The real reason why Snakepit cancelled the tour

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Now we found out Slash didn't tell the whole truth about the cancellation and most people don't seem to care. Why is that? Is it more fascinating to bitch about what Axl said in 2001 and how it didn't happen?  

er.. you make it sound like Slash told a dirty lie.  Bad Slash!!  At least he gave an explanation both times (health problems - nothing shocking), and didnt rant about someone in his band.

Look, after reading your Slash posts, I ask you: why are you using this roundabout way of talking about the cancelled Snakepit tour, when in fact you just want to say that Axl isnt bad as everyone makes him out be, so let's point fingers at Slash?  Is this what you really want to say?

And your older posts about interesting it is that Slash is ok with ProTools blah blah - you really want to say that Axl was right about Slash in '95, but now Slash has changed his mind about modernizing, and so we should cheer because Axl was finally right about something.  Is this what you really want to say?

So just come out and say it!  

Then we can argue about whether you're right or not.  There's no need to hide behind the ProTools and Snakepit tour!  

[the dirt]

Here's a question to all your hardcore Slash fans. How do you feel about the fact that they didn't tell the whole truth about the cancellation in 2001?

Reminds me of how Motley Crue said they couldn't tour because there were snow on the roofs of the arenas in Europe when in fact Nikki had some drug problems....

I'm expecting to get a few Axl mentions in this thread now.....  


/jarmo

I remember something like that regarding the Crue, but are you sure snow on the roof of arenas was their excuse?

I mean, what effect would that have on playing the show inside?

[jarmo]

Axl isn't as bad as everybody makes him out to be? I don't know how bad he is or isn't since I don't know the guy. I do think that he gets a lot of shit for a lot of things. Sometimes he might deserve it and other times he might not. The way I see it, is that the guy can never win. Whatever he does is wrong according to certain people.

Everybody seems to lie or not tell the whole story. Just remember that the next time you (not talking about anybody in particular) whine about Axl.


I don't care if Axl was right or not. All I've been trying to say, and some people might have understood it too, is that it seems like Slash is interested in trying new things these days. Some of you get really defensive when I point out that your hero has changed. Like it's something bad....


Regarding giving explanations for cancellations, Vancouver 2002 and Lisbon 2004. We got the explanations for both, but they weren't good enough for some people. I find that kind of behaviour interesting..... To me it seems like certain fans of the ex-Gunners think they're better than Axl/new-GN'R fans, when in fact everybody's the same.  


Edit: I just remembered something. That "Slash is a liar" thing from one of Axl's press release. Don't you find the comment interesting? Axl called Slash a liar, people called him an asshole for that and well, Slash has lied..... So he got attacked for telling his side of the story because people didn't like it. One side is saying Axl is a dictator and Axl's saying Slash is a lazy liar..... The truth is in there somewhere.



/jarmo

[jarmo]

I remember something like that regarding the Crue, but are you sure snow on the roof of arenas was their excuse?

I mean, what effect would that have on playing the show inside?

The roof wouldn't be able to support the stage set up..... Lightning and all that stuff.  



/jarmo

[Booker Floyd]

I do think that he gets a lot of shit for a lot of things.

Most of it deserved.

I don't care if Axl was right or not. All I've been trying to say, and some people might have understood it too, is that it seems like Slash is interested in trying new things these days. Some of you get really defensive when I point out that your hero has changed. Like it's something bad....

Any defensiveness is more a reaction to your subtle/not-so-subtle implications that Slash is hypocritical or contradicting himself.  Its rarely ever as innocent as you make it sound.  Not to mention that, at least when it comes to the "changing" thing, youre reaching for something thats just not really there.

Everybody seems to lie or not tell the whole story. Just remember that the next time you (not talking about anybody in particular) whine about Axl.

Regarding giving explanations for cancellations, Vancouver 2002 and Lisbon 2004. We got the explanations for both, but they weren't good enough for some people. I find that kind of behaviour interesting..... To me it seems like certain fans of the ex-Gunners think they're better than Axl/new-GN'R fans, when in fact everybody's the same.  

