Here Today... Gone To Hell!

A guy is offering all 4 GnR Hammerstein shows for $95 on DVD-R.

Who wants to split the cost with me.... if we get 10 people its under a $10 spot each.
I have me and 2 buddies already.

I need 7 of you to come up with $10.

Then I will rip/torrent these FREE FOR ALL THE GUNS FANS.

PM Me and we can order today and have these online ASAP

Nice idea, but what do you know about the quality of these boots? Have you seen any footage of them?

Is it the same guy that has released the (2) 8 minute clips from Friday and Sunday?

he sent 2 screens that look good
i requrested more

I would need to see linages and screenshots of the dvds first before I get involved.

darnkass can u PM me the stuff he showed u... before i send u the money..

then il be all for it...and do u have AIM ? pm me

Can someone please post the link to these (2) 8 minute clips from Friday and Sunday?

The best video from the new shows I've seen, was a 10 sec long clip from Rocket Queen, which was great. Anybody knows if there are other videos fro  the new shows with the same quality as the RQ-clip?
Thanks

(http://gser.ethereal.net/axl1.bmp)
(http://gser.ethereal.net/axl2.bmp)

heres the 2 he included in his 'advertisement'

and i requested more

Is it the same quality for all of the shows?

yes all werwe shot from same location it seems.

same guy who did the MSG DVD

Oh well then they are going to be great then. I'll add some money to my paypal account. So count me in!

ok I got 2 replies so far.

$10 covers the cost of getting them.

For $5 more I can burn copies/send them to you too. (that is costof shipping USPS Priority+blank DVDs) I am making no profit on this ...for fans only. not a business move.

id prefer paypal as im going to paypal him today.
but $ is ok too

I'll be happy to pay the 95 bucks, total.  At that point, I'd of course torrent them for all.  Dankrass, let me know if you just want me to bite the bullet on it.  No skin off my nose.

-darknemus

Count me in.
I was at Friday's show and had the time of my life.

Dankrass, I'll have 20 paypal'ed to you this evening, assuming the deal's going through.  My offer still stands to assume the entire cost, though - let me know.

-darknemus

PM sent to dark. Thanks Craig!

Great to see the real fans stepping up during these exciting times.

I ordered new mics and recorder for the Hammerstein shows and flew out there and as you all know, you are listening to the results right now FREE.

Rock & ROLL!

Count me in for the 15 dollar deal....


and please if u get a chance.. reply to my PM

oh and even if dank plays for it all (which would be awesome thanks man!)... id still like a burned copy shipped to me... so instead of just 5.. id be willing to pay 10 cuz ur doing something aweseome.. thanks!

I'm in as well for the $15.00 deal.
PM sent.

I'm in for $10 or whatever is needed. PM me or email me.

ok darknemus and I are coordinating the purchase from this guy.

sit tight folks and well get these ordered and torrented.

once we have them, I will ofer a B+Ps on these for all you

ps: dont pm me asking if you made the cut on the 20 CD-R deal... you will be notified!

You're receiving a donation from me whether you've already covered the DVDs or not, the audio effort alone deserves it. You've got PM.

B+P to Norway would be too expensive, waiting for the torrent? :peace:

just to clarify: we dont need any individuals to kick in $ now. we have it covered.
if dark wants to take donations to help him out on the costs, thats his decision and im sure hell make it known.
this is out of my hands now basically - it was just my idea!

and dont offer to send me $$ in appreciation for my audio recordings.... this is not about dollars and cents, its about MUSIC

take care

wow, the quality looks awesome! Thanks for all you guys who sent money...

I think there will be no chance to have those converted to some smaller quality, huh? :(

Ok, cool then, but if anyone needs my help for authoring, seeding or whatever, just send me a PM or email me.

Wow, awesome. Thanks to all the fans for taking the time, money, and effort to bootleg these shows for us all.

Can't wait to have these DVDs burned!

you lot are pretty respectable people


:)

Rock on.

hey, dankrass, thanks so much for the Audio, they sound AWESOME, I have one question, are you only doing B&P for the video or will these be torrented as well??

see page 1 of this thread. dark said he'd torrent the videos.

im doing B+Ps for these shows fo rpeople who cant download torrents for whatever reason

OK cool, but let us know if you need help with seeding etc.

my computer is up 24/7 on a fast connection.

 ?.... that rhyme was unintentional i swear. anyway, i will definitely help in the seeding process and keep them up all the time. also, i have 24 gigs worth of website space im not using if people want to try to download it directly from my site.

just pm me when the files are ready and what help you will need and i will do my part.

You are a class act.

Thanks to you and Dark

Looking forward to the torrents.

 :beer: :beer: :beer: : ok: :peace: : ok:

If you guys need anything let me know.

I was there on the 15th and had the time of my life, I can not wait to watch it again.

Thanks a million

also, how is the sound quality on these videos?

if its kinda piss poor, i did a lot of video production, if you guys can score me good sound i could sync it up and improve the videos audio.

I can be a super seeding machine too, in July when my Broadband becomes 8MB

:D

thanks so much!! it's very very appreciated.

remco

Thanks for everyone who has helped in this! If you need help with seeding, I can help most likely.

no clue on audio. these cameras tend to use a shotgun microphone that has a 'clear' sound but is not full really

if yours are better (havent had a chance to download it yet) ill mix it in. did you only get the two dates i see (14 &15)?

who knows, maybe in a week or two a soundboard bootleg will turn up like in 02. this would be especially possible if the dvd rumours are true id like to think.

If the audio is Bad, I can insert the audio from the torrents and sync it up with the DVD

exactly what i had said.

o ha, I didnt see that, sorry

last night i saw a pretty large dv camera shooting from the approximate position of these still shots. it was sitting next to one of the light fixtures on the first balcony and there was no attempt made to cover up its position. who ever made this tape could never have snuck a camera that big in.

there is a chance that whoever made these bootlegs is in with either the venue or the crew or the band, so maybe it already has sound board quality sound on it, but who knows.

anyone see the MSG bootleg, hows that one sound?

So, any chance of this being ripped to divx or some smaller format?


Good quality, but no soundboard.

i have yet to seen the madagascar boot.. can u PM me the link please? : ok:

If dark or dank needs help either a) offsetting costs or b) seeding the torrent or c)anything else..

Let me know, I'm in.

Regarding soundboard recordings, is there no way to 'tap' the signals from all of the wireless amps / mics etc.?

I know it probably sounds a very 'n00b' thing to say, but is it possible?

And, do roadies / soundboard guys often give away show's recordings when the price gets right? (I only asked at a Darkness gig, and the guy said it'd cost him his job)

depending on how these look i might edit them down to one video that would include the best performance of each song, best solos, guest appeareances, and every song, so it would be like one three hour long concert. also if he provided enough coverage with zooms and any angle changes in each video i could help make it look a little more professional.

my effort will depend on the sound though.

yes you can record off the In-Ear-Monitors (IEM)

ive never tried it as I am not a soundboard fan in general.... i love the warm AUD sound.
and these IEMs are usually very 'thin' in sound

nowadays, because everything is cheaper with digital and no tape is involved, bands record almost every show because you never know what you might want to use for something later. ?all we have to do is wait for it to fall into the wrong hands (like in 02). it shouldnt take too long with something like these hammerstein shows. i think they will be highly sought after.

Ahhh i see

So did people do this? like, for clarity?

And thanks for answerin' that :)

Thank you all who helped in this, i?ll help seed for a very long time!  : ok:

cool!

I am more than willing to put in for this thing, but I do have a question. My computer and its equipment is not up to snuff to be able to download the show in full. Now I have a DVD recorder, so my quesion is this: Once this is done, could I get a copy from someone, and in turn I could make some copies also for fellow board members, to help each other out. I just cant download it from the net, but I am more than willing to make copies for other members if I can get a copy myself.

Great to see fans helping fans out, I only just noticed this thread and looks like your all set. Hope the trade goes well, and thanks for starting this dankrass and everyone whos helped donating  :peace:

Exactly the same here!

Dankrass, I don't think I thanked you for your boots at all yet. Shame on me, because the're absolutely fantastic. The GnR community owes you big time man!  : ok:
Seriously, I couldn't thank anybody working on "liberating" this baby enough. You rock! *bows down*

Once it's out, PM me. ?I should be able to help you out and burn some DVD's for you, provided our flaky DVD burner decides to cooperate (and it usually does, with some cajoling).

You'll just need to provide me with a shipping addy...I'll even "eat" the postage provided you're in the US or Canada.

