Here Today... Gone To Hell!

The show should start at 6:45 local time. This is the second show of two at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium.

Early Entry Doors: 3.15pm
Main Doors: 3.30pm
First support act: 4.30pm - 5pm
Second support act: 5.30pm - 6.15pm
Guns N' Roses: 6.45pm
General Admission Bars Close: 10.30pm
Premium Bars Close: 11.30pm
Stadium Closes: Midnight

Start time: 8:20 local time. Show finished: 10:18

SETLIST:

It's So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Chinese Democracy, Slither, Double Talkin' Jive, Welcome To The Jungle, Estranged, Live and Let Die, Absurd, Civil War, Witchita Lineman, Patience, I Wanna Be Your Dog, You're Crazy, Slash Guitar Solo, Knockin' On Heaven's Door, Nightrain

ENCORE: Blackbird/Sweet Child O' Mine, Paradise City

If no livestreams - go by this:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/guns-n-roses/2022/tottenham-hotspur-stadium-tottenham-england-43b5db97.html

(https://i.postimg.cc/132WzKQ3/tottenham.jpg)

68 and a few clouds.  Looks like a nice night to be running around the stage.

Raining here so I had to come in from working the brush line.  Lets see what I've got around here for show snacks.   :D

Oh yes. This time Michael Monroe played! Hope to see at least as many streams as yesterday :-D

https://www.facebook.com/MorganNatashaOfficial/videos/1053131238947329
https://www.facebook.com/silviu.flow/videos/425279272813682

Well, I know this is not a healthy snack but I've been working all morning and I need something to get some calories.   :hihi:  Cinnamon rolls in the oven.

Nothing wrong with eating while hungry!  ;D

I did manage to put up a mini blind between my first post and my second so I'm feeling pretty good about my accomplishments today.  Fucking hate installing mini blinds, so aggravating.

I am a curtain kinda guy! :-D

2 more minutes and the rolls come out of the oven!

Bon appétit (for Destruction)  : ok: :beer:

I have Sticky Fingers.   :hihi:  I'm having a Rolling Stones day.

Geez, they are really late.

Yeah! It sucks, but I guess they want to have some darkness in the end of the show! I'm glad I'm not there waiting!

It's so quite, I thought my machine froze up.

Haha, yeah - no stream in my ears too - at this time, they started the show yesterday!

Maybe Morgan's mother disciplined us all for not sharing and liking her facebook page.   :hihi:

Haha, yes, I think that was her purpose...

Here's a mexican wave:

https://twitter.com/AdrianCload/status/1543304677328052224

And a butt crack.   :hihi:

We could watch "Lets eat 100 Chick-Fil-A's"

 :rofl:

Oh there's Aquaman...his water must be boiling right now!

https://twitter.com/Payneben/status/1543302388534034432

This was posted 5 minutes ago, still waiting.  https://www.facebook.com/zan.brze/videos/706203680474799

Wow, I am thankful for not being there waiting! the waiting's almost criminal!

It's starting

https://www.facebook.com/MorganNatashaOfficial/videos/559141855846804

https://www.instagram.com/susanholmesmckagan/live/?hl=en

WTTJ clip

https://twitter.com/4improvement/status/1543318260627693569

Axl looks pissed here:

https://www.instagram.com/stories/meeganhodges/2873693125736442293/?hl=en

(https://scontent.fcph2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/291745827_5239455472769400_7411805117463733182_n.png?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=bOZvwGB4wm4AX8SUyri&_nc_ht=scontent.fcph2-1.fna&oh=00_AT_JcZ2naCAfMywUwnwWsvUVbCbIIwiApam2F0nXol_OQw&oe=62C4A262)

https://www.facebook.com/DesveladosTelevision/videos/1125327928047487

Apparantly Axl is having problems with his voice...

I'm out of here before that last streamer comes back.  Axl made comment on spending the night there last night.   :hihi:  I don't think that report is anything but bullshit.

