When Did GNR "Jump the Shark?"

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[slashsaxl]

for me its still yet to be seen, everybody's got their own opinion, so its tough to tell, as far as im concerned if cd ever comes out and i confident in the material but if it comes out and fails, then i'll realize what the fuck for, then it'll be a joke to me


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[Caligula13]

they didn`t jump the shark when we talk about their music.  the new songs are good. but axls approach toward his fans is somehow strange. he jumped the shark after the canceled tour when he chose to kill us with silence.

[Izzy]

GNR doesn't seem like a joke to me.

If they are a joke to u why do u still follow them??

[Doc Emmett Brown]

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 And still people complain about his new look!

In 2001-02, I remember reading a lot of articles which talked about GNR in a positive way.  IMO, there was a feeling of excitement.  He still had the mystique thing going for him.

Then came the VMAs and the failed tour.  But no new album.  

And all those jokes about his "wig", and apparent weight gain.  It ruined the mystique.

And still no new album.  

[jellyhead]

Matt Sorum joining.

[marknroses]

Don't hold me to it, because I don;t think that GNR jumped the shark through the UYI Tour. I even feel that the "Estranged" video, and the trilogy videos (not to mention the videos of "Yesterdays" and "Garden of Eden" were Axl in his most creative that he has shown us.

But in talking about the old band, there's no question that Axl's "Mr. Brownstone" rant of October 19th 1989 was the beginning of the end of the "old GNR" - that was when it became official policy of GNR that the old uses of drugs and debauchery to make music had come to an end and that now Axl was calling upon the other members of the band (publicly) to take much more seriousness in the making of the music.

I don't think that GNR's music suffered at all with UYI - I just feel that after that rant it started becoming solely "Axl's vision". This is not to mention that the concerts with the ROLLING STONES in October 1989had a huge impact on Axl.

-He grew enamoured with Mick Jagger's role as the lead singer (or as he put it in interviews "dictator") - and soon began incorporating it into his own practices within GNR.
-He grew enamoured of the ROLLING STONES' touring lineup with backup singers and horn sections, and used it as the model of GNR's stadium arsenal.

I also want to mention that GNR jumped the shark when Slash, Izzy and Duff grew tired of drinking and partying heavily by 1994 and when Steven Adler had sustained permanent damage doing those things by 1990.
 
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[Doc Emmett Brown]

-He grew enamoured with Mick Jagger's role as the lead singer (or as he put it in interviews "dictator") - and soon began incorporating it into his own practices within GNR.
-He grew enamoured of the ROLLING STONES' touring lineup with backup singers and horn sections, and used it as the model of GNR's stadium arsenal.

Damn that Mick!  

I've seen the 'Salt of the Earth' video w/ Axl & Izzy.  Izzy's just doing his thing with Keith Richards, but Mick & Axl are strutting all over the place, and there's those annoying backup singers as well...

But the Rolling Stones have had a long & successful career, very few people would accuse them of jumping the shark, even with those backup singers.  
GNR on the other hand, did it too soon in their career.

[SlashFan]

-He grew enamoured with Mick Jagger's role as the lead singer (or as he put it in interviews "dictator") - and soon began incorporating it into his own practices within GNR.
-He grew enamoured of the ROLLING STONES' touring lineup with backup singers and horn sections, and used it as the model of GNR's stadium arsenal.

Damn that Mick!  

I've seen the 'Salt of the Earth' video w/ Axl & Izzy.  Izzy's just doing his thing with Keith Richards, but Mick & Axl are strutting all over the place, and there's those annoying backup singers as well...

But the Rolling Stones have had a long & successful career, very few people would accuse them of jumping the shark, even with those backup singers.  
GNR on the other hand, did it too soon in their career.

I agree,but I don't like the Stones much,not their newer music,I liked the old stuff though.

[madagas]

I believe they jumped when Izzy left. It was over-no buffer between Slash and Axl and no album of original material. In my mind, there is no Guns N Roses or new Gnr until an album is released by the new group. The 2002 tour was no more of a joke than the end of the Illusion tours. Axl has hit rock fucking bottom as of this point and can only be redeemed by releasing an album at least as good as the Illusions. I don't care about sales or tours or t-shirts or interviews. I just want a good solid album to show the world Axl is not a complete idiot.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

I believe they jumped when Izzy left.

Hmmm, how interesting you should say that... It seems that Axl's 41% has not amounted to much yet.  

I hope that CD will prove to everyone that the 'Roses in Guns N' Roses' "is not a complete idiot".