We'll talk once their out. :)

wow   the quality looks great....

i hope this will work out : ok:

Thank you to all involved - if you need help seeding and can tell me how to do that - I will help - please keep it in dvd format not mpeg though

Thank all of those involved for doing this. Great members of the GN'R community. :smoking:

Thank you so much. You are a life saver. I will do that. I am also willing to help other "less fortunate" GNR fans as well.

Okay, here's where I'm bursting your bubbles...

I don't think he's going to start mailing the DVDs until he has had MANY orders... Not just one... Remember VR Roseland? The filmer is no stupid jackass - he knows that they will be torrented, so he's going to try to prevent what is happening here from happening...

Man this looks sweet, i might make some covers already :D

Great idea btw, just above about tapping into the wireless signal -> thats a bit extreme and could possibly ruin everyone's fun.

Soundboards are got either by

a) knowing the sound/video guy and jackin' into the desk
b) claiming hearing difficulties and getting a like hearing aid loop thing

if you guys manage to get these, thank you very much for putting time and money into giving everyone something for free.

IF anyone needs anything let me know!  I'd love to have a copy of these!

Jay

As soon as Dankrass provides me payment / contact info for the seller, I'm picking up the cost and ordering them.. preferably tonight/

-darknemus

Back Off Bitch:
Good Point and you are probably right... he wil probably take a bit to get them out to us.

BUT.... who cares? Woudl you rather pay $95 to have them next week or wait 2 weeks or so and we can all DL for free?

wow.. this whole gnr community are really awesome... look at everyone getting into this and willing to help.. from seeding to donations to burning free copys to send out...

you guys are really awesome... this is great....


Thanks dank, dark, and everyone else who is putting time effort and money into this project..

im sure in a month or less... everything will be distributed and perfect! : ok:

Are you sure you guys don't need any more $$$?

Ugh.

Well, I promise to seed as long as I can when they make their way out to the world!

(and I do agree with what was said before.. these people aren't stupid... they will collect the $$$ for a week or two and then start shipping the dvds out)

I'm willing to toss the seller a couple more bucks if he gets them out to me quicker / gives me shipping that I can track so that I know he got them out to me quicker.  I have no problems with spending the money.

-darknemus

I would just like to state that DARK AND DANK R PROBUALLY THE COOLEST GUYS IVE EVER MET? WHO AGREES?

Is it the same filmer "Kevin" who did the Stones show? Those were delayed for a few weeks for pretty the reason you mention though filmers know these things will be torrented and treed so they make most of their money from ebay sales to people who don't know or care about such things. In general I think selling boots sucks, but when the money is going to the guy who took all the risks/costs of filming it in the first place then it's much more understandable.....IMO

Fucking awesome.  I was at the first 2 shows and would love to see the last 2.  Especially the last one with Izzy!

Hard to disagree with you. They truely are great  : ok:

i'll contribute some aswell if it's needed

To everyone offering to help w/ the purchase of the DVDs.  I appreciate it but lets just wait until the sender gets in contact with me.  I'm prepared to make him a pretty decent offer if he gets the things out to me like, tomorrow.  At that time I might take some people up on their offer to help - but don't worry, I'm fronting the cash forward on this.  Soeriously, I know some of you peeps are like college students and stuff.. I just made 200 freaking dollarsfor about 30 minutes of computer work for a friend and his girl.. and I do stuff like that often... don't worry about me, I'm solid :)

In all seriousness.. Lets just let this happen and then worry about all the other stuff :)

-darknemus

You have no idea how graciously thankful I am for you guys doing this. I simply cannot express my feelings of thankfulness. You guys rock, and I'm starting to see the GOODSIDE in people on these forums. Cheers, and as RazZ once said, "Did I mention, FUCK YOU." <<<Not really meaning that

-Manbearpig (super-serial) :beer: :beer: : ok: : ok:

Ok, just give a peep if it is anything I can contribute with!

And BTW good work guys : ok:

i will put in

any word on the guy selling it? is the deal done? let us know..

I THINK I SPEAK FOR EVERYONE WHEN I SAY "HOLY SHIT IM FUCKING EXCITED!" :hihi:

Hey I am new here, I actually found this forum from another forum but I am very interested in this DVD.  Please let me know what it's like when it comes out, I would gladly give money or even trade a T shirt from the show for a copy (I attended 2 shows on the 14th and the 17th and have a few extras that I bought) :yes:

Thanks!!

Welcome to HTGTH!

Here are pictures from my e-mail:

(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8640/13yx4.jpg)

(http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/8057/22wx.jpg)

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa can't wait  ;D thanks to both darks! hehe ... :love:  :-*

WOW great shots, CANT WAIT TO GET THE DVDS!!!!

sweeet pic

damn I cannot wait to see these shows.

i have to say i was worried about a month or 2 ago,i had just ordered my dublin and download tickets and i WASNT  too excited.i started thinking how much money i would save if i didnt go and how much sleeping i could do while i was off work if i didnt go to see GNR.now today i downloaded the 2 shows dankrass recorded and uploaded and it wouldnt matter if i had 4 FUKIN ROTTWEILERS hanging off my nuts and a FUKIN DONKEY FUKIN ME IN THE ASS,id still be at them mofo shows.so a big thanx to dankrass for restoring my faith and helpin me spend all my wages on my true love GUNS N FUKIN ROSES  :hihi:  : ok:   :beer:

ps if theres anything i could do to help with these dvds then just PM me,maybe a handjob  :hihi: (just kidding  :no: )

 :rofl: watch out with your words mr w AXL ROSE...A DONKEY CAN ACTUALLY APPEAR SOME DAY  :rofl:


 ;D

Wow, it looks AWSOME!! :o :o

Thanks you all for doing this!!!  : ok:

I was talking about how great the gn'r fans are at a message board that I'm moderator. See, there's no fan of other band that would do everything that only the gn'r community does!!!

Thanks you all for this!!  : ok: :beer:

Not sure if this was posted or not... but Nights 2, 3 & 4 have NO close-ups whatsoever...

Only a newbie, and I may be COMPLETELY off.

I'm pretty sure that all the Roseland shows are filmed by the same person(s). In 2003 when AC/DC played there, a fan saw 3 camcorders. All 3 masters were bought by a guy in the UK and it's remained unreleased since then (the filmer's made copies for themselves, but were paid extra not to release them). I assume the guy figured he could do the same thing here and sell it. Or he could just be like some filmers who sell their masters.
If ANYONE can hook me up with the guy who filmed Roseland, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact me. I have been dying to see Roseland since the day after the show.

Don't crucify me if my info is completely wrong!  :peace:

?:hihi: i dont care as long as i get to them fricken shows,ill drag the mutha fukin donkey there and back.

lyric change to dead horse

sometimes i feel like im dragging a donkey
i dont know why he keeps fukin my ass
id like to think my butts worth a tad more
it may sound funny but theres no way id be smilin ?:hihi:

As long as he didn't shoot it from a cell phone, I'm happy.  :hihi:

dark and dank, thank you!  :beer:

as long as the guy isnt trying to stand on one leg while sking down a steep slope while filming,im sure it will look cool with out closeups.

ps thanx to darknemus for covering the cost upfront  : ok:

That's a shame about having no close ups, especially the 4th night since it would be good to see some close shots of Axl and Izzy. But oh well I'm not complaining it's still great people are putting the effort in to get these.

But there is a 2 cam from night 4!  And even though there are no close ups the venue is small so they should be very good shots anyway.

Anyways all this talk of torrenting may keep these DVD's from appearing for awhile. ?I mean they will get sent but as said before I am very sure that the seller/filmer will want to recoup as much money as possible before they let it out to the masses. ?Unless, of course they are offered a very substantial amount of money to where they wouldn't care.

where did you hear about the 2 cam, is it from the same seller?

Not sure if it's the same seller.  I found it on a sellers sight.

I'm In TOO.. Whatelse u want or need... PM-ME

Just want to express my gratitude for the effort being put forth here...If either of you guys need anything, be it cash, seeding or otherwise, look no further.

FYI, the seller has yet to respond to my email.  Just keeping you all in the loop.

-darknemus

I can help with anything , just let me know how and when.


whats the link to this 2 cam 4 th night ?

Ask for and Audio sample

No link, it's just on a list.  Don't want to give the site out as I'm not sure he would approve.

Torrent it in a site that all of us have acess, like dimeadozen :D..

I can help with $$ too, but i don't know how to send the money, because i'm in brazil
anyone can clean this ?

