Enough with the VR comparisons already

[DontDamnMe]

from my POV, VR was a huge disappointment and theres only one kick ass song, Slither.  The rest are extremely average to me and it doesn't even sound like Slash on most of the tunes.  The solo on fall to pieces is WEAK. 

Again, you will not here a solo like on DLT on any other these "New GNR" tracks.  Bucket is gone, so you aren't going to have anything earth-shattering.  Slither is not even my favorite VR track.  DLT & STBlues are a helluva lot smoother if you ask me.   Fall to Pieces is just as good as the one dimensional track "The Blues".  I'm talking musically, not the vocals. 

Sounds more like you are just bashing axl for taking a long time to release CD, cancelling the tours etc.....

Why would I put faith in a band that takes this long to release an album and cancels gigs left and right?  You people don't get it.  Axl doesn't care about you, the common fan, he cares about himself and if he cancels your city's gig, oh the fuck well... at least VR are professionals doing their thing.  Even if they aren't as good musically (which they are), I give them credit for actually putting out music and actually showing up for fucking gigs! 

[Axl_GNR]

i'd rather go for ferrari vs. bike without wheels

Yeah... the Ferrari goes so much faster than the bike without wheels.? A Ferrari can form a band within a few months of searching and put out an album a year or two later, have it go multi-platinum and tour the country.? While a bike without wheels might go ten or more years, trying to replace a spoke here and there, never putting out an album or having a successful tour.? I definitely prefer that Ferrari!!!!

Well Axl does have 32 songs done, which does equate to at least 2 albums worth of music. ?And Axl being the perfectionist that he is, I bet that none of those songs are filler and that both of these albums will be masterpieces and possibly the greatest albums ever. ?It may have taken a long time, but the wait will definately be worth it. ?VR isn't a terrible band, in fact, I really like Slither....but they definately don't compare to what Axl is about to accomplish.

[DontDamnMe]

Well Axl does have 32 songs done, which does equate to at least 2 albums worth of music.

Bullshit alert!  Per Axl just a few weeks ago... they are NOT 'done'!

And Axl being the perfectionist that he is, I bet that none of those songs are filler and that both of these albums will be masterpieces and possibly the greatest albums ever.

That's why we're waiting 10 years, because the material is so great?  Is that why he played so much of the old GnR stuff on the short tour a few years ago, because the new shit is just so great?!?

[Axl_GNR]

Axl doesn't care about you, the common fan, he cares about himself and if he cancels your city's gig, oh the fuck well... at least VR are professionals doing their thing.? Even if they aren't as good musically (which they are), I give them credit for actually putting out music and actually showing up for fucking gigs!?

Axl does care about the fans, thats the biggest reason he is doing this album. ?He is already super rich and doesn't have to do this. ?But music is his passion and he doesn't want to disappoint the fans, which is why its taking so long. ?He knows there are high expectations for Chinese Democracy and more, and he doesn't want to let anyone down with filler tracks. ?

VR has canceled gigs, in fact, I remember they canceled one here in Portland.

[Axl_GNR]

Well Axl does have 32 songs done, which does equate to at least 2 albums worth of music.

Bullshit alert!? Per Axl just a few weeks ago... they are NOT 'done'!

And Axl being the perfectionist that he is, I bet that none of those songs are filler and that both of these albums will be masterpieces and possibly the greatest albums ever.

That's why we're waiting 10 years, because the material is so great?? Is that why he played so much of the old GnR stuff on the short tour a few years ago, because the new shit is just so great?!?

They are done or they are close to done. 

They didn't play much of the new stuff in 2002 cause the album isn't out yet.  They aren't going to give away too much of the stuff before the album release.  Playing the Blues, Chinese Democracy, and Madagascar was perfect because it was a taste of the new album while leaving us looking forward to whats to come.

[DontDamnMe]

He is already super rich and doesn't have to do this.  But music is his passion and he doesn't want to disappoint the fans, which is why its taking so long.