[madagas]

Random, you missed my point. Izzy was Axl's Indiana connection and I believe Axl was much closer to Izzy than he was to Slash or anyone else in the band. When Izzy left, the other guys just became "business partners" in a sense and maybe, ultimately, Axl and Slash were not close enough to get over musical differences. Thus, we have yet to see an album of original material released under the Guns N' Roses name since Izzy left.  

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Random, you missed my point. Izzy was Axl's Indiana connection and I believe Axl was much closer to Izzy than he was to Slash or anyone else in the band. When Izzy left, the other guys just became "business partners" in a sense and maybe, ultimately, Axl and Slash were not close enough to get over musical differences. Thus, we have yet to see an album of original material released under the Guns N' Roses name since Izzy left.  

I agree with everything you said here.  I think I missed your point because it upsets me when a lot of people dont give Izzy Stradlin enough credit.
It always seemed to me that Izzy stood in Axl's large looming shadow but once Izzy left, things just unraveled.

There is an article in Articles Section (RS I think?) which talks about the Indiana issue in Axl's life.  It mentioned something about Axl trying to fill the "Indiana-sized hole in his life" with Paul Tobias/Huge.

Someone should send Axl a plane ticket to LaFayette, Indiana and help him conquer the demons in his past.  He's been hiding out in his Malibu mansion for too long.

[Mr Cowbell ?]

For me GnR "jumping the shark" would deal a lot with Sympathy for The Devil. When Axl brought in Paul to do Another cover (after 13 TSI covers, 2 UYI covers, and 4 covers off Lies) and he just clashed with.  It seemed at this time GnR was just turning out cover after cover and nothing new and once Paul came along the last remaining members of GnR quit.

[Crowebar]

GNR jumped when Izzy realized axl had lost focus on what was important  - being a band and not having seperate agendas.

My second vote would be when axl decided to shoot these monsterous videos for november rain and estranged. (THis will certainly piss off all the estranged junkies who think it's the "deepest song ever written.")


I mean come on, this is a juvenille deliquent with a record trying to pass himself off as the next elton john.   He should have stuck with pressing the issue as the worlds most dangerous band.

These songs should have been put on a solo album by axl, cus none of the guys wanted to play this type of music.

I think if the original band had done solo albums they would have gotten along allot better. IE - when slash did snakepit, axl should have done something solo.

Finally, Axl Should have stuck with izzy and we'd have more than one original song released in the last 12 years.  Without izzy he's lost.

This is by far, the best hypothesis of what actually, could have possibly gone so wrong, that I've read to date.

I think you just hit the proverbial nail right in the kisser dude.

Izzy wrote, or co-wrote most of GNR's biggest hits.

[Continental Drift]

I'm going to throw out the infamous "photo shoot" on the cover of "Interview" magazine, where Axl is macking out with Stephanie Seymour, but in the meantime he's got tears in his eyes because he just got a call telling him Izzy was leaving.

Although... that's more a "when the band died" moment than a "joke" moment.

[Wooody]

I hate AFD fans. I'm an illusions fan myself.

UYI's owns AFD !!!!!!!!

I agree with the first post, they became a joke when the 2002 tour failed.or maybe when Buckethead left.

[0lorin]

Axls little red hot pants, camp backing singers, high kicks during live and let die, drum solo's, cigarette holders, horn section, axls seat for his piano shaped like a motorbike, helecopters to the gig...

Infact GN'R jumped the shark in 1992 full stop.

But I must point out that they went some way to redeam themselves with the "skin n bones" leg of the tour in 1993, when they ditched almost all of the on stage crap and excess which was making them a laughing stock.

[kaasupoltin]

After The Spaghetti Incident. Yeah. "Once there was this rock n' roll band rollin', on the street. Time went by and it became a joke". That band is some sort of a project these days. A real fucking joke.

[jarmo]

After The Spaghetti Incident. Yeah. "Once there was this rock n' roll band rollin', on the street. Time went by and it became a joke". That band is some sort of a project these days. A real fucking joke.

If you remember 1992-93, you'd remember that at that time GN'R were already a sort of a joke among certain people. Nirvana, and all the other alternative bands, were the cool thing, GN'R were the not so cool thing.

People who like the old band and hate the new seem to glorify the past a lot. The old band wasn't even remotely cool a few years ago. These days you see 16 year olds wearing GN'R t-shirts and AFD getting mentioned in almost every article talking about classic rock albums.




/jarmo