Here Today... Gone To Hell!

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GN’R Fam: Sadly, the upcoming European tour will not be happening. Things are changing daily and we want to keep our fans, crew members and band safe. We are working hard with our promoters, venues and cities/countries on next steps and will make further announcements as soon as we can. Thank you for your patience, we will get through this together and look forward to seeing you all very soon…

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/jarmo

Slash has to be like an animal in a cage.  He's going to bust out when he gets back on stage.  Poor guy has he ever spent this much time off the road?

I just got an email from ticketmaster Czech concerning the refunds for tickets for the Prague concert.

Refunds are delayed by 1 year. Refunds are going to be paid in November 2022.  :rant:
You read that right. Not 2021 but 2022.  21 months away. Almost 3 years after the purchase.

Honestly thats bullshit.

Don't be too hard on them, they are being driven out of business.  You're losing a little bit of money, they are losing millions and putting their workforce out on the streets.  It sucks but we're all getting screwed in one way or another with this pandemic.  Look forward to the day we can go to concerts again.  But yeah this just flat out sucks.

I find it hard to sympathize with Ticketmaster.

Yeah I'm not fond of them either.  :hihi:  But I can sympathize with their employees.  Hopefully, they have jobs to return to.  I would hope if it was my refund money that I had earmarked for my playtime and never got back that it went to somebody's pay check.

But the people there are just doing their jobs. Many of whom have been affected by the pandemic....





/jarmo

Queen just postponed their Summer shows to 2022.

I think it’s safe to say 2021 ain’t happening  :'(

No it's not.  Or maybe just not what we hoped would happen.

My comment wasn't directed at the day to day employees, just the company as a whole. Their business practices have always been questionable, pandemic or not. I don't know what their justification is for refusing to issue refunds for nearly 3 years on a product that was never delivered.. whether it's to keep the company afloat or to meet payroll or whatever, but it doesn't seem right. Everyone's feeling the pinch, I'm sure their customers could make use of that money right now too...

Oh, I get it. But these are unprecedented times. It's not just one tour that is having these issues. It's the whole industry.

I'm sure there are all kinds of contracts that need to be respected. Insurance etc.





/jarmo

Do you guys think the Australian tour will get canceled until 2022? :beer:

If i understood correctly the Czech government passed a law last year that refunds can be delayed until end of 2021 https://www.ecovislegal.cz/en/czech-legal-news/measures-to-mitigate-the-impact-of-covid-19-on-czech-cultural-events/

But now they extended it by a year until 31 oct 2022.

I found it out by emailing ticketmaster earlier this week about what do i have to do to get the refund in 10 months. And i got a reply like this:
''Hello, We are sorry, but according to the law, the organizer of the concert Live Nation has the right to return money after 31.10.2022. In the meantime, you request a voucher.''

At first i thought of using the voucher for another gig in the future, but the voucher is only good for events in Czech Republic. Since i dont live there, and the Prague gig didnt get rescheduled but cancelled thats not really an option.

Long story short. I didnt really mind the refund being paid in November 2021. But im irritated that they just moved it to Nov 2022.
Concerts in Finland that i requested a refund. i had no trouble at all, took  maybe 2 months to get the money.

The whole situation is sad. But the bigger picture is whats relevant now. I really hope we can get this pandemic to stop soon. I have no problem with ticketmaster holding on to my money, as long as i get my tickets when GNR is back touring.

But the Prague show was cancelled not postponed..how on can they keep the money?

I have zero sympathy for Ticketmaster in that situation. I’m happy to roll gigs over until they happen but if it’s cancelled refunds should be issued immediately.

Some bands (The 1975) are choosing to cancel so their fans can get refunds in these difficult times.

Some new law was passed last year on that country so they can hold on to the money for longer than before.

Best part. I have to remeber to ask for a refund in november 2022 to get the money. If i dont ask for it, i wont get it.
I tried to ask for it now. But its not enough, i have to ask again in 21 months.

I get the situation is bad for everyone  but i still feel like being ripped off here.

Yeah, that’s bull shit.

Edit- that they can do that, nor what you’re saying

I didn't think so a week ago.

I'm a huge tennis fan and it was nice to see actual fans in the stands again at the Australian Open.  But yesterday, they announced a snap 5 day near total lockdown because of surging cases locally.  And they were supposed to be the world's success story on how this virus was being handled.

So I'd be concerned about those shows at the very least.  Very.

I get the frustration.

Personally, I'd look at it as a sunk cost, almost.  Money I had already spent.  Wasn't like I was counting on it for anything else.

Aerosmith have pushed their European jaunt back to 2022

Only hope is if outdoors is somehow allowed.

