass and now what?
4)I agree, but i wouldnt exactly call them new songs now.
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2)done exactely fukin what? big deal they play some shows togetehr wow.big deal.i just dont get it.o axl sucks cause hes sittin in a hole workin on albums but slash and them are cool cause they play a few shows together cause their fukin solo albums suck a big fukin dick.

3) now u just do what u do everyday and when the albums come out and they go on tour for the next few years ull be saying whoa nelly all this gnr stuff

4}to the genral public they will be new...

look i could care less if every1 hates axl or whatevr...but what pisses me off all this hatred comes from 2 things....
1}axl not releasing any albums
2} no coomunication

yea its frustrating that there isnt a release yet but why should axl release something if its not ready??

and ye athe communication does suck i agree. yea it would be cool if axl was a lil more interactive. the only thing about that is what do u want him to say? "last weeks rumor about the band breaking up isnt true?" the philly thing he should have said somehting i agree....but overall he everything will be said when the time is right...he keeps telling u that!

The only thing this new band has done right was the mini-tour in Europe and Asia... Their NA tour was a disaster, their MTV performance bombed, they havent released any music (which was promised several times), and half of their new songs are fuckin garbage (Silkworms? Oh My God? Spare me.)

Slash said it best "He had two options, come out and prove everyone wrong, or screw it up, and he screwed it up..."

I don't know why haters post here in the first place. Why are you here? If you see no future for GNR then why do you bother coming here creating and posting threads that concern the new band? It doesnt make sense. Most of you are probably upset that Axls gonna ruin the GNR name but its not like you actually change anything by coming here and telling ppl that theyre never gonna make it. Afterall, shouldnt u be happy that Axls screwing everything up since you only support the old guys? I dont know what the bashers are so upset about, you should be happy cuz everything seems to be going ur way right now with no news and delays.

:rofl:

1.  You are correct, they are not currently touring and have not released anything new.  Why should that prevent me from "waiting" on a new album?

2.  Did you read what your topic was?  Just because they said the music was good back several years ago does not mean it's going to actually be good.  But how can you say it's "a reason not to wait"?  There's some break in your logic here.

3. Well, that's fanastic that you don't think they will.   I honestly have no idea.  Again, how exactly is the fact that you believe the past to be untoppable a reason for me to not "wait" on the new album?

4. Uh... see the last two.

So, of your four points, only one of them even sort of connected with your topic.  Good work.   : ok:  I think your topic should have been "4 reasons I don't think the new Gn'R will succeed."

And with that topic, it would be quite clear that... this is the same old shit, again and yet again.

Also, as far as the comments about the last tour being a failure, etc. could someone fill me in a little on this?  Alright, a couple of riots is kinda bad.  Other than a few nights though, I was under the impression that Axl was pretty much always on time and the band ripped out an excellent show, consistently.  In Minneapolis, all the reviews of the show were excellent (well, I read one bad review but the reviewer spent most of his time ripping on Axl, not the music, so I sorta discarded that one).  It was a small show, somewhere between 6,000-8,000 showed, and I had read similar things about other "small" shows.  Can someone tell me what I'm missing here?

dizzy i usually agree with u 90 percent of the time and i agree with most of what u posted but i have one question to pose to u and everyone. lets say roles were reversed and VR kept the name Guns n roses with the lineup they have now, do u think a guns n roses with no axl rose wouldve sold out these shows? i personally dont think so, i think fans sold out the two shows to see axl or they didnt even know their was a new band which is a huge possibility

i guarantee u their were at least a few fans who probably were wonderin why slash had a micheal myers mask on, i guarantee that their were a couple. but i think guns n roses with slash and duff matt, but no axl wouldnt have done as good as guns n roses with axl

remember the voice is the main part to alot of casual fans and basically if u heard a boot and didnt know any better u would have no idea their was a new band

however live the new band has nowhere near the energy charisma and chemistry as the old band

Axl no showed for two of the concerts, one of which already had the opening acts perform... their ticket sales were weak (shut up about fucking MSG, Steve-O could probably sell MSG out)... Axl was late every night, but they covered it up by showing some Tig Bitties on the screen (This is asshole because people DO have jobs, I thought it was fuckin great though for my show)... They were forced to cancel half the dates... They made no statement, or apology, regarding the abrupt ending.          =         Bad Tour.

To the post about "coming here despite that we hate the new band and support the old guys"... Personally I'm very curious to hear the new music (sooner rather than later) and I think the band puts on an incredible live show and Axl's voice sounds great.

I'm not BASHING the new band so much as I'm telling the truth.  Axl has done nothing right beyond the first leg of the tour, and songs like Silkworms and Oh My God suck.  I'm here to see if he can pull this thing off, and maybe he can't.  :-\

I just wanted to throw this in.  The Red Hot Chili Peppers recently played the Bradley Center in Milwaukee and the place was 1/3 full.  The reviewer mentioned that quickly and then talked about how into it the crowd was.  Almost ignoring it.  However, we all know, if that was gnr, the guy would have made a big deal about gnr only getting 1/3 of the place full.  The Chili Peppers are supposed to be one of the biggest bands of today and the nu gnr can draw as much as them with no album.  That doesn't seem like such a disapointment to me.  By the way(no pun intended) The Bradley Center at 1/3 compacity is only 5,000.

how can u say this band lacks chemistry?how can taht statement be made?based on exactely what?

lets start off with the touring part:
this band has chemistry. have u wathced the bootlegs? is it me or do i always see them joking and laughing? and as far as the memebrs runinng around, what do u expect? this isnt their material how can u expect some1 to run around to other peopels material. but the most overlooked fact is that they played the fuck out of these songs. watch rio then watch msg. i dont even care if u like then or not but atleats give them respect for not only playing it but really playing them well. and i laugh when peopel say o buckethead is not emotional. assholes thats his style. hes a robot type thing. hes not gonna jump up and down..and for the record watch the boots he does move around acroos and up the stage.....

and the ultimate kicker is the idea that the band hates each other and they have no chemistry. readf the interviews. they tell u how much they like each other. dizzy has fukin said this is the closest band he has been in. everytime i look axl and the guys are checkin out other shows and shit. i mean what the fuck. these arent just hired guns i hate that. they are members of a monstrosity called gnr

its just pathetic that peopel want gnr to fail simply because tehy want a reunion or something.get over it its over. and im glad because axl has brought us a new era. the old era is finished and it was fukin great.but now its a new era and im ready to embrace it. why? because axl and gnr have fukin worked so hard putting together this album and 2 others. they have touring planned till the end of time. what sux is that peopel/fans hate them for only 1 ignorant reason. its ashame. but the funny thing is every1 will love this new band shortlly and all these dumb topics will never frustrate me again. as the song says...ya'll gonna find out fo yo self motherfuckers. peace

Why did you bother to post this?

