Band Members Contracts

[norway]

Without Slash, Duff and Izzy to write songs and to play them, it will never be the same.

That band is history, it won't even appear again most likey so we won't even see it fade away

 gunsnroses however, will never be the same if slash, duff, etc joined

i'm a big fan of the band an also the projects axl was related to b4

hey, same title

[AxlsMainMan]

Nesquick says they lack the classic rock image, well sorry but times change and everything evolves. I honestly can hardly think of any band that has been around for more then a decade and have not changed their image at least once.

1) "Hey hey my my, Rock n' Roll will never die" (Neil Young).
---> modernizing your band is ok, but making a radical changes from A to Z is bad. and that's what Axl has made by bringing guys like Finck or BH in the band. Making things in TOTAL OPPOSITION of what you used to make and to be is a huge mistake. If you want to make changes in your band, try to keep the same spirit you always had. You want to replace a Rocker? ok, bring a Rocker, not a Gothic. It's called coherence.
2) U2 and Oasis for example...oh wait they have been the 2 biggest selllers in Rock music over these last 10 years. It shows people are attached to the spirit of a band. It's not only a question of music, but a question of spirit, of chemistry and human connexions inside the band. it's a feeling. and to have it, the band needs to be coherent. Bringing a gothic or/and a shredder in a classic Rock n' Roll band is a mistake. Would you see a gothic into...the rolling stones? or a shredder into...U2?

It just doesn't make it because that's not what classic Rock n' Roll is about.

Neil Young has evolved and changed throughout the years. He has done everything from grunge to mere folk music..U2 have also evolved and changed when it comes to image and type of music. Zooropa and Pop differ just a little from the likes of the Joshua Tree.

[Continental Drift]

Excellent point Jarmo. I remember in '91 (I was 15 at the time) getting lots of lectures from older GN'R fans that the band was effectively dead the moment Steven was kicked out. Adding a keyboardist (Dizzy) and Izzy leaving were just the final nails in the coffin for these people.

[leesixxrose]

younggunner you weren't born when the REAL Guns N' Roses ruled the world. for you GN'R is robin finck and brain and Buckethead because you're 15 or 16 but it is not. That's not Guns n' Roses man. That's an Axl Rose band. It's the new GN'R but certainely not "Guns n' Fucking Roses" I knew and all the world knew back in the days. It's an hybrid version, a kind of false revival version of the original band. They have never sold just ONE record for the moment, and the songs they played were and are songs by the real band, by Axl, Slash, Izzy (gilby), Duff, Steven(Matt), Dizzy. Some people say they're a cover band. I wouldn't say that but it's nearly that. believe me, people who went to the new GN'R shows didn't come to hear "chinese democracy" "silkworms" or "rihads and the bedouins", NOBODY CARED, but came to hear the old GN'R classic songs, the old GN'R success and Hits.

as soon as "Chinese Democracy" won't be released, the new-GN'R notoriety will be close to zero.? To judge this band, they have to play their owns songs. and I seriously doubt they'll have 1/4 or 1/5 of the real band success. The real band sold over 85 million albums worldwide.You weren't here in 1991/1992, I was here I remember: GN'R ruled the world they were fucking huge. And this success is Axl,Slash Duff,Izzy, and steven/matt success, not robin (gothic) finck or fuckedhead, or any other clowns. They are employees. they are employees that can be fired by w.Axl.Rose at every moment. They don't have the rage, the fire the old band had. and on top of that they are not "Rock n' Roll". If they were Rockers I would have accepted them better.? At least, Fortus and tommy are Rockers. and that's why I accept them. They have the minimum required.
 
Excuse me but I can't bear when a "young-kid" try to give me lessons about GN'R. I'm 23, I've been a fan since 1991 while you were a small baby, I know better than you what is "Guns n' Roses". And this is not what you saw at the VMA'02 (even if I loved it when I saw it live when it happened). Capichi?

nice post... i agree 10000 percent...