English tours are allowed to resume from June 21st, and it might be with restricted numbers. So the two England dates would have to be moved or cancelled; if that is of any use. We had a government update today

open up everything now

Shh, adults are speaking.  ::)

Does anyone have an update on the European tour?  I wonder if it will be canceled? :beer:

I'm pretty sure no one has an update or it would've been posted.....  :peace:



/jarmo

Obviously no update..wish they would. Seems impossible that Europe will happen as planned.

Not the band delaying it I’m sure.

They’re not going to give an update until a month out from the start of the tour and that’s at the earliest.

Sweden Rock Festival posted an update last month, which basically said that they are waiting instructions from the authorities.

The festival said they don't wanna announce anything sooner than necessary because the longer they wait, the more information they'll have. The Sweden Rock Festival has set a deadline of mid-April to decide.






/jarmo

That’s thoughtful of them. I think festivals are a bit different but either way (so far) they’re not making those kind of early announcements in the US.

For example, Chris Stapleton is still set to play a stadium in Kentucky on April 24 and so far ... nothing. It’s still on although I don’t see it happening.

Same with the festivals. In fact the Floyd Fest, which is last week of July, just announced its lineup so they’re moving ahead - I guess in hope that it all works out.

I would think this year will also be a wash.

Here in the US, we are just starting to fully open sporting events up to the public.  But it's super restricted (15-25% capacity, and that includes the staff working the joint).

We will need to get the majority of people vaxxed up before we can fill buildings again.  And that is the fall, at best.

As an update, no sooner had I mentioned it but Stapleton postponed three April stadium shows until next April.

I don’t see why. Download is off, Queen & Aerosmith have postponed.

The UK has set its roadmap & the dates don’t fit in with the GN’R dates.

It’s off...surely?!

I think only the Australian tour will happen this year :beer:

I agree.  That's the only thing looking promising in 2021.

I don't know.  Something is going to happen.  These businesses can't stay down for much longer.  Might be looking at some virtual festivals or some drive in stuff.  Might be a false start but I think you are going to see some attempts.

It looks like we won't get an update on the European tour untill May.  It does not look good with many European countries still in lockdown. :beer:

/jarmo

Sweden Rock Festival is canceled: https://www.swedenrock.com/en/festival/news/sweden-rock-festival-2021-stalls-in/a-1774




/jarmo

New Dates
04-JUN-2022 Lisbon
07-JUN-2022 Sevilla
11.JUN-2022 Sweden Rock
15-JUN-2022 Stavanger
18-JUN-2022 Prague
20-JUN-2022 Warsaw
23-JUN-2022 Groningen
28-JUN-2022 Dublin
01-JUL-2022 London
02-JUL-2022 London
05-JUL-2022 Glasgow
08-JUL-2022 Munich
10-JUL-2022 Milano

It’s a real shame this has had to happen but entirely understandable in the circumstances. So, for the time being, the Aussy dates are still going ahead late ‘21. I wonder if there’s a possibility that a new album might be out around that time. We all know that November is a favoured release month for Guns!!🤞

Some opening acts have been announced:

June 4th, 2022: Algés, Portugal @ Passeio Marítimo de Algés * !
June 7th, 2022: Sevilla, Spain @ Estadio Benito Villamarín * =
June 11th, 2022: Sölvesborg, Sweden @ Norje (Sweden Rock Festival)
June 15th, 2022: Stavanger, Norway @ Forus Travbane * -
June 18th, 2022: Prague, Czech Republic @ Letnany Airport * ^
June 20th, 2022: Warszawa, Poland @ PGE Narodowy * +
June 23rd, 2022: Groningen, The Netherlands @ Stadspark * ^
June 25th, 2022: Clisson, France @ Site du Hellfest (Hellfest Part 2)
June 28th, 2022: Dublin, Ireland @ Marlay Park *
July 1st, 2022: London, UK @ Tottenham Hotspur Stadium * £
July 2nd, 2022: London, UK @ Tottenham Hotspur Stadium * £
July 5th, 2022: Glasgow, UK @ Glasgow Green * @
July 8th, 2022: München, Germany @ Olympiastadion * +
July 10th, 2022: Milano, Italy @ San Siro * +
July 13th, 2022: Vienna, Austria @ Ernst-Happel-Stadion * +
July 15th, 2022: Hannover, Germany @ HDI Arena * +

* Gary Clark Jr
+ Dirty Honey
- Turbonegro
^ Mammoth WVH
! The Last Internationale
@ Phil Campbell and the Bastard Sons
£ Michael Monroe
= Uoho



/jarmo

I wonder if they are going to do a benefit/donate proceeds show for the Ukraine relief efforts.  Like maybe the Polish show.  Wonder if they will play Civil War.

Very cool!

Im gonna see Gary Clark Jr and Mammoth!