Being hospitalized: Not equal to missing a show and subsequently causing a riot because youre in the air.  He should have been there, even if it meant being there hours earlier.  But I, at least, gave him the benefit of the doubt.  

And of course theres Philly, for which he did not even attempt to explain.  If he was hospitalized, or if there was a great excuse for why he failed to show up, then it would do less harm to offer it to all of the fans that were screwed over rather than disappearing.  

Lisboa is a similar deal.  Hes going to miss a show thats two months away because one of his three guitarists left?  Maybe Im being too hard, but I dont get it.  Two months seems like a decent amount of time to prepare for one concert.  But I do appreciate that he personally broke the news...I think it was a good move.  If VR had three guitarists, and one quit two months before a promised show, I would give them the same criticism.  But the thing is, VR (and Slash, who you seem to single out) simply dont pull the same shit as Axl.  Their situations are

[Dizzy]

I just remembered something. That "Slash is a liar" thing from one of Axl's press release. Don't you find the comment interesting? Axl called Slash a liar, people called him an asshole for that and well, Slash has lied.....

That isn't what Axl said.  He didn't merely say "Slash is a liar".  He said this....

Slash has lied about anything and everything to anyone and everyone.  That's who he is.  That's what he does.

Saying "Slash is a liar" implies he lied about some things.  But Axl basically said Slash lies everytime he opens his mouth.  That's a bit more severe and extreme than merely saying "Slash is a liar".

And as Booker pointed out, Slash didn't necessarily lie about the cancellation.  He just didn't mention that it wasn't just the flu that led to pneumonia.

And now he's come completely clean about it, he just wasn't ready at the time to do so.

[jarmo]

Any defensiveness is more a reaction to your subtle/not-so-subtle implications that Slash is hypocritical or contradicting himself.  Its rarely ever as innocent as you make it sound.  Not to mention that, at least when it comes to the "changing" thing, youre reaching for something thats just not really there.

I'm really glad you know so much about me.  

Are you really serious about saying Slash hasnt changed?

The guy even got rid of his snakes! Would the old Slash do that? He's got a family now, he's not the 25 year old you seem to think he is anymore.

But the thing is, VR (and Slash, who you seem to single out) simply dont pull the same shit as Axl.  Their situations are

We'll see what happens when things don't run smoothly in the VR camp. We all know most bands cancels shows. Let's see if there's gonna be riots and posters named "WeilandSucks" or "Slash=Asshole" on the boards.....

And as Booker pointed out, Slash didn't necessarily lie about the cancellation.  He just didn't mention that it wasn't just the flu that led to pneumonia.

Well, he certainly didn't tell the whole story.


Remember this thread?  


/jarmo

[Top-Hatted One]

"We'll see what happens when things don't run smoothly in the VR camp. We all know most bands cancels shows. Let's see if there's gonna be riots and posters named "WeilandSucks" or "Slash=Asshole" on the boards....."

Well as a diehard fan I can certainly say that, that is the last thing on my mind.

[Rupean]

The Snakepit tour was canceled because Slash was hospitalized. Who cares if it was because he had a flu or his heart was failling? That's his own business, he didn't had to come out and write a book about his hospitalization. Axl seems to have done tons of plastic surgerys and never talked about them...why do you think he didn't  show up from 95 - 2000 or something?
In the end, they're all liars, we've got everyone blaming Axl for everything (the latest is Buckethead!  ) but it's never Axl's fault. Blame Slash, he's the liar! The guy wanted to keep some privacy on his private life when he was sick, can you believe that?

At least we'll have an VR album soon so we don't have to keep bashing about every member who turned his backs on Axl. Than we'll focous our attention on bashing the album, how it sucks and how it's just not magic because Axl's not there,...

[jarmo]

The Snakepit tour was canceled because Slash was hospitalized. Who cares if it was because he had a flu or his heart was failling? That's his own business, he didn't had to come out and write a book about his hospitalization. Axl seems to have done tons of plastic surgerys and never talked about them...why do you think he didn't  show up from 95 - 2000 or something?
In the end, they're all liars, we've got everyone blaming Axl for everything (the latest is Buckethead!  ) but it's never Axl's fault. Blame Slash, he's the liar! The guy wanted to keep some privacy on his private life when he was sick, can you believe that?

