Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I have idolized Axl since the age of thirteen and will continue to to so but what the fuck are they on about regarding Steven Adler? Frank is a geat guy. But hey Axl nobody plays it better then Steven

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/steven-adler-explains-his-absence-from-guns-n-roses-reunion-tour-they-just-didnt-give-me-the-opportunity/

Steven Steven Steven

Read the article Axl accroding to the articel wasnt nice to him. Why? With your bilions of dollars against a former addict  who whants to play for his fans. He was superb on drums durinf Farm Aid Frank is nice and good. But it breaks my heart what you are doing to Steven.

He said that the original plan was that he'd play all of appetite Lies and Illusion stuff and frank would play Chinese and the covers.

If that is true and then they scrapped it , I understand him being upset.

I also thought him playing one song a night in Argentina was odd.

Truthfully I have no problem with anything he said, he doesn't really have a way with words, but he didn't say anything too outlandish.

It's  a shame! Axl is a fucking billionaire. Steven been hit whit fucking tragedy in his Life. But now he is able to play. Why the fuck w. Axl Rose are you treating him whit disrespect?

This being a dead topic soon. But Steven ADLER is tha man on the DRUMS!

Steven on Drums ! no to Frank

I will never take what Steven Adler says as absolute 100% truth and neither should anyone of you.


I mean, he also has said that he was kicked out of the band due to musical differencies. That he thought Axl wanted to be Elton John and that November Rain should've been on some Axl solo album, when in reality it took him a million takes just to get Civil War right.

Do you really believe this shit? Would you hire a former employee if he/she acted like Steven Adler has in the past 25 years?

It is true that no one plays the AFD songs better than him and I would love to see him on stage with the others, but I'm not taking his word for anything other than what it is.

It really sucks that Steven pinched a nerve and it also sucks if it's true that he was supposed to perform longer at more shows.  How much more amazing those shows would've been if Steven had been playing more!  Having said that, I would wager that Steven's back problems were a bigger liability than he wants to admit.  I doubt he just hopped up and was fine.  I can understand the band being nervous about putting that many songs every show on Steven's shoulders right after his back surgery.

I'd agree that the 1990 rant wasn't necessary to go through all over again -- and it's sure to give all the Steven haters more fodder.  Steven should be avoiding that question like the plague at this point, and just focusing on right now.

However, most of what Steven said about everything else was positive, from the very first line.....

"It was, 'Thank you, God, for this beautiful present."

and then....

"I was on stage in front of seventy thousand people with Slash and Duff and Axl.'  I just wish Izzy was there, but, shit, I got to do it.  Thank you, God. 'Cause I wanted it for twenty-six years.  All I did every day was, 'Please, God, let this happen.  Let this happen.  I wanna play with them again. I wanna do this."

I take all of that with a massive pinch of salt. He stills seems massively in denial about the issues of the past- drugs and things. Despite the fact that all members of the band have at some point referred to him having to leave because of not actually being capable of performing.
Also- I imagine there are still issues in this area. If he's still using (and we don't really know he isn't) there is no way Duff and Slash would want that on tour with them, sober as they are now.

Basically- he tells half a story. He says this sort of stuff occasionally, and has done for years. I feel sorry for him in the sense that he's clearly so fixated on the past, but he has his issues, and taking him at his word is madness.

They had barely started rehearsing and Steven screws up his back.  He hadn't been on a major tour in years and it was probably apparent that he couldn't pull this off.  They moved on with Frank full time and I don't blame them one bit.

Steven Adler needs to be put on the record. His talent has been overshadowed by everything that went on in his life with drug abuse etc. There's no denying that he his the ultimate GnR drummer. He is part of the uniqueness that launched Guns n Roses. He deserves to be more of a part of this band again. I mean if it's ok that Axl's gonna perform and record with AC/DC then Adler should be invited back to Guns n Roses. The more I watch him play the more frustrated I feel that he's not involved more.

Have a look in Dead Horse. There's a thread talking about exactly this there.

Completely agree with you the guy got completely shafted from the reunion which was a fkn nasty way to treat him ,his drumming style is so unique and he is sorely missed from the tour, however sounds like they didn't want to take the risk with him on a 2 year trek around the globe at least Axl anyway who got Duff to do his dirty work and fire him.

