the record label wont let chinese democracy be a classic album for hardcore fans

[D]

everyone knows how shitty todays musical landscape is today i honestly believe axl has delivered a final version of CD to the record label and they have rejected it

why would they u might ask? because its to complex to long to epic for music listeners in this century

for the last 10 years the record labels have chased the fast buck, the very radio friendly poppy songs that dumb music fans can easily digest i.e. britney good charlotte,nsync etc etc etc

can u really picture a kid that listens to that garbage being able to appreciate and understand the complex meanings of estranged? appreciate the musicianship etc

what if axl delivered an awesome finished cd but it was filled with epic *estranged on steroids* type tracks that the record label thought werent radio friendly enough

what if they are expecting axl to not create something new and classic but to just mold into todays trends and have a few hits so they can make money

will the record label allow epics on cds anymore?

i know from watching aerosmith's "the making of pump" that the record label has a shit load of say in what is on a cd, u must have 4 or 5 songs that they think the music public will buy and then u can sorta fuck around and put what u want on there

so what if axl doesnt have 4 to 5 poppy easily digestable radio songs? could this be delaying the cd?

maybe thats why bucket left? maybe where he is so use to his DIY *do it yourself*method that he couldnt take anymore of the record labels shit

if this is the case id rather axl wait 10 more years till the musical landscape maybe changes to release it then to sell out and make some dumb easy digestible pop songs just to please the masses

lets face it, estranged, coma, im not even sure november rain would make it in todays shitty ass trash compactor music scene

[kockstar99]

I sure hope this isnt the case... I mean the record being "Too Good to release"  God I hope they dont think this way....

If this is the case Id like to see him just release it himself on his own label ... Fuck Geffen...

[erose]

i think axl is the one who desides when the record is done and how it is supposed to sound like... thats why it isn't out yet...

even tho todays music scene is polluded with shit like the once you mentioned D, there is still a distinct difference betwen rock n' roll and pure pop...

[speed_stone]

hahahah how can you all believe this bullshit?
the world starves for new guns n' roses material and axl is going to deliver it.
there is a reason why geffen has given him seven years and 13.5 million dollars to do this. cause it's more than worth it.

[Buddha_Master]

Im not sure how this can be related exactly but, this reminds me of Korn and there disagreement with their label over their latest CD.

The label wanted Korn to produce a track that was going to be a radio friendly hit single.

Korn's response was the song titled "Ya'll Want A Single (say fuck that shit)"

It tears into the stupid shit that these suits working at the label are capable of saying.

I actually wouldn't be too surprised if this was true. But if Axl has to go back to change things when Korn decided to basicly tell them to fuck off, then what does that tell you(you know besides the fact that Axl will need another 7 years to make the changes)?

[RnT]

I actually wouldn't be too surprised if this was true. But if Axl has to go back to change things when Korn decided to basicly tell them to fuck off, then what does that tell you(you know besides the fact that Axl will need another 7 years to make the changes)?

... maybe these "changes" started in ?99 ?  

[axlsalinger]

axl is not an idiot. i am sure he can figure out that for the first new GNR record in 13 years, he needs to have a couple of radio-ready "singles" up his sleeve. he is not going to put out an album full of complex 11-minute operas. remember his quote about 17 or 18 songs? A Cd can only be 80 minutes in length, max. Do the math.

come on, people, stop making excuses for this guy. the record is not out because he is unable or unwilling to let it go.

[Rupean]

Right, the only reason why CD isn't out yet is because the record label has rejected it. Poor Axl, he wants so much his record out but they just won't let him, all they want is keep pouring more and more money   Wake up  
You've just  seen with the GH that Axl himself didn't wanted to release it but the label wanted and released it just to get some return so you get an idea how much the label wants to make money in any way they can. The record label wants to release CD and get rid of this finantial nightmare once for all, I'm pretty sure they're sick of investing and getting nothing. I still get surprised, it's always ecerybody's fault but Axl's  

[KeVoRkIaN]

I think this theory is good for some bands, but I doubt it applies to GNR.  I agree that the musical trends are the way you have stated, however it logistically makes sense to give the fans what they crave here. CD is taking long because Axl has most likely not finished it yet.