Ask for AUDIO! samples Please!

i will pay whatever it costs to get a copy of the shows. some one please message me and let me know how much money or what you need me to do to get a copy. only thing is i cant do the whole torrent thing. i cant get it to work on my mac.

Please count me in too, I will do b+p or $. Whatever. But I am in.

I would love to work out a deal to. Just like GNR Estranged I cant get torrents to.  Let me know your favorite bands, I have lots of stuff on everybody. Please PM

Thanks

You guys fuckin rock, thanks a lot. Like others I just want to express gratitude, it is awesome how everyone has been so cool with sharing those amazing new york shows with the fans that could not go.  :peace:

count me in what ever you need.. ill pay for all 4 shows..

Guys, you ROCK! Thank you very much for all the effort you put on this : ok: I would really like to have this and I am willing to pay.
 :beer:

You guys and gals are true fans - Thanks for what you are trying to do for us all.

Yes THANK YOU!!

who's authoring the dvds?

I would love to get in on this, whether as a B&P or simply to drop $10 or $15 in a bucket.

Let us know what you need us to do.

seems I'm a bit late but nevermind. thanks for all guys, looking forward to this :drool:

Count me in for the $ 15 deal. PM for details is OK. Bit late I know...

Thanks so much for doing this guys!

Just thinking here.... If you will be the first people to get these dvds, could you not use them to trade for something else rare first and get that out to?

Of course im not greedy though, i think 4 shows would do for me!  :hihi:

I know the taper and have drop alittle email as well.Do not pm me with offers I want to see if I get a reply first also.

I'm also interested in procuring the 2 camera shot for the 17th.  Is that by this same guy?  Can someone PM me a link to where this stuff is being offered?  I'd rather get this stuff locked up sooner than later.

-darknemus

I got you on AIM , my name is flicknn on there , btw

Hi all

I can lend a hand too if needed. I can do authoring, video editing and all that if needed.  Almost like pro stuff....
So if any help needed on that side of the dvd's

If any help is still needed in getting this stuff so it can be torrented ASAP I'll help. Please PM me and let me know. As soon as I get all four downloaded I can seed for weeks and weeks as well. I have a decent ratio at both DIME and pctracker but they could always use some help!

If more money or seeds are needed let me know.

By the way Hi to everyone

hey guys, at work and cant read the whole thread. been away for the past day, can anyone tell me what the status is with this project? where we are at?

thanks.

i got a reply from the taper , just trying to work out some minor details

Ok, I've purchased all 4 discs.. they will ship out to me within 10 days and I've requested they be overnighted to me.  At that point, we'll work out the rest of the details i.e. distribution and all that.

I'm also offering the seller a cash incentive to get them out to me sooner, so we'll see if he / she is interested.

-darknemus

Nice work. When all is said and done if you need help seeding, or B+P help, or $ to offset the damage, I'm in.

T

Awesome! Thanks so much for your work on this. Do not hesitate to let me know if I can help in any way, shape or form with this.

awesome. keep us all posted, so we can all do our part.

thanks.

Just to say, this is great to see. First off that you are willing to pay that much for some bootlegs, but more importantly that you are willing to share your possesions with the rest of us. Thank's to all involved, especially the guy who taped the shows!!!

Thank you dark for all you're doing and for letting us know. I will start working on some DVD covers for these. I think they'll be done whenever the seeding will start.

What's the deal with the close-ups by the way? First, Dylan says there aren't any close-ups except for Night #1, then GNRArnold says there are close-ups on Night #4. So, who's right in the end? Thanks.

I guess I'm a little late, I just saw this thread, but if you guys still need any help on this one, count me in :)

There are closeups for night 1 and night 4.  I'll post the descriptions here below:


(I edited a couple spelling errors in the quote - otherwise, its exact)

-darknemus

sounds like between the 4 shows the taper mightve gotten decent coverage. if i can get good sound and sync up the light show on edits, i might be able to edit this all to look like a multicamera 3 hour plus show (taking the best song performances per show, using the guest star performances, best solos).

cant wait for the torrents so i can get to work.

thanks again dark.

Wow, so all these are actually 4 x 2DVDs...! Awesome, quality should be great. Thanks for the information dark.

No problem.  I'll keep you all in the loop as soon as I know when they've been shipped out and all that.

-darknemus

This is amazing, feels like Christmas

I really appreciate this Dark. No words to describe the gratitude. : ok: :beer:

this will be an awesome chance to break final cut hd in on my new apple.

if only i could get the 2 camera show raw footage.

I have a friend who is attempting to buy the masters of, I believe, these same recording sessions - but I have no clue how / if that's going to work out.

-darknemus

I can help with spreading this , once I receive it.

Great news everyone. A tremendous gift to us all.

Still haven't posted here !

I want to thank you for doing that for all GNR fans 8) That's really great !!! THANK YOU SO MUCH !!!!!

awesome. the closer i get to the source footage the better the quality (due to dvd compression things like that) also id like to try and make my own complete edits rather than edit around someone elses edits.

im looking at the set list and it looks like im probably going to use most of the 17th, with T.W.A.T. from monday, and the 14th and 15th for wide shots, but ill wait until i see everything before i make any final desicions.

this is awesome. probably take me all summer to complete, but still awesome.

Great Job - If any help is needed please let us know. : ok:

I gotta say: Thanks a million Dark. You're doing a favor to all traders and GNR Fans.

Right now it's just awsome to be a GNR Fan.

I am so impressed with everyone right now. I'm proud to be part of this community. What a great collective effort!  8)

hey, im gathering my notes for this huge edit of the shows im planning on doing but i cant find a May 15th set list in the usual spots on this site, can anyone help me out? know where or what it is?

thanks.

is anyone going to be willing to do B&P's for these? or can someone put me in contact with the seller so i can buy copies since i can't download and burn dvd's. please?

from what i hear.. once this gets out.. its going to a few people.. who will start sending them out to more people.. who will probually send more out and etc....

hopefully this will work out and we will all have DVDs!

almost too good to be true :peace:

Thank you sooo much for doing all of this for fellow fans dark.  Your are a very big, very awesome man  :beer:

To anyone / everyone who's worried about getting copies.  Don't panic.  Even if you can't torrent or burn DVDs or whatever, we'll make sure you get copies.. B&P or whatever it takes.  Thanks!

-darknemus

sweet dude, thanks a million!!!!!!!!!!!!11 :beer:

Darknemus is the new mattbober.


kudos, my friend.

so we'll be able to dl these puppies?

lol - How bout I just be the new darknemus - which kind of like the old darknemus, only with new kung fu action!

-darknemus

chopsticks also ?

Thanks Dark!  Let me know if there is anyway I can help.  I've got a few dvd burners actually, and I'd be more than happy to offer b+p's for ppl.  Just let me know if there is anything I can do.
THANKS!

Thank you guy's, god this feels like 1989 all over again. Think im upseting the wife cant stop talking about GNR lol.

GN'R is more important ;)

these dvds are from the same guy that shot the velvet revolver nyc dvd in 2004, so they should have superb quality.

what are B+P's?

I was sent some pics of the 4th night from the DVD's and there is inded close ups.

I dont know that either.....  :-[


Dark, you're the best, man!  : ok:
 
I hope we all get to watch this stuff!

everybody will get these , ;)

B&P means Blank CD's and Postage. You send a self addressed envelope, complete with stamps to cover return shipping and blank CD-R's/DVD-R's to someone who's willing to burn some shows for you.

Cooooooool!  :o

Thanx for explaining, GnN !  :)

like send thme to me !

Yep, B&P is exactly as explained.  Here's a very basic rundown of how I plan on doing this.

A. I get the discs.

B. I will torrent one of the shows immediately.

C. I will also send copies of the shows via the mail to a few people (I'll work out who over the next week or so)

D. I will ask those people to try to torrent the same show I am torrenting at that time - in order to maximize distribution of that show.

E. Once that's complete, we'll repeat the same basic steps for the other three, torrent wise.

Please understand that we're talking about 8 DVDs here which is about 32 GB of data, give or take.  Downloading this stuff will take you a while - so you're going to have to definitely be patient.  As long as I can get some help from peeps, everyone should get copies in a timely manner - its when we deal with situations like someone dropping off the second a disc is done downloading that issues arise.  This has to be a group effort or else you're punishing everyone.  In addition, I have no issues with calling your happy ass out if I do see that kind of behavior.  Don't be a dick :)  Just relax and be patient and we'll make sure everyone gets what they want.