Firstly, all millionaires want to earn their next million, Axl, Slash & Duff are no exceptions here.  Per record company execs at Geffen, Axl was not so passionate about music in the late 90's.  Dude... he cancelled his fucking tour!  Everybody tours nowadays!  Fucking Cheap Trick plays shows!  Go on a fucking tour, if your shit is so great!  His tour was a flop and this is why I can't understand why you people are so quick to give Chinese Democracy multi-platinum status and act like Axl is a god.  Furthermore, VR has been around much less time, but has played many more gigs and sold albums. 

[Elrothiel]

i'd rather go for ferrari vs. bike without wheels

Yeah... the Ferrari goes so much faster than the bike without wheels. A Ferrari can form a band within a few months of searching and put out an album a year or two later, have it go multi-platinum and tour the country. While a bike without wheels might go ten or more years, trying to replace a spoke here and there, never putting out an album or having a successful tour. I definitely prefer that Ferrari!!!!

HA!!! A Ferrari can drive many many miles without getting to the right place, but it will eventually get there.

A bike without wheels can be pedalled as fast as you like... it ain't goin' anywhere.

Ferrari = Gn'R
Bike = VR

[Smoking Guns]

I will agree that musically (no vocals) VR is much tighter and more in your face.  If you listen to Come on Come In music and then listen to IRS or so, the sound similar, but VR sounds better, more cohesive.  Axl's Lyrics and vocals are amazing.  If he sang on You Got No Right just imagine what it would have been like.  As dumb as this thread is, I must agree.  Take away Axl's vocals and there isn't much to the music.

[DontDamnMe]

As dumb as this thread is, I must agree.  Take away Axl's vocals and there isn't much to the music.

So, even though you agree, its still a dumb thread?  I guess a dumb thread is anything negative that has to do with Axl.  My point in starting the thread was, there are actually people here who think Axl is better off with the new Gunners than the original lineup.  My solution for them is to lay down the crack-pipe, while you still have fibers available in your brain.

Its hilarious to see people actually pose the question: "will CD be better than Appetite?"  I mean, fuck dudes... not many records from the Stones, Beatles or Zep can touch fucking Appetite!!!  Appetite will likely not be re-done for a long, long time, by any band!  But certainly not from this crop of songs slated for CD.  Lyrically, vocally, Appetite is just so much better... let alone the better music. 

[Chodem]

You guys are all gonna eat your words when you see just how danceable VR's next album is.  You're not going to be able to resist the grooves and you're just gonna have to dance.

[Axl_GNR]

You guys are all gonna eat your words when you see just how danceable VR's next album is.? You're not going to be able to resist the grooves and you're just gonna have to dance.

yeah we'll be shaking the laffy taffy to VR.

[DontDamnMe]

yeah we'll be shaking the laffy taffy to VR.

yeah... maybe while we're shaking our laffy taffy to VR's 2nd album, somebody will leak a new version of TWAT to a radio station with Robin's solos.  Then we can all come back here and orgasm about a new CD release time-line and talk about how close we must be to seeing the real thing!!!!!!

[The Dog]

from my POV, VR was a huge disappointment and theres only one kick ass song, Slither.  The rest are extremely average to me and it doesn't even sound like Slash on most of the tunes.  The solo on fall to pieces is WEAK. 

Again, you will not here a solo like on DLT on any other these "New GNR" tracks.  Bucket is gone, so you aren't going to have anything earth-shattering.  Slither is not even my favorite VR track.  DLT & STBlues are a helluva lot smoother if you ask me.   Fall to Pieces is just as good as the one dimensional track "The Blues".  I'm talking musically, not the vocals. 

Sounds more like you are just bashing axl for taking a long time to release CD, cancelling the tours etc.....

Why would I put faith in a band that takes this long to release an album and cancels gigs left and right?  You people don't get it.  Axl doesn't care about you, the common fan, he cares about himself and if he cancels your city's gig, oh the fuck well... at least VR are professionals doing their thing.  Even if they aren't as good musically (which they are), I give them credit for actually putting out music and actually showing up for fucking gigs! 

They are demos....you dont' know what the final tracks will sound like.  I'd bet that IRS demo we heard wasn't even close to being finished.

