Remaining open to "Discussions"

[Eazy E]

We greatly appreciate Bucket's contributions and remain open to "discussions" as there are obviously several issues to resolve.

What do you think is meant by this?  Would Axl consider bringing Buckethead back into the band?  Or is Axl just talking about how to handle the material Buckethead recorded with the band?

Personally I think that is a bad move if what Axl said is true about him only using Guns as a way to promote his solo efforts (plus his flakiness with regards to whether or not he was in the band during 2003).

[Izzy]

I think he's referring to Bhead returning, i get the impression Axl would take him back if Bhead behaved himself.

[echrisl]

I think it means that either Axl will be waiting for Buckethead to come back or that there will be legal troubles between the two.

Which basically translates to no work being done on album for months and maybe even years.

[younggunner]

If bucket wants back axl would take him back in but it would be under his terms. As axl said he was more than nice to bucket and allowed him to do whatver he wanted.

If Axl wants bucket back they should release the album and if it becomes a smash hit bucket would prob come back and then they can continue with the tours and the original plans

[Eazy E]

I just can't see there being discussions about Bucket returning after Axl publicly blames him for RIR4 and comments about his erratic behaviour.  Whether that's true or not, if you were Bucket, you probably wouldn't be listening to Axl's "discussions" about returning after this.  

[noonespecial]

I think BH should keep walking...yeah Axl was such a nice guy to his new band, not showing up on the first gig (not a big deal, it was only HIS supposed comeback), not showing up on a sold out gig, putting up with all the shit from the "I can't get over Slash not being in the band GNR" fans (yeah, you can hear 'em on the bootlegs)....but I see how it is now, Axl is the only one who can shit all over everyone...and for what? Some ill thought out, ill planned and ill executed nostagia tour?
Izzy was soooo right when he call Axl a trailer trash, hayseed mother...
Karmic payback is a bitch ain't it braid head

[Jessica]

Should buckethead be someone you cannot count on, i think it would be a terrible mistake to bring him back in.

Bad karma. You don't bring someone in if that person is a yoyo. At this stage in his life, axl would be better off with stable people.

My opinion.

[younggunner]

I just can't see there being discussions about Bucket returning after Axl publicly blames him for RIR4 and comments about his erratic behaviour.  Whether that's true or not, if you were Bucket, you probably wouldn't be listening to Axl's "discussions" about returning after this.  

Axl didnt insult buckethead in any way in the press release. All he said was that due to buckets departure they wont be doing rio. WHy do rio when your lead guitarist leaves?

The comments about his behavior are describing buckets actions. Its not an insult. ALl he said was being that buckethead is "out there" and wasnt concrete on his intention sin gnr it made it difficult to plan things for the band.

Your right though. Who know sif thats true. It will be interesting to see if bucket responds. WHat makes it credible though is that axl mentions brain and his involvement. Bucket will prob come back with the "nothing ever gets done" stuff. Maybe thats true and Axl would have to look himself in the mirror with that 1. WHo knows.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Bad karma. You don't bring someone in if that person is a yoyo. At this stage in his life, axl would be better off with stable people.

But are the 'stable' people better off with Axl the yoyo?

If this discussion thing proceeds, it tells me that Axl needs BH because BH had a large contribution to the record.  Otherwise, he could just carry on with 2 guitarists.  I think that's why Axl is open to discussion.

[Jessica]

Bad karma. You don't bring someone in if that person is a yoyo. At this stage in his life, axl would be better off with stable people.

But are the 'stable' people better off with Axl the yoyo?

If this discussion thing proceeds, it tells me that Axl needs BH because BH had a large contribution to the record.  Otherwise, he could just carry on with 2 guitarists.  I think that's why Axl is open to discussion.

It's been 10 years out of the spotlight. he may well be a lot more stable. I don't think that people like Fortus would have played with him otherwise. He has enough credibility as a musician to " not" need Guns N Roses . If the guys stick around with him, there has to be a reason, a good solid valid reason.

And it's probably the reason we don't know about, but i am pretty sure the future will tell us why.

[killingvector]

There is a possibility of reconciliation but it looks grim. But it is readily apparent that this statement was a reaction to the Buckethead statement on MTV.


The open to discussions part sounds like the resolution of buckethead's contract and his parts on CD. Perhaps these open issues need to be worked out for a parting.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

If the guys stick around with him, there has to be a reason, a good solid valid reason.

And it's probably the reason we don't know about, but i am pretty sure the future will tell us why.

Jessica, I hope (I truly hope for everyone's sake), that the guys are sticking with him because they care about the band, and NOT about the money.  

I hope the good, solid, valid reason isnt cold, hard cash.

[Ali]

Here's something to consider:  When Robin Finck left in August of '99, how many people here thought he would be back?  I certainly didn't.  Axl called his departure "abrupt" and as we all know, reportedly had at least some of his parts on the new material deleted.

I agree that it's grim, but maybe not impossible.

Ali

[Continental Drift]

I wouldn't put much faith in these "negotiations". Let's call a spade a spade, Axl basically insulted Buckethead's musical integrity (about as great an accusation one musician can make about another) with all this discussion of BH riding GN'R to a record deal and then jumping ship, etc. Buckethead is one weird fvck, but he is reputedly a VERY sincere musician and I don't see him taking this lightly and merely shrugging his shoulders and re-joining the band.

I love Buckethead as an artist, but maybe it's time to cut ties. For whatever reason things have not gone well since his involvement in the band. Do we even know what the hell happened when they canceled the '01 European Tour? Supposedly BH was sick. "Sick" can mean many things. He and Finck never seemed to get along, etc..

I say book Brian May on the next flight to LA. He can handle Buckethead's parts and having spent all that time working with Freddy Mercury, May can be a nice stabilizing/father figure to Axl and help him finally get to the finish line on this goddamn project.

[Jessica]

If the guys stick around with him, there has to be a reason, a good solid valid reason.

And it's probably the reason we don't know about, but i am pretty sure the future will tell us why.

Jessica, I hope (I truly hope for everyone's sake), that the guys are sticking with him because they care about the band, and NOT about the money.  

I hope the good, solid, valid reason isnt cold, hard cash.

I won't be a hypocrit random, there is probably a part of passion for what they do and a part for money.
Rare are the artists who work for free

But take Fortus, he can get many contracts touring for Enrique or someone else. I don't think his motive would be money. I don't think Dizzy's motive would be money either. Robin Finck seems like a good guy, too. i have no idea for the others.

 

[Eazy E]

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But take Fortus, he can get many contracts touring for Enrique or someone else. I don't think his motive would be money.

Didn't Fortus say he never listened to GN'R before Axl made the offer to join??

He probably saw those 6 figures and said "Shit yeah, Guns N' Roses has been my favourite band since I was a iddy biddy kiddy suckin liquer out of my mother's titty!"

Anyways... How long did it take Robin to re-join, a couple of years?  Man, I can't believe how long it's taken to hear this damn album.