Beat up His dog to death

[LeftToDecay]

Not much difference? When hunting, the aim is not to make the animal suffer as much as possible. At least here in Finland, hunting is a very important factor in controlling animal populations for some species. And also, it _is_ done to get food from it, and not just for pleasure.

I don't think any cruelty or additional suffering should be caused to any animals. Doesn't matter if it's a snake, a dog or a bear.

Morals people tend to come up with to  justify them killing animals pisses me off.The line "as long as it didn't suffer." is just a pile hypocrisy.filled
feel good bullshit that helps you sleep at night, after you have done some manly primitive sense masturbation with a shotgun in woods.
Everytime You kill something that didn't have to die, it's the "KILL" - part that is relevant to the animal and it's uhh loved ones much more than anything else. You torture it a minute or two before ending it's life? Obviously fucked up and cruel,but it shouldn't be more than a footnote compared to the capital action here: YOU KILLED IT.

Are you saying that even a remotely relevant portion of hunters are out there because "hunting is a very important factor in controlling animal populations for some species" or because they are in a dire need of meat? You are fucking kidding right?
They are out there because they enjoy the hunt. they enjoy being in the forest with "guys", they enjoy the kills and thrills involved.
There is no one in Finland who can afford Hunter's lisence/gear/weapons and at the same time, is so poor that whatever he "brings to table" would make a relevant economical difference for him/his family.If the Meat brought to table is important, it is that just because of the primitive ego boost you get from fact it was "you" who kiled/took part in killing/was drunk somewhere in the vicinity of killing the elk you are eating with your family. You can tell your woman and son how you teared it open with your bare hands and..ahh you get the point.

You are right, "hunting is a very important factor in controlling animal populations for some species."
However, that answers to question "Why is it legal to hunt elks in Finland?"
not in "Why people are more than happy to kill elks in Finland?"

[Sin Cut]

What a load of crap.

Animals kill animals.
Animals kill humans, too.
Humans kill animals.
People kill people.

And really people die in car crashes every year when they hit an elk, sure that wouldn't happen if we'd kill all of them, but that's not the point either. So, you see, hunting has a multipurpose of bringing meat to the table and keeping, for an example, the elk population in check.

Tell me LTD, are you against killing rats too?

Also we track down and shoot bears or wolves that have attacked people. Now isn't that just plain wrong?

[Mr. Dick Purple]

I'll go with sin cut in this one, dont tell me cause you eat vegetables plants doesnt have a life?, just because they dont whine or stuff doesnt mean they feel or you know what a plant feels?

[Sin Cut]

DP, well there's a one difference called a brain, or nervous system, I dunno about fly's and such if they feel pain, but every animal certainly do.

But again I'm sure and antilope feels less pain when it gets a headshot from a rifle than in the claws of a lion.

[Mr. Dick Purple]

Every living creature has its way of feeling weather have brains or not, for instance an octopus, it doesnt have brains but is clever isn't it?
The basic point here is that some dog was treating so bad cause someone wants to make it suffer, period thats wrong if anyone try to mix that with someone that makes a animal suffer for eating purpose and stuff is going in other direction

[Bono]

Morals people tend to come up with to? justify them killing animals pisses me off.The line "as long as it didn't suffer." is just a pile hypocrisy.filled
feel good bullshit that helps you sleep at night, after you have done some manly primitive sense masturbation with a shotgun in woods.
Everytime You kill something that didn't have to die, it's the "KILL" - part that is relevant to the animal and it's uhh loved ones much more than anything else. You torture it a minute or two before ending it's life? Obviously fucked up and cruel,but it shouldn't be more than a footnote compared to the capital action here: YOU KILLED IT.

Are you saying that even a remotely relevant portion of hunters are out there because "hunting is a very important factor in controlling animal populations for some species" or because they are in a dire need of meat? You are fucking kidding right?
They are out there because they enjoy the hunt. they enjoy being in the forest with "guys", they enjoy the kills and thrills involved.
There is no one in Finland who can afford Hunter's lisence/gear/weapons and at the same time, is so poor that whatever he "brings to table" would make a relevant economical difference for him/his family.If the Meat brought to table is important, it is that just because of the primitive ego boost you get from fact it was "you" who kiled/took part in killing/was drunk somewhere in the vicinity of killing the elk you are eating with your family. You can tell your woman and son how you teared it open with your bare hands and..ahh you get the point.

You are right, "hunting is a very important factor in controlling animal populations for some species."
However, that answers to question "Why is it legal to hunt elks in Finland?"
not in "Why people are more than happy to kill elks in Finland?"

Well after reading through all this righteousness I can tell you for a fact that in northern Canada hunting is  a way of life and whether you believe it or not there are families who do rely on hunting animals to survive. Especially through out the winter.? Go ahead and say I'm full of shit but I've lived it so.....

[The Dog]

I honestlydont think u can go to jail for killin an animal though.

whats the difference between killing an animal and all these people who hunt?

I know the guy was more cruel due to the fact it wasnt a fast painful death...... but honestly, is there much difference in this and hunting?

um, yeah.  huge difference.  you don't go to the pound or the store, buy a deer.  feed it, love it, nurture it, and then one day decide to beat it to death with a whip and a tree trunk.

seriously, you don't see a difference?  Thats disturbing.

As for legal ramifications, I wonder if in the states you could serve some jail time for this?  Def a huge fine/community service/probation I would think.

[Sin Cut]

Every living creature has its way of feeling weather have brains or not, for instance an octopus, it doesnt have brains but is clever isn't it?
The basic point here is that some dog was treating so bad cause someone wants to make it suffer, period thats wrong if anyone try to mix that with someone that makes a animal suffer for eating purpose and stuff is going in other direction

Octopus does have a brain, if you don't believe me google it.

