The GH story, the IRS connection, the possible future..

[oneway23]

Ok, all of this info was a tremendous amount to digest....I leave for 2 days, and between Dark's post, Badgirl's info, and a little Mysteron thrown in for good measure, I'm a bit frazzled to say the least!!....My one question for you guys is this though:  In Dark's post, he claims the final mix of Cd hasn't been handed over....In badgirl's post, the Cd is, at the very least, complete.  According to Mysteron, he hasn't heard an update on CD's status since November;  If any of these are even remotely close to the case, how can Sanctuary be planning for a release on a project that is not done?  I like the notion of an independent release, and the person who raised that Wilco example brought up a great situation....The thing is, in Wilco's case, they paid their label $100,000 (I believe, if I recall correctly) for the masters of Yankee Foxtrot...If Axl/Sanctuary attempted the same, how could Axl POSSIBLY reimburse Universal for the millions upon millions that have been poured into CD?  Axl should be selling assets, not buying Mobil Horses!  
Maybe I've got some of the particulars wrong here, but in Wilco's case, the label didn't feel that Wilco's disc was commercially viable enough...If Universal is so impressed with CD and its eventual success, why would they even agree to sell the masters over to Axl?  Actually, take a step back...ARE the masters under Universal's control or Axl's here?
What seems more likely to me is that the GH unceremoniously ends GNR's contract with Universal, at which point, they will assume no financial responsibility whatsoever with regard to the manufacturing, distribution, and/or promotion of CD.....Axl could then be free to pay Universal all monies owed and go his own route...Of course, this again, is all assuming that Axl does have or can gain control of the masters....If someone could clear this up for me, it would help greatly in my analysis of these goings-on.....

Cheers
Joe

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I t hink dark is full of shit, that is just my two cents
im sick of posts like this
look what dark is saying is bullshit
id believe dizzys wife over dark anyday

Purely speaking from our shared interest as fans, I hope you're right and that I'm "full of shit" - of course.. I am only relaying that what's been told to me - but it definitely has the potential to be as wrong as anything else in life.

Maybe you're sick of posts like this because reality scares you.  If you take a step back and look at everything, and I mean the BIG PICTURE - not what our deluded fanboy / fangirl minds lead us to believe - there is something seriously wrong with not hearing from Axl for almost 15 months now.  There is something that's definitely not kosher about a concert that's booked but that no one can seem to confirm.  There is DEFINITELY something wrong with a Greatest Hits album being scheduled, dropped, and now rescheduled.

So, disregarding EVERYTHING I've posted - those facts remain.  Now you take a look at them for a second with an objective eye and you tell me that everything appears to be hunky dory in GNR town.

Dave - you know what, I sure as hell hope I'm wrong.  I sure as hell hope that GH is just some big ruse for CD's release - or that Rio IV is just the beginning of a massive tour undertaking - I really, really do.  I'd love a perfect world where the red headed recluse flies into Philly, apologizes, and holds a free concert there.  Where he grants open interviews to radio jocks without freaking on them if they play the "Slash is in my ass, that's where Slash is" bit from Leeds.. Where he actually lets the music speak for itself and drops the primadonna act.

Axl is like the Veruca Salt (The Willy Wonka character - not the band) of the music industry.  He thinks if he stomps his foot enough and yells and screams, people will listen.  Sorry, but the extreme clout that Mr. Rose carried in the past doesn't seem to hold much water with the 'money people' right now.  So you go right on believing what you want to believe.  I'll just sit here and continue to hope that Axl realizes that every day that passes brings him one step closer to a horrid self-fulfilling prophecy of being, truly, a has-been.

-darknemus

darknemus if this album comes out or not wont effect me either way.
My life does not revolve around this album coming out.
I just wish some other people would treat it that way too.