The guy got fkn rightly shafted by Axl as fkn usual,why tell him he's in getting him to rehearse and then kick him to the kerb when he does his back in ,surely they could have thrown him a bit of slack and used him for half the show as was the original plan,if anyone can't be depended on its Axl we all know the fkn bizzare and crazy behaviour he's done on the loyal fans in the past ,And as for Duff and Slash they made Adler look like a monk with the amount of  substance abuse they did over the year's.

I thought the plan was to have him more involved but then he hurt his back? Then once he recovered he made a couple of appearances. If anyone got "completely shafted" I'd say it was Sorum, who I doubt an offer was even made to guest at a show. I suppose I get why he wasn't brought along, I don't particularly care one way or another.

What makes you think Adler is telling the truth?

Yes  that's right on this imaginary album get Steven a spot.   He'll get me a spot too. 

haha! I think one thing people never ask is WHY the band wouldn't want Adler involved? Of course they would. It's bankable, fans would like to see it, etc etc. There is no reason to exclude him, unless he's unreliable, a total liability a pain in the arse, still using, and/or spouting crap all the time of course.

Exactly. I'm not sure Steven's plan was the same as Axl's. They were in need of a bassist and guitarist, not a drummer. People may like Steven more or think he's a better drummer, same with Izzy. But there are obviously reasons Richard and Frank remained in the band. Who knows what the original plan actually was, I just think very few if any would back up the plan Steven outlined.

It was reported by various sources (other than Steven himself) that Steven was included in early rehearsals, which suggests to me that he was originally set to be included a bit more than he ended up being included.  However, as I said in my first post, I can believe that Steven's back injury was a bigger liability than Steven may want to acknowledge.  I can see how that might have made the band nervous about including him on every show, and playing multiple songs.  But could he have been included a little more than he was?  Probably so, but who knows?

All of that certainly sucks for Steven.  Judging by the huge ovations he received from obviously reunion-hungry crowds, it's obvious that the fans did appreciate his presence and would've loved to see more of him during the entire tour.

Who knows

Perhaps Frank just works cheaper

Perhaps Frank doesn't annoy Axl as much? 

They def didn't pick frank because he has more talent. Or charisma or fans like him more

I say it has to do with my two points

Steven was on with Eddie Trunk last night and went over most of these same issues. He did say though that Fernando has some cool stuff lined up for the 30th AFD anniversary that the fans are going to like.  :peace:

Steven also told Trunk, "Well, it was January 2, 2016, and Slash and Duff both texted me and said that they wanted to get together and talk to me. So I went down to Duff's house and we had a nice little talk. They had me sign some contract thing and whatnot just so they could talk to me, which is cool; I don't care."

Factor in reliability there too, as well as (potentially) health/drug issues.

Check out some recent videos of him drumming too- there's no way he could cope with some of the more complex stuff. He's just not up to it, ability wise. This is a professional live show now, with expensive tickets- they couldn't possibly have risked Adler for anything more than small guest spots. Sure fans might get a pop out of seeing him on drums for a song or two, but a whole show in a long tour? No chance. They made the right decision in my view, and I'm guessing they didn't find it easy to make that decision. 

I'd guess he's referring to a non-disclosure form, which is probably standard practice when you're talking about things you want to keep a lid on.

If he did sign a NDA, talking about everything he talked about could very well have been a violation of the terms of the NDA. I have to wonder, if you can't trust someone to abide by a legally binding agreement they signed, how much can you really trust and rely on them.  Overall, I don't think this round of press Steven has done is going to help engender any good will.  If I were a betting man, I'd say we've seen the last of Adler guesting on a song or two.

Ali

I think the only thing that came off badly was him talking about when he was fired ...

Like Steven we get it ... they were all using too...we all know the story.

The rest of it ... didn't come off that badly ...


He was pretty complimentary of Fernando, Frank and Richard...

He just wishes it was the five of them ... nothing wrong with him thinking that way. Just not gunna happen ...

He joked about pushing Frank down a flight of stairs. I don't think that's funny, personally.  I find it to be a hint at the resentment he still holds.

IMO, taking your complaints to the press to try and garner always comes off badly, whether your name is Ron Thal or Steven Adler.

Regardless, I don't believe he was ever going to "share" drumming duties with Frank. I don't believe for a second that GN'R would ever even attempt to rely on him to that extent with such an important tour on the line.

Ali

I don't think any of this comes off that great.