[thelostrose]

younggunner you weren't born when the REAL Guns N' Roses ruled the world. for you GN'R is robin finck and brain and Buckethead because you're 15 or 16 but it is not. That's not Guns n' Roses man. That's an Axl Rose band. It's the new GN'R but certainely not "Guns n' Fucking Roses" I knew and all the world knew back in the days. It's an hybrid version, a kind of false revival version of the original band. They have never sold just ONE record for the moment, and the songs they played were and are songs by the real band, by Axl, Slash, Izzy (gilby), Duff, Steven(Matt), Dizzy. Some people say they're a cover band. I wouldn't say that but it's nearly that. believe me, people who went to the new GN'R shows didn't come to hear "chinese democracy" "silkworms" or "rihads and the bedouins", NOBODY CARED, but came to hear the old GN'R classic songs, the old GN'R success and Hits.

as soon as "Chinese Democracy" won't be released, the new-GN'R notoriety will be close to zero.  To judge this band, they have to play their owns songs. and I seriously doubt they'll have 1/4 or 1/5 of the real band success. The real band sold over 85 million albums worldwide.You weren't here in 1991/1992, I was here I remember: GN'R ruled the world they were fucking huge. And this success is Axl,Slash Duff,Izzy, and steven/matt success, not robin (gothic) finck or fuckedhead, or any other clowns. They are employees. they are employees that can be fired by w.Axl.Rose at every moment. They don't have the rage, the fire the old band had. and on top of that they are not "Rock n' Roll". If they were Rockers I would have accepted them better.  At least, Fortus and tommy are Rockers. and that's why I accept them. They have the minimum required.
 
Excuse me but I can't bear when a "young-kid" try to give me lessons about GN'R. I'm 23, I've been a fan since 1991 while you were a small baby, I know better than you what is "Guns n' Roses". And this is not what you saw at the VMA'02 (even if I loved it when I saw it live when it happened). Capichi?

Wow, you're 23! Congrats! I'm 24 and for me this IS Guns n Roses. Things change, you gotta accept that. Move on, grow up and get an open mind!
Ok, newgnr doesn't look like oldgnr, but what's the big deal? let the music talk. axl is crazy, everyone knows that , but at least he does what he wants and makes good music (maddy, CD, blues). slash for example nowadays plays the bad guy/rocker. he's just a rip-off of himself. the everything can happen-tour just shows that. he's acting as the cool guy. anyways...to get back to your post. even if younggunner is 15 and he's a kid, he didn't grew up with gnr like we, so you two won't ever have the same opinion, that's impossible, so bashing him, because he doesn't have the experience you've got, is really lame.
if axl's new bandmembers are employees what does it mater? that's his thing. coz if the guys make a great CD and are tight on their tour, that should be enough, and it is enough, at least for me.
if you want oldgnr back, then make yourself a timemachine.

[nesquick]

It's very simple: I'm attached to the Rock n' Roll/blues-Rock vibe of the Original band and for me THAT is Guns n' Roses. That's the sound of GN'R. Use Your Illusion 2 is the perfect melting-pot of what GN'R is and should be forever. You cannot change your soul, Axl cannot change the soul of Guns n' Roses and put computers and synthe everywhere ala NIN instead of GUITARS. The first time I heard "oh my god" I though I would become mad: that was the most desapointing song I've ever heard. If you think that this kind of music is GN'R, well ok, but I don't. For me it's a fake between NIN and Ministry. This is all but Guns n' Roses music.
The blues (only the Rio blues-rock version) and Madagascar are very good songs though.

[greekmule]

Use Your Illusion 2 is the perfect melting-pot

I agree completely.I see UYI2 as the most complete gnr album ever-IMO its multi-dimensional
(if that's a word, but i think you know what i mean).However nesquick i believe we should just wait and hear CD first before we jump to conclusions.Prejudice is not a good thing

just my 0.02

[thelostrose]

nesquick, axl said, that oh my god was the song, which was most into this genre (sorry, but i can't give you a quote, i read it somewhere here).
newgnr, doesn't replace the guitar with synth stuff, he even added a third guitar player. and to me you can't idffernciate between UYI 1 und 2, that's one album, just a bit longer. UYI is different to a4d and lies too, so axl changed the style the first time plus adding a keyboard player. so newgnr is just the logical step. axl's vision of gnr is evolving, and that's a fact. we don't know what he's up to, but like maddy it hopefully will be great.

[norway]

I'm attached to the Rock n' Roll/blues-Rock vibe of the Original band and for me THAT is Guns n' Roses.