1) What axl was going to go on tour and play all new stuff that nobody knew... not exactly the best way to break in the new band. Axl played old songs to show that "the new band can play the fuck outta the old songs"

Now i'll be the first to say axl ought not have toured until the new album was out, but whatever he did... and I just finished watching a bootleg from the euro tour and the new band definately has chemistry... they rock!!

Nostalga is wanting and pining over slash when he's been out of gnr 3/4 as long as he was in GNR... get over it and support the band you love!

2) i"m not slamming the old members to make myself feel better about axl... I feel great about axl's potential, I just don't care for any of the solo material, and can understand why axl moved on (he didn't fire anyone except matt) and I support him in that decision

3) I will agree that yes the name gnr sold out msg, but axl isn't the one who walked away... and will critics blasted the tour... I have 6 dvd bootleggs from the tour, and three audio boots, and the band rocks... critics don't know their ass from their mouth... I wonder why there isn't a certified critic degree... why because everyone has an opinion, one doesn't make one more valid than the other

4) the new songs are great... and i'm as frustrated as everyone else that their is no new record, but axl has a plan

Do I have to point out how silly this comment is?


If you just admitted that hes not emotional like his detractors say, then why do "laugh"?  Thats his style, you say?  Then apparently they dont care for his style.  Think before you speak.

Warmup tour?  The promoters sure as hell didn't shell out $400,000 to Axl and his boys for a mere "warmup" tour.  And remember, Axl dubbed it the "Chinese Democracy world tour", not the "Chinese Democracy warmup tour".



The old members and the old music are EXACTLY why people come to this board.  Oh yeah, I'm really sure the majority of the people here got interested in GNR after hearing a crappy bootleg of "Silk Worms."   ::)


Or we can bash him for legitimate reasons, of which Axl has provided plenty.


If we are, Axl will come after us for stealing his unfinished work.  Because that's the only way anybody will ever get to hear it.



Oh yeah, joking and laughing is the epitome of chemistry, isn't it?   ::)


They are part of a "monstrosity" all right.  One that plays four new songs (read: THEIR songs) in a setlist of 22 or so songs.  In other words, the one original member sings, the rest just try to play the old music.  Sounds like hired guns to me, and that they will be until they release something.



Nope.  But VR is sensible enough not to live off GNR legacy.  I mean, it's always going to be with them.  But I guarantee you when they start touring, they'll play THEIR songs instead of playing 95% AFD songs (milking the old band) the way Axl does.


Sure.  Not everybody reads GNR shit on the internet.  Plenty of people probably went to the shows expecting to see Slash, and ended up disappointed.



No doubt.




Reread your posts and observe what you just did, Crashdiet.  Somebody gave you an answer, so you changed the question.  You harped about Slash and nostalgia, and then when pointed out that Axl was relying heavily on old Guns tunes and legacy, you turn the tables and start making excuses for why Axl needs the old material.

If VR toured playing nothing but old GNR songs, you'd criticize the living hell out of them.  There is NOBODY living off the past more than your hero Axl Rose.


Unless they're praising Axl, then suddenly they become geniuses.....  ::)


That's one reason I criticize him.  He should've walked away from the name Guns N Roses instead of riding it like horse through a filthy stable and dirtying it beyond recognition.



Whatever he did, you will support him.  He could go out there with machines playing the old songs and lip synching in a pink tutu and you'd still call him Guns N Roses and make excuses for whatever he does.

It's really quite funny that at least every week there are many of this kind of treats. Like I said before, If you say that Axl is an asshole, why in hell do you expect something something from an asshole?

You should be grateful that he gave you great music. He doesn't make money from the fans actually. Last time I was watching a report on the news about the RIAA and the price of the cd's and is actually laughable how much the artist gain for the sell of a cd. Do you want to know? Well, only 2 bucks.

 Acording to the music, you should respect the man, for what he has composed, songs like estranged, November rain and sweet child of mine without name others. In fact, I found many people pathetic, like posting that these songs could have been good with different lyrics because the riffs are the one whomade the song,
or especially in the case of estranged that a person said without the solos it would be a sappy poor ballad. I bet those people would like Fred durst(or somebody alike) to write better lyrics for those songs. Like I always I stated that those songs was an effort of all the band.

But there are those people that like to criticize Axl or Slash or Izzy or Duff.
Well, I suppose you can criticize Steven a little bit. Also I can tell you that only one entity will know the truth about the separation of the group that everybody fall in love at first. Whop is it? God. Have you ever seen behind the music of Van Halen? who's fault is it, the band or the singers?

Live on.  :peace:

Are you trying to insinuate your religion upon us?   :P

to dizzy:
what are legit reasons to bash axl?

it all comes down to this..fans like you or whoever cant get over the fact that you have to wait for a fukin album. that its ur right to get this album when you want it. sorry to say but thats not the case. when their is an OFFICIAL release date and that date comes and soemthing happens then you have every right to feel like you have been betrayed or whatever. but until that day comes you cant say shit.
u are all pissed that there is no communication. and to a certain extent i agree. it would be cool for axl to communicate with us. but what do you want him to say? he has said in interviews that evrything will be answered when the time is right and when the albums come out. if u want him to commen ton every fukin rumor us nuts and stupid. the reason gnr is somewhat of a laughing stock is because of the fans. they are the ones who fukin make these elaborate rumors and that shit circulates into the press then when the press print it it gets analyzed a 100x over at the boards and every1 things its true...hence a negative thoguht about axl....

u all are mad taht axl wears bike shorts because theres no album yet. well guess what tough fukin luck...wait it out. this album is only a few years in the making.with many years of building osmething up...the monstrosity is almost here. and will blow ur mind away..
man i cant wait for u people to fukin go crazy over this album and just show u that axl is a very smart man ....and that this new era is just as creative as the old...and im not into the old vs new...thats gay...the old was fukin great. butits over. now we have the new...and let THE FUKIN MUSIC SPEAK FOR ITSELF. if it sux fine, then we know the answer..but dont fukin put down this band because u wanna see slash drink jack and coke who the fuck cares its not happening

I know that when someone chooses a side on this issue, there's no way to change their mind... these are always 'imo' threads...