It would be quite the veggie if it wouldn't have one 

I agreed with the rest of your post

[Mr. Dick Purple]

Octopus does have a brain, if you don't believe me google it.

It would be quite the veggie if it wouldn't have one 

I agreed with the rest of your post

Men i dont wanna google let me see 

Edit: Yes they do have brain, fuck I hate discovery 
Edit2: They dont have backbone thats it, but they have a huge brain i mix thing up my mistake now I love discovery   

[D]

So going out into the wild and blowing a deer's head off and putting it on your wall is humane?

I'm not agreeing or saying its ok for this guy to do this to a dog. U are misunderstanding.

I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy.

If someone kills a dog, people want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.

Someone goes and blows an innocent Deer's head off and mounts it on their wall, that is ok.

What if the guy had shot his dog and not whipped it? Would that make it ok?

I don't think its right to kill any animal that isnt a threat to u.

Snakes, sure, they are a threat. Rats spread disease

but innocent wild life game being shot just so people can get a thrill and compensate for their small penis to me is no different than someone killing a dog,cat,pet fish or bird.

[LeftToDecay]

What a load of crap.
*snap*
*incoherent babble*
*/snap*

So, you see, hunting has a multipurpose of bringing meat to the table and keeping, for an example, the elk population in check.

Tell me LTD, are you against killing rats too?

Also we track down and shoot bears or wolves that have attacked people. Now isn't that just plain wrong?

If you thought my post was some sort of "stop killing animals now!!!" statement you misunderstood my point.
I was questioning how very flexible we are with our morals, when it comes to killing an animal, and justifying it to ourselves.
I' not some avid holier than tho*Peta forums visiting anti-hunter kettutytt?. I just hate it how some of the hunters  justify it, instead of atleast being man enough to admit what it is all about for them. I spend my entire childhood in pretty rural town, and know my hunters and feel I have a pretty good idea of what it is about.
You do not go hunting in Finland to get meat, freash air,or to serve community by controlling elk  population. Surely these add a varying amount of kick in it but sure as hell it isn't the reason most people do it. So what's left?I don't have to tell it to you and we shouldn't be able to debate about this.

but innocent wild life game being shot just so people can get a thrill and compensate for their small penis to me is no different than someone killing a dog,cat,pet fish or bird.

I know a couple of veggies who don't eat meat because it's wrong and eat fish instead, because it's healthy.I don't get it.

Well after reading through all this righteousness I can tell you for a fact that in northern Canada hunting is  a way of life and whether you believe it or not there are families who do rely on hunting animals to survive. Especially through out the winter.  Go ahead and say I'm full of shit but I've lived it so.....

well there you go. If you are hunting for your own survival then obviously there isn't a remotely sane person who could ever critizise you of it.Atleast I can't.

_{* I am much holier than you are, however. No question about it.} 

[SuperMike]

but innocent wild life game being shot just so people can get a thrill and compensate for their small penis to me is no different than someone killing a dog,cat,pet fish or bird.

I can see that you hate the sport of hunting.

[The Dog]

So going out into the wild and blowing a deer's head off and putting it on your wall is humane?

I'm not agreeing or saying its ok for this guy to do this to a dog. U are misunderstanding.

I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy.

If someone kills a dog, people want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.

Someone goes and blows an innocent Deer's head off and mounts it on their wall, that is ok.

What if the guy had shot his dog and not whipped it? Would that make it ok?

I don't think its right to kill any animal that isnt a threat to u.

Snakes, sure, they are a threat. Rats spread disease

but innocent wild life game being shot just so people can get a thrill and compensate for their small penis to me is no different than someone killing a dog,cat,pet fish or bird.

i see your point, and i'm not the worlds biggest fan of hunting for sport, but like it or not, one is legal, the other isn't.  One is accepted (albeit in some cases begrudingly), the other isn't.

its also a perception thing, a wild animal doesn't live in your house, its not "man's best friend".

[D]

If u have to hunt to survive that is fine. all power to u.

But I hate reading in the paper and seeing someone holdin up a trophy animal and acting like they are a bad ass cause they killed a buck.

Give the buck a fuckin shotgun and then u will impress me.  Shooting a defenseless animal isnt cool in my opinion.

What happened to that dog is horrible, I wont watch that video.....

I just wanted to point out what It was I pointed out about all animals.

[Mr. Dick Purple]

This debate will go forever cause everyone have different opinions and none of them are wrong, but the topic here is the dog that was treat like shit and there are ways to put that criminal in jail, period. Other things discussed in this topic are just way misleading the original post, so please stay focus or let this thread easy and simple. Thanks

[axlslover]

What a load of crap.

Animals kill animals.
Animals kill humans, too.
Humans kill animals.
People kill people.

And really people die in car crashes every year when they hit an elk, sure that wouldn't happen if we'd kill all of them, but that's not the point either. So, you see, hunting has a multipurpose of bringing meat to the table and keeping, for an example, the elk population in check.

Tell me LTD, are you against killing rats too?

Also we track down and shoot bears or wolves that have attacked people. Now isn't that just plain wrong?

this is a joke right? i have known and been kin to a few hunters all my life and they have never been hungry or hurting for food, they get a fucking kick out of killing something...not many bears go up into peoples houses and kill them, people go out to there homes(the woods) and get killed because they arent very knowledgeable about bears or other wild animals. every hunter ive ever known is just a redneck who loves to kill something and set back and think they've done something "manly" what a joke! sorry its off topic a bit, just had to get it off my chest because black bears are my favorite wild animal and my brother just killed a 450 lb. one and is soo happy and i think it sucks!