Yeah, I'm getting sleepy too! Well, it was fun - we'll see what the show was like on youtube tomorrow - if we're lucky!

Axl using his normal voice here on Civil War...sounds better than the high notes I think!

https://www.facebook.com/victor.moran.9/videos/706701937094254/

Patience now?

https://twitter.com/thedudeED/status/1543328497560702978

Video clip: https://twitter.com/DaveWimblePhoto/status/1543329229047226369

And I Wanna Be Your Dog now...

Holy hell, this is wild - SCOM is not played after Slash's solo - very surprising!

KOHD up...

holy hell - another weird one - Blackbird as intro to SCOM - and Axl present yet again Carrie Underwood to help him finish the show. I wonder if the finish with Paradise City!?

Two shows in a row is a bit too much I think at this age. Makes sense that they shorten them both.

Yes, I really could get used to them playing 2 hrs only! I just hope that Axl gets over his vocal issusues...He said that Carrie saved his ass! :D

Well bedtime for now! Hope to see some great videos tomorrow!

Setlist: It’s So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Chinese Democracy, Slither, Rumble/Welcome To The Jungle, Double Talkin’ Jive, Estranged, Live And Let Die, Absurd, Civil War/Voodoo Chile (outro), Wichita Lineman, Patience, I Wanna Be Your Dog, You’re Crazy (slow version), Band Intros, Slash Solo, Only Women Bleed (intro)/Knockin' On Heaven's Door, Nightrain

Encore: Blackbird/Sweet Child O’ Mine (with Carrie Underwood), Paradise City (with Carrie Underwood)




/jarmo

Boromir.....your missing the point. Of course they can't do two shows in a row. So why do it? Turn it down, don't say it's demand. Don't think about the dollar if you know you can't do it. Think about the fans. I was there last night. Atrocious delays to start with, 1 support cancelled and major, major and I mean major sound issues throughout, plus a short set because they couldn't be arsed. Also,  No explanation. Now tonight also. So Two nights now both sets of london fans have been royally stiffed on the shows with absolute diabolical and farcical performances and awful sound, delays etc. Both sets of fans need fully compensating. Yes it's strong and I'm sure jarmo and the die hards will disagree and say they are the best shows they have ever seen, but I'm afraid these last two nights have mainly been a failure, a rip off for the price and it needs looking at.

People have said that London operates with a 10:30 curfew for outdoor concerts. It's reasonable to believe that yesterday's shorter set was due to that, after the initial delay.

Spirit...so go on earlier if there's a curfew, go on earlier. The intro tape lasted 10mins. Instagram posts from band members say they were ready well before. Reduce unnecessary solo spots/guitar solos. Reduce song lengths....Both RQ and KOHD were 10 mins long a piece , there's 20 mins on 2 songs. plus the solo spots it easily drained 20-30 mins of other songs...its really no excuse. Make up for it don't you...or others do. I think it was tactical. Just not sure why.

Axl said he went to see a doctor yesterday and then slept at the venue to be able to prepare for tonight's show. Instead of going back and forth to the hotel.

If you interpret that as everything being normal circumstances and proof of them not caring, then that's on you.






/jarmo

That’s dedication.

Since the core members got back together they have been nothing but professional and played long shows and have shown up without cancellations.  You can complain it was the show you wanted, but there are no guarantees on the sound or how people feel.  Axl might not sound perfect every night, but with the different ranges he has to hit through the shows I would say what he does is amazing.

I understood there were delays yesterday due technical difficulties? I have a hard time believing GN'R or Axl are being "divas" or whatever, going on late these days. Track record ever since the reunion 6 years ago says they're always going on close to the time stamped on the ticket.