[D]

i remember months and months back and it is driving me crazy cause i cannot remember exactly where i read it at, but it was on this website where the label wanted axl to change a few things

if the cd was perfect and great we'd have it in my opinion

lets examine the possibility that what we've heard is the best

maddy blues and cd are good but if its the best that is kinda disappointing as none of the three are hardly anything special or groundbreaking great songs dont get me wrong but not 10 years in hiding great

so lets just hope axl is insecure and doesnt want to let it go cause it would suck if he actually didnt have anything but if it goes on a couple more years im gonna concede the fact that he may quite possibly not have any good material

[Doc Emmett Brown]

maddy blues and cd are good but if its the best that is kinda disappointing as none of the three are hardly anything special or groundbreaking great songs dont get me wrong but not 10 years in hiding great

I think Maddy is pretty special, but can any song be "10 yeas in hiding" great?  It's almost setting the album up for failure b/c people could say 'yeah, it's good, but was it worth waiting X years for it?"

I dont know. If I ever do get CD in my hands, I promise myself that I will not ask "Was it worth the wait?"  b/c it's too unfair.

But here's hoping for some 'big guns'.

[MR.BROWNSTONE]

This could be a reson but I don't think it is in this case. If it was I think Axl would sue the record label and get out of the deal. Then he would just find another label and I'm sure that would not be hard to do for him.  

[chineseilusions]

The label wanted Korn to produce a track that was going to be a radio friendly hit single.

Korn's response was the song titled "Ya'll Want A Single (say fuck that shit)"

It tears into the stupid shit that these suits working at the label are capable of saying.

Off topic I love y'all want a single

[TIPSY]

everyone knows how shitty todays musical landscape is today i honestly believe axl has delivered a final version of CD to the record label and they have rejected it

why would they u might ask? because its to complex to long to epic for music listeners in this century

for the last 10 years the record labels have chased the fast buck, the very radio friendly poppy songs that dumb music fans can easily digest i.e. britney good charlotte,nsync etc etc etc

can u really picture a kid that listens to that garbage being able to appreciate and understand the complex meanings of estranged? appreciate the musicianship etc

what if axl delivered an awesome finished cd but it was filled with epic *estranged on steroids* type tracks that the record label thought werent radio friendly enough

what if they are expecting axl to not create something new and classic but to just mold into todays trends and have a few hits so they can make money

will the record label allow epics on cds anymore?

i know from watching aerosmith's "the making of pump" that the record label has a shit load of say in what is on a cd, u must have 4 or 5 songs that they think the music public will buy and then u can sorta fuck around and put what u want on there

so what if axl doesnt have 4 to 5 poppy easily digestable radio songs? could this be delaying the cd?

maybe thats why bucket left? maybe where he is so use to his DIY *do it yourself*method that he couldnt take anymore of the record labels shit

if this is the case id rather axl wait 10 more years till the musical landscape maybe changes to release it then to sell out and make some dumb easy digestible pop songs just to please the masses

lets face it, estranged, coma, im not even sure november rain would make it in todays shitty ass trash compactor music scene

 

You can't honestly believe that shit, can you?

Dude, CD isn't out because CD doesn't exist.  

That is why we haven't heard squat from Axl.  I believe he said something to the effect of "I just don't go around promoting myself unless I have some sort of finished product".

Dude, the hour glass has run out for Axl.  Buckethead left because he was promised the world and didn't get shit.  All the other members are doing solo gigs because there is no CD or GNR at this point in time.

Face the facts D.  GNR are non existant.  Axl isn't perfecting jack shit.  He has no product to perfect.  Yeah, it sucks donkey balls.  But Axl backed himself into a hole.  He can't crawl out of it either and it's a shame.  

[grog mug]

We just need to wait until it actually comes out.  All questions will be answered and Axl will prove to us again that he's still got his musical genious.