Besides MGS and Philly being being sold out, there were a handful of arenas close to max capacity. The Toronto show (which i attended) had 14000+ out of a possible 16 000. London Ontario had (if i'm not mistaken) 9 000 out of a possible 9 000. Boston was packed, what about Chicago?
Shakira(who performed at the same VMAs by the way) was at the ACC venue in Toronto the night before GnR and managed to pull 3 000. The tour was seen as a failure because the tickets sales live up to old GnR expectations. They still managed to sell more tickets in arenas on average than a whole lot other acts(check out pollstar). For being out of the lime light for 10 years, Axl screwing up the VMAs, the rest the band gone, not much promo for a band with the GnR name(especially a comeback tour), questionable attendance of Axl to any actual show(because of Vancouver)and not to mention the occasional riot, ticket sales were pretty f*cking good.

Silkworms is your opinion, i think it's greater than a load of GnR songs... In My Opinion. If you prefer the old stuff, well then hang on to it cuz wether we like it or not, we ain't ever going to hear that kind of music again in our lives. If you do hold on to it dearly, nothing will measure up to it. Not VR, not newGnR. It's a past now gone forever.

Why the hell not? If he had any balls, that's exactly what he would've done. If his new material was supposed to be so spectacular, why not showcase it?  I saw Ozzy at the Capitol theater in Passaic NJ about 2 weeks before his first Blizzard of Oz album with Randy Rhodes was released. We had never heard ANY of his new songs, we didn't know what to expect, we never heard of Randy Rhodes, no one at the time did, all we knew was that Ozzy had a new band, lets go check them out. Needless to say, they absolutely KICKED FUCKING ASS and blew every single fucker who was there away that night playing songs NO ONE KNEW, save for the 2 or 3 Sabbath songs they played that night. The rest obviously is history. Ozzy could've taken the safe, easy, familiar route & played nothing but Sabbath songs & I'm sure everyone would've still said it was great. But he showed us how a true artist goes about re-building a career, Axl would do well to emulate him, or should I say would've done well if he tried to emulate him.

Same with Chris Cornell. I saw him at the Town Hall Theatre in NYC about a month before Euphoria Morning came out & again, no one knew anything  he played  save for 2 or 3 older tunes he played & he still kicked ass. So what if the album wasn't a huge hit, he had the courage of his convictions to try to grow as an artist & put his stuff out there & let the chips fall where they may.

So to answer your question, YES, he should have gone on tour & played all the new stuff nobody knows. The album wasn't ready to be released yet? Well, maybe Axl's not the genius some of you make him out to be and the whole tour was just not really thought out.

listen im a huge axl supporter but im not so blinded that i defend and have an answer for everything he does. when axl is wrong i post it, if he is awesome i rave on him, im not a blind follower so sue me!

i have a ton of gnr bootlegs and axl looks bored, im sorry new gnr worshippers but axl looks like he would rather be doing any fuckin thing then being on stage, u think this is what axl use to talk about on the illusion tour?

remember how he said would u rather me start at 11:30 and give a kick ass show or start on time or close to ontime and play like shit. axl was going thru the motions, watch tokyo watch msg anyone who thinks msg was better gets my applause cause u are truly a gnr fanatic. i give axl props where props may lie but the energy at tokyo was unbelievable that my friends was a gelled, monstrosity machine of a band, MSG was nice, axl sung well the music was on point but the chemistry is undeniably lower.

how come no one mentions axl leaving the stage during tokyo and the illusion tour? but msg every poster says "why does axl leave the stage alot"? the truth is axl has always pretty much done this its just before everyone was so focused on slash runnin around rippin off his solo's that they didnt notice axl gone. now when axl leaves everyone is like "huh"? MSG seemed so amazing simply cause it was sold out and was so much better than the subpar 2002 other shows that it seemed kicked ass but compared to old tours it was sorely lackin in energy, charisma and chemistry.


Dizzy i see your point about VR i just wish axl would focus on new stuff and let AFD rest in piece, i can see playin wttj,pc,scom, maybe rocket queen but playinthe whole cd needs to never happen again.

ive stated in many threads i dont wanna hear scott weiland singing gnr songs i really dont wanna see bucket,robin,richard,tommy etc playin old gunner material it just seems sort of weird

well provid i have an easy answer for this one, the internet! if axl played every new song on the tour then everyone of us would have chinese democracy months in advance, he knows this tis why we only got a few of the filler tracks, thats what keeps me motivated, if the blues, maddy,c.d. are filler then i think we are truly infor something special!

ozzy didnt have to worry bout bootlegging, chris cornell was doing his solo thing which was a much smaller scale then the long awaited chinese democracy

see my philly thread im almost sure i could be right, axl was gonna start the first leg if it did well do another leg and release the cd in the middle of the tour, he got cold feet pulled out of philly cause that was the only way to stop the machine. so he sort of burned the village to save it.

Yea D, I know that's the answer, I was just responding to a post which stated that the reason he didn't play more new material was because no one knew it. I think it just shows that the whole tour was really, really poorly thought out, & if Axl is really all about the art & not the commerce(yea, I know it's pie in the sky thinking), he would've put his art out there because thats what artists do, & whatever happens, happens.

 :rofl:  :rofl:

Not really, even though I'm catholic, I'm not too much into religion.
Regarding that comment, I was only trying to say that  when I saw Van Halen's Behind the music the guitarrists were saying something and the singers were saying other thing in respect when they were "fired" or something alike.

Like I said you cannot blame everything to someone, because you don't know anything.

Anyway regarding the point if Axl should release cd. I hope is soon, otherwise I just have to continue living my life without hearing "digestable music."

 :peace:

GNR and axl are on a totally different level than ozzy was back then, or than chris cornell is now.... ozzy barely even had a record contract and he was dating the daughter of the president (or something like that)

Gnr are held to a high standard, and axl simply wants the new tunes to be heard properly in the format he has worked on for like5 years.