My point is more than that jarmo and you know it. They probably know they can't do two nights, so why do it. And dnt say it's for the fans please. Its dollar. i absolutely dnt blame the band for everything in these two absolute shit shows. Not at all. There was problems at every stage. But why penalise all the fans that some will have sacrificed days, weeks, months wages to experience delays, missing supports, awful awful technical issues, faulty voices and shortened setlists. Why should one venue get 29  songs and another 19....and still pay over 100 quid for the privilege of all that shit.? Do tell me..

For what it's worth last night we were about 8 rows back in the pitch standing section and the sound was excellent (perhaps Richards guitar could have been slightly more prominent on one or two songs but that would be nit-picking).
Axl was crystal clear and sounding great. Particularly on WTTJ, LALD, Civil War, Nightrain and Patience.

Shows that were you are in the arena can affect it - as there was nothing wrong sound-wise during Estranged that we could hear.

Yeah, I just watched a bunch of videos from yesterday, and he sounded fine.

If Axl had to go see a doctor, there's nothing diva about that. He's either ill or injured. I hope that he gets well soon, and even though I am not there, I appreciate his efforts to keep going.

Ali

He's "saving it"

 :hihi:

He is ill, and he still went out there.  ::)

Ali

Respect for giving it 120% while being sick and on the spotlight knowing whats gonna happen is in youtube tomorrow.
Most of us call in sick when we have a sore throat.
And our job is not singing hardass songs in sold out stadiums.

I thought he was joking.  So do they have accommodations for that or was he sleeping in the first aide station?  That's has to be weird in a big place like that after everybody has left.

Apparently that wasn't bullshit about him sleeping there.  And it looks like I didn't miss anything by cutting out.  Europe just isn't good for streams imo.  I did get the fence line done so I can kick back for our holiday weekend.

Yeah. I feel that. It does suck that some shows are way longer than others but, what can you do? No one can predict Illness or shitty venue technical difficulty. I went to the Columbus, Ohio show on the last US run and Slash's guitar was inaudible the entire show. I was pissed but got over it :rant:

And yes I was in the pit and spent over 500 Us dollars for 2 tickets.

I saw Nightrain and Paradise City on youtube. It was pretty good. For sure not a fiasco.
Nightrain sounded different but still very correct and not bad at all.
Carrie did a fine job helping the band. Similiar situation to London 2006 where Axl got sick and Sebastian Bach sang the last couple songs.

I mean they still delivered while being sick. Not easy.

I think sometimes people forget that we are dealing with actual biological human beings here…. I really enjoyed last nights show, I think Axl’s lower register is much more rich and interesting - it was nice to have a good example of it - was something different and still impressive in a different way.

Lots of other acts wouldn’t have the talent or versatility to pivot in this way  8)

If they pay me milions, you know.. And if people don't even care about my poor performances, well... even on a weelchair, 42 of fever and raging diarrhea :rofl: :rofl:

It's a live show, different beast than a studio recording.  I'm not expecting a Broadway show.  Shit happens, they fix it when they can.  I'm not expecting perfection.  Axl's one of the best front men I've ever seen.  Any concerts after him, I'm always comparing the next guy to.  Axl always wins by a long shoot.  :D  You just wish it was him up there.  I think all the GNR shows are good live shows.

I've been to Dead concerts where Jerry forgot the words.  Where their few minute break turned into an hour or more.  Where it just wasn't their night.   :hihi:  And oh god, the band likes Space and Drums!  At least Absurd is a short song.   :hihi: :hihi:

That made...no sense at all.

Ali

Just wanna say I was at last nights gig and had an amazing time. I think it was my 8th GnR show and was definitely my favourite of them all 🤘

So if you're too sick to work one day of the week, does that mean you're not ok to work for five days a week on a regular basis? No, it doesn't.

These weren't normal circumstances, and you telling yourself otherwise is just you wanting to believe whatever you're telling yourself.





/jarmo

I think Axl should consider doing the low register for the bulk of every live show. Think about it; on the albums, he frequently put a low register harmony in, so it's not even like he's changing the songs, just singing a different layer. Listening to Civil War, Melissa doing the highs while he did the lows worked really well. His low register is still really strong.