That was gnr, it's not today, but we sure get some of that too

omg is all but Guns n' Roses music.

you're wrong, that's gnr now, not 80's- but maybe just a few songs will be like this

It's just a name, you know, let it go

[Meanmachine22]

Excuse me but I can't bear when a "young-kid" try to give me lessons about GN'R. I'm 23, I've been a fan since 1991 while you were a small baby, I know better than you what is "Guns n' Roses".

How would you feel if some older fan told you that you were just a kid in 1991?




/jarmo

Jarmo, just wanted to say the sam thing!!!

Hey Nesquick: I am fucking 30 years old and i 've been there too!!!
Please don't be so harsh all the time
All of your posts sound like you the only fucker in the know.But that ain't what it is about.To be in the know.....
You talk about the real GNR?Well for some of the new fans the New GNR might be the real deal!!
As far as i concern i agree with you in some parts.
But the new GNR has yet to proove themselfs. As long as that didn't happen please don't act so arrogant

Best regards

[33]

Wow, you're 23! Congrats! I'm 24 and for me this IS Guns n Roses. Things change, you gotta accept that. Move on, grow up and get an open mind!
Ok, newgnr doesn't look like oldgnr, but what's the big deal? let the music talk. axl is crazy, everyone knows that , but at least he does what he wants and makes good music (maddy, CD, blues). slash for example nowadays plays the bad guy/rocker. he's just a rip-off of himself. the everything can happen-tour just shows that. he's acting as the cool guy. anyways...to get back to your post. even if younggunner is 15 and he's a kid, he didn't grew up with gnr like we, so you two won't ever have the same opinion, that's impossible, so bashing him, because he doesn't have the experience you've got, is really lame.
if axl's new bandmembers are employees what does it mater? that's his thing. coz if the guys make a great CD and are tight on their tour, that should be enough, and it is enough, at least for me.
if you want oldgnr back, then make yourself a timemachine.

Top comments Lost Rose!! I couldnt agree with you more! I ent on this site to bash anyones opinion or sound like a preachie wanker, cos I imagine that the last few years for GnR fans have been very hard and everyone has a very different opionion about which direction the band should have moved in or who the members should be! But the thing that excites me so much is that the band as they are now seem to have evolved with their music. None of us can really comment how much the style of music has changed cos we have only heard a few songs to date!! Seriously what the fuck does someones age have anything to do with them being a GnR fan? I for one think its great that GnR are attracting a young audience still it means they are still a popular enough band! Imagine what it could be like when the album comes out!!! Im 28 and I think I was young for a GnR fan when they were in their prime! I was only sixteen for gods sake when I saw them in Paris in 92 and the majority of the crowd were older than that so I think the age thing is bollox. Its got to be about having an open mind I think. We cant live in the past, music changes and Axl is to much of a genius to not know this, but I bet he is also clever enough to not move away completely from what GnR are all about! I hate reading message after message about whether the old band will reunite or how Axl killed GnR (did he fuck! they left) I think I read a quote once saying how Axl wanted the band to evolve but the rest of the band didnt! Since listening to Contraband I can well believe that! Even though there are a few good tracks on there its not really groundbreaking or evolving is it? And Axl has made a career of writing groundbreaking albums and IMO his drive and determination took GnR to where they once where! Before anyone bites back by saying he couldnt have done it without the others. I know this but I feel like he kept it all together, cos the others could have thrown it away at any moment during the glory days! I admire the man so much cos I cant think of any frontman who would have had the determanation to keep his bands name and fight against adversity and more abuse and negative shit than anyone should have to endure, and reinvent the whole thing. I imagine most people would have thought fuck it Im gonna go and live the life of riley and spend my millions! Well I for one am not gonna bash the man who has brought all us GnR fans so many fucking good times, right about when we are gonna get the album we are all waiting for! I know this has gone a bit off topic! Sorry

[0001001]

Wow, you're 23! Congrats! I'm 24 and for me this IS Guns n Roses. Things change, you gotta accept that. Move on, grow up and get an open mind!
Ok, newgnr doesn't look like oldgnr, but what's the big deal? let the music talk. axl is crazy, everyone knows that , but at least he does what he wants and makes good music (maddy, CD, blues). slash for example nowadays plays the bad guy/rocker. he's just a rip-off of himself. the everything can happen-tour just shows that. he's acting as the cool guy. anyways...to get back to your post. even if younggunner is 15 and he's a kid, he didn't grew up with gnr like we, so you two won't ever have the same opinion, that's impossible, so bashing him, because he doesn't have the experience you've got, is really lame.
if axl's new bandmembers are employees what does it mater? that's his thing. coz if the guys make a great CD and are tight on their tour, that should be enough, and it is enough, at least for me.
if you want oldgnr back, then make yourself a timemachine.