He doesn't want to be pre-judged on some shitty as live bootleg with some jack ass screaming "AXLLLLLLL" throughout the recording.

I'm a songwriter myself ,and when writing a song I never show anyone the song until i'm completely satisfied because I don't want the 1st impression to be lost when my work isn't completed....

This isn't 1982, and chris cornell doesn't have the standard of which will be held at.

Get over it... if you don't want to wait for CD then why are you here??

Dude, you're all over the place, contradicting yourself. Pick an argument & stick with it.  First you say it's not about nostalgia when they play 80% old stuff with the old name , to boot, then you say they shouldn't play new stuff because no one knows the new stuff, & that would be a bad way to break in the new band, then you say well, the new stuff isn't ready, THAT'S why he wouldn't play it. Whatever. It seems what your REAL argument is  is ""don't say anything negative about Axl. Axl can do no wrong in my eyes & I'll defend him no matter what. Logic be dammed."

And PLEASE, stop making Axl out to be something he's not. He's just a singer in a rock n roll band. He's not on some higher level and he's certainly NOT held to a higher standard. Reading some of the posters here, the exact opposite seems to be true. He can do(or not do) ANYTHING & it would be alright with you & your ilk. Just trying to bring some common sense here.

And if my topics bother you so much, don't read them. Start your own topic on how GREAT Axl and the new GnR is & the only replies can be "yea, he rocks, yea he's cool, yea he's great, yea, he's a genius, yea he's the bestest of the bestest & tell me that would be better than  & more interesting than a post which challenges people to THINK and RESPOND, & keep things INTERESTING.

Leaving the name issue aside (which i fundermentally disagree with) the only thing that Axl has done that's been right was....

Vegas + Rio 3

Between both shows it was exiting time which gave the world (at least the bootlegged world) 2 great songs (Madagasger a The Blues) and which proved gn'r could play the afd songs pretty good...it was a great warm up.

Since then they have failed to be exiting and challaging..offering the promised album with the said songs.
The tour: the setlists were boring...just the same jingled appetite album with madagasger a the blues added. + it was cancelled with no explanation.

Rio 3 was the warm up, the album should have followed.

I don't care bout ya 4 flamin reasons....
We've waited 10 years for a new album... n' WE WILL GET IT! >:(
Axl won't let me down or any of his True supporters!!!
Understand???
It will be released soon... just have a little patience!
For crying out loud!!!
I'm sick of hearing people slagging Axl off, talking bout his looks, his voice, his new band....
just SHUT UP!!!!!!!! {N' that is a clean version 2, esp. for /Jarmo!}
Anyway, would you guys like it if you got slagged off DAY IN, DAY OUT???
Eh? Would you? I don't think you would!! I know i wouldn't!!
JUST LEAVE AXL ALONE!!!! EVERYONE!!!

{i could go on, but i won't!}

" The average amount of tickets sold was 7,344, in venues that seated 18,000-20,000 people."

Just a point of correction: The maximum attendance figure in the above sentence is for SPORTING events, NOT end stage concerts.  With end stage setup (remember, they don't sell the seats behind the stage), that figure drops to 13,000 to 16,000 and those were the BIG arenas.  If you look at all the arenas, maximum attendance possible for end stage set up ranges were from about 10k to 16k. Of course, that still doesn't forgive the relatively anemic average # of tickets sold, but it certainly reduces the severity.

Well if my arguements are so weak why aren't you addressing them...
you've left out the internet bootleg arguement, and how axl wants people to hear the new songs as they should, not on a shitty bootlegg

My whole point about nostalga is addressing the fact many people want gnr to be what they used to be... I say get over it...

ya they play mostly old tunes on the last tour but to quote axl "isn't that the point" your not going to try and reclaim your fans off the get go with new songs no one has heard... it doesn't make good sense, because obviously the new tunes of are a higher complexity and will take a few listens to get into.

If you think that axl isn't at a higher standard than anyone else... well your dreamin... go listen to new (and I use that term losely) ac/dc or something...

whatever... obviously your here at the forums posting... so your waiting just like the rest of us..

rock n roll :beer:

Just an off topic question: What the hell are you replying to? That huge quote is confusing.....  :confused:

Please try to only quote the actual part or post your replying to. That tip is for everybody.



/jarmo

Virtually every damn reason given on this thread on elsewhere on the forums.  But there is no legitimate reason in your mind.  Anybody who makes a statement such as "Axl's a dick, but so what?" obviously cannot be reasoned with.



Yes we can.  We can say shit about the way Axl strings us along, leading everyone to believe he's going to deliver something big, and then disappearing at the peak of interest.



*sigh*  Now that Slash and Duff aren't there to blame for Axl's bullshit, you resort to blaming the fans.  Sad.   ::)


u all are mad taht axl wears bike shorts because theres no album yet. well guess what tough fukin luck...wait it out. this album is only a few years in the making.with many years of building osmething up...the monstrosity is almost here. and will blow ur mind away.
Wow, make sure you lend me that crystal ball when you're done with it.  I want to see who will win the Super Bowl this year so I can bet on it in advance.



Tough shit.  As you said, you're going to have to wait.  And wait.  And wait.  And wait.  And wait.



What music?  If Axl actually released music, we'd have something that spoke for itself.  Now all we have are Axl's shenanigans, which definitely speak for themselves.


But according to psychic you, it will blow us all to Mars and back.



He may not have worried about it, but it existed.  I have a bootleg CD of Ozzy's very first solo show, performed on September 12, 1980.  I also have many other Ozzy bootlegs which took place before an album's release, and thus contained unheard songs.  Axl isn't the first to have to worry about bootlegging, though I will give you that the internet didn't exist when Ozzy was playing.  But plenty of other bands get out there and play new songs before their album is released.



Contradiction.  If Axl is trying to "reclaim" fans (meaning fans of the old lineup, than he is the one trying to live off the GNR of old.