I do agree that Axl has a great voice singing in the low register. I wouldn't mind if he did more songs like this, it sounds great!

He did a lot of songs (most) with elements or totally in a high register, which makes live performances in the lower register sound a little different. But... Axl in the lower register still sounds like Axl - vintage Axl.

I am sorry, but this is a terrible idea. He can still access the vast majority of the notes using his head voice. He doesn't use the vocal fry or Broadway Belt/Overdrive because it's very taxing on his voice. That is good decision. The only thing that he could stand to do is blend his head and chest voice a little more in the middle of his range. But, that is a challenge for every singer.

Als, he is known for his range. You are essentially suggesting he significantly change his professional identity.

Ali

Axl using his lower register... that's a cool voice.

The AC⚡️DC  tour really screwed up his voice those songs really pushed his voice to the absolute limit particularly the higher register ,if you look back at some of his performances of songs such as Thunderstruck,Back in Black or Let there be Rock (which were incredible) must have damaged his vocal chords as they are such demanding songs to nail live ,I'd like to  hear him singing more in the lower register as it suits him better and is less demanding on his voice.

You miss the point: his head voice, which is not even a head voice but more of a falsetto kind of thing cause it totally lacks of breath sustain, is really bad. Unfortunately for him, in that range, with that style, his voice is terrible, really ugly. It's not a shannon hoon kind of voice if you know what i mean. If he can't push his voice using rasp or at least with strong breath sustain (like in 2002 and 2006 - think about "sailing" or incredible vocal performances of i used to love her: that's GREAT head voice) he should just sing in a lower key. it doesn't matter if u can hit a note, it matters how you it that note. I've been saying this for years, he doesn't have to prove anything, we all know he can (or could) hit those notes... But father time hits everybody, his voIce is totally shot and the more he tries the worse it gets. Today it looks like  he is more focused on "making voices" (trying to resemble the old axl) than singing and it just doesnt work. Just sing, in a way that it doesn't destroy you and in a way that's listenable.

It's not a falsetto. Axl very rarely uses a falsetto.

Ali

Having seen them three times now in just over two weeks (Stavanger + London x 2), just thought I'd post some random thoughts.

In Norway I was in the golden circle and just a few rows back from the stage, in London I was just outside the circle and also wandered around a bit to get beer/go to the toilet (a neverending cycle  ;)). The sound mix wasn't great at any of them. It felt like you could hear more of both Richard and Axl in Norway, but other than Slash doing his solos it was hard to pick out the other members at any of the shows. The guitar tone didn't sound quite right either, but it's live and it's loud so I could just be me. Could barely hear what Carrie Underwood was singing, so it wasn't just Axl. His voice is still there though as you can hear the power in it on some songs, but he tends use his Better voice more and more later in the show. Duff's vocals on I Wanna Be Your Dog was fine as far as I can recall. There's a big difference in the two venues of course, Stavanger basically being an open field and Tottenham's stadium being specifically designed to keep noise in. Great for football matches (I go there quite often to see those), but having the sound bouncing around isn't always great for music. Since they use the same rig in several different places during a tour they obviously won't always have time to do the necessary fine tuning or even be able to get it right.

Being a huge Spurs fan it was obviously a massive bonus to be able to walk around on the pitch. Technically it was the NFL pitch covered in plastic and the proper football pitch was safely hidden away, but still cool. Bought a specially made for the occasion Spurs shirt with Guns N' Roses on it. I got to see Jason Momoa. Michael Monroe was great. Running around in the pit, climbing the barricades and next thing you know he's ten meters above the stage. Gary Clark jr. I still haven't warmed to. Standing in line for almost two hours on Friday without a word why, not so great. A little disappointed to miss out on Coma on both London nights. In Stavanger I ended up hearing most of it with very poor sound as I was off to the side answering nature's call when they came back out and started playing. The Tottenham Hotspur Stadium is a great venue. It's big, but feels intimate. The facilities are top notch (food, drinks, toilets). Really hope they're able to work out any issues caused by the venue itself for future concerts.