As for putting faith in someone....dude, I realy don't care if axl likes me or what he thinks of me and i REALLY don't think he gives a shit about me....i've said in other posts I don't think axl owes us ANYTHING.  I simply love the music this guys makes.  I'm glad hes going to take 10 years to make something that is goin to kick my ass as opposed to an average album that honestly, i don't even listen to anymore.

Anyways, degenerating into a "vr is better/new guns better" is pretty dumb...but the original point of this thread (i think) was to stop comparing the two.  I don't see how you can't to be honest - theres just too much history between the two.  Everyone is going to have their own opinion...trying to argue "which is better" is just totally pointless. 

[Smoking Guns]

As dumb as this thread is, I must agree.? Take away Axl's vocals and there isn't much to the music.

So, even though you agree, its still a dumb thread?? I guess a dumb thread is anything negative that has to do with Axl.? My point in starting the thread was, there are actually people here who think Axl is better off with the new Gunners than the original lineup.? My solution for them is to lay down the crack-pipe, while you still have fibers available in your brain.

Its hilarious to see people actually pose the question: "will CD be better than Appetite?"? I mean, fuck dudes... not many records from the Stones, Beatles or Zep can touch fucking Appetite!!!? Appetite will likely not be re-done for a long, long time, by any band!? But certainly not from this crop of songs slated for CD.? Lyrically, vocally, Appetite is just so much better... let alone the better music.?

My bad DontDamnMe.  Its a good thread, just people take it the wrong way and say dumb shit.  VR's music really rocks.  I can't say the same for new GNR cause all the songs are ballads and such.

[McDuff]

Why would I put faith in a band that takes this long to release an album and cancels gigs left and right?  You people don't get it.  Axl doesn't care about you, the common fan, he cares about himself and if he cancels your city's gig, oh the fuck well... at least VR are professionals doing their thing.  Even if they aren't as good musically (which they are), I give them credit for actually putting out music and actually showing up for fucking gigs! 

Then why are you here?

[Elrothiel]

Well said Slash McKagan!

[tomass74]

I'm glad it looks like Axl will finally release something, and though its way overdue, it should be a good listen.? However, these demos floating around are no better musically, if not worse musically, than the VR stuff.? Put Axl on VR's tracks and Contraband would have sold 8 figures.? Musically, what Slash & Co are doing is much stronger than what Fortus and Finck are doing.? Buckethead is gone, so its not fair to even compare Slash to Buckethead, because Bucket is not a Gunner anymore!!!?

I feel like some fans here are just knocking Slash and Duff, because they are so wrapped up riding Axl's jock.? Did you hear the solo on Dirty Little Thing?? You won't hear solos like that on the new Guns stuff.? All you will hear is Axl's voice and his lyrics.? The band is good, but musically, they are not on VR's level.? Anybody in the music biz would tell you the same.? Axl should stop all this shit and just re-unite with Slash, Izzy and Duff.?

DDM

Dude, screw everyone.. Some people aren't going to like VR just for the simple fact that they are angry that people talk shit about Axl... Their loss I say...

[mikegiuliana]

these subjects are crazy the comparing is rediculous.. if new gnr did a rocker like slther, dlt or a ballad like ftps I think we wopuld get mucho appreciation saying what a cool rocker, or that's a illusions sounding ballad that is radio friendly with potential to climb the charts..

Too much time is wasted on bashing, just give your feelings with some constructive manor...  if you don't like vr then that's cool, but no sence running over to say weiland sucks or fuck the old guys because you are enjoying the new material..

[speed-stone]

i'm sorry but no, even when i try to picture the new gnr songs with weiland's voice and the vr songs with axl's (both a painful experience), the gnr material (which isn't even mixed and released yet) is lightyears ahead of what vr came up with. i have heard contraband, and as far as slash' solos go, the buckethead solo on madagascar and TWAT buries what slash has come up with since 1991. slash needed axl to drive that shit out of him, simple as that. i agree though, stop with the comparisons, because there really is no comparison and any doubt about that will be buried alive once CD hits stores.

[Pandora]

You're right, enough with the comparisons. And enough with this stupid thread as well.