Sweden Rock Festival

Saturday June 11th - Festival Stage:



13:15-14:15 THE HALO EFFECT

15:45-17:00 SOCIAL DISTORTION

18:45-20:00 HARDCORE SUPERSTAR

22:00-00:30 GUNS N' ROSES




/jarmo

I saw Mammoth open in Indianapolis and was pretty disappointed. Not really into the music but my biggest issue is that Wolfgang never let loose. I mean the dude is the son of arguably the greatest guitarist of all time. He needed to just let loose with his own original solo. He’s clearly talented. I get that he doesn’t want to cover Van Halen … but, man, blast out one five minute bad ass solo and show the world what you can do.

That's just the same stage where GN'R plays. :)






/jarmo

Last year's postponed shows tickets apply for this Tour also right?

I'm assuming the same tickets are valid.

Which show are you asking about? Because there might be info in writing on the local ticketing site.





/jarmo

All the concerts from Marlay Park
27 Jun 2022. Green Day + Fall Out Boy + Weezer concert in Dublin. ...
28 Jun 2022. Guns N' Roses concert in Dublin. ...
29 Jun 2022. Red Hot Chili Peppers concert in Dublin. ...

Damn, I'll be drowning myself in Guinness I suppose.  :hihi:

That’s insane! I think it’s a good problem to have.

Munich 8/7

That should be the case. Especially since it's the same venue where the 2020 show was supposed to be.

The GN'R news about the 2022 tour did say: Tickets remain valid for all rescheduled dates, so please do hold onto them.




/jarmo

Wow, and in Dublin, one of the great cities  :beer:

Already have tickets for me and my girlfriend. Initially it was RHCP only as a present to her birthday, till I found out that the Gods are playing the day before. Then I found out that Green Day are playing the day before. She still thinks we are about to see RHCP only and sightseeing for the rest of the trip. Oh yeah, we will have a blast instead. Can't wait.  :beer:

That is damn impressive…a lot of rock! :o

This has nothing to do with this thread and I didn’t want to start a new one so feel free to remove this post … but it was 16 years ago today that I got on a jet with my buddy to watch Axl and the boys in New York! Neither one of our significant others were happy about it but they were invited. Not our fault! Haha! I remember Axl saying: Happy Mother’s Day, motherfuckers!

Michael Monroe has been added to opening acts for the London shows.





/jarmo

Thats so cool! Would be epic to get to see him open for Guns

We're one week away from the first show in Europe since 2018.




/jarmo

My friend tells me Susan says they were in rehearsals for 6 weeks.  6 weeks?  They're not that old that they don't remember songs they did a world tour on just two years ago.  They don't party any more, plus I didn't see any pinball scores tweeting out so they weren't just fucking around.  Could have been waiting on Axl but then again no pinball scores.  And somebody said something about a reduction in their tweets.  All new show they were talking about?  Learning new songs?

Don't follow my choo choo train down the track, it jumps the rail all the time.   :hihi:  I'm excited, GNR back on the road.  It's going to be a lovely summer.  :D

Bet/hope they rehearsed Breakdown, Don't Damn Me and Shackler  :yes:

Tuesday im travelling to Madrid to see The Rolling Stones on Wednesday. Then on Friday ill fly to Lisbon for GN'R!

Fun week ahead!

That’s epic!

I don't hold out for a vastly different set to the usual. That being said I cannot wait for London on the 1st July. Anyone going?

Nor I.

But I am well settled into the "it's all gravy" portion of my GNR fandom.  They simply swap in a UYI tune in place of one of the far too many covers, that's good enough for me.

I'm going. Can't wait, first time since November 2018. Went to Tottenham for an NFL game and it's amazing.

The Stones were AMAZING!

Now going to sleep to catch a early flight to Lisbon.
I saw online they soundcheked Recless Life, TWAT and AC/DCs Back In Black!

Awesome! I heard a rumor about “Back in Black” being sound checked for the Florida show. Trying to think of the last time I heard “Reckless Life” being played live.

Reckress Life was last played in 1993. Skin And Bones tour!

Gonna be a fun night!

Thanks! Wow. It’s been nearly 30 years!

I was in Aarhus when Axl sang Back in Black in it was hands Down one of his best perfomances ever! Would love to hear it again!:love:

Saw Axl perform that song in The US and it was epic.

Turns out SCOM was the favorite song of one of the kids lost in Uvalde. Unlikely Axl is aware of that, but it would be cool to dedicate the song to her if he was.

Mentioned at 15:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-qj2rqgChM

I just got mail by MOJO... ^Mammoth WVH has been changed into +Dirty Honey !

Hear, hear!   8)  I've been pining for "Don't Damn Me" for years.

I just saw an add for Prague with  Tyler Bryant & The Shakedown instead of Mammoth WVH

Looks like Mammoth WVH is only touring Europe in late 2022.

Possibly why they were replaced in Prague and Groningen.




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