Fun, but also not so fun, story to end this. Having been to Judas Priest the day before gnr hit Stavanger, me and my friend who I shared a room with had just gotten up and were on our way out for some breakfast. Out the door, around a corner and the first person we meet is Richard Fortus. Since he was wearing long sleeves and running shoes and I wasn't quite awake yet I didn't realise it was him until just after I had passed him and seen his face and noticed the tattoos on his fingers. Just as I come to my senses and turn around he's running off.  :-[

And yet, the majority of people clearly do not like the sound of his head voice without rasp. And while he may be able to access the notes, there's very little power behind them.

I would disagree though, I think he's known for his emotive delivery and rasp more than his range. He's no Rob Halford where the first thing that comes to mind is insane falsetto. His singing on Don't Cry is just as iconic as WTTJ. People recognize him for that raspy, nasal tone more than anything.

Ultimately, his voice has changed beyond his control. His professional identity has already been changed beyond his control. I'm suggesting he make the best of it by adapting.

The majority of people? Based on what? You and all the message board trolls?

He can sing with as much power as ever when he chooses to. He simply chooses not to for obvious reasons to anyone who has followed the band's history.

His voice and professional identity have not changed beyond his control. What you are suggesting is idiotic.

Ali

You could definitely hear his voice cracking sometimes with AC/DC, which is a sign he was pushing too hard. It's the same thing that happens with the bridge in Better. That absolutely damages his voice.

Coincidentally, Brian Johnson struggled with his voice changing constantly and I think Axl could learn something from how Brian adapted. He always found a different register and made it work. I can illustrate the changes:

He sang Back in Black differently on tour in 1980/1981 than he did on the album. On the album, he was hitting insane high notes (being pressured by the producer, who cut his best takes together word by word so Brian never stood a chance to pull it off live).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQywr-PBR_o

Notice he's in a lower register than the album, but it still sounds great.

In 1983, he was really struggling. This is one of the better performances but you can tell in the chorus he's flat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuzMRgfUiAY

His voice recovered for a while, but again by 1991 he had to find a different register to sing in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vImyP5EYc8

And then by 2000 his voice was getting really shot but he always found a way to make it work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRDp_rlDwRo

Dude... you're just in straight up denial of reality.

There's a reason fairweather fans and mainstream audiences were impressed with his 2016 performances and are not so much anymore. It's not just trolls, it's mainstream rock fans and fans of his own band. You're equating me to a troll as if I have some desire to insult Axl when I'm a huge fan of him. Come back to Earth.

If he could sing with as much power, he would. He picks and chooses spots to give it extra gas because he cannot sustain it. The scream in LALD still works for him because it happens to be a specific note that he can still put power and rasp behind reliably. Most of the rest of the set proves that is the exception to the rule.

He "chooses" not to because he knows he can't sustain it. It's like me saying I "choose" not to deadlift 600 lbs.


It's idiotic to suggest that he's sustained vocal damage in his career? Something almost every singer deals with on some level, much less ones who sing in a method that every vocal trainer will tell you is destructive?

What are these unspecified "reasons obvious to anyone who has followed the band's history" you refer to? Could it be the well-documented vocal damage he sustained on the UYI tour?

And yet, they still back stadiums and arenas. You are trolling and wrong, plain and simple, trying to support your argument with some handwaving "mainstream rock fans" argument. The vast majority of people who attend shows are not on message boards and YouTube. Your weightlifting argument is asinine. He can sing the songs with whatever technique he wants, be it vocal fry, Broadway Belt, or some combination of those and or other techniques. He's quite literally using those techniques on this tour, most notably during Back in Black.