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/steven-adler-says-he-only-got-to-talk-to-axl-rose-for-ten-seconds-during-not-in-this-lifetime-tour/

He's running his mouth about Axl every chance he gets. Yeah he says Frank is a nice guy... and that's the only reason he doesn't push him down a flight of stairs. He also says Frank plays the songs wrong. He says the reason why Dizzy, Richard and Melissa are a perfect fit for this band "is 'cause they're like fucking ghosts. 'Cause Axl doesn't wanna see nobody." He spills the beans about Fernando's plans for AFD's 30th when we have no idea whether those plans are actually going to come to fruition, so now there will be expectations and complaints if it doesn't work out.

None of this stuff is particularly complimentary.

Well wadda know  ::) http://loudwire.com/steven-adler-heartbreaking-watch-frank-ferrer-play-guns-n-roses/?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=newsletter_4511503

See, we were right....

I doubt he violated it.  It probably expired after a certain period of time.  If he signed it January 2, 2016 (as he says), then it could've expired after a year, which would've covered all of the shows Steven ended up doing.  I noticed he didn't say a word in public until after a year had passed and all of his appearances seemed to have ended (for now anyway).


No, it isn't complimentary when you're misquoting it and taking it all out of context, which you did on all those counts.


Gotta love "I Told You So" posts on issues that were foregone conclusions to begin with.  Did anyone need a web link, a crystal ball, or anything else to reach the syllogism that Steven would want to play more than a couple songs each night?  Gee, I wish I were psychic so I could've figured out that Steven would've wanted to play more than he did.   :P

He admitted he was heartbroken over it.  Predictable.  Understandable.  Big deal.  Hardly cause for controversy.



Yep, I said earlier that his rant about 1990 should've been bottled.... for good.  But everything else he's said never came off as anything other than the Steven we know: someone who is very biased towards and passionate about his place and history in Guns N Roses.  His personality is certainly forward and edgy but in these cases, it's only offensive when you automatically search for fault in anything he says.

I took selections out of context (with a link to where I got them from) to contest the suggestion that Steven's comments didn't come off badly, because they did when I read them. I didn't hear the actual broadcast. What did I misquote?

Most will agree that the band are playing pretty well on this tour and Axl sounds good,however a lot of criticism is directed towards Frank not that he is particularly a bad drummer but his style just doesn't fit GnR ,Adler on the other hand wasn't loud, boomy and heavy like most metal drummers; instead, he was light, happy, danceable. He brought the swing, the rhythm, the glam and the fun into GNR's signature brand of rock music, which is somewhere between glam, metal, and punk.I'd really like to hear Slash and Duffs explanation as to why he or Izzy haven't played a role on the tour because both of them come across as straight shooters instead of hearing from some inside source or Eddie fkn Trunk.

I think it's pretty easy to put 2 n 2 together on why Izzy and Steven aren't in the band full time.

This was never a reunion... Richard and Frank were in place and Axl was never going to jettison them for Izzy and Steven who he doesn't trust or particularity care for in the case of Steven...

Plus you are never going to hear Slash and Duff spell that out, nor are you ever going to hear them say we didn't want to share the money with Izzy and Steven... which I do not blame them for.

"Could've expired after a year".  Yes, "could" have.  As someone who has had to sign many NDAs in his time, a year is an unusually short expiration time.  That is especially true considering that the tour is on-going.

As you say, you're biased towards his place in GN'R history.  Maybe that's why you chalk up his "joking" about pushing Frank down a flight of stairs as "the Steven we know". Personally, I find remarks like that idiotic and unfunny.

He was gifted with those guest appearances. GN'R certainly did not need him to appear in order to boost ticket sales.  His interview comments reek of a lack of gratitude.

Ali

This all seems pretty logical to me.

Izzy is a total flake and Steven is an unreliable fuck-up.  This was Axl's most high profile tour in 20 plus years.  People don't like hearing that, and like to pretend that the world was just hanging on his every move with his interchangeable band or whoever the fuck.  Not reality.  They are selling hoodies on FB that we've all seen : Waiting for GNR Since 1993.  That's the mindset.

As you guys may recall, people were still making lateness jokes before Vegas last year.  Again, people got fired up because he had been "better lately".  Well, that was news to the world who hadn't paid attention to GNR in forever.

So let's make you Axl.  Everything needs to go off without a hitch, or your career is probably, quite literally, totally over.  That's not a formula that's going to mean 2 wild card variables like Izzy and Steven come back into the fold.