[oneway23]

dave-gnfnr2k, yet another poster who is adding nothing to this conversation but their own overgeneralizations and arrogance.....Judging from the bottom of your posts, you take great pride in your association to the GNR community by pointing out who you are to every poster that sees your name....Let's get it straight, NO ONE'S life here revolves around a band or a collection of songs...We all have families, lives, concerns, fears, aspirations, etc....However, the main thing that binds us collectively is our love for GNR...We are on a GNR board, correct?  Therefore, the main thing that everyone here is willing to disclose, if nothing else, is their view on GNR and everything associated with it...If friendships and relationships grow out of that common interest, then so be it....Regardless of how well you presume to know someone on this board, unless you've developed a geniune rapport with them outside of it, you know but 1/10th, maybe 2, of their entire being...Don't make an assinine comment like that....

[pilferk]

so dark's thread is all false then?

No, I'm ONLY talking about the question he asked Mysteron: The part about GnR releaseing CD "independantly".  His initial post has nothing to do with me.  Hope that clears things up....

[madagas]

Oneway, I brought up the Wilco reference. They did not have to pay for the album. Here is the link to the article at RS. Pilferk-Darknemus, Mysteron, and anyone else who is interested in what could happen (granted Gnr money is on a much larger scale but Gnr has also made a helluva lot more for Geffen than they have lost!!!) and is interested in band vs. label artistic issues should read this.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=15840&cf=57

[madagas]

PS There is also a Gnr mention at the bottom of the article-great lost albums??!!!

[jarmo]

My one question for you guys is this though:  In Dark's post, he claims the final mix of Cd hasn't been handed over....In badgirl's post, the Cd is, at the very least, complete.

Dizzy was asked what the hold up is, if it's Axl.

Dizzy's reply: "It's not Axl, there's just a couple of details that need worked out." Harry joked that Geffen is merging with Duncan Hines (the bakery company), suggesting that's the problem.

Dizzy on 94.7 The Zone in Chicago, IL January 2004.



If Axl's not holding up the release, don't you think it might be done?



/jarmo

[oneway23]

Jarmo, with all due respect, I've learned to completely disregard what Dizzy says, at least in public...According to his public statements, I think it's safe to say that Dizzy is speculating just as much as the rest of us....You should know better than to take this as Gospel...

joe

[oneway23]

Madagas, that's really strange...I remember reading about Jeff Tweedy in RS in one of those one-page interviews they always have (I even remember he had a dress shirt and a blue sweater on!  Don't ask why!) that he had to pay $100,00 for the masters, which, although it was a lot of money for them, he said he felt that he felt it was the best career decision he ever made...I'm not doubting your info, but I know someone else mentioned in another thread that labels always own the masters, because the label controls release timetables...In GNR' case, I doubt Geffen would relinquish the tapes that easily, considering the investment....

joe

Edit:  According to the article you posted, Wilco did get it back for free...Really strange to see RS post conflicting reports, but going by this article, maybe Wilco got the masters for free because the label that actually released it ended up being an actual subsidiary of Reprise?  I dunno, just a guess...

Yet Another Edit:  Just went on RS.com...great news is new Wilco comes out on June 8th Madagas...This is great...Wilco and Modest Mouse in the same year!!!  

[jarmo]

Jarmo, with all due respect, I've learned to completely disregard what Dizzy says, at least in public...According to his public statements, I think it's safe to say that Dizzy is speculating just as much as the rest of us....You should know better than to take this as Gospel...

joe

Ummm, at least he's in the band and not some guy posting on a board.

Even if I don't believe in everything he says, it's still interesting to read.


Instead of discussing the possibility that he was telling the truth, you just say "it's Dizzy, can't be true" and keep discussing stuff posted by board members.  


If Dizzy is telling the truth and saying CD is done, then wouldn't that mean this thread is just bullshit?


/jarmo

[oneway23]

Interesting to read doesn't indicate truth, Jarmo.....Every rumor posted by an "insider"  and every vague comment posted by a band member is, at the very least, if nothing else, interesting to read because it gives us small glimmers of hope here and there.  Dizzy has been wrong on the release of CD just as much as anyone on this board...We did discuss the possibility of Dizzy telling the truth, the first 4 times...Now it just seems like he's crying wolf every time we hear from him...He's just doing his part to keep a possible release alive as much as we are...it just seems like you're being overly certain here that what he's said is the "truth", when it seems that the situation has gotten a lot worse since he did that interview.

joe

[Platoon]

This album is never coming out! Its gonna be a war between GN'R and the record company and will go on for a few years then the record company will drop GN'R and then Axl will get back togther with Slash, Duff, Matt and will sign with another record company and will make huge money!