Not me.  I come here to discuss my favorite rock n roll band, Guns N Roses, the real Guns N Roses.  The only reason I post on these type of threads is because it's amusing to see people swearing up and down that Axl will deliver the album soon, and how it will kick ass....and then have to eat their words as the months and years continue to pass.   :hihi:

actually what you are doing is being a dick...i can care less if u hate new gnr..i repsect u love old gnr i love them too...but i dont fukin diss the old cause i like the new...u diss the new cause u cant get over the fact that the old is over

all ur animosity stems from 2 things:
no album release and no fan communication

and when i said axls a dick at times but so what i mean that yea at times he does stupid things...such as cancelling a tour and not telling us what happened...but its not the end of the world. if u think hes a dick cause he shows up late or sometimes doesnt show well, thats up to u...u know he shows up late thats his thing...he has been doing that since the start...as for the no shows,yes u are right thats dick. but the reason it can slide is simply he is a musical geniuos...im sorry u cant get over the fact that gnr lives on without slash,duff and izzy....and dont get me wrong i love them especially izzy...but i have realized that era is over and a new era of gnr is ready to reclaim the top spot once again...

the music will speak for itself...until then shut the fuck up...dont bash this new band because of no album.thats not right. so go wathc some old tapes and go whack off to slash smokin a cig on stage cause its so badass...peaceout homefuk

Well you know what... if you think that a song like Silkworms is on the same level as the old GN'Rs stuff, you are a VERY small minority, and that opinion is probably swayed by the fact that it's your favourite band.  Were Limp Bizkit or something to release that song, you would be more likely to say "That's why they suck so much".....

Anyways, if the new GN'R's music isn't as quality as the old band, then I will agree 100 fucking percent with the people that say Axl should've changed the band name.  If he puts out an album full of shitty songs like Silkworms and Oh My God, then he will fucking ruin the name Guns N' Roses.  That'll probably even sour me on the old stuff because the band will be kinda tainted.  Slash and Duff already see this, they've said they won't do a GN'R reunion because Axl's already ruined the name... I'm waiting for the album.... which bring's us to why Axl's an asshole.... you say "he doesn't owe us anything".... then he shouldn't fucking promise it.  Every single band member has said the album would be out this year, and it's not.

You don't fucking know that.  Why don't you go whack off to the album you don't have??.... and if you think that music you haven't heard will "speak for itself", take a look at the "new" songs.  Madagascar, The Blues are great, CD is average... the rest are worthless.  If you think the world is going to embrace Guns N' Roses with shit like Oh My God, have fun.

The only thing Axl has done with the "New GN'R" which you claim will be on top of the music world, is make Guns N' Roses look like a joke.  I like the new band and see huge potential, but Axl is doing everything wrong.

I will buy the album when it comes out, and I think Axl can do good... but if he keeps pulling this shit like his lame ass tours and not speaking to the fans (and lying when he does), then he can invite the 2 people on this board that like his new shit over to his house and play for them.  No one else wants this bullshit.
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"These are dates that I have personally approved and for better or worse, we'll be there." - Axl Rose about Guns N' Roses tour.   ::)

"We'll be back next summer with a whole bunch of new songs." - Axl Rose at Rio.   ::)

"When will we see Chinese Democracy?" - Radio Station
"Sometime in the next year." - Axl Rose 2002  ::)

"Stay Tuned for news and information on Chinese Democracy coming soon." - Gn'R website.   ::)

 First off, I don't know where in writing that said  axl promised that the cd would be out.. I always assume he hoped... I could be wrong anyway I think dizzy Reed sums up this topic...

 There will be some fans out there who will hate us for what we are doing... we can't please everyone...

 Also how can some  people get upset about the tour being canceled.. when  ever did the old guns n roses not screw up a tour???  Some are acting like it's all axl fault but everyone including myself don't know what is really going on. Almost all the posting that is being said is from  assuming that axl has been doing this and he has been doing that . Yeah one could say he should change the gnr name  but why should axl listen to some one like me...  It seems to me some just can't realize that axl is probably not going to do anything with slash, duffy, izzy, ect and the thing that makes this new band so great is axl singing..

im out......

And let's not forget...

"In June.  God willing, we will release it in June." --- Axl, following the Rio show in January 2001  ::)


Thanks Sky, I couldn't have answered any better, especially since I can barely read half of his grammatically atrocious posts.

He fucking said it himself.... sure it's not in writing, but he (as well as every other band member) has said it several times.

If he only *hopes* that it will be out then, he shouldn't say it so confidently.

Then he goes and runs his mouth about Slash lying...

Aaaah, but now you're assuming a lot. i posted something along these lines a long time ago... I wasn't a fan of GnR until i got the EoD soundtrack. I downloaded and burned the soundtrack for a girl. Back then (as a result of my unfounded bias) GnR were, to me, a cheesy 80s rock band. I partially remembered Sweet Child, Jungle and November Rain. When i heard OMG, i thought it was ridiculous(again because of my bias). GnR was pathetic to relative, "Slash is trying way too hard copy new styles", they were supposed to be some cheesy 80s rock band. At the back of my mind though, i liked the song. i kept on coming back to it and really dug it. That's when i first discovered GnR; i then visited mygnr and HTGTH. Then new band and OMG made me a fan. As i listen to(and make) electronic and rock music, this band was it. No other band has a sound like Silkworms or Riyadh.

If GnR actually did stick together, they'd be like the Stones or Aerosmith. In the 90s (93-97) grunge and alternative ruled. Nobody(youth, especially in the USA) would cared for their new songs, as GnR was viewed as dated. My brother bought AFD in 88, but hated GnR after the cheesy november rain video and their image of excess. This was the cass with the majority of teens. Everybody was into Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana...etc. Like the Stones or Aerosmith, the vaste majority of people wouldn't have cared much for new songs. Their audience would be a little older than the alternative audience. They would've toured like they toured in 2002; people came to hear the old songs. The majority of fans were from the GnR era, not the alternative/grunge era. That's the thing.

Personally, i could care less if they reunited. I want something new. We already have AFD.

Perhaps you'd better check the charts.  Aerosmith and the Rolling Stones did quite well sales-wise in the 1990s.  And they continue to sell out tours around the world.  I saw Aerosmith last month and 31,000 people were there.  I didn't see the Stones, because I couldn't get a decent seat to see them when they came to FedEx field in D.C.  I think that show sold around 80-85,000.