At least we'll have an VR album soon so we don't have to keep bashing about every member who turned his backs on Axl. Than we'll focous our attention on bashing the album, how it sucks and how it's just not magic because Axl's not there,...

Exactly what I was expecting....

You just don't seem to read what I say, instead you do the same old "Axl's great, let's blame Slash" thing. Which I guess you find funny....

They all tell us their side of the story, the information that will make them look good etc. Sometimes it's the truth and sometimes it's not even that close to the truth.

But it's not the case of only one guy lying as we've seen over the years.



Here's another question for you. If it took Slash this long to admit it wasn't just the flu, how long will it take for him to admit he might have a drinking problem?



/jarmo

[Sukie]

Well, if I were Slash and drinking had caused major health problems for me, I'd quit drinking.   He still drinks JD...  I'd at least cut back to beer or something.  Sounds like he may have problems with an alcohol addiction to me.  

[Doc Emmett Brown]

I find that kind of behaviour interesting..... To me it seems like certain fans of the ex-Gunners think they're better than Axl/new-GN'R fans, when in fact everybody's the same.  

Slash is not my "hero".  I dont expect perfection of him, nor do I think of VR as the 'second coming'.  But you know what?  There are many newGNR fans who feel that way about Axl!  Does that make me better than them?  No.   But, instead I'll be called a hater b/c I dont use a crystal ball.   Witch hunt!  

One side is saying Axl is a dictator and Axl's saying Slash is a lazy liar..... The truth is in there somewhere.

So this is really what you want to say, right?  That it's not so one-sided as people like to think?   Perhaps you're correct, but  Axl himself said that he's in control ("You're damn skippy"...)

[jarmo]

So this is really what you want to say, right?  That it's not so one-sided as people like to think?   Perhaps you're correct, but  Axl himself said that he's in control ("You're damn skippy"...)

Sure, he's in control but don't you think Slash wanted to be in control too?

He lost the battle and left, which probably saved his life.


/jarmo

[gypsy eyes]

I just remembered something. That "Slash is a liar" thing from one of Axl's press release. Don't you find the comment interesting? Axl called Slash a liar, people called him an asshole for that and well, Slash has lied.....

That isn't what Axl said.  He didn't merely say "Slash is a liar".  He said this....

Slash has lied about anything and everything to anyone and everyone.  That's who he is.  That's what he does.

Saying "Slash is a liar" implies he lied about some things.  But Axl basically said Slash lies everytime he opens his mouth.  That's a bit more severe and extreme than merely saying "Slash is a liar".

that's what I wanted to say too from the moment I read that...

But I still think Slash lied too about the cancelation, maybe not the same and he had his reasons but basically it's just a lie, like so many are being told! Wetter he cancelled because he was in hospital for his heart or cause he simply didn't feel like going on doesn't matter here. Well, of course it matters and to dissapoint so many fans cause you wanna sit and watch the game is not exactly what I call a role model but I'm not here to bash Axl, nor am I here to bash Slash, I like both, one more than the other but that's just my opinion.

Fact is that Slash lied, you can't deny that. What is this whole thread about anyway? Did Slash lie? YES! Did Axl lie? YES! Did they have a "good" reason for lieing? Depends on what you call a good reason... I think cancelling shows the way Axl sometimes does is shit. But I also think that Slash shouldn't have lied about why his tour was cancelled. He said he was in hospital but not why. So he lied. Ok. Does he always have to tell everyone his personal problems? Would you in his situation? He told the thruth now. Does that change the fact that he lied then? NO! Was it wrong of him to lie then? Some will say yes, others no, that's just a matter of opinion and we can keep going on about that.
But you can't compare this to what Axl said at any point. It simply isn't the same.
And when Axl said Slash was a liar he wasn't necesseraly right, Slash may have lied about some things but so did Axl and Axl said Slash ALWAYS lies about EVERYTHING. That's a completely different thing!