The issue is not whether or not he can. The issue is whether or not it is worth the cost. Clearly, he has decided that it isn't worth the cost in the long run.

It seems like you and some fans are under the illusion that something has changed beyond some natural, age-related changes. The truth is, he could never sing that way without incurring a significant cost. The difference is he clearly isn't willing to incur the cost.

Obviously, I am referring to the litany of issues he had during the UYI tour. Shows were affected by these issues in the summer of 1992.

People say that they want him to sound like he did in 1992. I think people have a selective memory and only remember some of the shows and live recordings, and not the issues that went along with some of the shows during that era.

Ali

I think we have to wait an oficial report of what is the real problem with Axl´s voice. May be it is only a question of rest the voice some days, a lot of singers use to have problems in some time. Too many shows.
As I said a time ago, may be they should give a 2 hours shows, get out some dificult songs. We can´t ask to Axl sing in another way, and i dont think it´s the solution. May be not to make tours too long and with dates so next one from another.

   

You cannot fault Axl's commitment here. Hope he gets well soon with whatever the problems may be.

The lower register worked- and sounded pretty damn good,  if thats what it takes moving forward with only the occasional highs(in the hits he has to sing high)- I'm sure the shows will still be a success.
LOW REGISTER
-EASY
-BROWNSTONE
-CD
-LIVE AND LET DIE (can be done low)
-ESTRANGED
-DOUBLE TALKIN JIVE
-YOUR CRAZY
-ABSURD
-PATIENCE
-HEAVANS DOOR
-CIVIL WAR (Sounded great in the low register)
-NIGHTRAIN (Sounded great in the low register)
-DONT CRY - (can be done just in low register)

If he can save the highs for and a few others depending on if he's up for it- it would still be a 2 hour show
-JUNGLE
-SCOM
-PARADISE

No one expects him to sing like he used to!

I kinda agree and disagree with the lower register remark. Whilst I want Axl to sing how he wants I think there are some strange song choices made. Whilst not a singer myself obviously but being in a band I'd say songs like 14 years, pretty tied up, dust n bones, yesterday's, the garden (all great songs considered but maybe in the lower register?) must be easier to sing than the likes of back n black, shadow of your love and reckless life. Seems strange.

"Anyone who disagrees with me is a troll!", said the troll.

Yeah, you're obviously not interested in good faith discourse here.

Look at that, all the comments are praising his low voice. They must all be "trolls" though, huh?  ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTu-e9Y9FzY

Do you really think that Axl would sing in lower register as everybody calls it (he sang in one octave down scom, pc)? its impossible he wants to do it. And not too impresive, singing scom in that way, anybody can do that.

Just some days, and he will be able to sing again. But they should do a shorter set, and get out songs like recklees, better, back in black, etc

While it sounds very different to how I'm used to hearing the song, honestly it sounds cool. I'm not mad at it

I’ve just seen a YouTube video of Nightrain from London the other night sang in his lower register, it was the best I’ve heard it in years ! My mates thought the same and the comments on YouTube! Maybe at this stage of their career just sing in that register ? Better than struggling to do things your body don’t wanna do know more 🤷🏻‍♂️

He wouldn't have to go a full octave down, he could find other notes in the same key that are somewhere in the middle.

I know they would probably not be able to do this due to logistics more then anything else. But if his vocal chords are an issue now something GNR really has never done and might be cool is have an "All Star" type cast to come in and sing some of the songs. Have Carrie come in and do Sweet Child for example. I don't know who would be around or available on short notice but i think that would be cool. Axl can sing most of the songs but have a 2 or 3 special guests to come in kinda thing.

No, you were never intending to have a good faith discussion because there was never any possible way Axl was ever going sing songs that he's been singing for decades in a certain part of his range in a completely different part. Never. You knew this, and suggested it anyway. That was you trolling.