Yes and I recently saw the Rolling Stones and Ac/Dc perform for abot 450,000 people... That's what?? more than twice what Axl played for at Rio??... and if you don't want AFD, then why are you so supportive of the new band, they play the entire CD in concert!!  You think 200,000 Brazilians came to hear Silkworms for an encore?  I hope that Axl does progress with his music, but it needs to be as good or better then the old material.... If Oh My God is what he's trying to do.... then all they will be is a cheesy 80's rock band that's trying to stay up with the times.  They will not have many fans either.....

Oh, and I think the Kiss and Aerosmith tour is the biggest one out right now (aside from Bruce maybe?)....

Steven Tyler said it best: "Rock N Roll has a grandfather, and they are the Rolling Stones... they had a son, and they were called Aerosmith, and now Aerosmith has a son, and they are Guns N' Roses."..... I don't want to see that son turn into a punk teenager.  :beer:

I think people who post here are bothered and show that they really care about the Guns n' Roses name. They don't just "go" for the ride.




At least they are expressing how they feel. What better way then at a Guns n' Roses site. Its obvious they are concerned about the fate of Guns n' Roses.




Who says they only support the old guys? The bashers are upset that Axl's ego has stretched to the size of a watermellon. And there doesn't seem anyway of it reducing it in size. I wish he would come to his senses but at this point, I don't think he has any left. Guns n' Roses was a great band. The Guns n' Roses of today isn't half of that.

This is a collection of performances I've agreed to. That I have personally authorized not someone else's good intentions gone awry or a reckless promoter's personal agenda. These shows are important to us and for better or worse we'll be there.

August 2002 before the Asia/Europe tour.

They didn't cancel any of those shows.



/jarmo

Certain bands sell on the fact that they've been around for a while. Pearl Jam sells out shows but their records doesn't top any charts. The fact that they sold out MSG doesn't make them the world's biggest band.

I don't think people go see The Stones or Aeromisth to hear a set with 90% songs from the last two studio albums. They want to hear the classics.



/jarmo

Please explain

Booker, you didn't know that being 40% responsible (the percentage thing done back during the Adler litigation) for the creation of 45-50 original songs of released material in 15 years makes you a "genius"? Come on.......heavy heavy sarcasm......Mozart is a genius...Miles Davis is a genius....Bob Dylan......emphatically NOT Axl Rose!!!! Genius is a term WAY overused in the music business. :rant:

For real

Dont get me wrong, I personally think Axls the greatest rock frontman ever, and thats saying a lot.  Hes an amazing vocalist and lyricist, but that doesnt make him a "musical genius".  If he was the sole writer for every Guns N' Roses song, it would be different, but we know that GNRs work was very much a collaboration of great talents.  In fact, the only song that I can think of that was written completely by Axl Rose is the "November Rain" piano demo.  Songs like "November Rain" and "Estranged" may have been written mostly by Axl, but those guitar parts are invaluable to both and those werent written by him.  

So if anybody can offer up an explanation of Roses muscal genius, Id love to hear it.

Ok, well if that was in only in regards to the six dates they played, then fine... I mentioned before that small tour was the only good thing the new GN'R had done.  Too bad Axl couldn't keep the same attitude for North America.

Booker, Breakdown-Estranged-November Rain were all written on piano by Axl. We just don't have a demo from Estranged and Breakdown but they were written the same way. :hihi:

Do you think that if Estranged had been held off of Illusions, and was one of the songs on the 'fabled' Chinese Democracy album, that it would be 1/10th the song it is right now without the guitar arraingment written by Slash?
Axl would have handed his 'Masterpiece' over to the "new" band and it would have become a song full of whistles, clicks, electronic farts, 2500 beat per minute shred solo's............That to me screams the fact that Axl isn't going to be the Song writting genius he is made out to be without the likes of Izzy an Slash.........."genius is environmental"

how can u say axl is doing this wrong? WHO THE FUCK ARE U TO SAY THAT? I JUST DONT GET IT. ARE U A MUSIC EXPERT? OR U A MARKETER?

when exactely has something liek this been done before that u can compare it and say "oh axl is doing this all wroing" exactely no1 has ever done this before.
just because the album isnt out because some fucker on the interenet says its done and makes countless dates doesnt mean its axls fault. and no axl shouldnt come out and comment after ever fukin rumor. and know he shouldnt come out with a release date , u know why because there isnt one. its not fukin ready yet.

and as far as teh comments that ahve been made. never have i read axl saying a specific date. god willing next year means fukin if everything works out then yea next year...obiviously it wasnt ready so that year has passed.... all u people who love the old thats cool but fukin it makes no sense to hate this new band and what they are about to do be put down...

and for the songs we have heard ...its a matter of taste...we havnt heard the studio versions yet. no shit omg,rhiad, and silworms arent what u are all used to...but ur all so ignorant that u dismiss them and this new era...thats is why they basically broke up...because the old era doesnt want to explore and advance.... the reason i know this will work is because axl has taken his sweet motherfukin ass time putting a new sound together that will fit with the past but will be a lot better.....

again u all hate axl or the new gnr because there is no fan communication or any release dayes...to that i say ur all pussies....go listen to fukin slash solo album and dload them jamming together the other day...theres ur music fix

Do you think that if Estranged had been held off of Illusions, and was one of the songs on the 'fabled' Chinese Democracy album, that it would be 1/10th the song it is right now without the guitar arraingment written by Slash?
Axl would have handed his 'Masterpiece' over to the "new" band and it would have become a song full of whistles, clicks, electronic farts, 2500 beat per minute shred solo's............That to me screams the fact that Axl isn't going to be the Song writting genius he is made out to be without the likes of Izzy an Slash.........."genius is environmental"
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how can u fukin say that...how can u base what the new band can do after only hearing a couple of songs...jsut because some rumor says the albums is techno or what not doesnt mean its true.....how can u fukin critisize some1 if u have no work from them....when cd comes out then if u dont liek it and how they play u can make a comment liek that...asshole

Come on little guy, calm down with the hosility.  

Can you explain to me Axls musical genius?

You know why Axl is doing it wrong?? Blowing off 20,000 fans with no explanation, EW compares Axl Rose to Michael Jackson.... Guns N' Roses is a joke to everyone except for a small group of people.