I don't agree with you in every point.
Musically I fully agree I'm looking forward to hear CD. Sometimes thinking of what CD will sound like is the only thing that makes me happy.
"Band"-wise I don't agree, cause it wasn't only the music which made you fall in love with Guns N' fuckin' Roses back in the 80s, it was also the attitude right?

Nevertheless I accept your opinion and this is mine ;-)

[ppbebe]

Wow, well said fuckers!    Every one after his fashion.
And Hello, eSTRANGER33! Long time no see ha-ha.

You cannot change your soul, Axl cannot change the soul of Guns n' Roses and put computers and synthe everywhere ala NIN instead of GUITARS.

Wrong.
The genre of music or the style of clothing cannot change the soul an inch.
blues, computer and synthesizer, Goth, Indus and Ganges or whatever the Style, they?re nothing but the Styles. What you?re talking is all about the superficies. That?s is just the surface, Not even the body, let alone the soul. To know the soul you gotta get below the surface, which apparently you?ve refused to do.
You?re attached to the fashion ?90s GNR were in and still possessed with the phantoms of the past.
That's fine, fuck cares. It's your choice.  Everyone after his fashion.
But please don't come here to haunt the present and the future.
Stop disturbing the living.

[33]

younggunner you weren't born when the REAL Guns N' Roses ruled the world. for you GN'R is robin finck and brain and Buckethead because you're 15 or 16 but it is not. That's not Guns n' Roses man. That's an Axl Rose band. It's the new GN'R but certainely not "Guns n' Fucking Roses" I knew and all the world knew back in the days. It's an hybrid version, a kind of false revival version of the original band. They have never sold just ONE record for the moment, and the songs they played were and are songs by the real band, by Axl, Slash, Izzy (gilby), Duff, Steven(Matt), Dizzy. Some people say they're a cover band. I wouldn't say that but it's nearly that. believe me, people who went to the new GN'R shows didn't come to hear "chinese democracy" "silkworms" or "rihads and the bedouins", NOBODY CARED, but came to hear the old GN'R classic songs, the old GN'R success and Hits.

as soon as "Chinese Democracy" won't be released, the new-GN'R notoriety will be close to zero.  To judge this band, they have to play their owns songs. and I seriously doubt they'll have 1/4 or 1/5 of the real band success. The real band sold over 85 million albums worldwide.You weren't here in 1991/1992, I was here I remember: GN'R ruled the world they were fucking huge. And this success is Axl,Slash Duff,Izzy, and steven/matt success, not robin (gothic) finck or fuckedhead, or any other clowns. They are employees. they are employees that can be fired by w.Axl.Rose at every moment. They don't have the rage, the fire the old band had. and on top of that they are not "Rock n' Roll". If they were Rockers I would have accepted them better.  At least, Fortus and tommy are Rockers. and that's why I accept them. They have the minimum required.
 
Excuse me but I can't bear when a "young-kid" try to give me lessons about GN'R. I'm 23, I've been a fan since 1991 while you were a small baby, I know better than you what is "Guns n' Roses". And this is not what you saw at the VMA'02 (even if I loved it when I saw it live when it happened). Capichi?

nice post... i agree 10000 percent...

Why?? This was kind of the point to my earlier post! You must still like GnR as they are now or why do you still use this site or why do you poast messages on here? That must mean you still care? If I really didnt like something anymore or didnt like the direction it had gone in, I think Id have to say fuck it and move on. I know that I dont know you nesquick or you leesixxrose but I reckon you still do love what Axl does and what is gonna happen soon, just seems like frustration cos of the lack of activity! Im not trying to be a patronising wanker by saying this , I just cant imagine that people who really dont care for Axl or the new band would even bother using this or other message boards!

[Mikkamakka]

I'm afraid some people reverse the meaning of 'evolving' and 'descending'