Remember, 8 DVDs, 32 GB.. this is going to be quite an adventure ;)

-darknemus

damn u gotta love the GNR community : ok:

if i could make a donation i would but unfortunally i cant :(

any other way i could get a copy of those four shows? i would love that so much :drool: :-\

What about those of us who live in Europe?

I can be patient enough to d/l them, but do you think we could do this via mail as well?

damn :( i can only download 30 GB per month  :no:

Yeah, I'll be sending copies to at least two people in Europe.

-darknemus

Cool, thanx again dark!  :)

(still, I'll go with d/l since I can d/l as much as I want, but it would be cool if these 2 european people could make copies for more european people!  :D  )

My friend has one of the fastest computers ive ever seen.... i can probually torrent the shows really fast...

if you want me to help... let me know dark.. and ill get u my adress and such. :hihi:


Lets all do this, ?camly and good..
If this runs smoothly, that would be so awesome!
the gnr community rocks. need i say more

We should try and do a tree with these shows. It will help get these shows more widely distributed and help out the people who can't download them.

i?ll keep my fingers crossed for a copy cause i wont be able to download them

I'm a proud GnFnR fan !!!!!!!!!  8)

just_one,

Don't worry - you'll be taken care of.

Everyone else,

We can work out the tree details later on this week or whatever.  Let's make sure I get the discs in hand before we go into too much of a panic over who / what / where / when.  At that point, I'm game with whatever's necessary to maximize distribution in a minimum timeframe.

-darknemus

so am i ?:peace:

yeah, i was thinking the same...


but 8 DVDS.. will be hard work.
i hear someones picking best songs from all of them mixing it to a 2 dvds
maybe we can spread that one... just a thought

Where will you torrent these at? ?It would be cool to torrent each disc simultaneously at all 3 trackers. ?Dime, PC Tracker, and the GNRUS tracker. ?That way everyone has a shot at them.

How can I get in on this? Im real interested....and really want a copy of these shows!

all I need now is a price and info and I'm down

Spread that one last. ?Some would rather have each complete show and then maybe a mix DVD, like me :peace:. ?8 DVD's will not be that hard of work anyway. ?Each torrent can contain both discs from the show, that would be the best way from stopping the leech and runs that will happen when they are torrented one DVD at a time. ?When that torrent has run it's course then the next show could be uploaded. ?You're looking at a week, week and a half, maybe two tops for each show.

oh well... lets not worry about it until they start being spread through our community...
whatever we get.. will be awesome  : ok:

I think a tree should be set up for must who can not download .


decide if you want to be a branch or leaf ...

the branch gets the shows ready then sends them out to the leaves ?

like 8 branches ,,,,,then each branch is assigned a leave


tell me how you think about that ?

something like when u get the dvds u will burn some copys and send them the some members?

yep

a selected of group of members in your particular country

i can " take care " of the portuguese members then

get all the portugesse members to pm you their address , who from america do we have ?

okay then.
if any member from portugal is interessted in a copy of the shows PM with the adress.
as soon as i get the DVDS i will make a copy and send them

i can help with america

btw any word on the quality of the audio?

it supposed to be really awesome quality :hihi:

OMG you guys rock!!! Thanks so much!  I was at the 5/14 show and I'd love a copy of that.  I'm definitely down to pay shipping costs for that show's dvds and any other costs that may arise.  Hell, I'll even send some blank DVDs!

Please just let me know :D

Thanks again!

OK, normally I don't post here, but I have been reading this board for like 4 years or so. But this is the right opportunity to start posting.
I just have to express my gratefulness towards the whole GN'R-community for making this possible! Wow! I'm nearly speechless right now, this is so cool! Thank you very, very much to everyone involved in this project, especially darknemus and dankrass and everyone else who is helping in the way that he can. What a great community! ?:)

final_touches

check your pm , you need to hook people in new york up  , as soon as I send them to you

shit, you got it man...you hear that NY...i will hook y'all up! :D  thanks man!

i'm also in new york, would love to help people get these dvds also. i was at the hammerstein on the 14th. i would be willing even to buy them and burn and rip, or even torrent for others.

Im in Australia, Id gladly help getting it out to the other aussies on the board.  : ok:

Hell yeah. Count me in. When I get a copy, I am more than willing to help others out in America. Lets do this thing!

This is really really great of you! You rock!!  : ok:
I really want these shows, can't wait! :D

I'll help seed the torrents, but which program are you gonna use?

yeah thats me. im going to try and make it one huge concert. see if i can work it to be multiangled too so itll seem more professional, but it really depends on the source material.  ill be able to give you a idea of my plan once i see everything.

glad to hear people are interested, makes me more amped to do it.

dont worry man, i get pretty busy sometimes, itll be alteast a month or two before i can put the big edit online for everyone.

Not worried and I hope you didn't take that comment the wrong way.  I always love to see stuff like this.  Just wanted the full shows first is all.  That said though I would love to see some cool compilation mix DVD of these shows.

I have never been able to figure out how Torrents work but I can surely send you a box of DVD-R's and some postage and handling money and eagerly wait by the mailbox. Oh and I got a decent DVD Burner if anyone needs the favor returned when/if I get copies. I was there on the 17th and having all 4 shows on DVD would make my year!!

I didn't read all the pages, but I can help with distribution in the US.  I'll buy a copy and then collect a list to distribute. This sounds awesome.  The MSG DVD is really good, can't wait to see these.

i don't have a dvd burner, but i'd like to pay for a copies of the first and last shows to be sent to me, if possible

i will also help upload and all that jive if it's needed

hook me up with some info?

I can help out in Canada with no problem!!!

btw, I really appreciate all the offers of help.  Lets wait til we get the discs in hand and then I'm all about enlisting as many people as possible for the cause :)

Enjoy your night, everyone.

-darknemus

i'm from canada as well and would be more than happy to help spread the show up here.   :peace:

thanks dark. ?i think these NY shows are just what we need til the euro tour starts. ?and then im sure the floodgates will open with shows. ?*hopefully*

Dude, you guys are so awesome. I was at the shows on the 14th, 15th, and 17th and I would love to have dvds.

I know you don't need anymore $ to cover it, but I would be more than willing to donate some for the cause!

$100 to the guy that gets me all DVDs for each show first.  :peace:

Thanks a lot to all the people involved in this, especially Darknemus and Dankrass! thanks a lot for this, for being so generous, its very appreciated!

again,

thanks a lot!!!  :peace: :smoking: :beer:

THANK YOU !!!!!

If there is need of money, please let me know, I will kick into the pot for sure!  And will make sure to seed "for a fucking while"

If you still need some donation let me know. I'll gladly help out.

I def want these on dvd how much will it cost to get copys of all 4 shows on dvd r ? I can seed for torrents and I should be able to also be able to burn copies of the dvd's and help get them out .

My daughter's disowned me!


I'll help in the UK

I'm thinking about spreading this in czech community, but I better wait for someone from europe to do B+P, postage to&from US is a bit expensive for me... I'm poor :P

IM in dude. Just pm me ! :peace: : ok:

I have prepared 4 DVD cases for the shows ;)

hope you all like them, and I for sure cant wait to see these dvds.

heres the link:
http://rapidshare.de/files/20935484/Greend..._Cases.rar.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/20935484/Greendog_s_Guns_n_Roses_Hammerstein_DVD_Cases.rar.html)


low quality preview...
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e181/greendog1986/GNR/12thMay_DVD.jpg)

I would love to get all of these shows, especially the last night.  Please PM me if you need some money. 

I'm in too if you guys need the help let me know!

I too would be willing to chip in.  PM me if you need to.

At this rate, everyone will pay about 7 cents each!  :hihi:

Oh man, this is awesome! I would LOVE a copy of the 5/15/06 show.   :yes: : ok:

if i can get a copy (i'm in germany), i'd be willing to torrent the show on the PC tracker

Buy it, Ill use my botnet torrenters to have over 1,000 seeds for the shows.

If you're saying what I think you're saying, I have no interest in using a bunch of peoples' PCs that you didn't get permission to use in order to help distribute.  In the words of Axl who was doing a pretty decent impression of the words of Baz "Dude, why do you have to be such a DIIIIICKKK?"

Botnet stuff is for script k1dd1es who have way too much time on their hands.  If you're gonna hack - at least have some ethics about it.