Can you not read or are you just stupid?  I'm not talking about internet rumours, I'm talking about words from the band members mouths.  Not a SPECIFIC date, we've given them the benefit of the doubt and accepted "it will come out sometime in the next year".... that's 365 fuckin days that I would've been content with, but it's all a lie.

Yes it's a matter of taste on the new songs... but I want music that deserves the label Guns N' Roses.  Songs that have that flavour.... if he's going to run off and make shit like Silkworms, then change the name of the band.

I have never said I hated Axl or the new GN'R.  I think they have a lot of potential.... Axl's just being an asshole and will fall on his face if he keeps this up, but hey, that's up to him I guess.



.... and Yes, I am a music expert.  :-*

According to what I read in this past Sunday's paper, these are the top five current tours:

1. Metallica (Summer Sanitarium)
2. Eagles
3. Phish
4. Kiss/Aerosmith
5. Dave Matthews band



True, but I also meant the Billboard charts.  The Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, and AC/DC have all had platinum albums in the last decade.

Axl Rose isn't "some fucker on the internet", and he said it would be out in June 2001.  Robin Finck's website also stated it would be released in 2001.  Dizzy Reed isn't some fucker on the internet, and he said it would be out by June of 2003.



No, but pretty damn close.  Back in 2001, he said, "God willing, it will be released in June."  And June 2001 came and went (as did June 2002 and 2003 for that matter), and no album.  At the end of last year, he also said the album would be released "sometime in the next year."  Well hell, it's been damn near a year, and NOTHING.  No talk, no promotion, no single, NOTHING.


Exactly.  They want to keep doing what actually worked.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it.



Actually, that's why I am convinced that it will fail.  Because he's taking his sweet time putting a sound together.  Tinkering with it until it doesn't even sound like music anymore.


Wow, your razor-sharp wit never ceases to amaze.   ::)



Perhaps you should ask yourself that question.  Because you've only heard the same few songs we have, and you're utterly convinced that Chinese Democracy will be out of this world....


Good idea, I think I will.  Better than "Silkworms" or "Oh my God" any day.

Exactly.  They want to keep doing what actually worked.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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hence u have bands liek aerosmith,u2

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look we can go back and forth about this...i agree its dick that there isnt any communication...especially after the cancelled tour. but i dont understand why that means this album will suck or the members involved arent as good.....

why will there be promotions or singles if the album will not be coming out...they arent gonna put out a single and then not have the album come out for another few years that makes no sense...

and the reason i believe in this album is because axl has taken his time...he hasnt rushed it...if u ask me if he put out the album back in 2001 when the band just got settled in then i think that would have been a big mistake....being that these members are talented they kept on workin with the material and making it better...
whetehr its good or not remains to be seen...

also...

Perhaps you should ask yourself that question.  Because you've only heard the same few songs we have, and you're utterly convinced that Chinese Democracy will be out of this world....
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um do u see me commenting on velvet revolver? set me free is nothing special but im not diregarding them becaus eof 1 song...and im not gonna love them because they put out shit faster than gnr...its not about how fast u put stuff out its about the quality of what u put out whne u put it out

That's entirely off the subject.  I was speaking of Axl's new songs.  You claim the new CD will blow everyone away, despite the fact you've only heard a few songs.  Then you turn and berate others for saying it will suck.  That was the subject.  Kindly stick to it.



Yes, precisely.  Bands that still sell good records and shows, rather than trying to become something they're not.


That's the point, Axl said it would be out "within the next year".  Well, that was almost a year ago, and we have nothing to indicate Axl is going to live up to his words.

I for one am not too excited about the popular notion that Axl's going to hit a "whole new sound" etc. etc.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Look at AC/DC, U2 and the Rolling Stones. They haven't really changed or "expanded" or any other crap at all in their respective careers, and the bands are as popular today as they ever have been.

Aerosmith tried to venture slightly with their last album, but it just didn't work as far as I'm concerned. Glad to hear they are going back to the blues with the new album.

I just hope Axl doesn't tinker too much and screw it all up in the vain hope of redefining the meaning of rock music with Chinese Democracy.

Just give us a kick-ass rock n' roll album, the way it should be.  :yes:

Two of my favorite U2 albums sound a lot different from each other, "Joshua Tree" and "Achtung Baby".

Then they did "Pop" which was even more experimental for U2.



/jarmo

Yes, precisely.  Bands that still sell good records and shows, rather than trying to become something they're not.
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these bands sell becaus eof thier early albums.they sell out shows because people wanna hear their classics...i for one would be mad if thats how gnr would have turned out. any1 can stick to their "roots" and succeede. i rather have a band do well and keep exploring...and if they happen to fall flat on their face then they can go back to the old ways...but what if it works?
and how can u say gnr is trying to be something they are not? when the album is out and u dont liek it then a comment liek that can be made. until then we have no lcue what the sound will be liek or how good it will be...but in the meantime its fukin gay to bash them for not releasing anything or if u still cant get over the fact that good ol slash isnt there anymore...the only other cool member other than axl was izzy anyway..but thats for anther day

 ::)  Yeah, no one actually liked "All That You Can't Leave Behind".

If GN'R puts out a shitty album that doesn't sound like a GUNS N' ROSES record, then people won't even buy it because of their early albums.  Guns N' Roses will be the band with a great track record that got ruined by some fatty rapping over an industrial song.

There are a lot of good arguments on this thread. I couldn't choose one to jump in, so I'll post my 2 main reasons you shouldn't wait for Axl.

1. I don't think the album will ever be released. If Axl's mental problems are the reason for his delays then I can safely say this album will never be released unless he comes to terms with his problems or if the record company forces a release. I can see the latter happening over the former but I suspect we'll never hear from Axl again if he is dropped from the label. Besides, there is no reason to believe this album is coming out anytime soon. We always hear talk but never see any action. There's no reason to believe it will be any different this time than every other time a band member gave us a timeframe for the release.

2. Axl is not worth your time. The guy wrote some great lyrics and was a great frontman, but the guy obviously has a lot of issues. He's not the type of person that anyone should be putting blind faith in. I don't think he is a bad person, but he's just too messed up to be reliable. He has disappointed his fans time & time again so there is no reason to believe he will change. A leopard never changes his spots. Neither does Axl.

At least you admit that you arent really a Guns N' Roses fan, that helps put things in perspective.

Are you gonna keep dodging that explanation of Axls musical genius?