Ali

Again, you or anyone else liking or disliking his vocal tone is not the issue. If you make a "suggestion" that you know there's no chance of happening, there's nothing good faith about that. Nothing. It's just being a contrarian.

Ali

I read somewhere that YCBM was played, hopefully Jarmo can update the setlist!  :peace:

He's literally doing that already. He uses different parts of his range than he did in 1992 for many songs today. You know this, of course, but you said it anyway. That was you trolling.

There are countless examples of Axl changing how he sings songs (never mind your own admission that he uses rasp sparingly, which is a change). At 1:17 and 3:14 in this video he uses a new voice to adapt to singing the song with his current abilities:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvk16f9pCrw

And at 6:25 in this one he uses a new voice as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnnQPbWi7pw

Or this voice that he's clearly putting on at 6:08:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uieHSuI8Qw4

But hey, the more you pull this classic narcissistic gaslighting tactic of bouncing back any criticism of yourself onto the other person, the more you prove me right that you are a troll.


Ah, so anyone suggesting or wishing that they play Don't Damn Me is a troll now, got it. Your comments only reflect your own behavior.

Seeing as Axl and Slash reunited, it's the height of arrogance to say with absolute certainty what "will never happen" in regard to GNR. Especially something so minor as singing songs in a different register, which I repeat, he has already done. It must be tough to live so far up your own nose that you can't handle anyone with a different opinion from you. I can't even imagine being so insecure. Now please stop talking to me, troll.

Not in London.





/jarmo

I was there night 2 in London
Axl slept in the away changing rooms
Apologised for having voice issues and said he was going to  :switch things round as you’ve seen in the YouTube clips
At one point I turned round to the guy I didn’t know behind me
We shared a look like “ can you fucking believe how great this sounds???”

He shouted “ITS FUCKING GOOOD AAHHH???”
I laughed and then we went back to being grown men instead of giddy kids

That’s the concert review right there

He sang lower it sounded fucking great and anyone who says different is very likely a full time internet troll who is deeply unhappy about something else

I am Honestly fucking delighted I got to see it

Good for you!!! I would love if he went low much more often, but we don’t call the shots!  :hihi:

That wasn't what you were suggesting, was it? You are moving the goal posts and being completely dishonest about what you were suggesting. You weren't talking about finding different notes in the key the songs are in so he doesn't have to stretch for ridiculously high notes, or have the issue of how to approach notes in the break between his chest and head voice.

No, you said, "I think Axl should consider doing the low register for the bulk of every live show."

Suggesting such a wholesale, abrupt change is not in good faith. It would be like Aaron Judge asking for $80M/year when the highest OF salary now is Trout's <$40M. That is not indicative of a good faith discussion or suggestion.

If you want suggest some changes to some of the melody lines, that's one thing.

But, that is not what you did. Adding a song like Don't Damn Me is not nearly the same as an abrupt, wholesale change. By its very nature, it's not realistic. Over a long period of time? Perhaps, but still unlikely to be what you suggested.

But, again, that wasn't what you suggested. Misrepresentation of that doesn't make your arguments any less troll-like.  :hihi:

Ali

You've been thoroughly discredited. Be gone, troll.

Okay I don't really want to read you guys calling each other trolls anymore. Either debate, or don't, but if you wanna mean girls each other add each other on WhatsApp.

This is exactly why the suggestion was not in good faith. It's impossible he would be receptive to it. Imagine someone going up to you telling you, "you need to completely change what you have been doing for more than 30 years." How would you react? Probably not too well.

If you told Axl, "Look at Geoff Tate. Even at the peak of his ability in the late 80's and early 90's, he didn't sing the same final note at the end of the line "Take Hold" in "Take Hold of the Flame" at the end of the first verse. He chose a different note, a lower note, while on tour to reduce wear and tear on his voice. You should do that."

What do you think he would be more receptive to? That's your answer to what is more of a good faith suggestion.

How this eludes some people is beyond me. ::)

Ali