Might be that.  Might also be that Axl just does not like Steven and would have been happy to have Izzy involved but for the money issue.

While I agree with this, and with the fact that Axl likely had more on the line than Slash or Duff, I think everyone had a lot to lose on this tour.  There was a lot of money to be made for everyone and this was the one shot at a reunion.

Thankfully for all involved and for the fans, this has gone very well.  Better than I ever thought it could go, honestly.

Ali

But he's not involved in the current tour, and the band never knew how long they'd be extending it.

Either way, it's pure speculation how it was worded and if Steven violated it.


No, I said Steven was biased towards his place in GNR history....

But everything else he's said never came off as anything other than the Steven we know: someone who is very biased towards and passionate about his place and history in Guns N Roses.  His personality is certainly forward and edgy but in these cases, it's only offensive when you automatically search for fault in anything he says.

....which is why he tends to speak/joke that way.  Yeah, "I just felt like pushing him down the stairs so I can play!" isn't the best way to word a sentiment like that, but to me it isn't really that different from saying "God, I'm gonna kill him!" to a friend who just dribbled chocolate syrup all other your table.

And the "I'll kill you" expression is an in-stone piece of lexicon used by everyone.  Along with phrases like "I'll kick your ass", "punch you", "kick you".  "If you walk on my mopped floor, I'll knock you out!"   :o  All things that people say every single day.  Steven Adler said "push you down the stairs".  The very crowd that has a problem with that is the crowd that very likely uses all those other phrases and thinks nothing of it.

During his recent comments, Steven freely acknowledged that Frank was a nice guy.  I highly doubt he desired literally to push Frank downstairs.  It was obviously a piece of rhetoric he used to elaborate of why he wishes he were playing drums more.

That's absolutely spot on. Sums it up as far as I can see it. There is no way they were going to risk Izzy clearing off half way through the tour (or even the rehearsals), or Steven not being able to deliver. This tour is just too important to risk that.

And really- can we actually imagine Izzy and Steven carrying a stadium show? Watching the Izzy guest appearance at the London O2 he looks terrified and even struggling at times. Steven's drumming, while it fits for some of the early material, just isn't up to the standard needed. Hell, I don't want to say those things, but they're true- they just aren't at the ability needed. Imagine how much we'd be kicking off if shows were getting pulled because Izzy hadn't shown up, or Steven was messing up stuff mid set? And we'd paid a LOT of money to see it?

As for Steven's attitude to it all, it just seems business as usual for him. We've had this for years now. It must be a kick in the teeth for him this, sure, but he can't honestly be too surprised by it.

at least he speaks his mind.

sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's a bit pathetic, but in a way his addictions and lack of abilities
preserved him to become another corporate rocker who thinks first of diplomacy and bank account.

and yes he's wild, and no he doesn't think twice before opening his mouth. but who cares? if it's a
problem, that's not *ours*. at least his interviews are never boring, without filters.

I know we live in a political correctness world now where you will be crucified on Twitter for a bad word,
where the spirit of Rock N'Roll seems vanished, but I will never judge someone by his inaptitude to make
money or his inaptitude to be a rock technocrat.

and I didn't even mention he's the only one to do interviews.  :hihi:

The way I see it the reason this current tour is going so well is it's the first time that these guys have been healthy with their head on straight together as a group probably ever. Regardless of the circumstances he (Adler) is a liability to that relationship. I wish him well, and think he is perfectly capable of drumming, but he shouldn't be allowed in the same continent as Axl, Duff, and Slash if this is how everything with him is going to go.

All very true. But he's not up to the job of doing a megabucks stadium tour, and that's the reality we're in.

says who?

Easily the most competent and professional tour in the band's history.  It's been nice to see.

Himself? His back is fucked, by his own admission.

Nope.  Steven's own admission was that he was fine right after surgery.

Whether that is entirely true is another matter.

Possibly yeah. Still- would have made rehearsals nigh on impossible I guess.

The band are tight at the moment- arguably the tightest and most together they've ever been. I'm more than happy with that as a fan!

It was sarcasm, but like any use of sarcasm, it can hint at underlying resentment.  Frankly, I didn't think it was funny.  The fact that he thought it would be a joke is bizarre to me.

Anyway, if Steven is done with GN'R as a result of these comments, he'll have no one to blame but himself.

Ali