(If your meaning is something different, thant I apologize in advance)

-darknemus

hey guys if this helps i can get my friend to manufacture the dvd's where he works so i can probably get all four shows duplicated pretty quick, the only thing is I go on tour for a couple of weeks on wednesday but i'll be back on the 7th of june.  If I can help in anyway let me know

greg

Is the excitement still there ?

 :D YEAH !!!!!!!!!  :D

 :beer:   :beer:

I don't know if I can help from Greece, but I'm willing to!

this stuff just went out on ebay! ahh fuck

the taper does that all the time , no worrys . sometimes you gotta bite the bullet to liberate a show ...e.rrr .......four shows

Where is it on eBay? I'm not seeing it.

I think he is talking about the cd's . I don't see the videos anywhere on there.

my bad .. its the audio not the dvds

i misinterpreted a pm i got.. but yeah anyway thats still gay all the torrent are free thanks to dark and now this guy is selling darks stuff to get money... motherfucker :hihi:

dank not dark... my bad

So, I didn't undestand yet. They already bought the DVDs ? or they are waiting for something?

I have paid for the discs.  I was told they will ship in about 10 days. I've also paid for overnight shipping so that once they do I'll get them the day after.  I'll keep everyone informed of the status as I know it.

-darknemus

HAHAHA! 10 days, LMAO... He told me that a couple times, it took a month for them to be shipped out... And you might as well have just flushed the overnight delivery money down the toilet... He usually just puts stamps on the envelope and drops them in a mail box.

Well we'll see what happens.  He's guarantted me FedEx shipping w/ tracking.  We've had a few conversations now.

-darknemus

i have had no problems in the past with this taper ,...

And in about 9-10 months, hopefully they'll be on blu-ray discs (which are 25 GB for single layer discs, 200 GB for 8 layer discs). And those will be even closer to the master. Can't wait for the shows!
Any GN'R traders out there that will accept AC/DC in a trade? I'd rather trade for these shows than do B&P.

AC/DC....

consider it done


what are we trading again? lol

gnr ac/dc fav bands
whatever u want to trade.. ill get it and do it lol   G-N-R-A-C-D-C FANS UNITE :beer:

This is great news! Thanks for spearheading this Dark, and a big thank you to everyone else who made this happen!  :beer:

Hopefully, this has shown the people who film GN'R shows that the GN'R fan community just want to see their favorite band perform and share the joy, and hopefully that will encourage them to, in the future, give this stuff up for free. I am taking my DV camera to Inland Invasion in September, and even though I haven't got the slightest idea how to transfer DV to a computer (and I doubt my PC could handle it), I will send the master DV tape to Dark or anyone else who can make it available to the rest of the fans. Hopefully, most of us feel that way about it.

But I digress... Thanks again for this collective effort!  :beer:

whats the website for this guy?

I would definitely do this too, it?s a great way to spread to fans, got some friends in latin america who might be wanting this very bad, just like me in central america? : ok:

Oh, and THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GREAT WORK AND EFFORT, TRADING COMMUNITY ROCK ON!!!!

well I'm definitely after it for Czech Republic, I'm gonna spread it with minibOOn from gnrportal.net

Dark is there any chance you could ask him if he has the ability to burn these to dual-layer DVDs so we can have 4 shows on 4 discs instead of having 2 discs for each show?  I have a dual-layer DVD burner and would be more then happy to B&P since im sure most people would rather just have a whole show on one disc.  If you would rather just continue with getting the shows on 8 dvds could you tell me the sellers contact info cus I'll probably go ahead spend the money to have them on dual-layer discs if he can do that.

Also im gonna try to look into posting these on a newsgroup somewhere, everyone who has newsgroup access would be able to get them really fast this way

Dual Layer DVD is 7times more expensive (at least in our country) than regular DVD+/-R, it's not the best way :confused:

maybe not worth it to you but i'd much spend an extra $15 or so to get 4 blank dual-layer dvds and have 1 disc per show, which is why i asked for the sellers contact info if dark would rather just continue with the 8 DVDs

That?s a great, great idea, very, very nice, i?m sorry i repeat so much sometimes, it?s just that i?m so damn excited!!!!!

Thanx again to EVERYONE giving something into this!!!!!!!

well the shows will be reauthored for sure, so I think there will be DVD-DL versions as well. we'll see :peace:

ok Dark,, been readin for solng here, not posting in any board, but this one its hard to not to say a single thing,,,, the thing is... are you sure about all this?? i mean, i dont want to be the prick who turn the hopes down, but, you say you have talked the guy right?? so i think this is serious... seen the pics, i suposse they're screencaps from the video, but have you asked all the things you need to protect yourself of being ?mmm lets say "mugged"? (spell?) ? i mean, i would have asked for a 10 sec clip of each show if i was spending at least more than a $100 US... not that is too much money, but consider all the factors and all fans and readers of this board that got their hopes up when one guy said "i'll be here next week with news that rock the trade community" (fagg),,, or things like that,, i mean, lets hope this worked well,, and by the way, have you asked about the source?? ?maybe i didnt pay attention to every single post in this topic but i mean, the angles, the camera, the encoding format, and most important, if these DVDs are gonna be authored by this particular guy? ? i think i saw somewhere that is the same guy who made MSG02, but only taped the show right? ?wouldnt be great to have an authored version of Jarl? or Will?? (not to suck their balls off but they do such an amazing job on that!!) ?

And finally one last though that maybe everyone in here are gonna bitch on me for this thought....

-Remember how Velver Revolver were supossed to release a live DVD of their first gig?? ?And then they didnt 'cuz it was already out there as a bootleg,, and its been said that those 4 shows were recorded for a DVD release, and also read somewhere that those were filmed in HD!! ?So, the question is:
Would you prefer (hypothetically (spell?)) ?an Jarl Will Limulus etc authored version od those 4 shows? ?or----
A fully official relase of one DVD cam mixed of 4 shows in High Definition????

Again, i hope everything works out great for us fans!! ?: ok: im there for anything, from money to encoding to posteage to seeding w/e,, just name it!!!

By far, best post i've ever read in few years!! ?

audience shot, even authored by someone as famous as people you mentioned, can't match PRO-shot version with professional authoring. so I don't worry. if we're gonna see it, we'll see it : ok:

how hard is it to get a SBD of ANY of the hammerstein shows ? :S

And is there a possibility it has been done :) :S ?


Jonesy

it's VERY hard. sbd should have been stolen or someone should have paid the soundboard crew... anyway I don't think some of this happened, so we're gonna getting just a decent quality audience recording.

ahh , i see

Coool :)

Hey is this these dvds from the same boy who uploaded the 10 minute medley mpeg recently?

I could seed, also.  If you want, PM me and I'll send you however much it is you need in order to make copies of the DVDs and then when I get them, I can seed them.  :)

I upload at 384kbps, so not very fast, but pretty good.   : ok:

no, the medleys were from another source (markymark) that will be out soon as well :beer:

Well thats pretty sweet then, hopefully we can get a 2 cam mix of the 12th out of these!

Looks damn good. Thanks to all iinvolved for making this happen, especially sir dark! :peace:

i could do the transfer and any editing needed.

Same here!

Pretty sure it had nothing to do with bootlegs being out there of the first show as the quality of the boot that is going around is shitty as in VCD sourced.  Although there may be a show from the master somewhere in someone's hands.

And even if they do release a official DVD I am very sure most if not all will buy the thing anyway.

i'm debating on whether to get copies of the masters. i got this in 1 email from a seller:

all shows come with case and artwork, all will be chaptered off the MASTERS!!!
i can't give exact shipping date but i garantee you'll be the first to get these if you get them now
DV CLONES are also available for the first three nights



Dark, i've bought stuff from this guy alot, i seriously doubt they'll be shipped overnite, and probably not within 10 days either. i could be wrong, but i doubt it. His vids are always worth the wait though, i've never gotten a bad one from him.

Have you (or the guy) got any screens of Izzy from the 17th?

Sorry to ask something so particular but i just want to see some fresh pictures of him

Thanks
Jonesy

Just stumbled upon this thread, awesome work, guys. I must have a copy of these shows! The GNR community is indeed full of great peeps. I will definitely participate once the waves are set in motion ...