Im hoping anyway...lol

[Doc Emmett Brown]

I'd love a perfect world where the red headed recluse flies into Philly, apologizes, and holds a free concert there.  Where he grants open interviews to radio jocks without freaking on them if they play the "Slash is in my ass, that's where Slash is" bit from Leeds.. Where he actually lets the music speak for itself and drops the primadonna act.

I'll just sit here and continue to hope that Axl realizes that every day that passes brings him one step closer to a horrid self-fulfilling prophecy of being, truly, a has-been.

damn... just look at the mountain Axl has to climb before he reaches rock-bottom again in public opinion...  

He's done plenty of stupid shit in the past, but he still has the power to make things right again!  

This is no task for an ordinary man - they can just sit home and watch ESPN.

C'mon Axl!!   Make things right!

[killingvector]

this situation is seriously fucked. You have to blame the redhead because no company in their right mind would allow an artist the freedom that axl has enjoyed. I don't blame them for applying some pressure but then again the GH doesn't give fans what they deserve.

if we don't get a release this year, axl should just give up because i'm almost there myself.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

dave-gnfnr2k, yet another poster who is adding nothing to this conversation but their own overgeneralizations and arrogance.....Judging from the bottom of your posts, you take great pride in your association to the GNR community by pointing out who you are to every poster that sees your name....Let's get it straight, NO ONE'S life here revolves around a band or a collection of songs...We all have families, lives, concerns, fears, aspirations, etc....However, the main thing that binds us collectively is our love for GNR...We are on a GNR board, correct?  Therefore, the main thing that everyone here is willing to disclose, if nothing else, is their view on GNR and everything associated with it...If friendships and relationships grow out of that common interest, then so be it....Regardless of how well you presume to know someone on this board, unless you've developed a geniune rapport with them outside of it, you know but 1/10th, maybe 2, of their entire being...Don't make an assinine comment like that....

First off the reason for the thing at the bottom of my post its because someone else here last  year was using the name gnfnr2 and people were getting us confused, so there ya go.

Now on to your rant. Im sick of bullshit posts like this, they are getting very old, everyone knows its bullshit, and im tired of people freaking out over made up stuff.

This post is bullshit and im going to say it is.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Jarmo, with all due respect, I've learned to completely disregard what Dizzy says, at least in public...According to his public statements, I think it's safe to say that Dizzy is speculating just as much as the rest of us....You should know better than to take this as Gospel...

joe

Oh you would rather believe darks post on a message board who likes to pretend he knows what is going on over a member in the band?
That is a good one.

[Miz]

Jarmo, with all due respect, I've learned to completely disregard what Dizzy says, at least in public...According to his public statements, I think it's safe to say that Dizzy is speculating just as much as the rest of us....You should know better than to take this as Gospel...

joe

Oh you would rather believe darks post on a message board who likes to pretend he knows what is going on over a member in the band?
That is a good one.

He never acutally claimed to know what was going on in the band...

[PS_PoWeR]

Simple question: How come no other mainstream band has these kinds of problems and hassle?

How come bands like Aerosmith, Bon Jovi, Metallica, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, and just about every other big band (whether you like 'em or not) can get their stuff out without all this bullshit drama?

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Simple question: How come no other mainstream band has these kinds of problems and hassle?

How come bands like Aerosmith, Bon Jovi, Metallica, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, and just about every other big band (whether you like 'em or not) can get their stuff out without all this bullshit drama?

Tool and NIN fans have the same problems, so its not just gnr fans.

[darknemus]

Simple question: How come no other mainstream band has these kinds of problems and hassle?

How come bands like Aerosmith, Bon Jovi, Metallica, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, and just about every other big band (whether you like 'em or not) can get their stuff out without all this bullshit drama?

My personal guess is the sole separating factor is the frontman and his various personality 'quirks'.  Axl is.. unique, and that's both his best quality and his worse.  He reminds me of one of those people that dont work well unless everything is collapsing around them - oh well, we all have our own personality issues

-darknemus