Guns N' Roses will be the band with a great track record that got ruined by some fatty rapping over an industrial song.  
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once again someone believing some lame rumor on the internet.
and commenting on his appearance shows how much its about the music to u...who cares how he looks. no shit, hes not a twig anymore and doesnt wear bike shirts. o no he wears football jerseys hes such a thug...what assholes...

 -At least you admit that you arent really a Guns N' Roses fan, that helps put things in perspective.

Are you gonna keep dodging that explanation of Axls musical genius?
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how the fuck does me liking or thinking izzy is cooler than slash or whoever not make me a gnr fan? please explain that to me...its a matter of preference my friend....in no way does that diminish slash, i love slash.w.out him gnr would not have been what it was...but that doesnt mean i have to like him more than izzy or any1 else. i just dont get that comment..please explain that 1 to me...
and as far as axl being a musical genious...well to me he is...i am 18.what current bands/frontmen or whoevr am i able to appeal to? none. gnr,axl fukin clicked with me 4 years ago when i gratefully dicovered them....i bought all the albums, bought some boots read all the magazine articles and understand old gnr....but i am lucky and i am able to experience a new era...to me axl is a genious. the songs he has written,his image,moreso his post old gnr days...the badass thing is cool but hwat really is cool is that he seems to be an interesting guy...hes smart funny sarcastic, and his live performances are fukin amazing...maybe geniuos isnt the word but for me he is the greatest...ill hold the word genious for when chinese democracy comes out and it sweeps all the haters out there off their feet. peace out

Most bands or performers sell out Madison Square Garden. Its because its New York City and there are 14 million people living there.

i think fans dont liek axl or whatevr is because he has changed. life moved on for axl after the old left. he lived his life.he actually is in tune with culture and not stuck in 93 like some fans are or would like him to be.
and for mental problems. i have no clue if thats true or not...but to me its not because axl is always out..hes not locked up in a hole. from my observations i think he exaggerates his probles a lot but people percieve him to be mental...its kinda funny. especially when i read interviews of the members or peopel who have been working with him say he is truly a nice guy.....but slash isnt in the band so hes a selfish prick who is a mental case who loves rap and techno

axl is a musical genius because of the amazing lyrics he writes, his outstanding use of melody and emotion over kick ass rock melodies and heavy guitar riffing

axl is a musical genius for the different styles and the epic pieces he can construct and put together

he is also a musical genius cause his voice is so gifted he sounds like 3 different people, he has his regular soft voice "estranged" "civil war"  he has his massive fuckin wail which is unparallelled, he has his super deep voice he uses on backups "locomotive"

genius is used very loosely today, is axl a genius on the mozart beethoven scale? not even close some of the only people that i truly consider geniuses in the full use of the word that have been out the last little bit are stevie wonder, prince, frank zappa and id be afraid to put anyone else in that category. im sure their are others so no one blow a gasket

im basing this on so many elements, stevie is blind and his music is and what he is able to do is amazing
prince has every element, plays all the instruments proficiently, amazing song writer, dancer, producer,actor, entrepenuer, lyricist. prince has very very rarely cowritten a song and usually records the album by himself. also like zappa was a very prolific artist that put out large quantities of first rate material.

4 reasons not to bother listening to providman
1. he's an asshole
2. posting shitty, meaningless posts
3. he's an asshole
4. wannabe asshole

4 things you should do before posting here:
1-4: Read the rules


/jarmo

jarmo that guy right their gone!! are u listening mr security man, that guy gone! give me that shirt, give me that shirt, thank u !!!!!!

lmmfao!

On number 4, how do you know it'll never see the light of day?  Do you have special information saying it wont?  EXACTLY!

Yowza!!
Exactly D!!

Oh boy, I get to go another round with Younggunner!   8)



Actually, people don't like Axl because he hasn't changed.


What culture?  The Backstreet Boys?  N'Sync?  Eminem?  Because that's what is popular now.


Actually, he is stuck in 1993.  As the old adage goes, "you're only as good as your last record."

how hasnt he changed...every article i have read since like 96 has said that axl is completely wrongly percieved and is truly a nice guy and is not an asshole like he used to be....

i dont mean adapting to shit groups liek that.,..and although for the most part rap is a joke...eminem and a couple of others are legit and good....just because peopel like u are stuck on old groups doesnt mean its right. i could give two shits what u liek or whatver but i guarentee u the media would have a even gigger field day bustin on axl if he still wore bike shorts......i just dont get why peopel care what axl looks like? and he looks fukin cool anyway..the whole band looks cool..their all different. cant wait for the videos...buckethead and robins creativity will come thru.....

we can keep goin back n forth ....i mean im not hear to bash the old band. im hear because i have appreciated the old bands efforts a great deal but now i am ready to embrace a new era of gnr....im lucky enough to be able to understand that the past is the past and that thi new band will be just as good or maybe even better....if u dont liek axl because he picks his nose the wrong way or doesnt jump 100ft in the air anymore then i feel bad for you...slash still smokes those ciggs the same way so maybe hes more suited for all the haters...peace out

Just because somone is percieved as nice doesn't mean they are nice. Adolf Hitler was a nice person, if you met him, by most accounts, he would be perceived as nice, but that does not make him a nice person.




Actually thats when he became not cool. Although I dont mind the skirts. When he was cool he was just wearing regular t-shirts and leather pants.




A new era of GNR. Sounds like a big corporation to me.




Yes I agree. The past is the past and now we are in the present. But better then the original Guns n' Roses. I seriously doubt that. But everybody is entitled to their opinion.




Well Slash is just cooler then Axl.

How many Mr. Brownstones are there?

Back to the thread, 4 reasons:

1. and I'm bored
2. I don't worry 'bout nothin, cuz worrin' a waste of my time
3. I already left you and you're better off left behind
4. 14 years of sadness, 14 years of pain

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I think I was the first.

Or second at least to the song name.  :)

I entirely agree with you Younggunner!
Stop complainning.It`s Axl`s call, he`s the professional and the singer.
That`s his work,so LET HIM DECIDE, people!
Concentrate on something else, if you please,or just respect the guy! >:(

And why are we bringing up a pointless topic from a year ago?

I don't see why people are bringing back old topics like that. Let's close this one for now.