Thanks so much for everyone invloved.  One question though, how are these going to be released?  Are the 4 shows going to be released "as is"  without any editing, or are we going to get one or 2 shows with shots all mixed together?  I for one would recommend to release these as is...then if someone wants to "edit" them, they are more than welcome to do so. I just think it would be cool to see all 4 shows with the original audio, instead of an overlaid track.

i concur

they are being released as is.

i am doing the edit as a personal project that other members of the board have shown interest in, so ill torrent it or whatever when i am finished.

fear not, you will get your original footage.

ace!

you rock  8)

Very cool. Any and all work put into this is appriciated by the entire community I'm sure.

rockin  : ok:

I can vouch for the taper , I have and know of people who have dealt with them as far as back as 4-20-2004 uniondale new york metallica ....so it is very good and the shows will be coming . I say no to deul layer dvd's , simply because I dont have a deul layer player or burner

what is his website

shit dl burners are cheap now. i have 2 in my pc 1 even has lightscribe on it cost me $80.00 no more

As long as these start being torrented we can all burn them any way we want right?

what is the guys website?

Thankyou to everyone involved in this. We all appreciate it.

This is going to be awesome - I can't wait!  :beer:

when these are torrented--i will seed for weeks on end : ok:

thanks guys  :peace:

ya, but dual layer dvds are more expensive

yep, every DVD burner nowadays can burn DVD-DL. but quality DVD+/-R cost 0.5€ here, DL media cost 4€.

in the usa dl are $3.oo and up each

anyone know the website for this taper? i wanna check out what else he has... please?

This is great, can't wait for these DVDs to be torrented. GnR all day baby.

Could be wrong, but I believe their are "secret" websites for the major tapers and bigtime collectors. I would guess these guys don't want the general public knowing too many details.

Holy shit man...listen up people....

...if the quality is ANYTHING like the 4/20/04 Metallica show....we are ALL in for a special fuckin treat!

So when are these DVDs expected to arrive? Gettin excited....  ;D

maybe they taped 4-21-2004 uniondale , the one with the deul cam , is the on eI am thinking about .

This is the guy who released the 9 minute clip from Hammerstein with different songs mixed into it, right? The quality was great and I cannot wait to get the full shows!

No, not the same guy...

hey can someone pm me when they get the copies. i cant get the torrent to work on my mac but i really want the copies of this show. i will pay whatever it takes to get copies of the dvds.

not for a couple weeks yet. when i ordered mine, he said approx 10 days after the order is placed, it'll be sent.

cmonnnn 10 days  is not 2 weeks , it is a week and three days .Oder place like 5 days ago 

I just ordered my dvd set(s).  I have ordered from the invidual before, and he did not disappoint.  He must be swamped with orders.  Hence the 10 - 14 day waiting period. 

I'm just hoping the torrenting starts sometime soon! We'll all seed for each other for sometime I'm quite sure. I just can't understand why this guy wouldn't just send it right out if he's being paid especially if he's not paying shipping. Why the hell would he care how fast they get out as long as he's getting paid??

He wants to maximize profit before it's torrented.

Oh. Has anyone seen anything from these DVD's that aw coming?

Exactly!  He's no dummy.  I would bet it will be a bit longer than 10 days.  Just an assumption.

Minnesota, No Money, No blank DVD's.

What's my chance of getting the set?

Torrent = you get it.

-darknemus

hmm, how long till these dvds fall in the hands of  authors, i really would like to have those dvds authored  : ok:  :yes:  please, please

If someone could enlighten me on what "authoring" means, I would appreciate it. I don't burn DVD's, never have. So I don't know what that term means. Anyone?

adding  menus , chapters , or /and audio alternatives to a mpeg_2 file on a dvd .....basically

Ah, I see. Thank you for the info!  :beer:

so, has it been said where these dvd's would be seeded?

as far as I know, it will be at GNRTracker, ParadiseCity tracker & dimeadozen, maybe yet somewhere else

....metallifukinca.com

I know the site has a bit of a 'reputation',  but to maximise seeds, how about torrenting on the (Swedish?) http://www.thepiratebay.com ?

I think LOTS of people use it...

Jonesy

One problem, I've never used torrents, and don't really plan on it, seeing as I don't have the space  ATM.

you people shouldnt worry. everyone is going to get their copies. either by torrent,or trade or b&p.

because it's not private tracker.

kickass cant wait for the torrent..

Why shouldn't the torrent appear on public trackers? Not saying I agree or disagree, just wondering about the reasoning.

same here.

why?

because this is meant to be released for the fans, not for every guy next door. sure it will appear at public trackers sooner rather than later but opening at private bootleg trackers is the only right way. you know why? because public tracker allow hit-and-run behaviour, every asshole can come, download the 32GB bootleg without seeding a single byte. private trackers pay attention of everyone's ratio, so everyone who wants to download anything has to seed, so this ensures that just true fans download the stuff.
you may say how stupid this is, that newbies can't download anything because they don't have appropriate ratio and have nothing to seed. this is wrong, every leecher can seed their actual download so there's no problem. you can join every private bootleg tracker (every of them has the rules but for example some waiting at GNRtracker or active account at PCtracker aren't such pain in the ass).
in my opinion, public trackers are just useless and people seeding there are crazy... these trackers are full of fuckers who just leech and offer nothing to seed, limiting their seed to zero. that's why I personally don't like public trackers.

I see

Fair comment.

i dont totally agree. if all of us are downloading from the public tracker then we already know it will have seeders because we promised to seed it. also, what better way to remind the world that GNR is back and that they still kick ass than with a bootleg of a hammerstein show. cause even after NY im still running into people that 1) didnt know they were playing again or 2) have a really negative opinion about the band because of things theyve heard in the past.

these dvds offer a good chance to turn that around and actually make chinese democracy a great success. i know a lot of you are already under the opinion that it will be automatically, but seriously guys most people think GNR is a joke now. thats why they did the hammerstein, to spread the word here and warm up the US before they return.

B+P...ive never done before..

i do have about 20 blank DVDS i will never use..


i do not have a dvd burner


when sending out for bp do you send it in one of those yellow big envelopes?
stupid question, i know

Doesn't matter how you send it, unless it arrives safely..

very good point there...

true. that's true. I underestimated the fact we're talking about GNR. so let's see what happens :peace:

well the other problem with private trackers is that i'm guessing the torrents won't be posted on ones im a member of.   if you're asking members to devote time to these torrents, a la uploading a lot, that requires more than a love of gnr.  i came late for the hammerstein audios at dimeadozen, and there's no way i'll ever get a 1:1 ratio since i missed the boat on that.  and honestly, i don't care enough about a grateful dead boot to download it, then seed it just to get my ratio back up so i can download gnr.  at the site i belong to, i have a 1.6 ratio, and thats with about 160GB uploaded.  i agree public trackers suck, but still, i don't want to miss this because my dimeadozen account is suspended for a bad ratio. 

anyways, however this ends up working, im sure fans will be getting the dvds.  thanks again to all involved.

Yeah

take it as it comes

:)

Dont worry Axlander it'll be on bootlegs...... : ok:

Those DVD?s will spread faster then you think.
At first the will be in a few torrents.
I think between 500 and 1000 people will get them true torrents.
A few will get them true B&P.
Some might even buy or trade for them
They will be uploaded to those free download website?s by some people I guess.
They will be in newsgroups.
And off course they will be in hub?s to.

Now do you really think not 1 of them will torrent it on The Piratebay or some other public tracker?

Johan

I'm pretty sure I've got someone that'll be able to hook me up when they get them n' have time.

But, hopefully you uploading it on GNR Bootlegs will bring some more to the site.

I have a question now...where does those DVD's will be seeded? Dime or another?

I think all of the above page was debating that question.

I'm sure they'll be on both Dime and pctracker at least.

I'll upload them as soon as each torrent is downloaded!

Just a quick update:

A. I've now got two - three people in the UK who will be getting direct copies of these discs as soon as I can receive them / ship them out - should help with the UK / Europe B&Ps.  (I'll give everyone details on who they are once I actually have the discs in hand)

B. To those who have paypal'ed me money to help cover the cost(s) associated with shipping & blanks, I thank you.

C. I've asked about buying the masters - however, currently the seller doesn't want to part w/ the 17th 'close-up' shot master.  Not sure why - if / when I get more info, I'll share.

D. I've got a POSSIBLE lead on full footage from the acoustic show.  Please realize that its just a possibility right now.  If it happens, of course I'll share.

E. There will be a decent set of people in the U.S. who will be helping out with distribution as well.

F. This might be insane - but does anyone think torrenting all 4 shows in one .torrent might be the way to go?  I'm just concerned with people dropping as soon as they grab a show and not sticking around to help others.  I still haven't decided what trackers to use.  I'll sort that out here over this weekend and stuff.