[SlashFan]

everyone knows how shitty todays musical landscape is today i honestly believe axl has delivered a final version of CD to the record label and they have rejected it

why would they u might ask? because its to complex to long to epic for music listeners in this century

for the last 10 years the record labels have chased the fast buck, the very radio friendly poppy songs that dumb music fans can easily digest i.e. britney good charlotte,nsync etc etc etc

can u really picture a kid that listens to that garbage being able to appreciate and understand the complex meanings of estranged? appreciate the musicianship etc

what if axl delivered an awesome finished cd but it was filled with epic *estranged on steroids* type tracks that the record label thought werent radio friendly enough

what if they are expecting axl to not create something new and classic but to just mold into todays trends and have a few hits so they can make money

will the record label allow epics on cds anymore?

i know from watching aerosmith's "the making of pump" that the record label has a shit load of say in what is on a cd, u must have 4 or 5 songs that they think the music public will buy and then u can sorta fuck around and put what u want on there

so what if axl doesnt have 4 to 5 poppy easily digestable radio songs? could this be delaying the cd?

maybe thats why bucket left? maybe where he is so use to his DIY *do it yourself*method that he couldnt take anymore of the record labels shit

if this is the case id rather axl wait 10 more years till the musical landscape maybe changes to release it then to sell out and make some dumb easy digestible pop songs just to please the masses

lets face it, estranged, coma, im not even sure november rain would make it in todays shitty ass trash compactor music scene

First of all,I wouldn't buy CD if it had more than one song that was like Estranged.I'm not even sure if any of the band member other than Axl are signed to the record company.

[matt88]

everyone knows how shitty todays musical landscape is today i honestly believe axl has delivered a final version of CD to the record label and they have rejected it

why would they u might ask? because its to complex to long to epic for music listeners in this century

for the last 10 years the record labels have chased the fast buck, the very radio friendly poppy songs that dumb music fans can easily digest i.e. britney good charlotte,nsync etc etc etc

can u really picture a kid that listens to that garbage being able to appreciate and understand the complex meanings of estranged? appreciate the musicianship etc

what if axl delivered an awesome finished cd but it was filled with epic *estranged on steroids* type tracks that the record label thought werent radio friendly enough

what if they are expecting axl to not create something new and classic but to just mold into todays trends and have a few hits so they can make money

will the record label allow epics on cds anymore?

i know from watching aerosmith's "the making of pump" that the record label has a shit load of say in what is on a cd, u must have 4 or 5 songs that they think the music public will buy and then u can sorta fuck around and put what u want on there

so what if axl doesnt have 4 to 5 poppy easily digestable radio songs? could this be delaying the cd?

maybe thats why bucket left? maybe where he is so use to his DIY *do it yourself*method that he couldnt take anymore of the record labels shit

if this is the case id rather axl wait 10 more years till the musical landscape maybe changes to release it then to sell out and make some dumb easy digestible pop songs just to please the masses

lets face it, estranged, coma, im not even sure november rain would make it in todays shitty ass trash compactor music scene

Thats an interesting opnion, but i say fuck today's music landscape and let AXL release it for the GN'R fans....there are plenty of them still here and have waited patiently for up to 10-11 years......fuck geffen or whoever releases GN'R's music

[John Daniels]

"There's been some concern. That if we play five or six new songs, then there can't that many more on the album. Au contraire, mon fr?re. We're just playing the songs we're not considering putting out as singles or anything. So, you'll get 18 songs, and about 10 extra tracks. And when that, when the record company feels that has run its course, then you'll get it all over again. By that time, I should be done with the third album. So we'll see if all goes well boys and girls"
- Axl -


what does this quote means? Does it mean that the record company has had the Dhinese Democracy for a long time and not until now they're planning to release it, now that GH album is out and RIR4 festival is coming??

[noonespecial]

"so what if axl doesnt have 4 to 5 poppy easily digestable radio songs? could this be delaying the cd?

What do you call the 5 songs that we already heard
The Blues
Chinese Democracy
Madagascar, etc

That stuff is baby food, easily digestable...won't deny your thoughts on how much influence a record company has on the artist and the type of songs they want on an album...I remember that Making of Pump and Joe Perry saying that the songs they write are like "their children" and the freaking record dude comes and basically "kills your kids"...