-darknemus

This could be prevented (atleast a bit) if the seeder limits his/her uploadspeed (when seeding per show), but also uploading all the dvd's in 1 torrent could do the trick. I understood that the shows are double dvd's and uploading about 30gb in 1 torrent..will slow things down...and also (hopefully) the leechers...but then again we can't prevent ppl minimizing their uploadspeed....and alot of leechers do that.

All i can say that i will dedicate my full upload speed to this when it comes to torrents. I am in Dime and Guns N Roses Tracker v.2.0

No matter if its one show per torrent or all in one. You can count me in for sure! and i am online 24/7

dark, I think its better to create 4 files to each concert.  can be more independent. The user can choose what concert he want first. I don't know..

Yeah, thats the direction I'm leaning it at the moment as well.  I was just considering the one torrent for all four shows as a possibility.  Chances are I'll just do each show separately, though.  I just don't want anyone who wants a copy to get screwed over because of some leech.

-darknemus

what do you mean by this:


is there one more 17th shot?

Yes.  The 17th is a two camera shot.  He will part w/ the center shot 'master' but not the close-up one.  Not sure why.

-darknemus

i too am expecting some discs soon so as soon as i get i will be offering B+P to UK and Europe
will you be able to post a clip so i/we can see if we are using the same source

I personally thought that might be a cool way to go too. Did you decide where you'd be torrenting them first though? I'm hoping for Dime or pctracker, I can seed there for weeks no matter what the size of the torrent is.

Probably PC & Dime.  I have about 50Kb/sec upload speed avail so if I cap each at 25Kb/sec that might not be a bad idea.  It'd take a while but the nice thing about Dime is ALOT of people would jump on it, which helps tremendously.

-darknemus

Yeah that makes sense. Thank you for the info. As soon as this is available I'll be jumping on it. One more question if you don't mind. Is it acceptable to stop torrenting once mine finish just to burn them to DVD then start seeding again or no? (Just so I know in advance)

Actually stoping a  seed is not required to burn a show to DVD

i don`t know if dime is a good idea if you want to prevent the torrent from leechers....


paradisecitytracker and the gunsnroses.us tracker are solely dedicated to gnr and don`t have that many users. also, members have to keep their share ratio high...  i think those trackers might be the better choice.


and what is going on with the accoustic show?

so when are u gonna torrent them?

At the moment, nothing.  I believe I have a lead on an individual who has it.. but we'll see.  Its mostly just me trying to be resourceful at the moment. If / when it comes to fruition, like I said, I'll be sure to share.


Once I get them.  Probably within 2-3 hours of receipt of the package, to be accurate.

-darknemus

Oh ok. I used to get some problems with my DVDs, for instance they would freeze here and again. I always thought it was happening because I burned them while I was seeding. This is good news then!

Does anyone know why the freezing might occur on certain DVDs I've burned then?

what program are u using? you might try another one...
or don't use too many programs while burning

whenever i burn a CD or DVD i will shut down all other programs or even do a restart and turn of my broadband connection that way the processing power is dedicated to the burner and i dont get skips

I was using CloneDVD2 and I have since switched to Roxio 8. I haven't burned too much since I switched but I'm hoping I don't run into too many problems. Any other programs I should look into?

Personally, I use Nero to burn all of my DVDs.  Have had no major issues that I'm aware of.

-darknemus

I have always heard good things about Nero but I have no experience with it and I'm scared to dump $100 (or whatever it costs) into it, ya know? I use a totally seperate program to burn CD+Gs, do you know if Nero will do that too by any chance?

russtcb,

Check your PMs.  And I do believe Nero does CD+G - but I'm not positive on that front.

-darknemus

nero costs fifty dollars , and there is even a trial version on nero.com you can use also.


imo, best burning program out there

i have been using roxio 7 for almost a year with little to no issues.  i have heard from lots of people that nero works very well too.

let's face it , if your running on 3.00 cpu and a gig or less of ram you will have problems with torrents and burening.Torrenting sucks up alot of computer resources

I'm running a DuoCore at 2.8ghz with 3 gigs or DDR2 RAM. That's why I'm confused by the issues.

Maybe you could try copying the folder with the DVD and burning from the copied folder, not the one accessed by your bittorrent client? I've never had problem with playing/burning and seeding at once, but I'm on a Mac.

your running at 2.8 that says it all .....bittorrent uses alot of resources....it doesnt crash your computer. but it certainly tends to lag at times i bet

Wow thats hard to believe that .20 that much of a difference in processor speed would make the difference when I'm running triple the average ram. Also, that doesn't really explain why I didn't have this problem when I ran all the same stuff on a P4 at 1.7ghz.

My powerbook runs at 1.67, and the bittorrent client uses 7-12% CPU ?

It depends which client you use for bittorrent- use utorrent (mu)- it has the smallest memory footprint of any I know, and the best performance.

I generally use BitTornado

Download nero, that's what i did :)

I accuired Nero this afternoon  :peace: I'm gonna install it some time tonight or tomorrow when I'm not working and try that out.

Sorry to continue to be so off topic, but how is Nero for making audio and mp3 CDs too?

its really good, i love it, but for dvds sometimes i?d rather use dvd rhink, when they are encrypted  : ok:

I rarely ever copy anything thats encrypted. I usually just download concert bootlegs off of Dime or pc tracker so that shouldn't end up bothering me too much.

it works great , you can even donwload a patch to burn flacs directly to cd , through nero

can we have the patch link

i know for a fact on the dime they will not let u do all 4 dvd shows 1 torrent. they will want 1 show 1 torrent. u do not need to go to the pct to torrent it jarl will do it there i herd. but not all can get there so for alot of people that belong here or other boards need the dime for the torrent of the shows

Not so familar with the term....whats a patch link?

I am positive not everyone here is registered at DIME. What happens to those who aren't members there?

http://www.tracker.gunsnroses.us/browse.php

??? what is this besides a web adress most people have?

a torrent site ran by this board of gnr

http://www.chinesedemocracy.com/

But why post it here when just about everyone knows about it? That was my question.

Because someone asked where else it would be uploaded besides DIME.  He obliged with a link.

It took me less than 30 minutes to register there.



Unfortunately it seems to require uTorrent, a Windows-only program.

oink
metallifukinca.com
dime
pc tracker
 to name a few



the traders den , is another they will be on

So nemus, what's the latest man?

Ok, the last time I registered at Dime, it took over four hours. I guess they have a quota for number of registered users.

Basically waiting for the discs.  Once I get them, I'll be doing immediate shipments to a few people in different parts of the country / world - in addition I'll begin to prep for the torrenting.  Don't worry, once I've got them, you'll have them shortly thereafter :)

-darknemus

i download there with azureus : ok:

which people will benefit? What  about those who can't torrent? I have a Mac and can't do torrents, but I said $$, b+p, or trades are  fine with me.

Sorry for going OT again, but I understood from your post that you're not using torrents because you're on a Mac. Torrenting works perfectly well on Macs, at least for OS X. I'm using the Bits On Wheels client (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/17129), but there are many others to choose from: http://www.macupdate.com/bittorrent. If you're using OS 9, there's still hope: http://btfaq.com/serve/cache/11.html

For those who can't torrent - that's the reason I'm sending copies immediately to people in other parts of the country / world via mail.  So that they can help with B&P.  Don't worry - no matter what, you'll get the shows if you want them.  We'll make it happen.

-darknemus

Great Man  :drool:  :peace:  :beer:

Thanks, but the links  don't work. I click on download and nothing happens.  :-[

Ok, I got it to download, now what? How to use the programs? Sorry, I am new to this and don't have a clue what to do/Thanks! I am using OS X 10.3.9.

its a link to the patch,

http://www.bitburners.com/Nero_Audio_Plugins/

First of all, put the 'Bits on Wheels' program file in your Applications folder.
Then download a .torrent-file, for example this: http://www.legaltorrents.com/bit/pearl-jam-life-wasted-video.torrent (it's legal). This is a small file around 50kb in size.
Find the 'pearl-jam-wasted-video.torrent'-file that you just downloaded and doubleclick it.
Bits On Wheels will open and automatically ask you where you want to download the torrent.
Choose your preferred download location and click OK.
That's about it!
You can view the download progress in the Bits On Wheels application. It might take some minutes before it starts to pick up speed.

wow man your the coolest ever!!!  :peace: :beer: :beer: :beer:

I want these shows so bad and also a dvd of RIO5 if that exists, my damn pc crashes when ever I try and torrent I dunno why...but damn i'd pay money for these shows - i just need to see them!!

Dark, once you get the DVDs, please don't torrent all 4 shows at the same time. Some people don't have the necessary bandwidth or storage capacity to keep 4 big torrents running simultaneously. If you want people to stay and seed as long as possible, I suggest you to put up a new show every 3-5 days. But that's up to you to see  ;)

Agreed.  I actually just paid my ISP to double my upstream bandwidth in order to make this process as smooth as possible.  You're right, though - bandwidth is a commodity, and in some places, people just don't have alot of it.

-darknemus

Did you decide what order you're gonna put them up in?

I'd guess in the order of shows, chronologically?

12, 14, 15, 17

-darknemus

Ok cool. I know it was kind of a stupid question, I was just curious. Seeing as the only show I made it to was May 12, I'm happy to hear your answer!
 :)

Yeah..
Did the DVDs arrive yet?

Nope - the seller told me he'd be shipping by June 1 so I'll get in touch with him tomorrow to check on status.

-darknemus

 :beer:

Can't Wait

This is going to be great.

Thanks Again : ok:

Thank you very much! Can't wait for this!

The first dvd to come out is just about finishing up for me and alot of others right now. I'm sure it's not nearly the quality of the ones coming forth, but it might get us by until then. Anyone interested should head to pc tracker. I will be seeding (along with alot of others I'm sure) for quite a while.

Yep - looks like my download on my home PC just finished up (I'm at work at the moment).  I'll be seeding that one for at least a couple of days.  Might have to drop the total upstream down to 40-50K/sec but I'll keep the connection going for anyone who needs it.

-darknemus

Dito

Which DVD is this?

Unfortunately I cant get access to the PC tracker.. I registered and was approved etc but I put in an old email address and basically couldnt get access to complete registration and I tried to get help and explain but no luck I'm afraid. Guess I'll wait till it's all up on dime.

Its a DVD someone put together of a couple of the Hammerstein shows.  Quality isn't the best, apparently - but the efforts damn well appreciated.  You should go to PC Tracker and send the admins an email - I'm sure they can help you out with your problem.

-darknemus

I might do, it was a while ago now.. they seem cool there but just haven't really followed it up since :)

Dark.. where will you be seeding the shows once received?

Definitely PC - quite possibly Dime / gunsnroses.us's tracker.  Different people will be seeding different places for maximum coverage.  We'll work it all out.

-darknemus

I just watched the majority of the disc and it's pretty good. It's awesome to have some better sound from the first show. The discription of the DVD is pretty accurate as far as camera work. Not the best but definately appriciated!

I don't know how the PC tracker works, but I'm registered there. Dime works great for me!! I can download there with speed about 600Kb/s!! I know it's because there's a lot of seeds and blah, blah, blah, but I can't get this speed in other tracks even with a lot of seeds.

The problem of Dime is that they are some real pain in the ass when it comes to their rules, your torrent can get banned for no reason :no:

You have to apply for an account at the support forum there. there's a thread about the PC tracker in this forum,check it out

contact me by sending me a pm and i will see if i can fix you're problem.

for all those others that don't have a account yet:

request one at this link:
http://www.paradisecitytracker.com/support/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=522a6fd13455828a2ead97fb6a58be18

make sure you read the info about what we need to know from you here: http://www.paradisecitytracker.com/support/viewtopic.php?t=2

Johan

*waves*

dont forget about me duder

:) - I'm not forgetting about anyone.  I just want to get the discs in hand before I start making concrete plans with each individual / group.  Don't worry, everyone will get these shows (who wants them) period. 

-darknemus

any word on the dvd darknemus? : ok:

They guy said it would ship today (June 1st)...so probably not much new info at this point.

Shipping today!!

YAY!! You rock more than is possibly imaginable  :peace:

Actually, in my last email conversation with the seller he assured me it would ship out by next Monday at the absolute latest - however, his target was Friday / this weekend.  Just keeping you all informed.

-darknemus

Awesome, hope it all works out good for all, really looking forward to this! :beer: :beer: : ok:

Oh man i can't wait to see TWAT in a good quality !! :D

I want to see this DVD too !!  :-[

The one disc that's floating around has pretty good sound on TWAT. I can't wait for the new discs so the picture and sound are even better.

Well darknemus has this clown even sent them yet?

what's the info on the 17th show?  How is it shot and did you ever get previews (Pictures & Sound)?  Thanks dark for getting the DVDs to the fans. 

i hope the arrive soon, great job darknemus!  : ok:

I had an idea to throw out, I noticed that dark was just going to go in chronological order of the 4 shows. I was thinking maybe we do the 12th and the 17th as the first two because I think a lot of people are looking forward to seeing Izzy hop on stage. I understand if people want to wait for a surprise I only brought it up since the 14th and 15th shows we already have the audio for thanks to dark, clips for the 12th and the 17th seem to be more sought after. Maybe a happy medium would be the 12th, then the 15th, then the 17th, then the 14th. That way it is spread out more, I guess it all depends on what everyone thinks. I just thought it would be an interesting point to raise. Anyway whatever you decide it fine with me I am just pumped to see any of the shows. You all rock, cheers  :beer:

Either way, I think we are just all waiting for the faitful day when they do arrive.

hi guys

guess I spend too little time here. The DVDs havent arrived yet?

if u read just few posts above yours....




there...  :hihi:

I think darknemus is gonna let us know as soon as they do. I'm having tons of problems w/ my burner so i'm hoping to get that all fixed before they hit!!

Quick update... basically its just the waiting game at this point.. I sent an email to the seller this morning to see if they would ship out today - have yet to get a response. .but that's kind of normal... usually takes him 8-10 hours or so to respond to me.  I'll keep you informed.

-darknemus

GREAT !! LETS WAIT !!
And has the new intro !!

THANKS !!

Ok.. Seller's responded.

They will be shipped out Express today, I will have them by Friday.  He's refunded the money for the overnight shipping I paid for - which was a nice gesture on his part.

-darknemus

 : ok: : ok: : ok: : ok: :peace:

Thanks For The update? :yes: :beer:

Just to check, what dates are you getting? All four?

Thanks again darknemus, can't be said enough  :beer:

Correct, all four dates.

-darknemus

Are you Santa Claus ?
hahahaha
thank you darknemus, you rock

Ohhhhhhhh MY GODDDDDDDDDD

I CANT DENY THIS IVE BEEN TAUGHT NOT TO MURDER AND FIGHT THIS!!

Lucky i just bought 50 DVD+R's.

Thanks dark for the update.  What are the details for the 17th show?  I truely appreciate, and I am sure everyone else, what you are doing. 

Not sure - just know its a 2 camera mix.  Guess I'll find out on or before Friday.

-darknemus

Thank you so much darknemus!  : ok:
And everybody who payed this guy.
You are very nice people.  :)

I have some screenshots.  Looks like some great close ups.

like waiting for santa i bet, dark.  i'd be so giddy lining up my beverage and tv of choice knowing that was hitting my mailbox.  just don't get too drunk and scratch the discs, lol.  you're doing a good thing here...

u do not need to drink to watch dvd of gnr or any dvd for that matter

Fuck yea dude thanks for all the updates and shit :beer:

darknemus is the coolest guy i dont know

Thanks dark for the update! I am totally looking forward to this!

Thanks for the continued effort in this. Just let us know when those bad boys drop on your doorstep!

Ok, sorry, that was funny.  Even a friend of mine chuckled at that.. thanks.

Back on-topic:  Of course I'll let you guys know as soon as the discs arrive.  In fact, I should get a phone call about 2-3 mins after they do.. so.. I'll inform appropriately.

-darknemus

hmmm,i live 2 states over from NY so maybe,just maybe,i'll have them today or tomorrow!!!

Cheers again for all this :)

show of a gratitude here as well.

i cant wait due thanks!

Said it before and I'll say it again.. you the man Dark!  : ok:

Wow thanks Dark!! I already posted before that i am interested in the DVD for the 15th, however, i've lost track of the details on how ppl are getting the dvd's.  Can anyone just inform me on what will happen and how things are distributed? thanks

Help me, I need a dvd of the 12th.  Oh the pain.

dude thats the same  post in 2 threads..

jeez..calm yourself.. u will get it soon.. probably even tonight just download it

Once I get done with the seeding, I will happily B+P the 17th show for anyone who can't download.

Hell, if you live in the US and are interested, contact me now and i'll send you the info on the B+P

I really feel bad for people who can't download torrents, or don't have a burner.